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The Black suit a plot suit made to speed up Superman's recover by increasing his absorption rate of solar radiation after he got rekt by Doomsday. So at least Zack using his source material.
Am I the only one who thinks the hooded monster dude isn’t Steppenwolf? I’m guessing the guy who teleports in and grows spikes everywhere is still him, but the hooded one, imo, might be that scientist in Darkseid’s employment. I always forget his name though.
Alec Paiva I like the Drinker’s material mostly but sometimes this cynical material gets old. It’s not toxic to ask for what we were supposed to get. And he’ll hate on the Snyder Cut anyways.
@@MSGLtdProductions he put toxic in quotes. I think he's saying what the media said about the fans. I hope it does well, because it would show that taking time and not rushing a director is better than rushing one. At the very least, it will be a much more beautiful film.
It was released because AT&T doesn’t have “fans” toxic or otherwise. They have customers, paying customers. They also know if you give your customers what they want they will buy your product.
Agreed, they just need something to get people to shell out their money for their service - a big release. Disney+ had The Mandalorian, these guys have the Snyder cut.
I’ve always liked the guy ever since the Tudors way back in the day. I think he’s a great dude and I’m glad he’s getting the attention he deserves. He was great in mission impossible. I’m more stingy now with my money and who I’ll go out and support. I’ll always go support a Henry Cavill project
yah, i kinda feel for all parties involved and the shit situation that whole production was put in. i mean, at least they finished a version of the film?
@@TH3F4LC0Nx I like Snyder I just find his DCEU stuff a mixed/ bad. I want him to do more original work. Even his bad movies, like Sucker Punch, I find a lot more enjoyable.
@@Avarn388 I actually think his DCEU is where he came into his own. Because he did something with superhero characters that hadn't really been done before. Yeah, a lot of people hated it, but then again a lot of great art was initially hated. I maintain that MoS and especially BvS are ripe for reevaluation.
@@ItsMcDude Pretty sure that was just contractors being brought in to make changes then leaving after the contract was up, which happens a *lot* in the industry when you've gotta get a project done and are running out of time to do so.
What SJWs really mean when they say “toxic fans” is actual fans of an IP that are justifiably angry about it being butchered for the sake of petty politics.
"We don't like this cut - we want to see the film the original director, and director of the first two movies, made." Shut up toxic man-babies, how dare you think you're allowed to have a say on this?! -the relationship between fans and modern entertainment journalists, by shion kreth
'Modern entertainment journalists' are just an extension of the Hollywood elite. The suits want to dictate audience tastes and got pissy when people wouldn't swallow their garbage. So, they sent down a decree to their glorified marketing people (journalists) that anyone to goes against the industry narrative is 'toxic'
It would seem that the definition of “toxic fans” has been slowly morphed by Hollywood and journalists from “people who didn’t lavish praise on our film”
Yeah. "You didn't like the absolute low effort confusing studio interfering garbage with terrible visuals? Let me unfairly attempt to discredit you with personal attacks for not liking my horse crap."
@@radegast2346 But wouldn't a much better Star Wars movie, perhaps a rewrite of the Sequel Trilogy done by much better, more competent and far more talented writers be the Ultimate Fuck You to Kathleen Kennedy?
I love the fact that the movie which marks a turning point in the history of cinema is... Sonic The Hedgehog: it'll go down in history as the first time that audience's feedback had an actual effect in the outcome of a movie production.
And that is why he's finished in Hollyweird. He apparenly does not, and will not, kiss the required amount of ass, nor the sacrosant asses (#metoo, BLM)
He looks like a normal dude - play games, build his own PC, read books, doesn't have angry tantrums against movie fans...pretty weird for Hollyweird. :-)
ASHEN ONE Yep. It was the suit he wore when they brought him back in the comics after the doomsday death. If I remember right I think he had a mullet also. lol let me see if I can find a pic.
But here’s the thing Sarina, the theatrical cut of Justice League wasn’t even artistic. It was just a corporate mess and a Frankenstein’s monster with no passion involved behind it or even any merit. I am sorry to all the naysayers but if you call the monstrosity that released in theaters as artistic and call people who want to avoid said films and boycott them as toxic, then I will gladly be toxic and want to burn any trace of those films or products to ashes and start with a new one.
@@sarinat3101 Yeah you were saying the same thing. I made a lapse in my understanding of your comment but I was initially adding to your point as well and not disagreeing with it.
Cool story: when I was stationed at Edwards AFB in 2012, Man of Steel was being shot at different places around the base. Well I worked F-35 test out there and Lockheed Martin/Air Force let the movie use one of our 35s for shooting some scene. Well it was my jet that was used for the shoot so me and a crew of about 8 guys got to go in on Saturday and be in that scene with our jet. We got to hang out with basically the entire cast for like 16 hours on that Saturday. Zack Snyder, Amy Adams, Chris Meloni, Henry Cavill, everyone. It was a cool fucking experience. We almost ran Amy Adams over with an aircraft tug when she tripped running in front of one for a scene. Too bad everything we shot was cut, lol.
Sarah McCrystal free 7 day trial? But the episodes aren’t gonna release all at once tho, they’re gonna release weekly so u can only watch one episode the first 7 days free trial
Some left wing urinalist probably gonna frame it as a "nasty thing to say". Of course, Brie Larson says her movie wasnt made for half the F***** country and she's "brave".
@@lye27 WB owns DC. At the time, the head of DC films was Geoff Johns who was the main person responsible for the extensive reshoots so yeah, it was DC's fault
@@arafat9828 what the actual fuck did you smoke? Geoff Johns was not the one responsible for reshoots, and he did not represent dc because he had quit being the president long time before that. At the current moment he is just a freelancer that works with dc not for dc. Also, DC is the comicbook company, WB makes the movies
Poor old Scotty didn't have a great weekend, did he. You'd think that getting very publicly humiliated by a world renowned director would be bad enough, but then Scotty goes into bat for noncery and perversion and makes that seem like a golden summer afternoon in comparison. I'd step away from the keyboard for a while, Scotty.
"If you listen to your customers, they're more likely to buy your product." so interesting that so many people in Hollywood STILL don't get this simple fact. In my opinion, regardless of the possibility that the movie/series/whatever is going to be good or not (based on what I heard, it's not going to be hard), this "listen to the audience" thing alone should be commended and encouraged. About the "toxic fandom" thing, it's true that there is some degree of toxicity in every fandom, but not all fandom is toxic. Jim Carrey, about the redesign of Sonic, said that fans shouldn't have power on how a movie should be made. He was quickly disproven by Sonic The Movie box office and overall audience response. Should the Sonic original design (now a meme by itself) have been approved and defended at all costs, fan outrage would have exploded and the IHM (Internet Hate Machine) would have moved at full speed, but now everything seems to be right and quiet. Moreover, a sequel has been announced.
Ah my friend, but what you are missing is the fact that WE are no longer the customer they are trying to get. That honor belongs to China and as long as the Chinese spend their money on eyecandy that makes them feel like America without having the actual freedoms of America then they are the ones that the movies are made for. Nice shiny safe movies with lots of product placement and loving governments that would never betray the trust of their people, with none of the complicated plot that might make people think for themselves.
I think you're misunderstanding what Jim's point was. He was kinda speaking out against the very things that turned Snyder's Justice League into Josstice League. The the outspoken criticism of Snyder's DCEU (many of which I do agree with) made WB so nervous about Justice League that they hired Joss to rework it just like how the outspoken criticism of Sonic's original design made the studio so nervous that they decided to remake the design into something something like the games. One just had a better outcome than the other. I think Jim what Jim was trying imply that in most cases the audience shouldn't have the power to rework major aspects of a movie before it's even come out.
Here's a weird/sad thought: DC and Marvel have, since the beginning, been playing two radically different tones for their works (All the way back to the actual print comics) so, when the director who has been doing most of the work for setting the tone for one company had to take a short sabbatical to deal with a death in the family, the EXACT WRONG move would be for that company to hire the director who had done most of the work for setting the tone for the OTHER COMPANY To hastily slap together the puzzle pieces that were already sorted and laid out and instead of making this puzzle of a picture of the Grim Reaper, he makes a picture of kittens... And, it's totally the fans' faults for not just consooming...
@@nachiketh3650 Poor wording, then, he is who people tend to think of when they think of DC movies' directors... Besides Batman, what other major DC movies have there been recently that also came out before Man of Steel?
I'm still holding my breath on KK until we see a Star Wars movie that directly refutes her utterly shit identity politics... It's easy to support diversity without boiling it down to ... what ever the fuck the sequel trilogy was. That shit just needs to be retconned, and hard.
(People wanted Disney to rehire James Gunn) The media: "Wow! What a bunch of dedicated fans!!" (People wanted a director's actual version of a movie to be released) The media: "Wow! These people are as toxic as the most toxic Star Wars fans!!"
@Funk O'Matic In every fandom you are going to get nutters. The people who are calling the Snyder fans toxic are the same people who were mocking, being hateful, making fun of Zack daughter suicide, said it didnt exist and were saying nasty things to this movement for years but there behaviour was not toxic?. Instead of admitting they were wrong now they want to come out of there glass house and start throwing stones. Grace Randolph said the cut existed after the theatrical one came out she said she got so much hate.
I honestly don't even care if the film is good or not. The fact that HBO Max is allowing Zack Snyder's true vision to be released, the studio actively made an attempt to fix the theatrical mess of a movie, and that some of the money raised for this project goes toward the suicide prevention foundation is enough to earn my respect. As for y'all urinalists, you can go watch Brie Larson's "feminist icon" movie if you don't like it
They are doing it solely for the marketing value of it. You're giving the studio too much credit. The same studio which fire Zack after his daughter commited suicide and replaced him without a second thought & released a half ass movie in the first place. I'm not that much of a fan of Zack or his vision, but damn! The studio fucked him upside down and threw him in the sidewalk. He reserved better.
It involves nothing but MONEY, and selling HBO MAX subscription service. They know they will get all that donated money, and then some back for this move. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "fans". The fact that they have to re-film scenes, and film new scenes shows you this didn't exist. There was no Snyder Cut. You can polish a piece of shit all you want, it will still be a piece of shit in the end. This one will just be 4 hours of shit, instead of 2 and a half.
@@Sunkcostfallecy They didn't fire him. He stepped down from the position during his family crisis. The studio did what they could to salvage a film, and hoped that the "Avengers Treatment" would get them there. Not that you can please so-called fans anyway. They were the ones bitching about how dark DC was going in the first place. Then when they reverse course with Justice League, the very same people bitched about the lighter tone.
@@alexubel I agree some parts. But it was clearified that he was fired by the studio because they wanted a big change is the tone of the film & was dissatisfied with his work in JL.
Remember when people were mad that Sony was going to end their relationship with Disney and not have Spiderman in the MCU anymore or when fans were outrage at how Sonic looked in the live action movie? No one seemed to care about how fans reacted to that but as soon as fans wanted to see the directors cut of the Justice League all of a sudden their called "toxic fans"
That's not true at all, people complained about "toxic fans" for the latter and people defended Disney to the death (until they found out that Disney was demanding an even larger share of the profit while they already had a sizeable amount).
I think it was because there were actually a group of actually toxic fans that brought up the snydercut in the most unfortunate of circumstances. for example, literally any news shared by WB twitter was swarmed with #releasethesnydercut including news about people passing away etc. But at the same time, the other 2 things didn't take as long for the studios to respond to the fans so it didn't get to the same level of 'toxic'. I'm happy the snyder cut is happening but there were definitely toxic fans of this movement.
And you've gotta give Snyder some props for using it in the story. It just shows he understands the Superman story. I liken it to the Hulk-buster armor the fans wanted Marvel to show in the Avengers. It's nice to give the fans what they want to see. That's just how you do it.
@@DarkXVenator that would be my interpretation anyway. Makes sense when it's his source of power. Kinda like me using the super charge for my phone rather than the regular charger
Honestly it didn't.....it was years of personal work by him and the others to make it happen. Now if the same fucking thing could be done for that crap-pile The Last Jedi.
@@davidsirmons I know it took effort on his part I'm stating a big reason this is probably happening is because of the lack of public interest in leaving the house right now and them needing a push for their streaming service.
@@bigkmoviesandgames Streaming trends is the reason this was able to happen, but the Snyder Cut decision was actually made before the pandemic. I'm sure the current situation can only solidify their confidence in this decision, and hopefully its success will open the flood gates.
It wasn't the pandemic. It was AT&T buying Warner and seeing how much of a mess they made out of DC movies. The WB execs (like most Hollywood idiots) were too stubborn and prideful to just give people what they want so AT&T just put their foot down. Had the merger not happened, WB probably would have continued to produce such cinematic gems like Bird of Prey and continued to antagonize their audience. All the way to bankruptcy court.
Toxic, incel, Manbabies - Sorry I mean paying customers who support franchises ; 1 Paid journalists - sorry I mean activists who shill for massive corporations ; 0
We raised over half a million dollars in the memory of director's daughter and started the AFSP Autumn Fund , we made banners and hashtags trending we are just passionate and nerdy :)
@@skygameslife2579 no look at the Warner brothers justice league 4K trailer it’s clearly obvious that the trailer was to inform that justice league is the canon version now look at the replies everybody is coming up with ridiculous shit blaming joss whedon that he wanted to destroy dc that there was a spy and every single bullshit even imaginable THAT is toxic I don’t like the “josstice league” at all but that is straight up going to far and hell they are people saying that some of them are marvel fanboys
@@WAyuso34 bruh that comment was 2 months ago lol, and they were like that because then making that trailer was like a slap to the face to everyone so ofc they were pissed
It's fucking ridiculous that there ever came an antagonistic relationship between the fans and the studios to begin with. I'm not an economist but I'm pretty sure the first rule of making money is: *_Don't piss off your customers._*
You hit the nail on the head drinker. “If you listen to your customers, they might be willing to buy your product.” The thing that these artists need to understand, is that the social justice types and those who embolden them are not your customers.
It will be disappointing. I don't know what Snyder needs to do to finally prove to all of you that he sucks. It will be another nail in the coffin for DC. I wish they had just lifted the stories from the Superman Animated Series, just do a live action version of that. The episode where Superman and Batman first meet. There's a movie. The episode where Batman disappears (mind controlled by Braniac) and Superman dresses up as him. There's a movie. Then the Darkseid episodes. That's 2 movies. Then they could start up the Justice League.
they‘re not trying to fix what they did wrong. They‘re trying to earn as much money as possible. Don‘t think for a single second that any corporation is pro-consumer...
I don't think this will fix anything. It will only make the movie bloated and probably excruciating experience to get through. But sure, let's release it and let's see what the hell fans wanted. Maybe after the Snyder cut the original theatrical release will get the appreciation of "yeah, they really tried their hardest to fix this shit".
That menacing antagonist you're talking about is Darkseid. He's basically Thanos if Thanos took steroids and smoked both crystal meth and crack at the same time.
@ yeah. It's like Darkseid is old testament "I dont care do what I say" God and Thanos is more "I'd like you to do what i ask because it's good for you. Please clap" new testament God.
Yh even for marvel fans or people that only know superhero movies from marvel dont even compare him to thanos. They may looks slightly similar but they are different breed of fuckery
This is a commentary on how Hollywood should operate moving forward. Sometimes the fans are correct. Sometimes the fans are wrong. Today, the fans have spoken.
And sometimes the fans are way too full of themselves. Especially going by how awful Snyder's previous DC movies were, how exactly is he going to "fix" Justice League? By adding lots and lots of black and grey colors to make it even uglier?
One year later, fans were right. Zack heard them. The heroes have an arch, the villain is capable, the discussion scene was completely redesign, the story makes sense now.
I mean..... no one's rlly any ones one's fan tbh..... All of us are just customers..... AT&T just happened to be the biggest telecommunications, media and tv provider out there.....
Combing through the things Zack has talked about the unseen plans for his DCEU and being a HUGE fan of Zack and BvS, I'm soooo looking forward to the Snyder Cut and all that Snyder has in store. (God I love DC)
The problem there is that Snyder had his vision taken away from him. The last couple of seasons of Game of Thrones IS what Dumb and Dumber viewed it to be. Thats unless you mean "have GRRM direct it" in which case, maybe, but i want him to finish the books after 10 years...
@@truefalcon6884 True... D&D had no good vision... it seems they just stopped giving a F. I'd suspect IF GRRM finishes the books, there will be another adaptation, but it'll take a while. I'd suspect a decade after ADoS is released.
Game of Thrones needs to rot. It's miserable hell world fiction, where everyone should have been turned into White Walkers with how much the whole damn lot of them spent so much time either murdering each other, or fucking each other, instead of focusing on the actual threat and fighting each other later.
@@FrayAdjacentTX they basically just took what big ideas George likely had and thought "How do we get this done in as few episodes as possible?" And that's what we got. What should have been at least two or three full length seasons in 13 episodes. So yeah, no vision to speak of lol
@@pradeep_sekar i agree . i dont think itll be a 10/10, but i find value in the artist being able to express themselves . i think its pretty f'd up that studios can change whatever they want for mass appeal . that doesnt seem right to me . imo studios have always been diluting material to appeal to masses (black leather x men suits, mouthless deadpool, endgame, origi al sonic design) because they are tasteless money grubby hacks . they think little of their audiences and of their products. the snyder cut means to me a possible future where comic book movies can look like comic books . we are gonna watch em anyway and i find more value in the integrity the expression .
@@hue_jazz59 I'd be happy with a rating of "That wasn't bad. I'd watch it again". I don't see how it won't be better than the theatrical release. The fact that is 4 hours long screams two part movie to me like Zack originally wanted.
@@pradeep_sekar Not all his fault, WB constantly had a hand in derailing his DC projects in favor of making Mock Marvel films because the Marvel Formula was making tons of money. Makes me wonder what else they screwed up in favor of filling their pockets. The Swamp Thing Series being another project Warner Bros canned because the Execs are fucking idiots. The series received great praise from fans and critics alike, but was still canceled because Warner Bros thought it was too dark.
MtnD0 2.0 I dont know about that... MoS, BvS are nothing like marvel. If anything, there was some TDK influence. Ultimately the movies were underwelming
Superman wears a black suit. Batman: "Well one of us has got to change." On The Phone: "Alfred, iron the blue and red suit - I'm sending the flyboy over." :D
Now that you mentioned Sonic: The Hedgehog, I think studios are beginning to realize that listening to your fans has a huge amount of merit. I can't help but think that without what happened with Sonic, we would've never get a Snyder Cut of JL.
Or studios realize outrage is free promotion and intentionally release something shitty so they can be seen as heroes for fixing it, basically doubling profits. Calling it now they will begin to make "alternate cuts" of films just to cash in on the same content twice. Mark my words.
@@BlunderB Exactly. This isn't a fandom finally forcing a corporation to bend to their will. This is a corporation needing a centerpiece for their new streaming service and deciding to exploit fans desires.
@@danielallen3454 Correct this is just the illusion of communication when in reality the corps are still in 100% power and feigning community to "Give them what they want". This is a dangerous road and I think it's the same as video games have gone through. I am really surprised more people don't see this.
Counterpoint: everything about Justice League Theatrical (and Rise of Palpatine) was the result of execs listening to a wide swath of the most vocal customers available. You should only listen to your customers if they're right. Otherwise people who actually like your products will stick to your previous catalog.
The black suit was meant for easily absorbing sunlight to regain his energy they’ll more than likely explain in the movie the only reason why I know that is 2007 death of Superman
How is it people still don't understand there's a precedent for this? And with a Superman movie, no less? I bring you, the Richard Donner Cut of Superman 2.
I just finished the Snyder cut and I enjoyed it. Was it a masterpiece of cinema? No, but it was fun to watch and the ending sequence was amazing! Can't wait for Drinker to do his review!
"This didn't go down well with Zack Snyder fans. And yes this is a thing, apparently." As funny as that is, I am glad that Zack and the fans got what they wanted. Zack really did get stabbed in the back by Warner Brothers and I think he deserves to deliver whatever his "vision" was. While I probably won't like this movie, it definitely has my curiosity.
@@HateshWarkio Every time you hear someone say "we do this for the art, not for the money," instead imagine them saying "we do this for the art, not for the customers."
@Starscream91 you're wrong. Over many years, around the world, tv broadcasts of Superman 2 once in a while had a new scene. Fans wondered what was going on. There were several, now inactive, websites devoted to this. Eventually, this led to a letter writing campaign to WB. Snail mail. Not by using Comic-con, Facebook, Twitter, etc.
Really interesting that they're willing to make this a 4-hour miniseries. People know that these blockbusters often have hours of material on the cutting room floor, and that's why the plot is often such a mess. And now even a major studio is saying "yeah, this would be better as a miniseries instead of 1 awkward movie." Basically admitting their approach (second-guessing their ideas over and over midstream) makes for awful movies. But they know that people will still pay for the theater experience of watching special effects with a crowd, so they feel safe admitting that. It says a lot about what movies have become: a movie isn't *supposed* to tell a good story, that's a miniseries' job. A movie is just supposed to give you a loud dumb rollercoaster ride.
Darkseid is just more popular. Take me for example. I haven't read a single comic in my entire life but I am familiar with a name Darkseid. On the other hand who tf is Blackfire?
@@ericfrolov148 Blackfire is a 2nd rate teen titans villain and Starfire's sister, so the idea to make her the big bad is just stupid, better alternatives would be people like Imperiex. The Aniti-Monitor, Trigon, Neron and many others who aren't Blackfire.
@@ainteasya Never said his vision was good, just said I hope studios learn from this and give directors (hopefully talented ones) more creative freedom.
:21: What was my favorite part? _Superman's eye tracking The Flash._ That was easily my favorite part. Now, if you were to ask me what was my _second_ favorite part? Yeah, I got *nothin'.*
I think the bald one is meant to be Darksied who I recalled was to be in the film originally. Should be pointed out Darksied was made before Thanos by ex marvel writer Jack kirby.
@@ad1170 Thanos was a homage to Kirby's Darkseid. Also, it's kinda pointless to say who came first since both big publishers copied and "took inspiration" in one another a lot.
Rafa Allegretti it’s not really an “Homage” when the writer/artist left on bad terms with Marvel. Especially when one of the many issues was over the failure to credit him for his designs and story. Saying that comics rip off each other all the time doesn’t really address the possible issue that Kirby was screwed out of credits/recognition.
I'm literally 13 minutes into the Snyder Cut version and I know for a fact it's better than the bs put out first. Anyways thought of this video you made as I am watching the 4 hour version of Justic league
"Toxic" meaning?? fighting for a true finished arc for certain characters? fighting for a director who was treated terribly by a film studio after losing his daughter? donating money to suicide prevention using #releasethesnydercut?. Yeah, so toxic! Anyone who thinks these fans are toxic really need to think of the type of human being they are. Yes, within all fan bases there are toxic fans, but the true Snyder cut fans are genuine, nice people fighting for this movie, not bashing another franchises, simply just supporting what they believe in and by doing so has uncovered some very nasty people within the industry.
You can’t call them toxic for being passionate about something they love, but you can’t call them nice either for being Zack Snyder fans. The completion of their favorite characters’ arcs is their chief desire, not suicide prevention. Read your comment; what did you write first?
@@ezioauditore6963 Of course their chief desire was to get the film released, they're not denying that. but they saw something good they could do at the same time. Regardless of the their desire, a lot of money has been raised so what's the problem?
@@Bassman1924 A lot money has been raised. We’re getting a decent Justice League movie (I hope). I have gotten the attention I wanted. It’s just that you could have better ordered the first few lines of your comment.
I've said it before, it's a win/win/win for the Sender cut to be released. Even if it does suck, it will buy subscribers and it will help with fan goodwill at a time when movie companies need it the most.
Cmon, the movie was way worse than a simple mustache. The acting, the lack of character development, bad cgi through the entire movie(cyborg and Steppenwolf).
I'm really excited for this; I'm a big fan of Man of Steel and the extended/proper version of Batman v Superman (some of my favorite superhero movies), so I was horrified by the trainwreck that was Justice League; I couldn't even finish it. Great to be able to get some followup on that anticipated knightmare sequence. Really glad that there are some people out there that still care about their "toxic" fans. And your coverage is always incredibly entertaining XD
@@gatsbygoodwood2575 Look at professional runners. They keep their arms at an angle at their sides, not flopping like noodles when they run. Light speed for Flash is like normal running for everyone else so there's no need for overly dramatic arm movement. If the CW can do it well a big budget movie should have no problems.
Apparently his running is based on some form of ice skating. Guess it helps you run faster for it, but I don't think anyone would care if he ran normally
I'm glad Zach will get to release his vision of the film. Regardless of if I like it or not, he deserves to heal and find strength after the terrible loss he and his family suffered.
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Can you do a review on Black is King?
The Black suit a plot suit made to speed up Superman's recover by increasing his absorption rate of solar radiation after he got rekt by Doomsday. So at least Zack using his source material.
Please do Conan the Barbarian on your recommend/doesnt recommend videos
But Drinker. I ask nicely and say please. :) :)
Am I the only one who thinks the hooded monster dude isn’t Steppenwolf? I’m guessing the guy who teleports in and grows spikes everywhere is still him, but the hooded one, imo, might be that scientist in Darkseid’s employment. I always forget his name though.
How dare Toxic Fans demand *checks notes* a director’s vision for a movie.
Alec Paiva I like the Drinker’s material mostly but sometimes this cynical material gets old. It’s not toxic to ask for what we were supposed to get. And he’ll hate on the Snyder Cut anyways.
@@MSGLtdProductions Where's the cynicism in this video? Did you even watch it? "Toxic" is in quotation marks.
@@MSGLtdProductions he put toxic in quotes. I think he's saying what the media said about the fans.
I hope it does well, because it would show that taking time and not rushing a director is better than rushing one. At the very least, it will be a much more beautiful film.
@@MSGLtdProductions Did you watch the same video as me or are you commenting on the wrong video?
@@MSGLtdProductions He was quoting an article, he didn't call anyone toxic. Your comment is so wrong, you're probably about to delete it.
It was released because AT&T doesn’t have “fans” toxic or otherwise. They have customers, paying customers. They also know if you give your customers what they want they will buy your product.
Hank Hill So how soon before propane replaces gasoline?
That's a great way of putting it.
Correctomundo! Business 101
Agreed, they just need something to get people to shell out their money for their service - a big release. Disney+ had The Mandalorian, these guys have the Snyder cut.
Wait a minute doesn't AT&T own CNN
Well, Henry Cavill said in one of The Witcher interviews: "Fans are not toxic, they are passionate about the things they love"
Henry is one of the smarter, or atleast more down to earth actors out there atm
Why not both?
Leo Kwak It’s both really, being “Toxic” is part of being passionate.
I’ve always liked the guy ever since the Tudors way back in the day. I think he’s a great dude and I’m glad he’s getting the attention he deserves. He was great in mission impossible. I’m more stingy now with my money and who I’ll go out and support. I’ll always go support a Henry Cavill project
He had to say that to pander to the toxic fans.
I believe they played "Hallelujah" as a tribute to Snyder's daughter.
Lets hope it wasn't a tribute to her the first time they played that song in Snyder's movies(Watchmen slow motion owlship sex.)
PH5121 it’s said it was just his daughter’s fav song
yah, i kinda feel for all parties involved and the shit situation that whole production was put in. i mean, at least they finished a version of the film?
That particular version of "Hallelujah" was her favorite song.
It was her favorite song...
Even if the film isn't that good, at least Zack gets his true vision for the film
I for one am actually a fan of Snyder's vision. I think he's a far better director than he gets credit for.
@@TH3F4LC0Nx I like Snyder I just find his DCEU stuff a mixed/ bad. I want him to do more original work. Even his bad movies, like Sucker Punch, I find a lot more enjoyable.
I don't like his filmmaking too much, but I am very happy that people helped him accomplish his vision and i'll definetively watch the movie.
I don't think snyders cut will save this film in any way, however, like you, am glad that his creative vision is let loose in full.
@@Avarn388 I actually think his DCEU is where he came into his own. Because he did something with superhero characters that hadn't really been done before. Yeah, a lot of people hated it, but then again a lot of great art was initially hated. I maintain that MoS and especially BvS are ripe for reevaluation.
The journalists may have been snide, but the director was Snyder.
Ooooh burn!
*Slow clap*
Nice. Go away now. 😄
*starts a standing ovation for you*
*joins in on the standing ovation*
It's been awhile but I still respect those Sonic guys.
Well, I don't think their parent company did, because they were all laid off shortly after fixing everything.
Indeed.
@TheDemonKingDemise I haven't seen it yet it doesn't look great :/
@@ItsMcDude Pretty sure that was just contractors being brought in to make changes then leaving after the contract was up, which happens a *lot* in the industry when you've gotta get a project done and are running out of time to do so.
@Jimmy De'Souza you can in if you bring in enough contractors
SJWs: don't pander to toxic fans.
Studios: those toxic fans are our customers, are you a customer?
SJWs: hell no I don't watch your kind of stuff.
Classis SJWs... power hungry children
I’m a proud sjw and I’ve been gunning for the snyder cut since 2018 :/ superheroes, fans, and sjws, we all just want justice
Toxic fans have cash = SJW's have virtues; people don't pay for films using virtues. (Actually, maybe except by "I want to speak to your manager...")
@@rubix4195 What virtues ? Ow, i go tit, "virtue" signaling. Ok, fake virtues, got it ;)
What SJWs really mean when they say “toxic fans” is actual fans of an IP that are justifiably angry about it being butchered for the sake of petty politics.
"We don't like this cut - we want to see the film the original director, and director of the first two movies, made."
Shut up toxic man-babies, how dare you think you're allowed to have a say on this?!
-the relationship between fans and modern entertainment journalists, by shion kreth
'Modern entertainment journalists' are just an extension of the Hollywood elite. The suits want to dictate audience tastes and got pissy when people wouldn't swallow their garbage. So, they sent down a decree to their glorified marketing people (journalists) that anyone to goes against the industry narrative is 'toxic'
Don't forget to shove in the buzz words "right-wing", "white supremacist", and "Trump-supporting".
The Zack Snyder tweet to that "journalist" is probably the best twitter reply I've seen in a long time.
Yeah sure xD
What did he say?
Link?
@@jonbaxter2254 It's at 9:55
About time someone has the balls to push back. I respect that
Studio: "The Snyder Cut doesn't exist."
Fans: "You lie!"
Studio: "We lied, Sorry. Here's your movie."
=^[.]^=
(unrelated comment) We've all been there, mates.
Sounds like Bethesda dialogue.
To be fair when it costs 50 million dollars to finish it really DID NOT exist
MattAlbie exactly tho
@@rofyle Bethesda is more "we lied, fuck you give us $100 extra for basic features every other game has"
"Aquaman on the other hand is busy getting drunk and throwing himself shirtless into the ocean.
We've all been there mates !!"
-The Critical Drinker
Hes not wrong
It would seem that the definition of “toxic fans” has been slowly morphed by Hollywood and journalists from “people who didn’t lavish praise on our film”
Disinfectants and pesticides are toxic too.
Always was ...
Yeah. "You didn't like the absolute low effort confusing studio interfering garbage with terrible visuals? Let me unfairly attempt to discredit you with personal attacks for not liking my horse crap."
You should learn what they think n@z1 means
So technically, they should rerelease every movie that people don't like with major fixes, including "Joker", "Man of Steel" "Batman vs Superman".
Now let's see if we can get a Star Wars movie made by someone who actually cares for and respects the franchise and the fans.
I like "Rouge One". I think it was all right.
Leave its corpse as it is,its better that way.
@@radegast2346 But wouldn't a much better Star Wars movie, perhaps a rewrite of the Sequel Trilogy done by much better, more competent and far more talented writers be the Ultimate Fuck You to Kathleen Kennedy?
Lucas had written story treatments for xii, xiii and ix but Disney and Kennedy ditched them for what we actually got
@@IronDragon-2143 Yes, it would, and I'm hopeful it'll happen. The first step is to retcon the mess away, leaving Luke and company untainted.
Who would've thought GIVING THE FANS SOMETHING NOT RIDDLED WITH SOCIAL JUSTICE WOULD MAKE MONEY AND NOT PISS THEM OFF?!?!
I didn't see it but I kinda assumed there was shite writing and unreasonable virtue signalling. Along with crap cgi
Not the social justice league!
I love the fact that the movie which marks a turning point in the history of cinema is... Sonic The Hedgehog: it'll go down in history as the first time that audience's feedback had an actual effect in the outcome of a movie production.
They're not toxic fans, it's their right...
Henry Cavill
He's the greatest person ever for saying that
And that is why he's finished in Hollyweird.
He apparenly does not, and will not, kiss the required amount of ass, nor the sacrosant asses (#metoo, BLM)
He looks like a normal dude - play games, build his own PC, read books, doesn't have angry tantrums against movie fans...pretty weird for Hollyweird. :-)
He’s too good for Hollywood and the media.
I would love to have a beer and hang out with Cavill; he seems like such a great guy.
I would say "hit the gym with" but I think I'd die if i did that
The black suit in the comics is made to help him recover his powers faster.
Black attracts the sun. Never thought of it like that. Cool shit bro
ASHEN ONE
Yep. It was the suit he wore when they brought him back in the comics after the doomsday death. If I remember right I think he had a mullet also. lol let me see if I can find a pic.
@@franciscastiglione5832 I know the one I just didn't know the reason for the black suit but it makes perfect sense 👊🏻
Only if we got the mullet though! One can still dream.
@@claytonbearden7793 lol the mullet is the best bit. Super mullet
Claiming the Snyder cut undermines the previous movie's artistic vision is like saying returning stolen money to a bank is theft.
Ha ha who said that?
But here’s the thing Sarina, the theatrical cut of Justice League wasn’t even artistic. It was just a corporate mess and a Frankenstein’s monster with no passion involved behind it or even any merit.
I am sorry to all the naysayers but if you call the monstrosity that released in theaters as artistic and call people who want to avoid said films and boycott them as toxic, then I will gladly be toxic and want to burn any trace of those films or products to ashes and start with a new one.
@@siddharthkhirwar2351 You clearly don't understand what I said.
@@sarinat3101 Yeah you were saying the same thing. I made a lapse in my understanding of your comment but I was initially adding to your point as well and not disagreeing with it.
Cool story: when I was stationed at Edwards AFB in 2012, Man of Steel was being shot at different places around the base. Well I worked F-35 test out there and Lockheed Martin/Air Force let the movie use one of our 35s for shooting some scene. Well it was my jet that was used for the shoot so me and a crew of about 8 guys got to go in on Saturday and be in that scene with our jet. We got to hang out with basically the entire cast for like 16 hours on that Saturday. Zack Snyder, Amy Adams, Chris Meloni, Henry Cavill, everyone. It was a cool fucking experience. We almost ran Amy Adams over with an aircraft tug when she tripped running in front of one for a scene. Too bad everything we shot was cut, lol.
Damn thats really cool man, at least you got to meet the cast so that's a plus
A win for the customers who pay? What a world we're living in if the commercial relation works as intended??!! I'm triggered now 😡😡😠
But you can get round that by getting a free 7-day trial once the film is released on HBO Max
Sarah McCrystal free 7 day trial? But the episodes aren’t gonna release all at once tho, they’re gonna release weekly so u can only watch one episode the first 7 days free trial
@@sal4731 No but you can wait until they're all released before getting the trial
Sarah McCrystal ohhhh nice 👍🏻
@@sarahmccrystal7313 smartest answee
Zack basically said “this film wasn’t made for you” to a urinalist. Gotta respect that.
Some left wing urinalist probably gonna frame it as a "nasty thing to say".
Of course, Brie Larson says her movie wasnt made for half the F***** country and she's "brave".
I hope it was Scott Mendehlsson.
A urinalist sounds like a terrible job...
@@greebo7857 It was.
@@shigeminotoge4514 Fresh cakes! 👍
This is the first time I've seen a film get an expansion pack.
Cats 2019. It had a week one patch and DLC download.
Check out Superman II The Richard Donner Cut. Pretty much same situation.
Birds of Prey had a title change after its first weekend
You didn't know about Blade Runner?
the sonic movie?
Zach Snyder: Can we delay Jusice league my daughter died
DC: haha no lol
its fucking WB, DC has nothing to do with this crap
@@lye27 WB owns DC. At the time, the head of DC films was Geoff Johns who was the main person responsible for the extensive reshoots so yeah, it was DC's fault
@@arafat9828 DC films is not all of dc. It is more of WB
Whichever, it was fucking heartless execs.
@@arafat9828 what the actual fuck did you smoke? Geoff Johns was not the one responsible for reshoots, and he did not represent dc because he had quit being the president long time before that. At the current moment he is just a freelancer that works with dc not for dc. Also, DC is the comicbook company, WB makes the movies
Scott Mendelson is against it? Now I'm actually interested.
Poor old Scotty didn't have a great weekend, did he. You'd think that getting very publicly humiliated by a world renowned director would be bad enough, but then Scotty goes into bat for noncery and perversion and makes that seem like a golden summer afternoon in comparison. I'd step away from the keyboard for a while, Scotty.
Scott Mendelson is triggered by wholesome studio - fan interactions? Waaaaat?
The Critical Drinker is how I imagine John Constantine would have reviewed movies.
Just add some pauses for some slow drags on a cigarette and a few zippo clicks and you're spot on.
Right On!
This needs more likes haha
He could actually play a version of Constantine tbh.
Tho it has to be in an indie/fan film.
No studio will approach him due to his political opinions.
"My name is The Critical Drinker... asshole. Go away now!"
"If you listen to your customers, they're more likely to buy your product."
so interesting that so many people in Hollywood STILL don't get this simple fact. In my opinion, regardless of the possibility that the movie/series/whatever is going to be good or not (based on what I heard, it's not going to be hard), this "listen to the audience" thing alone should be commended and encouraged.
About the "toxic fandom" thing, it's true that there is some degree of toxicity in every fandom, but not all fandom is toxic. Jim Carrey, about the redesign of Sonic, said that fans shouldn't have power on how a movie should be made. He was quickly disproven by Sonic The Movie box office and overall audience response. Should the Sonic original design (now a meme by itself) have been approved and defended at all costs, fan outrage would have exploded and the IHM (Internet Hate Machine) would have moved at full speed, but now everything seems to be right and quiet. Moreover, a sequel has been announced.
Ah my friend, but what you are missing is the fact that WE are no longer the customer they are trying to get. That honor belongs to China and as long as the Chinese spend their money on eyecandy that makes them feel like America without having the actual freedoms of America then they are the ones that the movies are made for. Nice shiny safe movies with lots of product placement and loving governments that would never betray the trust of their people, with none of the complicated plot that might make people think for themselves.
Hollywood wants you to pay to be brainwashed, they don't care about what (you) want.
I think you're misunderstanding what Jim's point was.
He was kinda speaking out against the very things that turned Snyder's Justice League into Josstice League.
The the outspoken criticism of Snyder's DCEU (many of which I do agree with) made WB so nervous about Justice League that they hired Joss to rework it just like how the outspoken criticism of Sonic's original design made the studio so nervous that they decided to remake the design into something something like the games. One just had a better outcome than the other.
I think Jim what Jim was trying imply that in most cases the audience shouldn't have the power to rework major aspects of a movie before it's even come out.
@@batshineman174 I swear I tried to see Jim's comment by this angle, but I really can't.
You can't be liberal liberal leftie acknowledging market rules and supply and demand and ....
Here's a weird/sad thought: DC and Marvel have, since the beginning, been playing two radically different tones for their works (All the way back to the actual print comics) so, when the director who has been doing most of the work for setting the tone for one company had to take a short sabbatical to deal with a death in the family, the EXACT WRONG move would be for that company to hire the director who had done most of the work for setting the tone for the OTHER COMPANY To hastily slap together the puzzle pieces that were already sorted and laid out and instead of making this puzzle of a picture of the Grim Reaper, he makes a picture of kittens... And, it's totally the fans' faults for not just consooming...
Hallelujah
@@spirosbonis436 Admittedly, I'm not even a fan of Snyder's work, but I can see why doing what DC did would piss off the people who do.
Fyi, synder is definitely not someone who set the tone of DC
@@nachiketh3650 Poor wording, then, he is who people tend to think of when they think of DC movies' directors... Besides Batman, what other major DC movies have there been recently that also came out before Man of Steel?
WB - "We should hire a Director working on a Marvel film to work on a DC film. This can't possibly go wrong."
I want "Captain Marvel: The Critical Drinkers Cut"
She would just get shit faced and fight everyone!!
@@dan8402 Sounds way better than the original, if I'm being honest.
@@Aredel I know right!!!
Captain marvel review it gets smashed hard by the drinker
I was thinking a Drinker fixes for Harley Quinn
Sonic The Hedgehog, the Snyder Cut, Kathleen Clinton Kennedy getting the f out, we shall take these important victories. They will keep coming.
I'm still holding my breath on KK until we see a Star Wars movie that directly refutes her utterly shit identity politics... It's easy to support diversity without boiling it down to ... what ever the fuck the sequel trilogy was. That shit just needs to be retconned, and hard.
It's too late. Kk has infected the studio
@gingersleep ha
The Black Suit was so Superman could absorb as much sunlight as possible.
No, it's not. Zack said its a metaphor for Superman's character arc. LOL
@@cuongtranmanh3794 No. The suit is to absorb sunlight to help give Superman energy. Zack meant that it's involved in his arc.
@@Trojan24 no that's Original stuff everyone knows.
@@cuongtranmanh3794 dude you're wrong
People need to read the Death of Superman graphic novels ....then we'll all agree that the black suit is a super solar panel.
(People wanted Disney to rehire James Gunn)
The media: "Wow! What a bunch of dedicated fans!!"
(People wanted a director's actual version of a movie to be released)
The media: "Wow! These people are as toxic as the most toxic Star Wars fans!!"
Anything Disney related; the media will kiss and pander Disney's golden ass!
@Funk O'Matic I don't see how wanting a director's cut is the same as giving actors and directors death threats
Yep, fans who donated to suicide prevention are apparently toxic.
@@HelloThere-yy6lu Not everything that you do has to be toxic in order to be considered a toxic fan.
@Funk O'Matic In every fandom you are going to get nutters. The people who are calling the Snyder fans toxic are the same people who were mocking, being hateful, making fun of Zack daughter suicide, said it didnt exist and were saying nasty things to this movement for years but there behaviour was not toxic?. Instead of admitting they were wrong now they want to come out of there glass house and start throwing stones. Grace Randolph said the cut existed after the theatrical one came out she said she got so much hate.
Well at least the "toxic" fans did something media journalists can never do: actually changing something for the better
Bro the mcu fans are toxic to dc
@gingersleep none, because you need a real man or a real woman to get anything done.
@@Director_Oompaloompa lol both fandom are toxic to each other
@@vivekkumar-xl9ui i know but are mcu fans actually marvel fans
@@Director_Oompaloompa I don't have specific answer for that but huge criticism to the Mandarin twist, Aou ultron ....I think people know their stuff
I honestly don't even care if the film is good or not. The fact that HBO Max is allowing Zack Snyder's true vision to be released, the studio actively made an attempt to fix the theatrical mess of a movie, and that some of the money raised for this project goes toward the suicide prevention foundation is enough to earn my respect.
As for y'all urinalists, you can go watch Brie Larson's "feminist icon" movie if you don't like it
Couldn't have said it better myself.
They are doing it solely for the marketing value of it. You're giving the studio too much credit.
The same studio which fire Zack after his daughter commited suicide and replaced him without a second thought & released a half ass movie in the first place.
I'm not that much of a fan of Zack or his vision, but damn! The studio fucked him upside down and threw him in the sidewalk. He reserved better.
It involves nothing but MONEY, and selling HBO MAX subscription service. They know they will get all that donated money, and then some back for this move. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "fans". The fact that they have to re-film scenes, and film new scenes shows you this didn't exist. There was no Snyder Cut. You can polish a piece of shit all you want, it will still be a piece of shit in the end. This one will just be 4 hours of shit, instead of 2 and a half.
@@Sunkcostfallecy They didn't fire him. He stepped down from the position during his family crisis. The studio did what they could to salvage a film, and hoped that the "Avengers Treatment" would get them there. Not that you can please so-called fans anyway. They were the ones bitching about how dark DC was going in the first place. Then when they reverse course with Justice League, the very same people bitched about the lighter tone.
@@alexubel
I agree some parts.
But it was clearified that he was fired by the studio because they wanted a big change is the tone of the film & was dissatisfied with his work in JL.
Apparently Snyder’s choice to play “Hallelujah” was not just a celebration of its release, but it was a deeply personal song for him and his family
His daughters fav song apparently
Snyder also used it in a scene in his Watchmen movie.
@@jefflampert6336 oh yeah, it's all coming together.
@@WillWilliams420 like the scene in Watchmen that played the song ; )
@@lucaspoon4202 yall dont find it weird he added his daughters favorite song in a sex scene? lol
Remember when people were mad that Sony was going to end their relationship with Disney and not have Spiderman in the MCU anymore or when fans were outrage at how Sonic looked in the live action movie? No one seemed to care about how fans reacted to that but as soon as fans wanted to see the directors cut of the Justice League all of a sudden their called "toxic fans"
So toxic...
Exactly, the double standards is hilarious. This needs more likes.
That's not true at all, people complained about "toxic fans" for the latter and people defended Disney to the death (until they found out that Disney was demanding an even larger share of the profit while they already had a sizeable amount).
This is part of a greater political movement to shame people.
I think it was because there were actually a group of actually toxic fans that brought up the snydercut in the most unfortunate of circumstances. for example, literally any news shared by WB twitter was swarmed with #releasethesnydercut including news about people passing away etc. But at the same time, the other 2 things didn't take as long for the studios to respond to the fans so it didn't get to the same level of 'toxic'. I'm happy the snyder cut is happening but there were definitely toxic fans of this movement.
The black suit Superman wears was to aid his regeneration to full strength after coming back from the dead.
And you've gotta give Snyder some props for using it in the story. It just shows he understands the Superman story. I liken it to the Hulk-buster armor the fans wanted Marvel to show in the Avengers. It's nice to give the fans what they want to see. That's just how you do it.
Yeah, i doubt the drinker has much knowledge on the comic book universe. So just excuse his ignorance.
Is it based on black absorbing the entire color spectrum? In other words most effectively using the sun to heal?
@@DarkXVenator that would be my interpretation anyway. Makes sense when it's his source of power. Kinda like me using the super charge for my phone rather than the regular charger
Because the color black absorbs more light, therefor absorbing the radiation with that light. I never thought of it that way
I'm glad it's happening. I just wish it didn't take a pandemic to get it.
Honestly it didn't.....it was years of personal work by him and the others to make it happen. Now if the same fucking thing could be done for that crap-pile The Last Jedi.
@@davidsirmons
I know it took effort on his part I'm stating a big reason this is probably happening is because of the lack of public interest in leaving the house right now and them needing a push for their streaming service.
@@bigkmoviesandgames Streaming trends is the reason this was able to happen, but the Snyder Cut decision was actually made before the pandemic. I'm sure the current situation can only solidify their confidence in this decision, and hopefully its success will open the flood gates.
@@gemris
Yeah hopefully.
It wasn't the pandemic. It was AT&T buying Warner and seeing how much of a mess they made out of DC movies. The WB execs (like most Hollywood idiots) were too stubborn and prideful to just give people what they want so AT&T just put their foot down. Had the merger not happened, WB probably would have continued to produce such cinematic gems like Bird of Prey and continued to antagonize their audience. All the way to bankruptcy court.
Can we get do-overs for Westworld S2+3 and also Game of Thrones S7-12?
Game of Thrones had 12 seasons?
Doctor who as well
Doctor who as well
And new star wars trilogy
Dr Doom
Martin said there could have been 12 seasons but the showrunners half-assed it and accelerated to the conclusion.
"BaTmAn AnD sUpErMaN kIsS In ThE eNd Of SnYdEr CuT"
Journalist:"Here's 10 reason why we need snyder cut"
😳
Toxic, incel, Manbabies - Sorry I mean paying customers who support franchises ; 1
Paid journalists - sorry I mean activists who shill for massive corporations ; 0
This
People pay money to have fun. Not feel like mom just yelled at them for something that isn't their fault. Movies are supposed to be fun.
I never noticed how insanely huge Joss' forehead was before this.
Because he is such a genius! (JL aside lol)
What does that have to do with anything?
@@tivednagol9127 A lot.
Caboose, like what?
@@tivednagol9127 A lot.
We raised over half a million dollars in the memory of director's daughter and started the AFSP Autumn Fund , we made banners and hashtags trending we are just passionate and nerdy :)
Yessir😈😈
But we're "toxic fans" for supporting him and pushing WB to give Zack a chance
@@skygameslife2579 no look at the Warner brothers justice league 4K trailer it’s clearly obvious that the trailer was to inform that justice league is the canon version now look at the replies everybody is coming up with ridiculous shit blaming joss whedon that he wanted to destroy dc that there was a spy and every single bullshit even imaginable THAT is toxic I don’t like the “josstice league” at all but that is straight up going to far and hell they are people saying that some of them are marvel fanboys
@@WAyuso34 bruh that comment was 2 months ago lol, and they were like that because then making that trailer was like a slap to the face to everyone so ofc they were pissed
@@skygameslife2579 well yeah but they need to remember zack synder justice league was a one time thing
It's fucking ridiculous that there ever came an antagonistic relationship between the fans and the studios to begin with.
I'm not an economist but I'm pretty sure the first rule of making money is:
*_Don't piss off your customers._*
No thats the first rule of customer relations
Blame the former WB bosses for being such stupid arseholes and completely fuking up a cinematic universe
You hit the nail on the head drinker. “If you listen to your customers, they might be willing to buy your product.” The thing that these artists need to understand, is that the social justice types and those who embolden them are not your customers.
Yeah, not expecting that it'll be a masterpiece. But glad it is being made.
And it being a 4 hour mini-series... Actually looking forwards to that.
At least it will be a unified vision. The theatrical cut was filled with constant tone whiplash.
Exactly this. even if the movie bombs, at least they are trying to fix what they did wrong
And getting paid twice to boot! Nothing wrong with that!
Zapp Zarathustra lmfaoo
It will be disappointing. I don't know what Snyder needs to do to finally prove to all of you that he sucks. It will be another nail in the coffin for DC. I wish they had just lifted the stories from the Superman Animated Series, just do a live action version of that. The episode where Superman and Batman first meet. There's a movie. The episode where Batman disappears (mind controlled by Braniac) and Superman dresses up as him. There's a movie. Then the Darkseid episodes. That's 2 movies. Then they could start up the Justice League.
they‘re not trying to fix what they did wrong. They‘re trying to earn as much money as possible. Don‘t think for a single second that any corporation is pro-consumer...
I don't think this will fix anything.
It will only make the movie bloated and probably excruciating experience to get through.
But sure, let's release it and let's see what the hell fans wanted.
Maybe after the Snyder cut the original theatrical release will get the appreciation of "yeah, they really tried their hardest to fix this shit".
This was more positive than I was expecting. Kinda refreshing.
That menacing antagonist you're talking about is Darkseid. He's basically Thanos if Thanos took steroids and smoked both crystal meth and crack at the same time.
Nah that’d be if terrax did that
@ yeah. It's like Darkseid is old testament "I dont care do what I say" God and Thanos is more "I'd like you to do what i ask because it's good for you. Please clap" new testament God.
Yh even for marvel fans or people that only know superhero movies from marvel dont even compare him to thanos. They may looks slightly similar but they are different breed of fuckery
We won't be seeing Darkseid in this film, he's got his own film in the making.
@@tastygravy6880 And you know this...how? Proof please!
As someone who has been actively bitching for the release of the Snyder Cut, it feels great to get a win for once.
Honestly, I can't congratulate you. All you're doing is releasing one more shitty movie into the world.
@@r0bw00d Pffft okay buddy go watch more Marvel and play fortnite
Actual toxic whingers criticising ‘toxic’ fanboys.... if only there was a term to describe this anomaly....
Lol
Welcome to the real world. They piss off good people to bring out the worst in them and then they play the victim.
This is a commentary on how Hollywood should operate moving forward. Sometimes the fans are correct. Sometimes the fans are wrong. Today, the fans have spoken.
And sometimes the fans are way too full of themselves. Especially going by how awful Snyder's previous DC movies were, how exactly is he going to "fix" Justice League? By adding lots and lots of black and grey colors to make it even uglier?
@@GeneralKenobi75 you could just mind your business
no thanks. The last thing I want is a DLC strategy version for cinema.
@@Nyagee I'm free to express my opinion here.
@@GeneralKenobi75 They're also free to criticize your opinion.
It’s weird how people who don’t pay to see these movies govern how they are made and who they pander to
You vote with your wallet, is it clicking in your degenerated brain yet?
You're in the wrong channel.
@@shadowdctr Same lot that is behind hollyweird is behind the banking system. Your money doesn't matter. Click, click.
@@stephenobrien6983 are you that afraid of saying jews? And yea, the money counts.
Watafu i’ll go on whatever channel I please
2:30 Hallelujah was actually played there because it was Zack Snyder’s daughter Autumn’s favourite song. It’s also played in the credits of the film
That was a compliment to Zack.
One year later, fans were right. Zack heard them.
The heroes have an arch, the villain is capable, the discussion scene was completely redesign, the story makes sense now.
And it still managed to be forgettable.
@@VictorVonDoomDoom and yet here u are on a video discussing about it just 12 days ago
AT&T: I mean we can’t lose fans we don’t have, amirite?!
I mean..... no one's rlly any ones one's fan tbh..... All of us are just customers..... AT&T just happened to be the biggest telecommunications, media and tv provider out there.....
Félix Gallardo ... it. was. a. joke. 😑
@@ashleytupper6049 I was just being practical😂
@Comal Prashad wait, didn't they just buy the damn company, now they just wanna get rid of it again?
@@normansmith9009 Yep, apparently AT&T don’t want to continue owning a film studio that keeps losing billions.
Combing through the things Zack has talked about the unseen plans for his DCEU and being a HUGE fan of Zack and BvS, I'm soooo looking forward to the Snyder Cut and all that Snyder has in store. (God I love DC)
9:55 The same Scott Mendelson that defended Netflix's Cuties....
It would be him wouldn't it
My hatred for sand is greater than any jedi before me.
Than*
Oh, yeah.... Lol
Do you hate padme when she's done taking a soak at the beach?
You're NOT a Mary Sue. Don't let anyone say it to you.
@@persona83 thank you
“Take note Lucasfilm” that hits hard. What a waste of 3 movies
Not the mention it was the last chance to have original trio back together for one last adventure and they fucked up.
I personally like 2/3 of the squeals but the squeals are the worst
Still better than any DCEU garbage.
@@jasontorrens626 nah
I submit for your consideration: Netflix’es trailer for “Cuties.”
Good luck, mate.
There are some places even the brave shouldn't go.
@@GodEmperorOfDune747 I second that
@@Dimmary I third that
@elijahthesamurai Fifth.
I’ll take a cutie with a halo.
Now we need a "Snyder Cut" of the last couple of seasons of Game of Thrones!!
The problem there is that Snyder had his vision taken away from him.
The last couple of seasons of Game of Thrones IS what Dumb and Dumber viewed it to be.
Thats unless you mean "have GRRM direct it" in which case, maybe, but i want him to finish the books after 10 years...
@@truefalcon6884 True... D&D had no good vision... it seems they just stopped giving a F.
I'd suspect IF GRRM finishes the books, there will be another adaptation, but it'll take a while. I'd suspect a decade after ADoS is released.
Game of Thrones needs to rot. It's miserable hell world fiction, where everyone should have been turned into White Walkers with how much the whole damn lot of them spent so much time either murdering each other, or fucking each other, instead of focusing on the actual threat and fighting each other later.
@@FrayAdjacentTX they basically just took what big ideas George likely had and thought "How do we get this done in as few episodes as possible?" And that's what we got. What should have been at least two or three full length seasons in 13 episodes.
So yeah, no vision to speak of lol
Unfortunately, those were the original writers who just gave up and rushed. That was their vision.
But drinker you beacon of hope and courage during these times of “snowflake and safe space”.
Shouldn’t we give the film a chance at least.
Dank Meme its just that Zack Snyder's DC record has been a mixed bag...
@@pradeep_sekar i agree . i dont think itll be a 10/10, but i find value in the artist being able to express themselves . i think its pretty f'd up that studios can change whatever they want for mass appeal . that doesnt seem right to me .
imo studios have always been diluting material to appeal to masses (black leather x men suits, mouthless deadpool, endgame, origi al sonic design) because they are tasteless money grubby hacks . they think little of their audiences and of their products. the snyder cut means to me a possible future where comic book movies can look like comic books . we are gonna watch em anyway and i find more value in the integrity the expression .
@@hue_jazz59 I'd be happy with a rating of "That wasn't bad. I'd watch it again". I don't see how it won't be better than the theatrical release. The fact that is 4 hours long screams two part movie to me like Zack originally wanted.
@@pradeep_sekar
Not all his fault, WB constantly had a hand in derailing his DC projects in favor of making Mock Marvel films because the Marvel Formula was making tons of money.
Makes me wonder what else they screwed up in favor of filling their pockets.
The Swamp Thing Series being another project Warner Bros canned because the Execs are fucking idiots.
The series received great praise from fans and critics alike, but was still canceled because Warner Bros thought it was too dark.
MtnD0 2.0 I dont know about that... MoS, BvS are nothing like marvel. If anything, there was some TDK influence. Ultimately the movies were underwelming
Superman wears a black suit.
Batman: "Well one of us has got to change."
On The Phone: "Alfred, iron the blue and red suit - I'm sending the flyboy over."
:D
Now that you mentioned Sonic: The Hedgehog, I think studios are beginning to realize that listening to your fans has a huge amount of merit. I can't help but think that without what happened with Sonic, we would've never get a Snyder Cut of JL.
Or studios realize outrage is free promotion and intentionally release something shitty so they can be seen as heroes for fixing it, basically doubling profits. Calling it now they will begin to make "alternate cuts" of films just to cash in on the same content twice. Mark my words.
@@BlunderB Exactly. This isn't a fandom finally forcing a corporation to bend to their will. This is a corporation needing a centerpiece for their new streaming service and deciding to exploit fans desires.
@@danielallen3454 Correct this is just the illusion of communication when in reality the corps are still in 100% power and feigning community to "Give them what they want". This is a dangerous road and I think it's the same as video games have gone through. I am really surprised more people don't see this.
4 hours sounds great. The theatrical cut was so rushed and empty, the story needs a lot more time for its characters.
Calling people "toxic fans" is like saying "I don't want your easy money"
Counterpoint: everything about Justice League Theatrical (and Rise of Palpatine) was the result of execs listening to a wide swath of the most vocal customers available. You should only listen to your customers if they're right. Otherwise people who actually like your products will stick to your previous catalog.
If you're in the industry you need to be able to tell the voices that are representative from those who are just loud. Otherwise change careers.
The black suit was meant for easily absorbing sunlight to regain his energy they’ll more than likely explain in the movie the only reason why I know that is 2007 death of Superman
I’m just here to say WE WON. we all won
We won the battle not the war
How is it people still don't understand there's a precedent for this? And with a Superman movie, no less?
I bring you, the Richard Donner Cut of Superman 2.
the counter argument is the special edition of New Hope (but I am glad this is getting made)
I just finished the Snyder cut and I enjoyed it. Was it a masterpiece of cinema? No, but it was fun to watch and the ending sequence was amazing! Can't wait for Drinker to do his review!
Dec 22, and I finally saw it, and with very low/no real expectations I was quite wowed and enjoyed it.
"This didn't go down well with Zack Snyder fans. And yes this is a thing, apparently."
As funny as that is, I am glad that Zack and the fans got what they wanted. Zack really did get stabbed in the back by Warner Brothers and I think he deserves to deliver whatever his "vision" was. While I probably won't like this movie, it definitely has my curiosity.
i think the same but i am certain what we are getting will be a big upgrade from the justice league we got
Agreed,i just hope they don't keep Snyder around after this. Or at least keep him away from Superman,give him Batman,he's good with Batman.
Jammy Gamer it’s something new and different
This cut is just a way to make money from that curiosity.
That backhanded insult to both snyder and his fans haha. People really despise them, don't they...
You said everything perfectly, Drinker. “listen to the fans/customers” it’s as easy as that. Thank you for your video.
You do realize they are doing that only so they could cash in on the movie second time, right?
@@HateshWarkio Every time you hear someone say "we do this for the art, not for the money," instead imagine them saying "we do this for the art, not for the customers."
There's a bigger example before Sonic.
Richard Donner's Superman 2.
The way Richard Donner was treated will make you mad.
And I think it took something like 30 years or so before it was finished and released?
@@TheKazragore Yes. There's a video on youtube that compares the Donner Cut and Snyder Cut ordeals.
@Starscream91 you're wrong. Over many years, around the world, tv broadcasts of Superman 2 once in a while had a new scene. Fans wondered what was going on. There were several, now inactive, websites devoted to this. Eventually, this led to a letter writing campaign to WB. Snail mail. Not by using Comic-con, Facebook, Twitter, etc.
Donner thanking the fans for their movement: ruclips.net/video/Ye-m6nI35Pw/видео.html
Comparing the Donner and Snyder ordeals: ruclips.net/video/iDDOXk-rib0/видео.html
Really interesting that they're willing to make this a 4-hour miniseries.
People know that these blockbusters often have hours of material on the cutting room floor, and that's why the plot is often such a mess. And now even a major studio is saying "yeah, this would be better as a miniseries instead of 1 awkward movie." Basically admitting their approach (second-guessing their ideas over and over midstream) makes for awful movies.
But they know that people will still pay for the theater experience of watching special effects with a crowd, so they feel safe admitting that. It says a lot about what movies have become: a movie isn't *supposed* to tell a good story, that's a miniseries' job. A movie is just supposed to give you a loud dumb rollercoaster ride.
Well now it will be a full 4 hours length film. Interesting and exciting
The Snyder Cut is what you get when you let a good director do what they're best at: make a good movie.
28 seconds ago uploaded. It's so fresh. As fresh as me and the drinker on a sunday afternoon sipping our beer.
Sunday? Which country are you living in?
Sipping. It's all out chugging at that point.
It'll happen one day
@@TheCriticalDrinker I am sure it will.
Oh noes, how dare people who pay for entertainment make demands about said entertainment.
*Sees people rallying for the Snyder Cut*
Me: Men are still good.
Bruh👀
Maybe I’m just dumb, but isn’t that big bad guy with the symbol on his chest Darkseid?
Darkseid is just more popular. Take me for example. I haven't read a single comic in my entire life but I am familiar with a name Darkseid. On the other hand who tf is Blackfire?
@@ericfrolov148 Blackfire is a 2nd rate teen titans villain and Starfire's sister, so the idea to make her the big bad is just stupid, better alternatives would be people like Imperiex. The Aniti-Monitor, Trigon, Neron and many others who aren't Blackfire.
Usax!
@Ricky Shiffer Blackfire? You talkin' about Starfire's sister?
@Ricky Shiffer Isn't Blackfire Starfire's evil sister?
I can only hope studios learn from this that people want to see a directors true vision and not a watered-down corporate product.
Wasn't sucker punch his vision? Yikes!
@@ainteasya Never said his vision was good, just said I hope studios learn from this and give directors (hopefully talented ones) more creative freedom.
Last time I Flashed a comment this fast since Ezra “choke me harder” Miller was still working
Ouch
He would have saved Iris by choking her.
:21: What was my favorite part? _Superman's eye tracking The Flash._ That was easily my favorite part.
Now, if you were to ask me what was my _second_ favorite part? Yeah, I got *nothin'.*
I wonder if flash has a personality in this cut. That would be pretty epic.
Many things are possible.
This may not be.
Migraine Gainn looks like he does. No more one liners.
@@AD34022 sadly, no amount of editing can fix those floopy spaghetti arms when he's running tho 😉
I wonder if he learns the biomecanics of realistic running throughout the movie
@@andres91cr probably not.
Does anyone else find themselves trying to say "go away now" like the drinker does and fail? I just can't do it with my accent
Try whiskey. A lot of whiskey.
Accent?
Your name is jackson, so i assume you reside in north america.
I'm here too and i cang say ot very well either.
"Mom, can we have a Thanos?"
"No, we have Thanos at home."
*Steppinwolf at home*
I think the bald one is meant to be Darksied who I recalled was to be in the film originally.
Should be pointed out Darksied was made before Thanos by ex marvel writer Jack kirby.
@@ad1170 that was uxas, name of the darkseid before he became darkseid.... before he had the omega power in apokolips.
ad1170 thanos eventually outgrew that, replaced by terrax
@@ad1170 Thanos was a homage to Kirby's Darkseid. Also, it's kinda pointless to say who came first since both big publishers copied and "took inspiration" in one another a lot.
Rafa Allegretti it’s not really an “Homage” when the writer/artist left on bad terms with Marvel. Especially when one of the many issues was over the failure to credit him for his designs and story.
Saying that comics rip off each other all the time doesn’t really address the possible issue that Kirby was screwed out of credits/recognition.
I'm literally 13 minutes into the Snyder Cut version and I know for a fact it's better than the bs put out first. Anyways thought of this video you made as I am watching the 4 hour version of Justic league
"Toxic" meaning?? fighting for a true finished arc for certain characters? fighting for a director who was treated terribly by a film studio after losing his daughter? donating money to suicide prevention using #releasethesnydercut?. Yeah, so toxic! Anyone who thinks these fans are toxic really need to think of the type of human being they are. Yes, within all fan bases there are toxic fans, but the true Snyder cut fans are genuine, nice people fighting for this movie, not bashing another franchises, simply just supporting what they believe in and by doing so has uncovered some very nasty people within the industry.
You can’t call them toxic for being passionate about something they love, but you can’t call them nice either for being Zack Snyder fans. The completion of their favorite characters’ arcs is their chief desire, not suicide prevention. Read your comment; what did you write first?
@@ezioauditore6963 Of course their chief desire was to get the film released, they're not denying that. but they saw something good they could do at the same time. Regardless of the their desire, a lot of money has been raised so what's the problem?
@@Bassman1924 A lot money has been raised. We’re getting a decent Justice League movie (I hope). I have gotten the attention I wanted.
It’s just that you could have better ordered the first few lines of your comment.
@@ezioauditore6963 wrote in order of action?
Dude you are toxic
I've said it before, it's a win/win/win for the Sender cut to be released. Even if it does suck, it will buy subscribers and it will help with fan goodwill at a time when movie companies need it the most.
The movie will improve 50 percent if they remove the scene with Henry's digitally altered face
It’s all through the movie dude.
@@thefonzkiss you know wich scene I'm talking about
ZS has said he won't use any footage from the reshoots, so that means no hidden contractually obligated mission impossible mustache.
From what iv heard that scene isn't gonna be in it. Thank fuck
Cmon, the movie was way worse than a simple mustache. The acting, the lack of character development, bad cgi through the entire movie(cyborg and Steppenwolf).
Man, everyone is gonna have a blast figuring out how to watch this without buying HBO MAX.
It was easy to sneak around Disney+...this won’t be any different.
I think we’re gonna get a Blu-ray release
ngl HBO max is actually the only other straming service I would pay for besides Netflix......
Félix Gallardo I already pay for HBO. Why the hell would I pay for it again?
@@jackson.2171 U don't have to.... It's gonna be free for most subscribers of HBO....
I think everybody knows that it will not be a masterpiece, but man, we sure expect to finally see Snyders' vision come true!
Ever since I binged a bunch of the Drinker's videos, I gotta say his laugh his the best bit in all of his videos. So perfectly articulated.
"Instead of a badly rendered villain from a low budget PS2 game"
Haha! I nearly spat my beer over my keyboard when I heard that one. Classic.
I'm really excited for this; I'm a big fan of Man of Steel and the extended/proper version of Batman v Superman (some of my favorite superhero movies), so I was horrified by the trainwreck that was Justice League; I couldn't even finish it. Great to be able to get some followup on that anticipated knightmare sequence. Really glad that there are some people out there that still care about their "toxic" fans. And your coverage is always incredibly entertaining XD
I still hate the way Flash flails his arms around when he runs.
Fr he looks dumb af. I can’t describe it... it just looks... wrong...
@@gatsbygoodwood2575
Look at professional runners. They keep their arms at an angle at their sides, not flopping like noodles when they run. Light speed for Flash is like normal running for everyone else so there's no need for overly dramatic arm movement. If the CW can do it well a big budget movie should have no problems.
Apparently his running is based on some form of ice skating. Guess it helps you run faster for it, but I don't think anyone would care if he ran normally
I like it. The man runs at the speed of light, but you draw the line when he starts running a bit wierd. I dont get it.
Agreed it is fing annoying and extremely effeminate
".. Well, Hypothetical Person that I use as a prop to get my POINT across...." 👌! 😂 😂 😂 🤣🤣🤣
I'm glad Zach will get to release his vision of the film. Regardless of if I like it or not, he deserves to heal and find strength after the terrible loss he and his family suffered.