Propane Free Camper! Electric Induction VS Propane for Overlanding
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2021
- 12 months ago we completely removed propane gas from our overland rig and installed an electric induction system fro cooking.
This was one of the best decisions we have ever made in the 10 years that we have been living out of vehicles and camping cars.
Not having to worry about propane bottles running out of gas and refilling as we travel internationally has changed everything for the better.
In this video we share with you the reason we made this change and some of the pros and cons, mostly pros of course.
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I have installed an induction plate on my new van. The van is completely propane-free. Two 100Ah lithium batteries and a 3000-watt converter, and a 30 amp charge booster. It is so nice to cook this way, and it also gives more space on the counter.
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This is definitely an opinion with an overseas perspective. Here in the U.S. propane is fairly cheap and it is EVERYWHERE. Every gas station, corner store, sporting goods store, grocery store. Propane is my greatest companion. When overlanding/camping it provides my heat, cooking, hot showers, gas firepit (for times when there are fire bans, which in Colorado is often now) and lighting. Would never consider anything else. Hank Hill was a god damned messiah!!!
Good News, and I was just thinking about you Folks. Here you are!
Good advice i do this also. The induction hot plate I use is Nuwavepic flex with 3 wattage options 600,900 and 1300
Great choice, safer & cleaner option. Look for a Roll up Solar Mat with a Parallel connection where you can charge in less Light condition.
Good Luck
Thanks for this video, we build a camper van to travel to the far East and for us this video answer to a lot of questions.Thank you for all and stay safe
It is very good idea to use an induction cooker to replace a propane one. The propane system is very dangerous. It is easy to leak and harm the human body on moving and bumpy vehicles. A diesel system for heating is also a good idea, especially when the car has diesel engine. For the hot water system, you may consider installing a black water tank on the roof of the car, and sunshine will heat the water in the tank, thereby establishing a simple shower system. This system can be self-made with PVC pipes with a diameter of >=4 inches and a length of >=6 feet, with black paint on the outside. It is big enough for two people to shower, and can be used as a backup emergency water reserve too.
Nice to see you are doing well. If I remember the moisture from the LP heater was a big issue for you guys in the camper also. Diesel heater helps get the moisture from your body heated and vented without adding the moisture from the fuel source. When you are bored look at the diesel heaters that heat using the antifreeze from the engine, you can warm the engine along with heating the camper, also if you want hot water it can heat the water and as an added benefit driving will also heat the water in the water heater if plumbed correctly. Nice thing is driving can heat the camper and water if you want instead of using the burner when the engine is running. Stay safe hope Stephy is well also.
I was also looking into this option for our overland rig, but currently math is really hard to justify. Cost of 300Ah battery bank (size and weight of which equals or exceeds propane bottle), good quality DC-AC converter and loads of solar is just hard to swallow. I agree that for full time overlanders it makes sense, but otherwise it's just not worth it YET.
I hate propane and storing it safely is one of highiest priorities. Some people store it on rooftops and rear bottle holders on Defenders, which just seems plain dangerous and probably illegal.
I agree to expensive at the moment So have to make do with gas .
Leigh if you want a hot water system, look into the "bubble heater" it runs in conjunction with your diesel heater, but can produce piping hot water
I use a diesel cooker and diesel heater in my VW T6 4 motion camper, in combination with solar panels for the refrigerator and led lightning. Works great and is always enough for our needs. During the trip with the camper we use our car to fill ups the battery. Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱❤️🇫🇷🇦🇺
I experienced your 'different countries' rules and practices. Good alternative solution explained well. Thanks
Sold! But I am still worry about LIPO batteries. It is light and powerful but not quite proven for safety as yet.
They are probably LiFePO4 not LiPo batteries. Safer than the cell type in your phone.
We have induction as well, good choice!
Good & Honest information out of your own experience. Invaluable. Keep travelling......
Very interesting and informative. Thanks !!
I live in a very tropical country and sometimes I wish I had a hot shower... Then I look at the river and goes away. Imagine what would you say 10 years from now about the changes you have done... I love B, but maybe an Unimog could be... ¡¡PURA VIDA!!
I've had my induction stove for over a year and a half and I love it, wouldn't use anything else, good move you have made.
I would only go diesel for heating the air, like you have already.
If you do go hot water, an electric hot water system is the go, any engineer who overlands seems to go that route. The Duoetto Mk2 is one of the best here in Australia.
That's just my opinion on 2 years worth of research.
Now if we could just convince all the campervan/caravan manufacturer's in Australia, they're still so old school, gas in them all, I don't know why they're still living in the past.
Great video by the way, it's always good to see overlanders moving from gas to electric, it really is the only way to go.
thank you for the great detail video do show the true way to look at a lot of things for setup as safety travel with good hearth
Leigh - Live from the toilet!
Induction cooking is great! You don't actually need special pans, you just need to make sure they are not made of copper, aluminum, or glass - if you are not sure, just test it with a magnet.. if it sticks, it will be fine. That said you can get a little disk that you can put between your cooker and the hob so your favorite aluminium pan will work if need be.
Hello on the dunny 😜
Yes you're right I should of mentioned that.
I learned about the adapter plates last year and considered getting one for our Moka pot.
@@leighdearle5965 Great idea for your Moka pot... got to be worth a try?
Be careful and don't get the adaptor plate that has bumps that don't allow it to rest fully on the glass. The ends of the bumps concentrate too much heat and damage the glass top. Don't ask me how I know this.
@@munecito Oh dear! :)
Deasel heater was one of first mods. For my needs two batterys are ok for now, if we go travel for more then one month then maby an upgrade. Will look up wather heeter. 😉 Cheers 🍻
Brilliant video. We are half way through our Crafter conversion and have decided that no propane is a must. So we have 320 Amp hours of Lithium 3500W inverter 500 w of solar. This lets us run induction, a portable aircon unit and a 1500w 15l water heater with power to spare. All electric is the future. Thanks for sharing. See you on the road.
LI-ION for the win. BEST
Great video again! Another pro is the removal of (some) condensation from the camper.
Can't believe I forgot to mention that! Thanks so much for the comment. That's most probably one of the biggest pros 😉
Nice upgrade 👍🏻
lookin' good, stay safe,,
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Propane is a puddle gas, often indicated as a possible cause for boat explosions,,, so, while I use it for an outdoor BBQ for it's ease of use and easy Costco refills locally I can see your great advantages in ditching it for the road. (and maybe boaters should too). Good Video for while you are stuck in Taiwans new restrictions. Here shots are plentiful and we are getting more and more vax'd every day. (Even our Costco has shots available no appointment necessary),,,, Enjoying your great videos!
This convertion was to happen some day but you had the courage to walk the extra mile and prove its practicality. Kudos!!
Best wishes..
Great video and it really backs up our project and how we have been planning it. We don't have the real life experience like you guys, so its all been trying to imagine what our needs are now and in the future. We do want hot water so we have the Truma Combi D6 which is a diesel powered hot water and hot air heater. We have an Induction cooker for an external slide on the outside and we have the Webasto X100 Diesel cooker for the inside. We have been thinking long and hard about selling it or not, its never been used and as we now have 400AH of lithium batteries, we feel we have the capacity to power an internal unit. What's kept us considering using the X100 inside is if we are wanting to cook something a bit more substantial that maybe requires cooking for a long time, and then it might be easier to use a small amount of diesel. For coffee in the mornings we have an electric coffee machine that heats the water in 3 seconds! We think the outside induction cooker will be used most as we plan to be in warm climates most of the time due to arthritis and the benefits a dry warm climate brings.
Great set up mate. I considered long and hard about a Wallas XC duo cooker / space heater unit.
When we need to cook something that might take a longer time we either use the fire pit or our very small and compact MSR Dragonfly diesel cooker.
We wouldn't cook longer prep meals inside the camper to avoid smells and condensation.
@@leighdearle5965 dont you just love the fact we have so many options available to us, we are spoiled for choice these days!
I have diesel HWS, heating, and cooktop, and when working they are very economical, but at times unreliable, I believe due to the need to have the vehicle a bit more level, than is required or even available without chocks and the like. So I use a small gas stove for those times when I need instant heat and when the diesel facilities are on the blink. I have a 200ah AGM's, 2000w inverter, and 240W of solar, but wouldn't consider using the inverter for an induction heater with just the 200ah batteries.
Great experience for future campers for use more renewable energy. 👍❤️
Can hot water system also be connected to electric against diesel. 🔥
There you go again no HOT WATER 😱😱😱
hey, great video! very inspiring. What kind of water heater are you using now? Model of device would be great!
You cannot charge lifepo4 ( lithium iron phosphate) below freezing. It will damage them ! Nice setup and good explanation 👍
Thank you for the video. Do you know about the water heater where the hot air is heating the water or you can use 110/220 Volt. Best regards Stefan
wow 12 months already!
Actually just under but still bloody crazy! Where did that go...
Hope you're well brother 😉
Does anyone make a flush mounted induction cooktop which fits in the recess created by the old gas stove?
bring back the mullet 👌
Great stuff guys. How's the 280ah battery holding up? Planning on doing the same setup (2*280ah). Looking forward to the next video!
So far so good. 2 x 280ah will be absolutely awesome 😉
Hi this is really useful. However, have you considered two plates? We are a family of 4. 😍
Currently testing a low watt(800w) induction hob, I really want to ditch gas completely and I want to see if 800w is enough as the power savings over 1500-2000w is not insignificant. Fewer batteries, especially at the price of lithium is more weeks on the road at the end of the day.
Salut, la preuve que l'on peut ce passer du gaz. bonne continuation
Thanks for sharing. I have been researching with a view to buying an induction cooker. One company stated that only hotpot type cooking was to be done. I have induction cooking in my home so was a bit surprised at that. I see from your vid that you do frying but does this include stir fry or steak as examples? Stay safe there. Things are going nuts again in Victoria. 👍🏻🙏🏽😷🦘
G'day Grahame
We try to keep any big fry ups or longer prep cooking to the small diesel cooker outside.
We try not to cook meat inside for the smell.
We could definitely do a stir fry or steak though.
I've cooked several steaks on the induction.
Good luck in Melbourne.
@@leighdearle5965
Thanks Leigh. I wish them well too but all of Vic. is closed. I’m in the New England area of NSW.
It’s interesting how, since you started your odyssey, technology has changed and that you both are evolving with it. Who’s to know what the next ten years will bring. 👍🏻🙏🏽😷🦘
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I'm looking more so into infrared cooktops because of the dangers of EMF radiation of induction cooking. You need to stay more than a foot away and you cant do that while cooking.
It been 2 years now. How it all work out?
I still don't think cold showers are the way to go ... eh
We enjoy a cold shower especially in summer.
Sometimes it's tough in the winter but knowing you've got a nice diesel heated camper to sleep in after makes it easier 😉
I'd love to go to lithium battery's but too expensive at this time £1000 for a battery or two months traveling 🤔🤔
Yes they are a little pricey that's for sure mate.
Have you had a look at the Chinese batteries on Alibaba and Aliexpress?
I think you can get less expensive decent quality if you do your research.
Induction cooking off grid the only option for us 720 watts of solar and 600AH of diy lithium hell we can even run our aircon if we want no more gas or generator for us and we are doing our bit for the environment (win win)
That's what I'm talking about 😍😍😍
I firmly believe you really can't have enough solar and lithium battery.
If you've got the space and the funds add more!
Sounds like an awesome set up.
@@leighdearle5965 Hi Leigh if I could fit another kilowatt of panels on the roof without going over my GCM I would we predominantly free camp so power and water are the 2 biggies for us .
So question. With this new setup. Are you able to at some point move over to a complete electric heating system? I too dislike the need for flammable and smelly gas. I have 3 kids and I would like to be self sufficient out in the wild for long periods of times. It's good to know you can be out somewhere off grid for long periods of time. On the note of the electric heating system. Do you guys recommend any?
I do think that would definitely be possible in the future.
Probably it would take am even larger battery capacity and solar system.
Our friend in Taiwan that owns the large camping truck you see in the video runs a split system air conditioning unit and cooks with electric induction.
He has 1200ah of lithium battery and 1000W of solar.
@@leighdearle5965 oh wow that's alot.
how come you don't need a hot water unit? So you've been washing hands and dishes in cold water for 10 years?
Just a quick question as I don’t know much about induction cooking. You said a litre of water takes about 3minutes to boil (with a 1400 watt cooker). Is induction cooking faster, slower or about the same time? Cooking up something like a stir fry, maybe 30 minutes of browning and cooking veg, etc. with a gas cooker, is it faster, slower or about the same with induction?
Half a litre of water about 3 minutes. I do believe the induction cooker to be much faster than gas.
We avoid cooking any meals that take longer than ten minutes as the power usage would be quite high.
That's the same with propane though.
Most of our meals are simple easy prep meals.
@@leighdearle5965 ok, thanks. I should buy a cheap one and try it out.
I admire your setup and may consider it for my next build, but you should be honest with yourself as the only thing you have really gained is convenience removing the flammable gas in exchange for lithium batteries which quite often Catch Fire themselves, creating your heat and cooking your food with renewable solar energy is admirable but the Lithium-ion batteries and the materials in your solar panels only exists because of some extremely environmentally unfriendly mining practices and eventually your lithium ion batteries will wind up in a landfill and probably be poisoning our groundwater at some point, neither of which is very environmentally friendly at all
would like to see product name.
Which product?
my butane portable works better then that high energy induction unit, wait till cloudy weather little solar and your batteries drop down and in cold weather..and butane is available all over the world especially asia..
Loved the video. Thank you. Have you investigated alt energy sources? ruclips.net/video/nNp21zTeCDc/видео.html. It would be great to see you charge your batteries while you drive. Just a thought. Good luck
The CTEK D250SE charges our batteries whilst we drive 😉
@@leighdearle5965 Brilliant! This is awesome. Safe travels.
thus proving there is no problem that can't be solved if you just throw enough money at it
First world problems