He Helped Define “Antisemitism”; Now He Says the Term Is Being Weaponized | Amanpour and Company
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- The crisis across America’s campuses is causing some controversy over the current definition of antisemitism, as written by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. It’s a definition which has been adopted by countries across the globe. Author Kenneth Stern led the drafting of that document, and he joins the show with a warning that it’s being used to stifle free speech.
Originally aired on May 1, 2024
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Netanyahu is offended by everything and ashamed of nothing
Reminds me of another former world leader…
maybe u wanna point fingers at ur friends in hamas
Cute! Did you make that up?
Puckett!? Haha.
Netanyahu offends me. He declares a war and his own two adult sons are not fighting in his war but are protected and living in luxury.
They say his son Yair is living it up in Miami.
So Netanyahu doesn't want anyone living in Israel but Jews yet it's alright for Jews to live in other countries. Make it make sense.
He and others are prejudiced but don't want push back and they will always call you a anti-semite.
This is outrageous.
No group should be allowed to have privileges above others.
Not for thee, but all for ME.
REALLY? NONSENSE
True. We should coin a term for "cooking up a nonsense word to promote and propagandize the exceptionalism of one group at the expense of everyone else".
Tell that to the self acclaimed "chosen ones" who have taken land because GOD gave them eternal right to that land.
When people criticize Saudi Arabia's or Iran's government not once have i heard it called islamophobic. I refuse to respect this double standard
funny, because one is an ally of the USA and the other isn't. Why is Saudi Arabia or UAE considered ok and acceptable?
Why didn't they just pass a racism law? Why is it a Jewish racism only law??
Jews believe they're sooooooo special 😂
@@alejandramoreno6625 you make no sense hasbara bot
@@Wise__guy😂😂😂
Western hypocrisy. !!!
Criticism of Israel should not be conflated with antisemitism. Other groups like the Irish and Italians have faced discrimination and bigotry in the USA in the past. If someone criticizes the government of Ireland, that does not make them bigoted against Irish people. Criticism of the Italian government likewise does not make someone anti-Italian.
Disclosure: my ancestors came to the USA from Ireland during the potato famine in the 1800s.
Yep, no one thinks anything of criticizing Central American countries. Muslim countries, or African nations that participate in immoral acts against their citizens and others. Almost like it’s racism 🤔
When the term is not used to protect human rights, but for political interests, tactics or strategy it erodes its significance and can be damaging to the very people it is supposed to protect.
I listened attentively until he said "I am a Zionist". Same would have happened if he had said "I am a KKK member." Enough.
I know, that's where he lost me!
There’s Zionism and there’s Zionism. Believing Israel should exist, in any way shape or form (say the pre-1967 borders?) makes one a Zionist.
that's interesting to say the least, he says that but he's also the one that created a term that made it so that people can't criticize any of it? It doesn't appear that any other group of people gets that kind of privilege.
Educate yourself, read a definition of Zionism
@AA-iy4gm They are imposters. They emigrated to Palestine/ISRAEL in the 1940's from Eastern European countries. They had no ties or affiliation to the LAND. Their roots were in Europe.
They just left Europe and claimed the land of Palestine/Israel for themselves.
No one knows who these people were. They had no family members living in Palestine/Israel before they emigrated there.
Canaanan land was given to The ANCIENT ISRAELITES and they lived there until they became disobedient to the Laws and Commandments of God. They worshipped pagan Gods and put their own children through the fire to Molech pagan God.
God punished the ANCIENT ISRAELITES according to Deuteronomy 28 the Blessings and the Curses.
He punished them and scattered them to the uttermost parts of the Earth. God himself punished them. The Curses of God fell on them.
God said that he would return his people whom he scattered. These people who emigrated to Israel went their on their own on a Zionist political nationalist movement and ideology.
When God returns his people they will return to ISRAEL worshipping God and being spiritual not secular. God is nowhere in ZIONISM. The men who promoted it were ATHEIST.
Am I antisemitic because I refuse to be a silent witness to the slaughter of 13,000 children in Gaza? Am I anti-Muslim because I oppose the gassing of civilians by the Assad regime? Was I anti-Christian because I demonstrated against the US war in Vietnam, while at university? Israel, Syria, the US are countries, not religions.
If you blame American college Jews for what Israel has done then yes you are antisemitic
You're an Antisemite if you're a typical Columbia U student, who DIDN'T protest week after week against the brutality of Putin, Assad or China, but were really keen on breaking windows for the (indeed horrible) violence committed by one nation in the world.
Bingo...well said!!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I would recommend you validate your opinion about allegations of Assad regime gassing civilians. The Grayzone investigative journalist Ben Norton interviews Ian Henderson, OPCW's investigation team leader in Douma, the site of an alleged chemical attack. You may find the interview enlightening.
Semites are Semitic people in the Middle East and North Africa. Semites is not synonymous to Jews. Criticizing Israeli’s atrocities is not being antisemitic. It’s being righteous.
Terms evolve. We know it's come to mean Jews. Progressives change terms like the weather changes. This is a longtime evolution of a term
The term anti-Semitism was coined in Europe and means anti-Jewish, not against all Semites. Your comment is anti-Semitic, not righteous.
Antisemitic is a bullshit term no one care about what's happening in ww2, we care about what's happening to the pelstinian in Gaza we care about the controlling of entire political system and use it to create mess and destroy nations, guess what you will pay the price again and again and again as you did for last thousand years ago
I too think the term is a misnomer. Honestly it's a garbage term that shouldn't have been coined in the first place. Most misused nonsensical term in the English language.
@@tyrellcobb4665 terms evolve. What should and shouldn't have happened is irrelevant. Words are for communication not to be bogged down by hyper analysis.
How is my high school child having to learn about the Holocaust for 3 months in public school, read Night and watch Life is Beautiful, yet hear absolutely nothing of Palestine or the Middle East NOT an exaggeration??
I think that is changing.
@@pvilla24
It was literally just this Spring. When is it changing?
Can you get a copy of "War Is A Racket" by Smedley Butler, then have your child take it to school?..It's a short simple read.(1hr 20min. on RUclips vids). From 1935. Not sure if paper copies are available..Certainly, the money laundering racket that war typically is, has not changed any in over 100 years. "Turning blood into gold" book quote by US Marine Major General, Smedley Butler
@@borisblvd5354
Yes, that’s a good idea.
I took in a young adult novel about the Nakba. They wrote the name down. 😶
For the same reason they don't teach Native American history in public schools
I for one think he’s being a little disingenuous. I for one will continue to throw around terms like “genocide“ I know what I see with my own eyes and no Israel does not have a right to unalive people in the way that they do.
So, why is it that the Israeli govt insists that it is not an ethno-state, and yet holds that every criticism of it is antisemitic?
In AIPAC we trust.
Victimhood taken too far, for too long.
Not only that, but the audacity of calling themselves democracy 😢
Honestly, democracy became a scary frightening word to millions of people around the world, everyone is scared of 2000 pound democracy falling on their head.
@d4mdcykey
It absolutely is too much especially when they themselves oppress and hate a people themselves.
I don't feel people go around saying we hate Jews. They don't like some of their behaviors they have and things they do.
Then when you call them out, they call you a ANTI-SEMITE.
That's a weapon. Many times it's not true but if they call you that they try to label you and associate you with the Holocaust.
The American taxpayer's money is being sent to Israel in the amount of
$ 3.8 billions of dollars each year and for what? Then recently billions more was sent to Israel.
America won't spend billions of our taxpayer's dollars on us. They keep saying we have to cut food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security because we don't have the money yet magically they come up with BILLIONS OF DOLLARS for Ukraine and Israel and Taiwan.
That billions of dollars should be going towards Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare and Education.
Yet, Americans are funding a state in the Middle East who wouldn't even let us live in one of those illegal settlements that our taxpayer's dollars subsidize unwillingly.
Their only concern is themselves and that is selfish behavior.
I ask AMERICA, are we going to give Israel
Billions of dollars FOREVER?
Is our Government going to say for each year that America has to fund Israel because they are a Democratic state? That is not
AMERICA'S responsibility at all. They wanted Israel, so they musts take care of themselves.
America must stop putting Israel before AMERICA and the A PEOPLE.
NOW, the Congress is pushing a Bill to impede our First Amendment rights to
FREE SPEECH.
Americans are losing their rights to accommodate a specific people who claim all ties to another country Israel.
There is no allegience to the United States of America.
We must push back and not become second class citizens in our own land.
We cannot be made prisoners in our own land and be dictated to and used for our
BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS.
"Jew is not an ethnicity. It's a religion"
And also "You're all antisemitic because you hate us for our ethnicity"
Anti-zionism is NOT anti-semitism, end of conversation!!
It's not that simple, not all antizionists are antisemites but all (or most) antisemities are antizionists.
💯 agree
But now this bill defines anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism, which is really sad.
@@user-op7by3pi4b they are all enslaving by Zionists.
@@JenniferSmolka oh really? So you will keep attacking children, women, innocents with an excuse that you are above all human beings. Ridiculous thought.
Why is it ok for Netanyahu to say that phrase!!?? It is NOT ANTISEMITIC to criticize the barbaric actions of human rights atrocities of the Israeli GOVERNMENT!!!
Better be careful. If you keep telling the truth like this, RUclips will start deleting your comments.
@@JenniferSmolkano the 40000 peopke massacred in Gaza
As opposed to the farcical propaganda you spew..
@@JenniferSmolka did you ever think for a second that they are BOTH ABHORRENT AND WRONG!!???
@@Jouantiese you certainly mean the hasbara you spew everytime younopen your mouth
I am disturbed but not surprised that powers in America such as university presidents treat Palestinians and pro-Palestinian demonstrators as implicitly wrong and violent - such are Jewish and Israeli political forces in the US that they can dictate positions. And I'm a Vietnam Era veteran, so I know what political protest (and suppression) look like.
I expect PBS coverage to be more even-handed. I may have missed episodes that discuss the lack of a term that equates to antisemitism or Islamophobia, but for the Palestinian people that were run off their land and virtually imprisoned en masse in their own homeland.
Thanks to Israeli politicians setting the agenda both there and in the US, there is no discussion of what makes targeted killings and mass murders by IDF defensive military operations, but similar acts by Hamas are terrorism not only by Hamas, but conflated with the entire Palestinian people.
Likewise, the "river to the sea" rhetoric is apparently a problem for pro-Palestinians, but perfectly fine for right-wing extremists in the Knesset who have long intended to run all Palestinians out of the country that was theirs, into the sea if possible. Netanyahu made it clear years ago that he will never accept a two state solution, and he's moved even farther right to salvage his career. He's withheld food, water and electricity from Gaza to literally starve its people, a war crime. Its young children are half the normal body weight, leaving them with a lifelong disability (which doesn't seem to be a problem to the American Sanctity of Life crowd). IDF is killing members of the press in cold blood and suppressing coverage by not allowing access.
I look to PBS to investigate issues being ignored by the mainstream press, not to be an echo chamber about abused topics such as antisemitism.
Excellent points!
Netanyahu, a man who sees war crimes as self defense.
Well, he knows he's not doing self-defense. He KNOWS he's intentionally trying to erase an entire ethnic group and destroy their culture.
Well, he knows he's not doing self-defense. He KNOWS he's intentionally trying to erase an entire ethnic group and destroy their culture.
Genocide is not more palatable when seasoned with the intellectual contortions displayed here. Ignore the rage of our students at your peril.
Israeli Govt should be brought up on charges for their Anti semitism against the Palestinian people
Yes! Palestinians are Semites too!
I couldn’t agree more!
Palestinians praise Hitler especially in Gaza. they even name some of their kids after him.
THANK YOU! Arabs are Semitic People! Eastern Europeans are NOT.
There's antisemitism and there's anti-Israeli government policy based on whatever it may be specifically at a given time. The two are often conflated and confused. Back in the 1960s, the yahoos conflated dissent with disloyalty and they were 100% wrong.
Why do you think that Anti israel though can’t be antisemitism? When you are screaming we are Ham’Ass thats not criticizing Israeli policy .
Same with communism back in the day during McCarthyism. Communism= Russian pawn. That was largely not true, but played on everyone’s fears and ruined the lives of those targeted for little more than being isolationists or so called “subversive” individuals. I fundamentally disagree with communism simply because it’s impossible to be done without being repressive, but I respect that people believe differently from me. just as I respect people who denounce the actions of the israeli government despite my belief in Israel’s existence, because I agree that the violence must end immediately.
Fundamentally, there’s a lack of understanding of what Zionism truly means, which is simply the existence of a Jewish state. It doesn’t mean a Jewish state at the expense of Palestinians, or that the West Bank is fair game to Israeli settlers, or that Palestinians are inherently the enemy of Israelis. people who consider themselves anti-Zionist by definition are anti the existence of Israel. Which for that to be a reality, means expelling or killing 10 million people, including roughly 8 million Jews and 2 million Arab Israelis. I think that is why some consider anti Zionism to be antisemitism (which I don’t necessarily agree with). Everything I just listed is why a two state solution is simply the only way forward. Israelis need security guarantees against terrorist attacks, and Palestinians need freedom of movement, economic opportunity, and for Israel to leave decision making to an Arab coalition until a proper Palestinian government forms.
Sounds like the problem is ,as always, you shitty right wingers?
..... maybe if you weren't such shitty bad people, the world wouldn't be so shitty and bad?
And don't even act like your not P.O.S trump supporters because I can smell them from a mile away
I will keep reiterating, you can not be antisemitic against people who aren't even semitic. 🙄
Not really sure what that's supposed to mean given that there has been a long history of Jewish presence in Israel and many were at one time pushed out and thus have relatives today who descended from those who were exiled. Yes the current usage of antisemitism is too vague but that doesn't mean that Jews aren't semitic.
Non of Jews in present day Israel has any relatives with biblical Hebrews and jews@@svscared
@@svscared I'll make it more clear, and it's what most people already understand, Ashkenazi Jews, the people who control the state of Israel, are white European gentiles whose families converted to judaism long ago and are not semitic people. They are hijacking Judaism to justify their claims of being God's chosen people while committing atrocities around the world. They refuse to get dna tests and have banned them in israel so people don't learn the truth that they do not descend from Abraham. But the world already knows it and is not tolerating it anymore.
@@svscared”it doesn’t mean that Jews aren’t Semitic”….. yes , that’s exactly what it does mean. An overwhelming number of Israelis are “.Ashkenazi” Jews.But what does that mean? It means they are genetically Europeans whose ancestors converted to Judaism in Europe during the last days of the Roman Empire in the same way that other Europeans were converting to Christianity. Jews were persecuted for their religion….not their “race”. The real “Semites” in this tragic story are the Palestinians. They are what the “Israelis” are pretending to be.
However one defines it; You certainly can’t be antisemitic for saying one group of people (who may/may not by one’s definition be semites) shouldn’t be violently driving another group of semites out of what’s their homeland too.
His logic about insulting Israel being 'anti-semetic' doesn't make sense... comparing it to MLK? 🤔
The thing is, all of this will breed atisemtism
The moment this definition starting including criticism of Israel it lost all credibility. I refuse this scandalous definition entirely
Greetings from Ireland .. BDS apartheid Israel .. Free Palestine!
@JenniferSmolka good luck with that .. your economy is wrecked !
That is nice. He created the problem by the definition of antisemitism which in the context basically says you can not criticized Israel and now he is saying oops.
My fellowI Americans. Even if you disagree with the anti-war protests. If you care about your first amendment rights to free speech, our government efforts to ban criticism of Israel should terrify you. If we cannot criticize a foreign government, the government can go after any speech they don't like.
You can freely criticise the Government in Israel, saying Israel shouldn't exist is anti-semitism.
@@contact594 literally no one is saying Israel cannot exist in these protests. This would ban any criticism of Israel.
@@johnd.2778 My lying eyes and ears eh?
@@contact594 a counter protester holding an Israeli flag said it to try to get some anti-war protesters arrested. Use your brain. There is video proving it.
@@johnd.2778 KTLA 5 news from 2 days ago, 3 mins in, the girl in the red kaffiyah will correct you.
It used to be that Semitic/Antisemitic was more inclusive that it is today. The very notion has been hijacked and it has lost the original meaning.
Antisemitism was always about Jews never about Arabs. Mainly because Arabs where lords of Jews and Jews were the oppressed in Europe and in the Arab world. Now Jews have power
Not really. Just basing its meaning on the technical definition of 'semitic' would imply that, but I'm pretty sure "antisemitic" was never widely used that way. It is just a euphemism for "anti-Jew".
The original meaning means those who spoke the Arabic and Ahramaic languages, ARABS IN OTHER WORDS. Shlomo Sand long ago exposed the fact that ancient jews spoke Germanic Yiddish so they invented their own form of Hebrew to claim they are native to Arabic Palestine when they are really just Anglo Europeans
@@marilynshepherd6480 The Ashkenazi aren't the only or oldest Jewish population, and the population genetics indicates they tend to have approximately 50% Middle Eastern ancestry.
You're literally citing old disproven anti-Jew conspiracy theories.
what about racist anti-arabism? we have that in spades in america. lets expand that to include criticism of arab nations.
Those anti Arabs are 100% anti semitic since Arabs are 100% semitic.
How about an unspoken word, anti-palestinianism?
Strictly spoken anti-palestinianism is antisemitism, because Palestinians are Semitic people as well.
@@SurfinScientistIgnorant.
No such thing.
lmao no, Surfer is exactly right. The term anti-semitism is used in an explicitly anti-Arab way, because it erases the fact that Arabs are semites. Semite is a religious definition, so not only does this erase them, it displaces them from their biblical significance as descendants of Shem.
@@ganpik Your reply does nothing other than convince me that you are a bigot.
"From the River to the Sea" for many pro-Palestinian people means "We believe in a one state solution that guarantees everyone equal rights regardless of background!" This is quite different to the Likud charter which uses the exact same language to want all of the land to be Israeli where Palestinians and Palestinian refugees DO NOT have the same rights.
What’s wrong with considering divestment? Is no one going to criticize these university boards for completely ignoring the issue?
Everyone knows the only meaningful consideration is money and power.
@@RatPfink66
So we take away their money and power. Boycott and divest from EVERYTHING.
So this is the guy who excluded Arabs and other groups from being Semitics as they had been for thousands of years. Oddly enough many of those yelling antisemitism aren't even semitic. As much as I appreciate Mr. Stern, being anti-genocide doesn't make you pro-Palestinian.
You're ignorant, playing innocent and misleading.
Netanyahoo can hardly be called semitic. He is the result of hundreds of generations of Europeans. Not so long ago a Jewish cemetery from the 900's CE was discovered in Germany. That makes more than a thousand years of their presence in Europe. At the beginning of the 20th century, there were white racist Eastern Europeans who started colonizing a darker people's land. You can look up the historical origins of the meme "anti-semitism" yourselves.
These people wants to make it all about Jews in order to garner sympathy so they can carry out their crimes with impunity. It’s all about control the narrative and controlling people.
Anyone with a clue agrees that the etymology of "antisemitic" is dumb. But for a long time it has had a meaning divorced from semitic language speakers.
On the larger point, there are people who are on the right side (IMO) on these issues of free speech and public discourse who are most certainly not pro-Palestinian. Honestly, this issue is more important long term / big-picture... We can't even really engage in trying to change minds unless we can discuss and debate.
This guy self-identified as a Zionist, but he's pretty much correct about the speech issues he's talking about here IMO. That means he is, at least in theory, open to listening and compromise. On the Zionism, his 'side' looks like it might just lose the public debate, and he's still defending the importance of having that debate.
Being anti-genocide doesn't make one pro or anti-semetic, pro or anti-Palestine.
It just means one values the individual human's right to human---live, be safe, happy and thrive.
Thank you for this interview. So important.
As a Los Angeles resident, everyone recognize the violence on UCLA campus that errupted was started by pro-israel protesters attacking the peaceful protest on campus.
Some say they need to investigate the possibility that these pro-israel protesters were not students
SEMITE, name given in the 19th century to a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages spoken primarily in parts of western Asia and Africa. The term therefore came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews.
Distortion of language is an ongoing process, it's either accepted by greater society or rejected.
it was used by German jew haters who despised the J word
How is that related to Yiddish a low Germanic language?
Anti war is not 'antisemitic'
Hannah Arendt 'at first I am human' needed more than ever
it's worth looking deeper into her ideology - she didn't consider palestinians human, and there's footage of her discourse on this topic
@@larisaoproescu4996yeah she was hardcore racist
@@larisaoproescu4996 “Race was the [South African] Boers’ answer to the overwhelming monstrosity of Africa - a whole continent populated and overpopulated by savages.” - Arendt
@@larisaoproescu4996I have read a couple of her books. Very worth reading, but even her comments on non-European jews in Israel were astonishingly racist. Strange person. She had a relationship with Martin Heidegger before the war, and then again after the war she defended him from critics. He was a member of the Nazi party from 1933 until the end of the war, and she was still defending his reputation in the 1950s. Why? I have no clue.
Arendt had disgusting remarks. Good for her that she manages to escape the Nazis, get American citizenship, smoke cigarettes all day in New York, while not giving a damn about the survival of other Jews, who didn't find such a comfortable solution.
I am an international university professor. I grew up in Morocco loving our Jewish neighbors. I am 60 years old and with my brother who is 62 years old, we still remember our days in our Casablanca neighborhood. Now, I just think the Israel is a killer state. Does this make me an antisemite? I believe I am not. I will always stand for justice, regardless of who is the perpetrator.
I also feel "from the river to the sea" problematic and dangerous for both. Both peoples have the right to exist.
Words are just words. It's always the context in which they are used that matters. We are encouraged to learn about historical context as a way to better understand the events that took place and to learn the lessons, but not in the case of Israel or Oct 7 because the government and their mouthpieces are telling us that it is anti-semitic to even mention that context matters. They twist it to mean the person who mentions it condones what happened on Oct 7. The fact that they do that is one thing. The fact that so many people fall for it and are afraid to say anything is another.
Do you find the phrase 'from....' as antisemitic when Likud or Natenyahu uses it... clearly your definition needs to be clarified!!
What people seem to completely forget in conversations and decision-making is WHAT are the students (and others) protesting against! Humanize it! How do inconveniences at campus protests or during graduation compare to the suffering Palestinian people are subjected to? Look at some footage of the war on Palestinians, look at the starving children… How can they/we not care, not be against it?
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize
The term has always been weaponized.
Great to hear a reasoned, rational voice 👏👏
the shooter at the mosques in Christchurch also had the same antisemitic ideology as the El Paso Walmart and Tree of Life Synagogue shooters.
false . he was anti-moslem . he was not looking to which child of Noah they descend from.
@@aloeste3994 the antisemitic ideology all three shooters shared was Great Replacement Theory. next time, look it up so that you can correct your understanding before you try to tell someone they’re wrong.
It’s amazing that all of these experts , reporters, newsreaders, politicians don’t choose to acknowledge that Palestinians are also Semitic people, it is not limited to Jews, but doesn’t actually apply to Jews from Europe(like Netanyahu who is from Poland). It is a term related to language, and includes people from Malta, parts of Turkey, Syria and other Middle East areas. In fact Netanyahu’s denigration of Palestinians is antisemitic in its true meaning.
It’s one thing to say something is racist or anti-Semitic, but these things aren’t illegal. Not in this country. We can’t make words illegal. That is the problem. The people in power are too quick to criminalize speech that isn’t imminent and targeted. These laws are unconstitutional.
This racist hierarchy needs to be dismantled.
Are Palestinens not sematic? Look up the definition!
You're ignorant.
They are protected by this law so are Arabs , African Hebrews, and Ethiopians. Don't know what it mentions about Khazarians? Some Jews said they are related such as Noam Chomsky!
That's not how language works. Antisemitic has pretty much always been just used as a euphemism for anti-Jew, so that's what it means.
Also, it is a pretty pointless thing to argue about. Maybe instead point out that Jews with ethnic ancestry in that region tend to have more in common with Palestinian Arabs than they do with Jews of Eastern European descent.
Personally, I would rather avoid drawing arbitrary lines here at all though... Just people doing horrible things to other people.
PS: Chomsky is (or at least was) a smart fellow, but prone to confidently bullshitting with fancy terms instead of admitting he might be mistaken or even just not know. I know a few people who took advanced linguistics (the field he is actually an expert in) courses from him, and they noted his tendency to "snow job" as they called it.
@@travcollier Not quite other people are also Semitic!
@@edwardpi9852 Again, antisemitic just isn't commonly used to mean "against semitic people". Yes, it is dumb from a literal perspective, but this sort of thing happens in language all the time.
Criticizing a government isn’t racism or xenophobia. I criticize my government everyday
But none of this happened on college campuses. Peaceful protests, no threats.
You cannot have an antisemite define antisemitism.
The blind leading the blinds.
Toured the museum in DC, horrific. Dad served as grunt in WW2 witnessed the horrors. Grew up with deep respect for Israel. It once had a powerful peace movement. I'm 72 and Israel today is unrecognizable. Unimaginable. A nation of 8 million in a world of 8 billion is willing to bring on global war including nukes if necessary. Tell Aviv rights US foreign policy. Named a road Trump boulevard. Sheldon Adelson was major funder in Trump's election. US media shows little nothing of the barbarism. Nearly every nation's media has Internet news channels which show in 4k the butchery. Leading Jewish scholars intellectuals professors denouncing the government in Tel Aviv. Haccidic Jews arrested for their anti Zionist beliefs in Israel, UK, US. Fear for our children grandchildren and two great grandchildren. Corporations are people my friends, $$$=free speech from our theological supreme judicial junta where five individuals unelected unaccountable groomed appointed for life routinely overrule the will of 333 million Americans as expressed by their democratically elected representatives. Israel's claim is ludicrous. Six thousand years ago a tribal war god bequeathed land to the tribe for eternity. Imagine a first nation American knocks on your door, forcibly expels you, says they will kill you if you return as their God promised them America for eternity. Jerusalem home to self defined three great religions is a fountain of hatred threatening civilization itself. Senator Sanders is the only voice of reason in what once was called the greatest deliberative body in the world. Today it's a snake pit as is the house.
Let me start with my firm position since 1980es that settlements was the biggest mistake that Israeli political class made by yielding to their religious right, I am also a staunch anti-Trumper. But you are blaming the entire country for the sins of their political right which exploited the fears of the people after country's failed attempts to reach peace with the party that never acknowledged it's right to exist, after Israel was brutally attacked in 1967, 1973 and endless times in between and after? The same can be applied to the US, if you look at the US from the perspective of Trump government. Trump government does not define the entire US, in the same way as Netanyahu government does not define entire Israel. More than a half Israelis want Netanyahu to resign, 10% of Israeli population marched against Netanyahu in a single day. Compare that to American protests against Trump in 2017: 2.3% of the population. Does it mean that you and I are more guilty of the sins of Trump administration than ordinary Israelis are guilty of Netanyahu's sins? As for your reference to Native Americans kicking us out of our homes, this is exactly what those student protesters want, to kick the Jews out of the land that supposedly belongs only to the Palestinians, under the banner of anti-Zionism. It is way easier to demand that other invaders vacate the land which their ancestors inhabited 2000 years ago while being an invader in the land where your ancestors never resided until 200 years ago and feeling great about yourself.
@@Tamara-qd5dc Any logic of owning land that your "ancestors" inhabited 2,000yrs ago means for Israelis to morally exist upon that land, every US tax payer would then be uprooted and the land given back to the Black Feet tribe and all others from which it was very, very, very recently stollen by force. European Jews have zero claim to land they stole a mere few yrs ago back in 1948. The issue confronting the world, which only a very, very small percentage simply refuse to acknowledge, is that Israel is committing mass murder on an industrial scale, eviscerating young boys and girls, out of pure vengeance and hatred. There is no place in Heaven for such deeds. Israel is committing blasphemy before the eyes of Humanity. That is the issue. Words will not blind the world to evil. God does not contradict.
An Indigenous person whose great grandparents had their land stolen has some credibility (though no - I'm not saying that all non-Indigenous people need to leave the United States - just that claims that Indigenous land was stolen should be taken seriously and compensation from government should be a possibility).
On the other hand Zionists ranting about who lived in Palestine thousands of years ago have no credibility, especially if they are white, European Jewish Zionists whose European ancestors converted to Judaism and they are demanding land from Palestinians who have an ancestral connection to the Jewish people who lived in Palestine thousands of years ago.
@Tamara-qd5dc
Two big differences between the United States and Israel.
First, although the series of American invasions into the lands of Indigenous nations in the 1800s was horrific and inexcusable it was done in the era of European imperialism when such things were commonly done around the world.
The Zionist invasion into Palestine on the other hand, though it started in the 1800s, really became established in 1948 when the Zionists declared that they had stolen over half the land in Palestine.
In 1948 the era of European imperialism was clearly winding down as India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Indonesia and the Philippines had been freed from colonial rule and within 15 years virtually all such racist colonialist oppressive apartheid regimes created by European invaders had been dismantled or at least had eliminated virtually all of their explicitly racist, apartheid laws.
In 1948 it was clearly a ludicrous, outdated idea to set up a new colonial regime just as a country deciding to start banning women from voting in 1948 would have been ludicrous and outdated.
The other big difference is that in the United States Indigenous people are not locked in overcrowded impoverished prison camps and ordered to go through endless checkpoints and banned from going on the best roads and are not banned from voting or running for election and there are not vast numbers of Indigenous people living in refugee camps outside the United States as stateless refugees affer being chased right out of the country.
So the history in the United States in terms of how Indigenous people were treated was horrific and there are still huge problems with systemic racism as there is in Canada and Australia and other countries with a lot of white settlers but the horrific oppressive apartheid regime that the Zionists run in Palestine is on a completely different scale of horror and has continued many decades after similar regimes around the world have been dismantled or ended their racist laws.
And there is a general feeling now in the United States, especially among young people, that racism and apartheid laws targeting Indigenous people are wrong whereas in Israel the overwhelming majority of Zionists seem to want their apartheid system to continue forever or to have Palestinians driven completely out of Palestine.
So I question how it will be possible for Palestinians to ever share the same land with Zionists who tend to be very illogical, hypocritical, fanatical and racist.
Obviously, the Israeli protests were not about giving Palestinians full freedom and rights - they were about complaints of Zionists regarding their government.
And you're being very misleading in claiming that other countries were always to blame for conflict with Israel.
Remember that Zionists started the conflict by trying to steal over half of Palestine in 1948 after WW2 when the era of Imperialist invasions was supposed to be over.
Remember too that Israel invaded Egypt in 1956 and attacked Egypt in 1967 and invaded Lebanon in 1982.
@@Tamara-qd5dcLiking your own comment is a red flag littletrolltot
Just because a man, and the man who wrote the original document, does NOT MEAN HE IS THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY. He has led many people astray with his sentiments, especially women who think they cannot think for themselves. Think for yourselves, people.
No one's saying he is. At the same time, we have people relying on a definition he helped to draft and publish as an unchangeable, infallible definition to weaponise against free speech, and his words carry weight as a mind behind the definition as well as a Zionist who really has no personal interest in defending free speech that he may find disturbing.
He did not say "I'm the authority on that, so people should accept what I say", he presented arguments for his position.
The interpretive definition should never be core to any law ,only the ontological definition
Oy vey!! This guys career is pathetic
It has no meaning to the word, if it doesn't just mean racism, no special identifiers are required.
How about Kenneth Stern apologizing for helping set forth the IHRA definiation that is an afront to 1st Amendment free speech in the US. He should ask to testify at the US Congress in opposition to the kind of legislation recently passes in the House of representatives.
Thank god for this guy Kenneth Stern explaining how antisemitism accusations are being weaponanized and thus allowing support of genocide.
You are the definition of an Antisemite.
Thank you very much for this! There are so many labels being thrown around and so much confusion with terms being confused with old meanings/no longer in use. K. Stern does a great job explaining. Thinks for this interview and discussion.
The term antisemitism _(and promotion of it)_ elevates and accounts for victimhood in a uniquely _Chosen One_ way.
Antisemitism is not a thing. Discrimination, Racism, etc... Too many ethnicities fall under semites. Our lawmakers need to find a better way to deal with these experiences.
The words antisemitism and racism are both overused. These are severe assessments and shouldn't be used for every single hint or whisper or possible overtone of prejudice. We used to use the word prejudice much more, and that is the basis of racism, but prejudice is also universal, much as we try to overcome a tendency to be prejudiced and even though a certain number of individuals really are good people who don't promote prejudice and act against it. There also are people who think they cannot possibly be prejudiced or racist because their group is discriminated against or is the target of prejudice. Takes all kinds.
The word antisemitic carries no weight anymore. It's being used left right & center. You can criticize all countries except isreal, absolutely pathetic!!!
85% of the Israelis are ASHKENAZI JAPHETITES, NOT SEMITES. The PALESTINIANS ARE MOSTLY SEMITES. Do your research and you'll see.
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How can people,who come from Europe,call indigenous Semitic people antisemitic for responding to terrorist acts done to them in order to take their land?
It's the same people who have been subverting their host Nations for centuries and wonder why there is backlash when their is push back when they make it illegal to criticize them
HOW MUCH MONEY does a Country need to be fully protected worldwide?
Nine trillion every 10 years, ill donate a dollar right now.
Are you talking about Palestine?
@@redpigeonsContact your handler for history review.
Israel will never be secure because it doesn't know how to behave.
All of it. Problematic, yes?
“ prime the pump” that is scary but true. Do the ignorant decide the trajectory of this country? Did that ever happen nefore?
Could this silencing all be in order for some weapon deals not to go sour? To create more support for armed attacks, more deals? 🤔🤑🤮
I would like to hear something on hate speech targeted at other groups. Seems like the conversation is antisemitism or not. What about anti Muslim, anti Palestinian Christian, anti atheist speech.? The lack of equal attention, especially by US government leaders, makes the antisemitism argument look like special treatment not afforded other groups.
Anti-Black, Anti-Racism........
Police brutality
How can you have a Jewish state that isn't inherently racist/bigoted? If a country is founded, maintained by one ethnicity, religion to the detriment of others or where others are second class citizens, how is that country not inherently racist/bigoted? Like a theocracy.? I mean, marriages between two people of other religions are not conducted in Israel. Even people who are married to a Jewish person but who are not Jewish themselves have an extremely hard time immigrating to Israel. How is that not racist/bigoted?
' Free ' speech needs chilling.
AS is a very poorly defined/misused term since people of all religions are semitic peoples in the MENA. Arabs and Jews are semitic and Arabic, Aramaic, Hebrew, Amharic are semitic languages. Definining AS as anti Jewish exclusively is very problematic in that it erases all the other semitic peoples in the MENA.
Vital voice! Thanks.
So we can criticize our own government, China, Russia all religions and even Gd Himself but we can't criticize Israel. Think about that.
Excellent interview. Thank you both.
support for students, condemnation of genocides
The example of the phrase "From the river to the sea" is typical for what is wrong with the zealotry that wants to crack down on words: when pro Palestinian supporters use it the phrase is seen as antisemitic, but if Netanyahu uses it to justify his attack on Gaza it is seen as acceptable and supported by the US autorities. Double standards ,and sheer hypocrisy! In fact, the phrase "From the river to the sea" is depicted in the Israeli flag , so how can it be antisemitic ?
Excellent interview! This message should be shouted from the roof tops---better yet---Prime time!
The world is sick and tired of this antisemitism BS
what a great segment.
Just re define well used words to suit your current situation... sooo easy... like changing the definition of vaccine during the P!!!
This man is smart and should be listened to .
12:50 How can someone feel disturbed by people wanting freedom, he talking about the chant 'from the river to the see'?
And after, he proudly saying "I'm a zionist".
Also how can you, as a jew, be apart of something that creates control and submission of others?? My head hurts
Thank you to the speaker for beıng so broad mınded
Finally, someone speaking some sense.
I appreciate intellectual consistency.
In the US, the N word is offensive. There is a K word in South Africa that is similar. The word means nothing to me but knowing it’s offensive, out of respect, I would never use it. This takes no effort on my part.
Crushing dissent without discussion is a symptom of a lack of confidence in your ability to truthfully argue against it. It doesn't help, either, it just galvanises people to continue what they has become an unfair fight.
There's just no excuse for wielding state violence against peaceful protestors (no matter how sensitive professors may be to call drumbeats "violent") and it's really powerful that Mr Stern can recognise that and speak out even when it's in defense of speech he may personally find disturbing (and even recognises that that might be because of differing interpretations and intent!)
Comparing free speech to lynching? Inappropriate.
Too complicated and nuanced for a lot of people, who just want an in-group, an out-group, and a simple definition they can alter when it's convenient for purposes of identity politics and belonging to group A or group B. If everyone started looking at the complexities of language and the uses and intents behind it, we might actually solve problems, and that's not what many people crave in the moment.
13:15 only 14% of muslim students surveyed thought that 'from the river to the sea' meant calling for the extermination of the jews. So 14% is not high enough for you to be concerned?? How many jewish students feel threatened by this phrase? Wouldn't that be equally important to know??
The problem is that you can't say that 14% is the same as 100%.
It is a cause to be concerned, but you can't shut up everyone because of it.
Also, don't forget that there are lots of Jews in the protests.
Beyond a slanging match between pundits and the public, I’d be interested in how much these charges of anti-Semitism would stick. As in, what’s the institutional legal position vis-a-vis the IHRA document?
A conversation with substance
Why are people so nonchalant about how life is today???😑
Netanyahu put up a map that says "from river to the sea", and that was ok??
Can someone be pro Palestine and not be antisemitic? Can someone dislike the violence and looting of a black lives matter protest and not be a racist?
Yes
if you support extirpation of the state of the jews, and that state alone , you are a jew hater
The thing that no one wants to admit because it would actually mean thinking before you judge something, is that it matters what the person *actually says.* You can't just lump every sentence with vaguely similar words under one umbrella because you don't want to actually engage or analyse the situation with logic, we can't just automate the act of human interaction with a set of handy, unchangeable heuristics.
Inherently and alone, being pro-Palestinian is not anti-Semitic, being against violent protest is not racist, but someone who holds either of those beliefs can still go on to say and do anti-Semitic or racist things, and you can't suddenly lump that in with the former just because of a correlation. it's not enough to just draw a circle around two things and say "look, they're the same!", you have to actually logically argue a link with evidence for it to not just be some random anecdote/spurious correlation.
Nobody from this student movement is anti Jewish.
Thanks for your words on this issue Kenneth Stern. I support students freedom to express themselves and debate these issues. They should not be arrested and treated like criminals for exercising their 1st amendment rights, even if what they are saying may make others uncomfortable.
I have been called antisemitic for being appalled at the deaths of so many Gazans, yet I find myself in agreement with Stern's definitions and remedies for bad speech. Bizarrely, the term has been weaponized against me while I have meanwhile expressed support for Israel's right to exist and defend itself.
If the defintion is so easily weaponized, he needs to take it back to the drawing board. Does he mot realize the confusion he has caused. Jews in Britain have been expelled from the Labour party for being anti-semitic. This defintion is destroying people's lives.
Semites are people born into a culture whose LANGUAGE is part of the Family of Semitic Languages .
Hebrew is a Semitic language. It is read from right to left and employs a different "aphabet" from Cyrillic or the "Romance Languages" of Europe.
Arabic is also a Semitic Language. Some Semites speak Hebrew, some Semites speak Arabic, some speak both, and some speak regional variants.
In its original meaning, Semitic is not a racial, religious, or "nationalist" term.
Kenneth Stern maintains that the meaning of Semitic is "watered down" when used to describe, say, Palestinians as well as Israelis and Jews. "If everyone's Semitic, then no one is Semitic", according to Mr.Stern.
That "reductio ad absurdum" does an injustice to all Semites especially when we consider the potentially unitive effect that denuding the term of its religious/racial/nationalist application might achieve.
What would happen if Palestinians started to see Israelis as "cousins" and vice versa?
Might the public recognition that there are Jewish-Arabs, Palestinian Jews - indeed Jesus Christ WAS A PALESTINIAN JEW! "Jesus OF PALESTINE, KING of the JEWS" appears In the New Testament as a title applied to Jesus by the Romans.
Palestine was not a formal "nation" in Roman times; it was a Region that stretched from the Mediterranean to the edges of the Persian Empire. The lack of a central government and the presence of a semi-nomadic portion of the Palestinian people has long been used to argue that there is no "country" of Palestine.
That is not, however, an argument against creating a self-governing homeland for the Palestinian people.
Palestinians are less diverse than Canadians or Americans but roughly a quarter of Palestinians are Christian. Most are Muslim but some are Agnostic or Atheist, Ba'hai, or even Buddhist. Palestinian is not synonymous with Islam.
A vast number of Palestinians live in "temporary exile" in Jordan in refugee camps where they been since 1967! That is NOT TEMPORARY. It has become a permanent exile and that is unacceptable.
It is time to re-unite Palestinians in the cause of creating their own Independent State with a Constitution, Equality for Women in all areas of life including Education through to the Doctoral Level, Proportional Representation of male and female Elected Government Officials a Parliament, and SECULAR LAWS that apply to everyone.
Dr. Hanan Ashwari is a Palestinian woman scholar whose expertise would be enormously helpful in setting up an Independent, Anti-Terrorist Palestinian State.
A formal recognition of the fact that both Israelis and Palestinians are Semitic peoples, equally deserving of their homeland and not devoted to the extermination of anything other than HUMAN IGNORANCE AND INEQUALITY would give both groups the incentive to
concentrate on the future and stop re-fighting past battles.