Well Ethan we used to replace our disk blades the cheap way. I used to buy used blades from the big farmer down the road. He ran 30 foot Deere disks with 24" blades new. They changed them when they got to 20". The exact size my old Long disk used. They worked perfectly. I paid $2.00 a blade, which is higher than scrap prices and the blades were sharp and thicker than the standard 20" India blades. Needed 22 blades so for $44 I got new blades or at least new to me.
I figure I’m never getting rid of the disk and with what I’m going to do with it I’ll likely never wear out another set again so I just wanted to go new.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy I hear ya. It is a cheap option for some of the smaller farmers out there. I did the same for an old Dearborn fold over disk we have too. It is mainly used for fire line plowing in the woods.
Long one but worth the watch. We really like the way you breath life back into these old pieces of "meadow green". The first disc I remember pulling behind an 1800B. I have rebuilt Dad's 252 several times! BTW we've purchased several pieces from Olsen's.
My grandpa had a business where he would go out to the farms with his homemade disk sharpening machine. It was a cool.system where he used hardened steel rollers to roll the edge of the disk between the hardened rollers which smashed the edge until it was sharp. That process also made the new edge stronger. The machine ran a 3.5 hp Briggs engine. It took most of a day to sharpen a tandem disk like yours. He made good money doing that and ran the business many years.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy we did it with the disk mounted. It pinched the edge of the disk between two curved rollers that spun the disk on the axle. As it rolled, we tightened the rollers together and that forced the edge sharper as it went, and made a beautiful edge. That really made the disk last longer in the ground. The rollers were minted on a "cart" arrangement and were year driven by the engine. Once it was set up and started, we just tightened up a hand crank to force the rollers together. The rollers ran parallel to the disk edge. My grandpa made the rig and we hauled it on a small trailer along with parts and tools to fix up the plows.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy after the video reminded minor that machine I called my uncle to see if it was still around. My cousin has been using it around the Amarillo area. I guess after 50 some years it's still making money. I guess all it has really needed was a couple of replacement engines. He says it still has the original rollers and is still on that same homemade trailer.
It's crazy what's happened to the supply chain. I just rebuilt all 4 gangs on our old IH 330 disk and Shoup took a little over 2 months before all the parts finished trickling in. Glad I ordered in December or I'd be in the same boat.
You got it looking really nice Ethan; I think those notched blades are going to work good for you!!! Also can't believe how fast your little girl is growing!!!!!
Good video. We have a 254 disk, so smaller frame and a square gang axle. We upgraded the original rock blades to Ingersoll blades that are a wee bit thicker, and are Case Ih Earth metal. We had to make a shim so they fit the gang axel correctly. We have had them a few years and are yet to break one.
In 1969 my dad rented 400 plus acres of newly cleared ground it was rough on a disc and especially when you centered the front GANGS on a stumps ie broke blades and axles it was in a floodway and chunks were an annual chore and challenge every spring for a few years.... also rough on a disc...
I agree with your thoughts on the use of a disk. It is a weapon of tillage warfare, but if you go to war, you need to have a good one. I bought a John Deere 310 12 footer and its the biggest little disk I've ever seen. Its about four feet tall when its up and it has 21 inch blades and 11L-15 tires. It can turn sod into powder in three passes. But not good for preparing a seedbed.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy lol 😂, I'll try to be as cheap as possible just using it for waterways and terraces. I bought a 14ft john deere disk that had new tires on it and a whole bunch of new parts for 100 bucks lol best deal of my entire life.
I’ve got a 242 Oliver disk that is getting the front gangs done just as soon as the blades show up. Sloan was out of stock on the notched 18” blades, so I had to get the smooth ones.
I always liked notched or scalloped blades except you must remember they are halfway wore out when you buy them... but, in heavy stubble they cut and cover better. We ran scalloped on the front gangs and solid blades on the rear gangs....
The spring is not even broken on the adjusting crank on yours , have high bid on a 251 White disc that ends tomorrow . Disc in good condition , one bearing gone one it .
I replaced blades on a few disks and used the notched blades on front and smooth on back, the india blades were used every time, they aren't bad. For vegetable farming we used smooth blades front and back.
If I remember correctly I think we got the disks for our Oliver disk from Tempco a couple years ago they were 20s with round hole we run notched on the front and smooth on back.
Great disk....we had the Ford version (model 240), 12 ft with notched fronts and smooth rear disks. Pulled it with an Oliver 1855 in heavy clay. Always dis a good job. I would like to make this disk as a 1/16 toy and wonder what the length and width of the frame, as well as the length of the original hitch beam. If you happen to have those dimensions, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
Great video Ethan and the result thus far looks really good and capable of some serious work. Would you consider on that extension where you cannot get the end nut free destroying one or both of the old bearings by carefully cutting them off the shaft (as I understand they are shot?) to make enough room to get hold of the shaft firmly so that, with heat, you might be able to remove the end nut without damaging the remaining threads any more than they already are?
Spring planting under way Vineland nj, lettuce, beets, kohlrabi, plants being transplanted this week. Yet 8" snow still on ground in North Jersey. Yup we are a separated season state.
On IHC 480 DISC WE HAD AN HABITUAL PROBLEM WITH THE BUMPER WASHERS ON THE FRONT GANGS THEY HAD A TENDENCY TO RUB EACH OTHER AND WEAR OUT ON THE FRONT GANGS...THEN IT WAS AXLE GOING TO MACHINE SHOP FOR NEW AXLE CAP....
Idk if itll help you, but when we did bearing on out 630 deere disk, we put 2 really big washers on the inside between the spacer and the end disk blade to take up the wobble out... havent used that disk in a couple years now but it held together for 400 acres
What did you do with the old blades you pulled off? I got a 252 I just ordered all new bearings for myself. I got a couple broke discs but dont need to buy all new ones and I'm afraid if I buy a few new ones they'll be too large. I only use mine when a hay field is plowed and replanted here and there. The smooth discs are what I tend to use for that. I'm just north of you by the allegan area.
We used to rebuild IH 490 32 foot harrows and it was normally a two day job.Tear them down one day and build them back up the next. That is a lot of hardware to replace. I know somebody is going to ask so it might as well be me and that is could you convert to a square axle? Here in the south you see a lot of harrows with all notched disc for rough tillage then some have half and half and then some have all smooth for finish work. With all the strip till going on they usually sit in the yard till fall when you get ready for grain. Don't really use them like we used to.
At least at this point the disks are usable if you can't get the blades for the wings straightened out. Lot simpler to stack than my AC disks. Axle shafts are 6 sided with 2 opposite points cut off to make them 8 sided. Square stock slides on for square holed blades. Spacers between blades are round inside and the bearings are 6 sided to ride on the axle shaft.
I'll be doing the same to my 252 coming up here, would you happen to have the part numbers for the bearings and disks? Otherwise I know Shoup, but I'm unfamiliar with the site you got all of them from. Is it Sloan? Or Sloane?
The US supplier of those discs probably are getting made in India discs, anyway. So you got the same thing directly from India supplier and cheaper too.
Your really doing some heavy maintenance on the tillage equipment this winter. Years ago there was some places that got disc blades with no hole . The dealer would punch whatever hole the customer needed.
Do you have a Oliver ground drive lime spreader cause I know where one is at the bandit has one looks really good I live not too far from him he seems like a nice guy
I replaced blades on old offset disk, I used the same notched blades. I was wondering if you staggered the notches on the blades? I was concerned with the India blades too.
I don't know where you're at, but there's one complete disk with springs wings and all, just missing the hydraulic, that has been retired 20yrs ago and is siting on a rock-pile just right there (google map 45.74263313856483, -70.73120307651007) I think you'd be able to get it for less than scrap-iron price just for cleaning the place and give its life back ;)
American rhinos pushung all the work to other countries, fill thier pockets, but we get crappy parts, next thing on the list for my shop, is making disc blades
I disliked IHC 480 SERIES DISC because there spools and spacers had a tendency to wear.... the axles had also were bad to stretch...mostly from over torquing the end caps....
Well Ethan we used to replace our disk blades the cheap way. I used to buy used blades from the big farmer down the road. He ran 30 foot Deere disks with 24" blades new. They changed them when they got to 20". The exact size my old Long disk used. They worked perfectly. I paid $2.00 a blade, which is higher than scrap prices and the blades were sharp and thicker than the standard 20" India blades. Needed 22 blades so for $44 I got new blades or at least new to me.
I figure I’m never getting rid of the disk and with what I’m going to do with it I’ll likely never wear out another set again so I just wanted to go new.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy I hear ya. It is a cheap option for some of the smaller farmers out there. I did the same for an old Dearborn fold over disk we have too. It is mainly used for fire line plowing in the woods.
I have a 252 which I need to replace blades and bearings
Your video is very helpful
Love what you do my grandfather was a tool and die man and you remind me of him
Thanks for taking the time to bring us along!
Thanks for watching
Long one but worth the watch. We really like the way you breath life back into these old pieces of "meadow green". The first disc I remember pulling behind an 1800B. I have rebuilt Dad's 252 several times! BTW we've purchased several pieces from Olsen's.
Looking good buddy it will be nice when you all can get in the field and start working play in the dirt your buddy from Nebraska
Thanks
My grandpa had a business where he would go out to the farms with his homemade disk sharpening machine. It was a cool.system where he used hardened steel rollers to roll the edge of the disk between the hardened rollers which smashed the edge until it was sharp. That process also made the new edge stronger. The machine ran a 3.5 hp Briggs engine. It took most of a day to sharpen a tandem disk like yours. He made good money doing that and ran the business many years.
Did that on the disk or apart?
@@Oliver66FarmBoy we did it with the disk mounted. It pinched the edge of the disk between two curved rollers that spun the disk on the axle. As it rolled, we tightened the rollers together and that forced the edge sharper as it went, and made a beautiful edge. That really made the disk last longer in the ground. The rollers were minted on a "cart" arrangement and were year driven by the engine. Once it was set up and started, we just tightened up a hand crank to force the rollers together. The rollers ran parallel to the disk edge. My grandpa made the rig and we hauled it on a small trailer along with parts and tools to fix up the plows.
Sounds like quite the contraption.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy after the video reminded minor that machine I called my uncle to see if it was still around. My cousin has been using it around the Amarillo area. I guess after 50 some years it's still making money. I guess all it has really needed was a couple of replacement engines. He says it still has the original rollers and is still on that same homemade trailer.
It's crazy what's happened to the supply chain. I just rebuilt all 4 gangs on our old IH 330 disk and Shoup took a little over 2 months before all the parts finished trickling in. Glad I ordered in December or I'd be in the same boat.
If I would have know it was going to be this messed up I would have got the stuff last fall.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy For sure, just dumb luck on my part.
You got it looking really nice Ethan; I think those notched blades are going to work good for you!!! Also can't believe how fast your little girl is growing!!!!!
I hope they work like I think they are gonna.
Looks good Ethan - can't wait to see it " dirty ". Thanks for the post. Take care. Fred.
Hopefully our dry weather holds and I can go give the muck it’s first going over here in a couple weeks.
Looks just like my dads 10 footer that I used as a teen.
Looks like the supervisor is growing nicely!!!
She’s more than doubled.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy Nice!!! Looking real good 👍👍
The old girl would look really sharp with some fresh paint
I couldn't help but laugh cause I wanted to see it in the field too. Looks great though with the new blades.
Makes a big difference.
Bet it will do a good job when it is done looking forward to seeing you working with it
Thanks. I’m excited.
Good video. We have a 254 disk, so smaller frame and a square gang axle. We upgraded the original rock blades to Ingersoll blades that are a wee bit thicker, and are Case Ih Earth metal. We had to make a shim so they fit the gang axel correctly. We have had them a few years and are yet to break one.
I would like earth metal blades but they are to salty for a disk that’s going to see less than 100 acres a year.
In 1969 my dad rented 400 plus acres of newly cleared ground it was rough on a disc and especially when you centered the front GANGS on a stumps ie broke blades and axles it was in a floodway and chunks were an annual chore and challenge every spring for a few years.... also rough on a disc...
Nice Clearance Clarence on the encap for the disk.
I agree with your thoughts on the use of a disk. It is a weapon of tillage warfare, but if you go to war, you need to have a good one. I bought a John Deere 310 12 footer and its the biggest little disk I've ever seen. Its about four feet tall when its up and it has 21 inch blades and 11L-15 tires. It can turn sod into powder in three passes. But not good for preparing a seedbed.
Those are good disks.
You do great work. I have to freshen up my Ih 480 18ft disk sometime, in needs tires, a few bearings and a couple blades and she'd be good to go.
Get your wallet out. Lol
@@Oliver66FarmBoy lol 😂, I'll try to be as cheap as possible just using it for waterways and terraces. I bought a 14ft john deere disk that had new tires on it and a whole bunch of new parts for 100 bucks lol best deal of my entire life.
I’ve got a 242 Oliver disk that is getting the front gangs done just as soon as the blades show up. Sloan was out of stock on the notched 18” blades, so I had to get the smooth ones.
I always liked notched or scalloped blades except you must remember they are halfway wore out when you buy them... but, in heavy stubble they cut and cover better. We ran scalloped on the front gangs and solid blades on the rear gangs....
The spring is not even broken on the adjusting crank on yours , have high bid on a 251 White disc that ends tomorrow . Disc in good condition , one bearing gone one it .
Excellent, fun stuff, thanks.
Thanks.
I replaced blades on a few disks and used the notched blades on front and smooth on back, the india blades were used every time, they aren't bad. For vegetable farming we used smooth blades front and back.
Since this is for primary tillage I wanted notched all the way around.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy what you have now is perfect for corn and soybeans, those notched blades are very aggressive in stubble 👍
Very nice you have skills man!
Thanks
If I remember correctly I think we got the disks for our Oliver disk from Tempco a couple years ago they were 20s with round hole we run notched on the front and smooth on back.
Great disk....we had the Ford version (model 240), 12 ft with notched fronts and smooth rear disks. Pulled it with an Oliver 1855 in heavy clay. Always dis a good job. I would like to make this disk as a 1/16 toy and wonder what the length and width of the frame, as well as the length of the original hitch beam. If you happen to have those dimensions, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
great video as always. that disc is gonna be mean, have a good day bubba
Thanks
Rebuilding an Oliver 241. Can’t find replacement scrapers. Where did you find yours?
Great video Ethan and the result thus far looks really good and capable of some serious work.
Would you consider on that extension where you cannot get the end nut free destroying one or both of the old bearings by carefully cutting them off the shaft (as I understand they are shot?) to make enough room to get hold of the shaft firmly so that, with heat, you might be able to remove the end nut without damaging the remaining threads any more than they already are?
The nut is off. The retaining cap is wedged.
Spring planting under way Vineland nj, lettuce, beets, kohlrabi, plants being transplanted this week. Yet 8" snow still on ground in North Jersey. Yup we are a separated season state.
Vineland is a big produce area isn't it? I only been there once 11 years ago. Seems to me that I saw a lot of produce fields.
On IHC 480 DISC WE HAD AN HABITUAL PROBLEM WITH THE BUMPER WASHERS ON THE FRONT GANGS THEY HAD A TENDENCY TO RUB EACH OTHER AND WEAR OUT ON THE FRONT GANGS...THEN IT WAS AXLE GOING TO MACHINE SHOP FOR NEW AXLE CAP....
That new hand doesn't look all that into repair work Farm Boy, but she is a cutie!
She prefers eating grass. Lol
Idk if itll help you, but when we did bearing on out 630 deere disk, we put 2 really big washers on the inside between the spacer and the end disk blade to take up the wobble out... havent used that disk in a couple years now but it held together for 400 acres
Damn I just had to watch a bit longer 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What did you do with the old blades you pulled off? I got a 252 I just ordered all new bearings for myself. I got a couple broke discs but dont need to buy all new ones and I'm afraid if I buy a few new ones they'll be too large. I only use mine when a hay field is plowed and replanted here and there. The smooth discs are what I tend to use for that. I'm just north of you by the allegan area.
Yea my father just said the same thing yesterday when we where working on our feild drag
We used to rebuild IH 490 32 foot harrows and it was normally a two day job.Tear them down one day and build them back up the next. That is a lot of hardware to replace. I know somebody is going to ask so it might as well be me and that is could you convert to a square axle? Here in the south you see a lot of harrows with all notched disc for rough tillage then some have half and half and then some have all smooth for finish work. With all the strip till going on they usually sit in the yard till fall when you get ready for grain. Don't really use them like we used to.
You can but why spend another 500 bucks on axles when there is nothing wrong with the ones I have.
At least at this point the disks are usable if you can't get the blades for the wings straightened out.
Lot simpler to stack than my AC disks.
Axle shafts are 6 sided with 2 opposite points cut off to make them 8 sided. Square stock slides on for square holed blades. Spacers between blades are round inside and the bearings are 6 sided to ride on the axle shaft.
That sounds way over complicated for a disk axle.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy this is one of the first videos I posted on my other channel, changing bearings.
ruclips.net/video/6guWXv2cvQU/видео.html
I'll be doing the same to my 252 coming up here, would you happen to have the part numbers for the bearings and disks? Otherwise I know Shoup, but I'm unfamiliar with the site you got all of them from. Is it Sloan? Or Sloane?
Sloan .
Could you go over the difference between smooth n tooth disc blades? And why you would want one over the other?
Notched blades give more pressure per blade, until they are worn flat. They work great though.
I think they finish better to.
Sweet 😁😁
She's gunna be one mean lookin disk when it's finished.
Gonna be real nice.
The US supplier of those discs probably are getting made in India discs, anyway. So you got the same thing directly from India supplier and cheaper too.
Shoup sells Nichols, Osmondson, and Ingersoll. This are all North American made.
Your really doing some heavy maintenance on the tillage equipment this winter. Years ago there was some places that got disc blades with no hole . The dealer would punch whatever hole the customer needed.
Tried that with plow coulters once. Gets to expensive to fast.
Do you have a Oliver ground drive lime spreader cause I know where one is at the bandit has one looks really good I live not too far from him he seems like a nice guy
I replaced blades on old offset disk, I used the same notched blades. I was wondering if you staggered the notches on the blades? I was concerned with the India blades too.
Where ever they fell on the axle is how they stayed.
I have the same disc as you ,needs new blades too
Going to cost you about 2 grand in blades and bearings. Lol
Throw some paint on it to match the pretty Oliver
Probably not.
Curious to see what clay soil does to those
Won’t be any different than regular round blades.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy was referring to strength and durability. I’ve never seen a finished product that pitted.
Did u use sealed bearings or greasable
Sealed.
I don't know where you're at, but there's one complete disk with springs wings and all, just missing the hydraulic, that has been retired 20yrs ago and is siting on a rock-pile just right there (google map 45.74263313856483, -70.73120307651007)
I think you'd be able to get it for less than scrap-iron price just for cleaning the place and give its life back ;)
I heard that India has some good spicy food.
I don’t see what that has to do with anything but ok?
@@Oliver66FarmBoy Maybe the guys in the factory had the shits due to the spicy food and maybe thats a theory why the disc blades look so crappy.
Do Oliver’s 1800a and 1850 have the same fender
Yes
Could you have phoned Versatil and maybe get some blades from Canada.
I can’t imagine what it’s like shipping across borders right now.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy Fair enough
@@Oliver66FarmBoy Definitely not fun. I live in Ontario and I try to avoid the border entirely if I can. Two cylinder parts really suck for weight
American rhinos pushung all the work to other countries, fill thier pockets, but we get crappy parts, next thing on the list for my shop, is making disc blades
I disliked IHC 480 SERIES DISC because there spools and spacers had a tendency to wear.... the axles had also were bad to stretch...mostly from over torquing the end caps....
It is a shitty thing why those disks aren't Made in the USA
First? Lol
Typical fedex
never will work stupid can not fix stupid in my world it's not going to work the disk will start to spin yeap
Good thing this ain’t your world then eh?
Now this sounds like a voice of experience - - "Stupid is as stupid does"
@@roadhogg1418 sorry to hear your stupid
Time will tell. Some folks have a "knack" for making a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
How do you suppose it worked with the old blades, with a round hole on a round shaft?