Big respect to Craig for continuously helping the 🍪 monster. This build is so interesting, I can't wait to see more, but can we get some V1TeN updates whilst we wait please.
With everything that's going on, and all the bad news we're receiving from UK regarding the covid situation, it's so good to see you guys working hard and smiling.
The one litter tray was place in ‘upside down’ compared a to the other 3, don’t know if that makes a difference Jay? Bottom right one was different looking from the flywheel end. Looking later on. In the video you might have corrected it already, it was hard to see.
the 88mm is an excellent piece , will last for years and will make all the boost you want as long as you are under 400 cid. It should come on strong by 3000 rpm. the smaller turbo is to small on the EX side , and will limit the rpm
I'd love to go on a long trip with Uncle Craig, just to listen to him talk about "stuff". I vote the bigger turbo, because well, size matters apparently!
I would take the larger one and go with a slightly smaller back end. The smaller one can give you 1000whp just it will need to work harder to get there. The back pressure will be noticably high but it will get there lol
now jay looks like you owe craig a few beers and a chineesium tap. run the bigger turbo and use the new turbosmart electronic waste gate and control it with the ecu then you should be able to control exhaust bleed off electronically so in theory less lag or no lag cheers from down under
Hay Jay have you resolved whether to use Holley(High Ram or mid rise ram) self learning or what alternitive self learning system ?(or will thier be custom tuning?) Was my contact information for a shop that has built a 1000HP turbo 5.3L LS helpfull or do you have a fairly definite path figured out ?
Yeah I ordered a Holley a Terminator X it turned up on Monday so hopefully it’ll be as simple as it’s supposed to be. It should start and drive but will still need tuning when it’s time to add the big boost.
With a "healthy" dose of boost and e85 the 71mm will do the job. 88mm is a very big jump up. Why not sell both and get something around an 80mm, GTX45?
@@JayDontGotThis I was able to find plenty of information on the turbo on the left based on the center section tag. It's a Borg Warner S400SX4-75 (PN:171702), otherwise known as an S475. Seems to be a very popular Turbo with the LS crowd. I'd be curious to see the tag on the center section of the other turbo in order to get all the specs. S475 Spec Sheet: cdn.borgwarner.com/docs/default-source/iam/boosting-technologies/s400sx4.pdf?sfvrsn=549f8f3c_2 Personally, I'd start with the S475 with the 1.32 AR (over the S471 with 1.0 AR) for 2 reasons. The first is that a single 71mm turbo is likely a bit to small to meet your power goal. A quick look around the net shows the rampant popularity of single 76mm turbos on street driven LS's, and based on what I've seen they aren't noticeably laggy. The second reason is that your S475's current exhaust housing has a T6 inlet and a 5" V-band outlet flange. I'd be worried about the T4 turbine inlet flange and the smaller (4"?) exhaust flange son the S471 creating too much back pressure and decreasing total power. If the 1.32 AR housing doesn't spool fast enough for your liking, you could swap to the 1.15 AR housing (PN: 14961019007) for $225 + shipping and likely pickup a several hundred RPM of spool time. Hot Rod Magazine did a good write up on a very similar turbos on a built 6.0 LS. www.hotrod.com/articles/borg-warner-turbo-shootout-size-matters/ A S475 with a 1.0 AR made 878 hp and 804 lb-ft of torque with just 11.3 psi. The S480 with a 1.25 AR made 977 hp and 807 lb-ft at 12.9 psi. Spool time on both were very reasonable. Dyno charts: www.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/2018/08/017-power-torque-curves-turbos.jpg Boost curces: www.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/2018/08/018-borg-warner-turbo-boost-ls-trickflow.jpg Best of luck!
Neal Shelton thanks for that I’m no turbo expert at all. It’s all quite new to me I put a T25 on a corolla years ago and that’s about all the experience I have. If this is what the call the S475 then that’s what I’ll use. Interestingly though the small one I think is part number 177101 which is also rated at 500-1050hp I’ve no idea what I’m looking at when it comes to compressor maps so why not just use the little one? Is it just the worry about back pressure from the 1.01 housing and having the watergate struggle to control the boost?
Another option would be a bigger exhaust housing on the 471 something like this turbozentrum.co.uk/BorgWarner-AirWerks-turbine-housing-S400SX-S400SX3-83mm-T4-twinscroll-125ar-177105 Any pro’s to that over just using the bigger one?
@@JayDontGotThis Well that's an interesting development, the 177101 is otherwise known as the S400SX3-75. That means that both turbos are actually S475s. On paper, the primary difference between the SX3 and SX4 is the use of a smaller turbine wheel, housing, and flanges. From what I'm able to find, the compressor wheels should be interchangeable, though I'm unable to find the part numbers for the housings to confirm. You do appear to have a drilled (and presumably older) anti-surge housing design on the 171702 and a billet compressor wheel on the 177101. I'm still thoroughly confused by the exhaust housing on the 177101. It looks like it started life as some form of OEM turbo with provisions for either some form of pedestal mounting, integral waste-gate, or VGT. I'm still thinking the best solution would be to use the 171702. In theory, it should be possible to use the billet compressor wheel and potentially newer housing off of the 177101 on the center section and hot side of the 171702. In regards to the 1.01 housing, there is a chance you'll have issues holding boost at high RPM (though I don't know that for certain). Boost creep shouldn't be an issue as long as you have the correct size waste-gate(s). I definitely suggest you to seek the assistant of a professional at this point. I've used up pretty much all of my google-fu and amateur garage tuner knowledge. It's also probably worth measuring the compressor and turbine wheels on both turbos to confirm that you have the turbos you think you have since there is a chance they were both Frankenstein-ed together.
Realistically the engine is about £3500 - £4000 including buying it. 20 whatever % of that is just paying the government for letting me buy things from America. If my wife sees this it was basically free and came from a scrap old truck.
That was my initial thought but don’t really have the money for it at the moment. I think we’ll be fitting the big one and if it needs it I’ll upgrade later on.
Well i mean if Sloppy mechanics can run a huge chinese 80+/-mm turbo for up to 1k hp run either one.😎 but the more modern turbo will spool much better. The one is old school turbo tech. Either way both will kill the sn95 pretty ez 👍
Not a good idea, different turbos on different cylinder banks means different manifold pressures each bank and therefore a general imbalance across the engine which is obviously not good.
@@driftworks i think we covered that, it's medium at best 😁 and honestly that's being generous .. its 2020 there are four digit power street cars that start with a 2 and even a 3 .. the day of the 600hp gtr / supra being quick is a distant memory
jerry jo that’s what I’m investigating at the moment I can get a 1.25A/R T4 easily or since they both have exactly the same exhaust wheel size maybe swap the 1.32 T6 ex housing onto the smaller unit. I’m not sure if that’s possible but I’m looking into it.
Bigger the snail 🐌 the smaller the car gets in your rear view mirror...... bless him for even thinking about the small snail ... size matters mate , so my wife tells me apparently hahahaha
I'm lucky enough to say its mine - Had it for 18 years. Craig put a new LS3 in for me last yearn with total overhaul, new wheels and full respray. She's a keeper!
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Jay should be Driftworks full time RUclips guy, he’s a joy to watch.
He pretty much is.
One of the genuinely best channels (and builds) out there.
Emphasis on genuine.
Charles Shamseldin thanks
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Big respect to Craig for continuously helping the 🍪 monster. This build is so interesting, I can't wait to see more, but can we get some V1TeN updates whilst we wait please.
There's at least 1 V1TEN episode a week. Have you missed some? (There's another out in a few hours 👍)
I could listen to craig explain the most random stuff forever it's so interesting he knows so much
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With everything that's going on, and all the bad news we're receiving from UK regarding the covid situation, it's so good to see you guys working hard and smiling.
🤘Thanks Daniel.
The one litter tray was place in ‘upside down’ compared a to the other 3, don’t know if that makes a difference Jay? Bottom right one was different looking from the flywheel end. Looking later on. In the video you might have corrected it already, it was hard to see.
I noticed the same thing and just sent a pic on Instagram to the man himself.
Spotted it and got him to swap 👍👍
one of the lifter trays is the other way around compared to the other three
Edit: it was "corrected"
the 88mm is an excellent piece , will last for years and will make all the boost you want as long as you are under 400 cid. It should come on strong by 3000 rpm. the smaller turbo is to small on the EX side , and will limit the rpm
👍Thanks Shane!
shane, I was really worried about trying to control the boost on the little one. Thanks for the advice.
Who caught the upside down lifter tray before the heads went on?
abc 123 don’t worry we spotted it and swapped round
I'd love to go on a long trip with Uncle Craig, just to listen to him talk about "stuff". I vote the bigger turbo, because well, size matters apparently!
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Proper grateful for the entertainment as usual 🎯
👍Thank you.
Nice work Jay. That brown block is really coming together
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Lifter tray on cylinders 1-3 is in there upside down.
Tincan Dave XR4TI yes he swapped it round 👍👍
@5:37 one of the plastic stuf is on the wrong way round compared to the other side no?
corrected later on the video
compound turbo setup
It wouldn't bring anything to the table other than complication.
I would take the larger one and go with a slightly smaller back end. The smaller one can give you 1000whp just it will need to work harder to get there. The back pressure will be noticably high but it will get there lol
now jay looks like you owe craig a few beers and a chineesium tap. run the bigger turbo and use the new turbosmart electronic waste gate and control it with the ecu then you should be able to control exhaust bleed off electronically so in theory less lag or no lag cheers from down under
glenn arnold, I’ll be running there 4 port solenoid and letting the Holley ecu that I just bought do the controlling.
Love when the RUclips universe comes together, love Stav's stuff!
👍We've all known each other for probably 15+years now.
Good to hear Stav-Tech get a mention ..👍
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Ah the best thing in quarantine rn
You're not wrong 🤣
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I've said it before- Craig is The LS Man. Awesome job, mate. Cheers
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@5:41 upside down ?
Love Craig, must pop over at some point...LOL
I was just about to mention stav. Then you did. I used to love people trying to argue with him on the forums
The big one, you know it makes sense. The V8 bit will cover the lag
All hail jay and car craig too very much appreciated you’re updates are nice 👍 one
Thanks 👍
It's always good watching you guys work your magic 😁
👍 thank you
with a LS definitly run the 88mm solid setup easy power
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Oh Craig I feel your pain, he’s just as messy at home! 😫
Haha, Danger!!!!! It's the wife Jay! You're in trouble now!!!! (P.S. Hi aunti Eve x)
No comment
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Compound the turbos. Problem solved.
Pointless.
Why was the lifter tray on one side in a different position? The one on the rx7 side?
g4rr377 he swapped it round , spotted before heads went on
Craig you need a machine tap, so you can put it in your tailstock chuck and run it straight in
Hay Jay have you resolved whether to use Holley(High Ram or mid rise ram) self learning or what alternitive self learning system ?(or will thier be custom tuning?) Was my contact information for a shop that has built a 1000HP turbo 5.3L LS helpfull or do you have a fairly definite path figured out ?
Yeah I ordered a Holley a Terminator X it turned up on Monday so hopefully it’ll be as simple as it’s supposed to be. It should start and drive but will still need tuning when it’s time to add the big boost.
Great watching this build Jay, cant wait to see the dementedly fast result 😆👊
Compound turbo setup then Jay?? ;)
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Borgwarner BIG BOOST JAY !
Jay- the best things are often worth the wait. Cheers
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Craig is a legend of an engineer.
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With a "healthy" dose of boost and e85 the 71mm will do the job. 88mm is a very big jump up. Why not sell both and get something around an 80mm, GTX45?
E85 is very uncommon in the UK, I highly doubt that's what it'll be ran on
Yeah, no E85 here unfortunately.
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Yeah it’s something I keep forgetting to mention when I’m filming. Our Government thought it was bad and took it away before it really took off here.
use the borg billet wheel
Compound turbo setup it is, easy choise haha :D
Webbers used to be such a smart old bean
But that's an epic beard.
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I listen to these so intently because I don’t want to miss any little nuggets of engine wisdom.
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Is the mark 2 in the back getting an ls?
When Jay's engine leaks before hes driven it #fordproblems ;)
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Can you post pictures of both turbo spec plates? The AR of the new turbo looks quite small in comparison to your original.
Neal Shelton it’s 1.32 on the big boy and 1.01 on the baby.
@@JayDontGotThis I was able to find plenty of information on the turbo on the left based on the center section tag. It's a Borg Warner S400SX4-75 (PN:171702), otherwise known as an S475. Seems to be a very popular Turbo with the LS crowd. I'd be curious to see the tag on the center section of the other turbo in order to get all the specs.
S475 Spec Sheet: cdn.borgwarner.com/docs/default-source/iam/boosting-technologies/s400sx4.pdf?sfvrsn=549f8f3c_2
Personally, I'd start with the S475 with the 1.32 AR (over the S471 with 1.0 AR) for 2 reasons. The first is that a single 71mm turbo is likely a bit to small to meet your power goal. A quick look around the net shows the rampant popularity of single 76mm turbos on street driven LS's, and based on what I've seen they aren't noticeably laggy. The second reason is that your S475's current exhaust housing has a T6 inlet and a 5" V-band outlet flange. I'd be worried about the T4 turbine inlet flange and the smaller (4"?) exhaust flange son the S471 creating too much back pressure and decreasing total power. If the 1.32 AR housing doesn't spool fast enough for your liking, you could swap to the 1.15 AR housing (PN: 14961019007) for $225 + shipping and likely pickup a several hundred RPM of spool time.
Hot Rod Magazine did a good write up on a very similar turbos on a built 6.0 LS. www.hotrod.com/articles/borg-warner-turbo-shootout-size-matters/
A S475 with a 1.0 AR made 878 hp and 804 lb-ft of torque with just 11.3 psi. The S480 with a 1.25 AR made 977 hp and 807 lb-ft at 12.9 psi. Spool time on both were very reasonable.
Dyno charts: www.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/2018/08/017-power-torque-curves-turbos.jpg
Boost curces: www.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/2018/08/018-borg-warner-turbo-boost-ls-trickflow.jpg
Best of luck!
Neal Shelton thanks for that I’m no turbo expert at all. It’s all quite new to me I put a T25 on a corolla years ago and that’s about all the experience I have.
If this is what the call the S475 then that’s what I’ll use.
Interestingly though the small one I think is part number 177101 which is also rated at 500-1050hp I’ve no idea what I’m looking at when it comes to compressor maps so why not just use the little one?
Is it just the worry about back pressure from the 1.01 housing and having the watergate struggle to control the boost?
Another option would be a bigger exhaust housing on the 471 something like this
turbozentrum.co.uk/BorgWarner-AirWerks-turbine-housing-S400SX-S400SX3-83mm-T4-twinscroll-125ar-177105
Any pro’s to that over just using the bigger one?
@@JayDontGotThis Well that's an interesting development, the 177101 is otherwise known as the S400SX3-75. That means that both turbos are actually S475s. On paper, the primary difference between the SX3 and SX4 is the use of a smaller turbine wheel, housing, and flanges.
From what I'm able to find, the compressor wheels should be interchangeable, though I'm unable to find the part numbers for the housings to confirm. You do appear to have a drilled (and presumably older) anti-surge housing design on the 171702 and a billet compressor wheel on the 177101. I'm still thoroughly confused by the exhaust housing on the 177101. It looks like it started life as some form of OEM turbo with provisions for either some form of pedestal mounting, integral waste-gate, or VGT.
I'm still thinking the best solution would be to use the 171702. In theory, it should be possible to use the billet compressor wheel and potentially newer housing off of the 177101 on the center section and hot side of the 171702.
In regards to the 1.01 housing, there is a chance you'll have issues holding boost at high RPM (though I don't know that for certain). Boost creep shouldn't be an issue as long as you have the correct size waste-gate(s).
I definitely suggest you to seek the assistant of a professional at this point. I've used up pretty much all of my google-fu and amateur garage tuner knowledge. It's also probably worth measuring the compressor and turbine wheels on both turbos to confirm that you have the turbos you think you have since there is a chance they were both Frankenstein-ed together.
I have a 132000 mile Ls with a 230/236 .561 .601 lift. I have hardened pushrods but left the oem rockers and trunnions.
Are these stock heads ?
Probably yeah.
Yes stock heads with a clean up
Don't mind me... Just imagining that beautiful silver RX-7 has a 3 rotor under the hood. Keep cracking on, Jay.
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Has a ls3 swap, the thing is mental
How much has the motor cost so far?
Yes.
@@Njabuloseh Doubt it's that much. Especially of what it will be capable of.
Which figure do you want? The true figure or the jay’s wife figure? 🤣
Realistically the engine is about £3500 - £4000 including buying it. 20 whatever % of that is just paying the government for letting me buy things from America. If my wife sees this it was basically free and came from a scrap old truck.
Could you do a twin turbo set up with 2 garret G-series turbos? The gen3s are ment to be insane
This turbo cost £250. Jays doing the whole thing on a pretty tight budget.
@@driftworks that makes sence
Fit both turbos.
It might be a little imbalanced 😄
@@driftworks compound setup hehe
I like seeing videos with these tractor engines. Its nice to see how engines were made in 1920
g4rr377 ohh jealous
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No point trying to fix perfection
Jeez....he’s a happy go lucky kinda guy ...you know who I mean Craig....
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What is Craig's going rate as an LS Master Tech in biscuit/hour oop north???
Haha, I don't think he'd travel up north.
A choice? Use both!
It may be a little imbalanced 😄
Driftworks - compound - smaller turbo feeds into the bigger one and reduces lag, bigger turbo takes over at higher rpm :)
Can Craig be cloned and installed in everyone s local garage
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Get a billet core for the 88mm
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That was my initial thought but don’t really have the money for it at the moment. I think we’ll be fitting the big one and if it needs it I’ll upgrade later on.
When Craig asks if you have done that “thing” and you say no 😒..😂
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Well i mean if Sloppy mechanics can run a huge chinese 80+/-mm turbo for up to 1k hp run either one.😎 but the more modern turbo will spool much better. The one is old school turbo tech. Either way both will kill the sn95 pretty ez 👍
Any biscuits left Jay?
What do you reckon? 😄
@@driftworks the 1s that were left craig dropped em in the engine 😄
@@driftworks that'll be a no then 😂
it was phil!!! didnt he swap the whole engine out?
Both... Compound turbo ls obviously 🤷♂️🤣
One of those lifter tray things is upside down
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Could you compound them?
No point.
Go compound!
No point. Just adding complication.
Bet you wont do twin turbskis 👀
Nah, big single! & definitely not two big singles 😄
i´d put both
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The big one.....like they say 'there is no replacement for displacement'.......V8 poooower!!!
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Haha, Jay, leave Craig a trail of oil around the unit that leads to a stash of biscuits. See if he gets annoyed or happy lol.
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It's been a while since I've seen you with a pack of tunnocks caramel wafers Jay. You should treat yourself 😉
He's wasting away!
Are you looking @ 1000 at wheel or crank HP
wheel now probably
Crank would fine to start with.
All I can say is... Smurfs better be building a twin turbo 2JZ or they're f*cked. 🤣
"Like Phil's truck" LMAO!
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good works guys
Thank you
Turbo choice: do a dual stage!
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Sticker "do not feed the animals" :D
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you need a sticker on the car saying "Right Then".
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why not both? or a are you scared 🤔
Not a good idea, different turbos on different cylinder banks means different manifold pressures each bank and therefore a general imbalance across the engine which is obviously not good.
@@tyretear1263 you must be fun at parties, ever heard of compound boosting?
Use both... why not, as more, means more obviously 😇
Instant like!
Henry Bevan thanks
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The rusty one 👍
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Twin turbskies! 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅
Doesn't work so well when they're different 😄
Bigger is better 😎
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Why not both? :P
Just kidding!
I'd go for the responsive turbo myself
It'll be alright for response. It's depressing how easily a cheap LS can make 1000hp & do it before my 600hp 964 turbo comes on boost 😄
Why not twin turbo it🤷♂️
What's the worst thing that could happen 😜😜
You know it makes sense😉🤣
Yeah, reach for 2000hp. Why not! 😄
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Jay did say he hadn't blown an engine up!!😜
Send it to the moon💪
Mark Walton never properly, the Ford was just worn out so I don’t count that. This could be the first time I put a window in a block.
This video was improved due to an rx7 being in the background for the majority ;)
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Dale Pluthero a boinger though so it’s just a X7
Does not meet definition of massive, this is merely large-ish. If you want massive, refer to Garrett G57-102mm and up
Massive for us then. 1000hp is a new game for us. I consider the 750hp capable turbo on my 964 massive.
@@driftworks i think we covered that, it's medium at best 😁 and honestly that's being generous .. its 2020 there are four digit power street cars that start with a 2 and even a 3 .. the day of the 600hp gtr / supra being quick is a distant memory
John P fair, Phil’s Audi came out the factory with about 600hp and that’s basically white goods.
just change the turbine housing on borg
jerry jo that’s what I’m investigating at the moment I can get a 1.25A/R T4 easily or since they both have exactly the same exhaust wheel size maybe swap the 1.32 T6 ex housing onto the smaller unit. I’m not sure if that’s possible but I’m looking into it.
Bigger the snail 🐌 the smaller the car gets in your rear view mirror...... bless him for even thinking about the small snail ... size matters mate , so my wife tells me apparently hahahaha
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Comon Jay the bigger one 😂 it's a v8 you gonna have much lag
We all know it!
turnkey warranty - it ends when you turn the key.
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One dislike from papa smurf
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I would assume they are old truck turbos... Also STAV is the MAN!!! I'll buy stav's turbo if you don't keep it
Aww you two are bit edgy around each other. Too cute.
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whos rx7 .... when do we get to see that XD
I'm lucky enough to say its mine - Had it for 18 years. Craig put a new LS3 in for me last yearn with total overhaul, new wheels and full respray. She's a keeper!
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@@paulbarnett7594 i started crying at ls
Bigger is better.
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Nothing like muscle power, stay off the biccies pal
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Be wary wary quite I am hunting wabits
Mean, but yeah.