Vengeance DH is actually a lot of fun. Just have to learn to spread out the various defensives, or if you need a moment of ultra tankiness pop them all at once. I feel like you have a decent amount of options, and the mobility + utility is fun
sir its just frailty and fury for frailty there is also no reason for a vdh to move as that could interfere with applying frailty its onf of the best classes just very very underapreciated and underused/unknown people just dont know the class
So sad with the announced nerfs to Prot warr in 11.1 , prot spec is dead and it will be the worst tank out of them all. Who in the hell thought nerfing prot warr rage regen needs to be fired !
@@fostercirino7183 Good for you that you learned early enough so you hopefully did not waste that much time. I already geared my prot warrior and now I am gearing prot paladin to get ready for S2.
The changes aren't so bad! For some reason people are overlooking the fact that ignore pain is getting buffed by 30%, couple that with the new tier set bonuses and then most toons having enough secondary stats such as haste and crit.. prot warriors will still remain solid brick walls.
@@Patrickl1988 Warriors whole thing and fun comes from how anger management gets the cd's up super quick, which then leads to more anger management to reduce cool downs. It's gonna be signifigantly worse as it stand despite that ignore pain buff. Like someone said above, it's first patch notes, so I doubt its final
Brew master is hands down the most fun tank in the game and it's not even close. UNbelievable mobility, hilarious flips, teliport around, and some really cool play style. And i get to look like a super sayin soon. The more effort you put into brew, and learn more on how to use everything in your tool kit. It's fun factor is unmatched. bear more fun? haha, more EASY* bear imp is the most boring tank in the game. Although they are least played (checked raider io) and many can't understand it. I love it!
Yeah, suggesting Bear is more "fun" tells me a lot about this guy. He's just putting out the mythic "viability" list and calling it fun. I will say the points about the Brew talent trees are spot on though.
@Cosmicllama64 Brew could use some work in the talent tree but who couldn't? Overall I find Brew the most fun. You know what I think it is? Bru has a steep learning curve. It does. A lot of people don't even understand it, and it takes a while to get used to it all. It's an investment. But once you get used to everything you learn the combos you know what to do You're used to the feel of it and you're slamming out keys it is so fun. And it's a tank you keep returning to whereas the bear? You don't really return to it. You just get bored and move on. SPM iron for you go in there and you spam your basic thing and put up.
fr i been playing prot paladin since foreever and we have had our times in the dust through out history. now we're decent and ppl are just hating lmao.
The most fun part about tanking in TWW is losing all your keys and having to constantly kill yourself on bosses because people can’t do mechanics at all.
Vengeance DH is the only Tank I play. The Mobility is so good. You can survive just fine. Ranking it ass tier is laughable. I'm not saying it's the best Tank right now but it's fun to play. The Hero Trees need a little work well Aldrachi Reaver needs alot of work. I think it is the least played Hero tree in the game Tank or DPS. Fun tier list and stacking 5 tanks in top 3 tiers and dropping Vengeance in bottom Ass tier I don't get it. That invalidates your whole list to me at minimum it should be in middle tier with Brewmaster. I dislike Monk because you need 7 action bars to cover the button bloat but I wouldn't put it that low.
Nice list, I love Blood DK because it plays a bit like a DPS and as a DPS player who wants to tank, it feels good. It's a shame san'layn is so bland because I'd love to play a vampire theme
The tier of talents at the bottom of the spec talents page. Ideally, they should be the strongest talents, but for BM (as he said), you don't take a single one. The idea of "capstone talents" is actually a remnant from the old talent trees in like BC and Wrath. I would consider convoke vs incarn to be a capstone talent, at the second to bottom, with the row under being modifiers for it.
if you have a disc who track your cd but prot paladin is always one gcd aways from being deleted i love prot pal but when i heal nothing terrify me than a FOTM reroller on a prot pal. while a war prot can pull the same while being half asleep
Prot warrior is fun right now, in 11.1 it will be garbage! The devs working over warrior changes needs to stop such garbage decision! Who is seriously thinking that reducing rage generation and again destroy anger management is something that we want!
compared to druid,warrior,prot pal, (most tanky tanks) vdh is paper, i feel in danger playing vdh, even with spreading defensives. it felt so good s3,s4 in df, they reworked it to work so good, just to destroy the spec completely in tww. i understand taking away double grip, silence sigils, but taking away sooo much mitigation,self healing is horrendous, ure PAPER without meta, and needs immediate healer attention whole time without meta or brand
blizzard: lets reduce self sustain of the self sustain tanks (vdh,bdk), and we punish them for the little self sustain left by making their base mitigation PIECE OF PAPER... RESULT: top 450 m+ keys without any vdh,bdk, but brothers in comments are high on too much copium bcs they could tank their 10s for weekly. #justice4vdh
Prot paladin gets dropped a tier for sure because of running oom from its own self sustain. Having to sit a few times through a dungeon to drink is NOT a good feeling.
Also if you dont read my comment i wish you and marcelian good christmas days and a happy new year. Be the best content also in 2025❤ Funny is you are also the one who says everytime prot paly is bad because of concentration😂 is this all fixed? And yea wish they make brewmaster great again 😢 i love my monk but when it gets love its only WW and heal 😅
Yeah. I don't think blizzard has ever nerfed prot warrior rage gen without overnerfing it and banishing them to the tanking basement for at least 12 months. They seem more responsive these days. So while I'm sure they'll overnerf it and generally ruin the class in the short-term, hopefully, they'll fix it more quickly than they traditionally have. Hopefully...
8:00 Prot warrior is tied for most fun, and your argument is that it is also one of the 2 best tanks. Yet you dont want to play it... Both good and fun, but wont play it = it is NOT both good and fun...
Bro this is exactly the opposite of fun. This is like a tier list for m+ tankiness. No sane person would enjoy warrior or druid tank over the other classes, you can just play these with a 1 button macro
the brewmaster dev is MIA what the hell blizzard can you please wake up ? there is MAJOR aggro bug with keg smash and it make pulling packs a nightmare buff freaking celestial brew because seeing a 10 stack shield getting deleted almost instant is enraging. our hp and armor is still so damn bad and i dont think i ever changed my talent tree and hero talent because 80% of it is shit
Lol so true. I play a few tanks but enjoy brew the most. Seeing Celestrial brew, a CD shield you have to stack up get dunked on by ignore pain spam is wild to me
Vengeance DH is actually a lot of fun. Just have to learn to spread out the various defensives, or if you need a moment of ultra tankiness pop them all at once. I feel like you have a decent amount of options, and the mobility + utility is fun
sir its just frailty and fury for frailty there is also no reason for a vdh to move as that could interfere with applying frailty
its onf of the best classes just very very underapreciated and underused/unknown people just dont know the class
So sad with the announced nerfs to Prot warr in 11.1 , prot spec is dead and it will be the worst tank out of them all. Who in the hell thought nerfing prot warr rage regen needs to be fired !
This! I was gearing up my prot warrior thinking I would main it next patch, and then this was revealed. So disappointing
@@fostercirino7183 Good for you that you learned early enough so you hopefully did not waste that much time. I already geared my prot warrior and now I am gearing prot paladin to get ready for S2.
Its the first patchnotes and they listen to feedback so i think it wont be so hard till release 😊
The changes aren't so bad! For some reason people are overlooking the fact that ignore pain is getting buffed by 30%, couple that with the new tier set bonuses and then most toons having enough secondary stats such as haste and crit.. prot warriors will still remain solid brick walls.
@@Patrickl1988 Warriors whole thing and fun comes from how anger management gets the cd's up super quick, which then leads to more anger management to reduce cool downs. It's gonna be signifigantly worse as it stand despite that ignore pain buff. Like someone said above, it's first patch notes, so I doubt its final
“you wont play prot warrior without anger management” true for all tanks/healers 😂
Nice graphic effect at 0:25!
Thank you, Marcelian, for the TLS :)
Flame can fully agree with you
Played a lot of both Prot warrior and Prot pally in season 1 and I love them both. This is my first xpac maining tank
Brew master is hands down the most fun tank in the game and it's not even close.
UNbelievable mobility, hilarious flips, teliport around, and some really cool play style.
And i get to look like a super sayin soon. The more effort you put into brew, and learn more on how to use everything in your tool kit.
It's fun factor is unmatched. bear more fun? haha, more EASY*
bear imp is the most boring tank in the game.
Although they are least played (checked raider io) and many can't understand it.
I love it!
Yeah, suggesting Bear is more "fun" tells me a lot about this guy. He's just putting out the mythic "viability" list and calling it fun. I will say the points about the Brew talent trees are spot on though.
@Cosmicllama64 Brew could use some work in the talent tree but who couldn't? Overall I find Brew the most fun. You know what I think it is? Bru has a steep learning curve. It does.
A lot of people don't even understand it, and it takes a while to get used to it all.
It's an investment.
But once you get used to everything you learn the combos you know what to do You're used to the feel of it and you're slamming out keys it is so fun.
And it's a tank you keep returning to whereas the bear? You don't really return to it. You just get bored and move on.
SPM iron for you go in there and you spam your basic thing and put up.
@@Cosmicllama64 anyone claiming prot pally and guardian are fun are straight lying. Ain’t nooooo way
As a bear, I'd like to be able to cast my heals.
I want to take the free regrowth so bad for 12+ keys, it's just so bad, and so far behind anything I could drop for it):
id like to have as much hp as your bear tank lol
fr i been playing prot paladin since foreever and we have had our times in the dust through out history. now we're decent and ppl are just hating lmao.
The most fun part about tanking in TWW is losing all your keys and having to constantly kill yourself on bosses because people can’t do mechanics at all.
I can't wait for the documentary on how Flame became the King of WoW
Vengeance DH is the only Tank I play. The Mobility is so good. You can survive just fine. Ranking it ass tier is laughable. I'm not saying it's the best Tank right now but it's fun to play. The Hero Trees need a little work well Aldrachi Reaver needs alot of work. I think it is the least played Hero tree in the game Tank or DPS.
Fun tier list and stacking 5 tanks in top 3 tiers and dropping Vengeance in bottom Ass tier I don't get it. That invalidates your whole list to me at minimum it should be in middle tier with Brewmaster.
I dislike Monk because you need 7 action bars to cover the button bloat but I wouldn't put it that low.
u play only vdh, its paper brother compared to s3,s4 in df and i dont feel safe. try prot warrior, prot pala for few dungeons and you will understand
Feel like the brew button bloat isn't as bad as previous versions. But brew and dh are both super fun to me this season
VDH has moments of “I feel really strong” and sudden “I’m so squishy”, it’s kinda weird
More like “I’m god”/“healer sucks”
Give me shaman tank . For the horde.😂
Nice list, I love Blood DK because it plays a bit like a DPS and as a DPS player who wants to tank, it feels good. It's a shame san'layn is so bland because I'd love to play a vampire theme
i think blood DK is one of the funnest tanks atm. Thinking about maining it in season 2
Maining a Tank DH and it is Fun idk... the non Tankyness makes it funny :D live at its limits :D the dps is just nutz in aoe
OK to each his/her own but I do love playing my DH Tank. I love the mobility and the healing they have.
I play all tank classes, main is warr, then druid, monk, dh dk and pala that are the last
this is going to be a stupid question, but after x amount of your videos i still dont know... what are capstones?
The tier of talents at the bottom of the spec talents page. Ideally, they should be the strongest talents, but for BM (as he said), you don't take a single one. The idea of "capstone talents" is actually a remnant from the old talent trees in like BC and Wrath. I would consider convoke vs incarn to be a capstone talent, at the second to bottom, with the row under being modifiers for it.
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if you have a disc who track your cd but prot paladin is always one gcd aways from being deleted
i love prot pal but when i heal nothing terrify me than a FOTM reroller on a prot pal. while a war prot can pull the same while being half asleep
Prot warrior is fun right now, in 11.1 it will be garbage! The devs working over warrior changes needs to stop such garbage decision! Who is seriously thinking that reducing rage generation and again destroy anger management is something that we want!
compared to druid,warrior,prot pal, (most tanky tanks)
vdh is paper, i feel in danger playing vdh, even with spreading defensives.
it felt so good s3,s4 in df, they reworked it to work so good, just to destroy the spec completely in tww.
i understand taking away double grip, silence sigils, but taking away sooo much mitigation,self healing is horrendous, ure PAPER without meta, and needs immediate healer attention whole time without meta or brand
Here is a novel idea....eehhmmm
-Stop nerfing tanks
-Bring all tank specs relatively close to each other so there is no meta tank, ever.
blizzard: lets reduce self sustain of the self sustain tanks (vdh,bdk), and we punish them for the little self sustain left by making their base mitigation PIECE OF PAPER... RESULT: top 450 m+ keys without any vdh,bdk, but brothers in comments are high on too much copium bcs they could tank their 10s for weekly. #justice4vdh
Ret Pally? What's that? I play Prot Pally everywhere I go.
Prot paladin gets dropped a tier for sure because of running oom from its own self sustain. Having to sit a few times through a dungeon to drink is NOT a good feeling.
I feel like blood would be the most "fun" just cause you have immunity to everything
They're not immune to high damage at higher keys. :(
They are immune to being invited in pug
If I get stunlocked on my druid dead
Also if you dont read my comment i wish you and marcelian good christmas days and a happy new year. Be the best content also in 2025❤
Funny is you are also the one who says everytime prot paly is bad because of concentration😂 is this all fixed?
And yea wish they make brewmaster great again 😢 i love my monk but when it gets love its only WW and heal 😅
Merry Christmas to you to homie
Prot War generates a lot of Rage.... until 11.1.... sigh
Yeah. I don't think blizzard has ever nerfed prot warrior rage gen without overnerfing it and banishing them to the tanking basement for at least 12 months. They seem more responsive these days. So while I'm sure they'll overnerf it and generally ruin the class in the short-term, hopefully, they'll fix it more quickly than they traditionally have. Hopefully...
8:00 Prot warrior is tied for most fun, and your argument is that it is also one of the 2 best tanks. Yet you dont want to play it...
Both good and fun, but wont play it = it is NOT both good and fun...
TLS!
I am a fan of Dh but as you said defensive outside meta is dog poo
Bro this is exactly the opposite of fun. This is like a tier list for m+ tankiness. No sane person would enjoy warrior or druid tank over the other classes, you can just play these with a 1 button macro
well
the brewmaster dev is MIA
what the hell blizzard can you please wake up ?
there is MAJOR aggro bug with keg smash and it make pulling packs a nightmare
buff freaking celestial brew because seeing a 10 stack shield getting deleted almost instant is enraging.
our hp and armor is still so damn bad and i dont think i ever changed my talent tree and hero talent because 80% of it is shit
Lol so true. I play a few tanks but enjoy brew the most. Seeing Celestrial brew, a CD shield you have to stack up get dunked on by ignore pain spam is wild to me