I think Calvinism should be renamed. Let’s call it the doctrine of God’s sovereignty (DOGS). The 5 points make sense and are based in scripture, but people make a caricature of Calvinism. “Calvin isn’t Christ” “God isn’t a Calvinist” People paint it as if it’s a completely different gospel. Take Calvin’s name off of it and focus on God’s sovereignty and the fact that “Salvation belongs to the LORD.” You don’t have to be a “Calvinist” to acknowledge that scripture points to salvation belonging to God.
A long ago, before the Synod of Dort, people did not really know what 'Calvinism' was - you get the idea here. I often say to other Christians that "I adhere to the traditional Reformed theology" to test the waters (so to speak).
😂 AMEN BROTHER IT IS ALL TO HIS GLORY!!!! Nothing but filth and ruin are we outside of CHRIST, may we abide in the SPIRIT AND BE USEFUL VESSELS FOR THE ALMIGHTY GOD AND ALL PRAISE BE TO THE GLORIOUS UNFATHOMABLE GLORY OF GOD. Power us father with the grace and mercy and strength we need to do the joyful work before us!
He is telling the Ephesians that having being saved they are in Him who was called before the foundation of the world And being in Him they are called to be blameless and Holy Nothing here about God calling some and rejecting others Calvinism always insists in imposing their presuppositions on the text Like trying to reduce God to a principle about how He does things The whole of the Bible is about us being in Christ the Chosen one How do we get there? By believing in Him and receiving Him We die with Him We are resurrected in Him
“Puppets and robots don’t deserve wrath, but you do.” Wow Mr. Piper, awesome way of clarifying the fact that men and women are under Gods wrath by nature.
If I were advising Satan on how to make people believe another gospel, I would use Calvinism as the blueprint. I would create a Christian Doctrine that included the following 4 points: #1 Jesus does not love everyone (salvation love). #2 Jesus did not die for everyone. #3 Jesus does not want everyone to repent and be saved. #4 And my favorite head-scratching doctrine of all... God gives every person freedom to choose anything (like Chocolate or Vanilla ice cream), but the only choice God does not give mankind is the choice to accept Him and escape from eternity in Hell (I know, getting to choose Him takes away His glory). How anyone can fall for Calvinism is beyond me. If you are reading this God does not desire anyone to perish but all to come to repentance. And no, you are not "taking God's glory" by making the conscious choice of kneeling at the cross of Calvary.
I do believe in Gods sovereignty, but I would love if someone (credited to do so) would explain all the verses in the OT that speak to Israel’s free will. For example, while reading in Jeremiah a few mornings ago I came across a passage where God is speaking with Jeremiah and says, “It may be that they will listen, and every one turn from his evil way, that I may relent of the disaster that I intend to do to them because of their evil deeds.” -Jeremiah 26:3. This is just one of the many verses that speaks in such a manner. I need to make sense of them. It would be an incredible blessing if Tony from the Desiring God podcast or someone close to Dr. Piper could respond, please help.
It seems that God speaks to humans as we are, which is inside of space and time. He has foreknowledge of everything and sovereignty over all, but he speaks to us on our level. Our choices still matter. We have a “will” of our own, but it cannot and does not supersede God’s will. God is the only sovereign.
It means if the people repent, God will not punish them. We are not free. No man is free. A sinner is the slave of sin and a Godly man is a willing slave to Christ. Free will is for a Christians fight with sin.
The plain meaning of the text is clear. You are not struggling to understand it, you are struggling to synthesise it with your preconceived theological lens of Calvinism. Let the scripture speak, don’t interpret it through a theological lens.
Would a Calvinist please help me understand this thought? If God commands us to love our enemies yet he hates certain people, would it be fair to conclude that God would be like the father with a cigarette in his mouth telling his teenage son not to smoke?
This is not a Calvinist issue. God's hate comes from his love for us. If you love children you must hate abortion. If you're a parent you must hate anything that could hurt your children. Also, that commandment is for us humans, he's way more supreme than a human, he's all knowing and knows what's best. So no, that's not a fair comparison.
Yea, that's actually at the core of the doctrine of election: the desire you have for God is a result of God working in your heart, and not the other way around (ie: God working in your heart as a result of your desire)
God says He desires and wills the salvation of all and He can change all of our hearts to believe and obey Him easily and He will do ALL of His pleasure according to the Bible. He says He will restore all, make all new, wipe tears from all faces and will eventually be “All in all!” Not one verse says God can’t forgive after death and many verses say He will, the gates of the New Jerusalem will “never be shut.” The gospel was preached to those who are dead, He went and preached to the spirits in prison…Behold, I make all things new!
If you read Romans 11 in its entirety I dont think it teaches what Piper is suggesting about the 7.000 and God keeping for himself aka Saving.. aka calvinism
As for Calvinists Believe Every Verse They don't They only believe the ones that support their doctrine Since I have started coming to Scripture without their presuppositions I have discovered there is much more to the Bible than they believe and their limitations on it distort it - and God I can no longer read the Bible without finding things that contradict what they believe It has been like the Scripture has come alive
Calvinists, own your deception, twisting of words and their meanings, the gnostic spirit of your chosen theology and begin to coherently question the ramifications of your synthetic systematics conclusions…… If you’re willing.
@@chief-beanstalk-06 Calvinism reformed theology are systematics leeching the s ruptures. Indeed partly biblical yet synthetic. Sola de avoid these malignant theologies.
@@HearGodsWord HGW, the christ of calvinism is not Jesus The Messiah. The gospel is good news. You cannot be forthright and coherent describing reformed calvinism as great commission good news. Sola de cultist HGW bro!
Actually, this has always been his plan. For millenia before Jesus came Satan coerced the Jews to teach the same thing. God does not love everyone. He only loves you. He does not want everyone to be in his family. He made the Gentiles so they can run around and live their lives, but they’ll never be my chosen people, the Jews. Of course, like Calvinism, this was strictly against the teaching of scripture, but he did a good job fooling mankind. Then Jesus came and corrected this error and it was conquered for a few hundred years. Until Augustine resurrected it.
@@HearGodsWord Yep, and the Gospel is that there is good news, the Messiah, Jesus has come and now everyone is invited to God's kingdom, all the Jews and all the Gentiles, not just some. This is literally the Gospel and you deny it, calling it a "nice story."
@TheRomans9Guy when you find any proof of me denying the Gospel let me know. Until then youre a liar. Making false claims is obviously your speciality.
I think Calvinism should be renamed. Let’s call it the doctrine of God’s sovereignty (DOGS). The 5 points make sense and are based in scripture, but people make a caricature of Calvinism. “Calvin isn’t Christ” “God isn’t a Calvinist” People paint it as if it’s a completely different gospel. Take Calvin’s name off of it and focus on God’s sovereignty and the fact that “Salvation belongs to the LORD.” You don’t have to be a “Calvinist” to acknowledge that scripture points to salvation belonging to God.
Yes, you're right. They already have another name - the "doctrines of grace"
A long ago, before the Synod of Dort, people did not really know what 'Calvinism' was - you get the idea here. I often say to other Christians that "I adhere to the traditional Reformed theology" to test the waters (so to speak).
Yeah… just no.
John Calvin wants to know your location
😂 AMEN BROTHER IT IS ALL TO HIS GLORY!!!! Nothing but filth and ruin are we outside of CHRIST, may we abide in the SPIRIT AND BE USEFUL VESSELS FOR THE ALMIGHTY GOD AND ALL PRAISE BE TO THE GLORIOUS UNFATHOMABLE GLORY OF GOD. Power us father with the grace and mercy and strength we need to do the joyful work before us!
He is telling the Ephesians that having being saved
they are in Him who was called before the foundation of the world
And being in Him they are called to be blameless and Holy
Nothing here about God calling some and rejecting others
Calvinism always insists in imposing their presuppositions on the text
Like trying to reduce God to a principle about how He does things
The whole of the Bible is about us being in Christ the Chosen one
How do we get there?
By believing in Him and receiving Him
We die with Him
We are resurrected in Him
“Puppets and robots don’t deserve wrath, but you do.” Wow Mr. Piper, awesome way of clarifying the fact that men and women are under Gods wrath by nature.
If I were advising Satan on how to make people believe another gospel, I would use Calvinism as the blueprint. I would create a Christian Doctrine that included the following 4 points:
#1 Jesus does not love everyone (salvation love).
#2 Jesus did not die for everyone.
#3 Jesus does not want everyone to repent and be saved.
#4 And my favorite head-scratching doctrine of all... God gives every person freedom to choose anything (like Chocolate or Vanilla ice cream), but the only choice God does not give mankind is the choice to accept Him and escape from eternity in Hell (I know, getting to choose Him takes away His glory).
How anyone can fall for Calvinism is beyond me. If you are reading this God does not desire anyone to perish but all to come to repentance. And no, you are not "taking God's glory" by making the conscious choice of kneeling at the cross of Calvary.
You're certainly scratching your head. Maybe you should read the Bible instead
@@HearGodsWordif god predestined it.
@@Aries_Luck He predestined your straw men? OK.
All I had to read is “if I were advising satan” and that’s all I needed to read.
I love it when John Piper does his grumpy voice.
I do believe in Gods sovereignty, but I would love if someone (credited to do so) would explain all the verses in the OT that speak to Israel’s free will. For example, while reading in Jeremiah a few mornings ago I came across a passage where God is speaking with Jeremiah and says, “It may be that they will listen, and every one turn from his evil way, that I may relent of the disaster that I intend to do to them because of their evil deeds.” -Jeremiah 26:3. This is just one of the many verses that speaks in such a manner. I need to make sense of them. It would be an incredible blessing if Tony from the Desiring God podcast or someone close to Dr. Piper could respond, please help.
It seems that God speaks to humans as we are, which is inside of space and time. He has foreknowledge of everything and sovereignty over all, but he speaks to us on our level. Our choices still matter. We have a “will” of our own, but it cannot and does not supersede God’s will. God is the only sovereign.
I'd suggest reading John Piper's book Providence
It means if the people repent, God will not punish them. We are not free. No man is free. A sinner is the slave of sin and a Godly man is a willing slave to Christ.
Free will is for a Christians fight with sin.
The plain meaning of the text is clear. You are not struggling to understand it, you are struggling to synthesise it with your preconceived theological lens of Calvinism. Let the scripture speak, don’t interpret it through a theological lens.
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Would a Calvinist please help me understand this thought? If God commands us to love our enemies yet he hates certain people, would it be fair to conclude that God would be like the father with a cigarette in his mouth telling his teenage son not to smoke?
This is not a Calvinist issue. God's hate comes from his love for us. If you love children you must hate abortion. If you're a parent you must hate anything that could hurt your children. Also, that commandment is for us humans, he's way more supreme than a human, he's all knowing and knows what's best. So no, that's not a fair comparison.
@@tommysuriel Hate the sin Love the sinner
That is not what Calvinism teaches
@@John-Christchurch-NZ Yeah but they don't teach the opposite either, even though their theology makes no sense.
So what does one do if they want to be a Christian but God hasn't chosen them?
The Calvinist answer is if you want to be a Christian is because you were already chosen.
Yea, that's actually at the core of the doctrine of election: the desire you have for God is a result of God working in your heart, and not the other way around (ie: God working in your heart as a result of your desire)
Nobody wants to, read Romans 3: 10-18
So good
wonderful
God says He desires and wills the salvation of all and He can change all of our hearts to believe and obey Him easily and He will do ALL of His pleasure according to the Bible. He says He will restore all, make all new, wipe tears from all faces and will eventually be “All in all!” Not one verse says God can’t forgive after death and many verses say He will, the gates of the New Jerusalem will “never be shut.” The gospel was preached to those who are dead, He went and preached to the spirits in prison…Behold, I make all things new!
Where can I read that
If you read Romans 11 in its entirety I dont think it teaches what Piper is suggesting about the 7.000 and God keeping for himself aka Saving.. aka calvinism
As for Calvinists Believe Every Verse
They don't
They only believe the ones that support their doctrine
Since I have started coming to Scripture without their presuppositions
I have discovered there is much more to the Bible than they believe
and their limitations on it distort it - and God
I can no longer read the Bible
without finding things that contradict what they believe
It has been like the Scripture has come alive
Good grief people. Pray for discernment and stop with all the denominational mocking.
Calvinists, own your deception, twisting of words and their meanings, the gnostic spirit of your chosen theology and begin to coherently question the ramifications of your synthetic systematics conclusions……
If you’re willing.
@@chief-beanstalk-06 Calvinism reformed theology are systematics leeching the s ruptures.
Indeed partly biblical yet synthetic.
Sola de avoid these malignant theologies.
That certainly shows off your ignorance 😂
@@HearGodsWord I’m still hopeful for you HGW.
@@truthseeker5698 my hope is in Christ and the Gospel. You might repent and believe one day.
@@HearGodsWord HGW, the christ of calvinism is not Jesus The Messiah. The gospel is good news. You cannot be forthright and coherent describing reformed calvinism as great commission good news.
Sola de cultist HGW bro!
Actually, this has always been his plan.
For millenia before Jesus came Satan coerced the Jews to teach the same thing. God does not love everyone. He only loves you. He does not want everyone to be in his family. He made the Gentiles so they can run around and live their lives, but they’ll never be my chosen people, the Jews.
Of course, like Calvinism, this was strictly against the teaching of scripture, but he did a good job fooling mankind.
Then Jesus came and corrected this error and it was conquered for a few hundred years. Until Augustine resurrected it.
Nice story, seeing as that's all your comment is.
@@HearGodsWord You probably see the Bible as just a nice story too.
@@TheRomans9Guy the Gospel is more than that. Maybe one day you'll repent and believe
@@HearGodsWord Yep, and the Gospel is that there is good news, the Messiah, Jesus has come and now everyone is invited to God's kingdom, all the Jews and all the Gentiles, not just some. This is literally the Gospel and you deny it, calling it a "nice story."
@TheRomans9Guy when you find any proof of me denying the Gospel let me know. Until then youre a liar. Making false claims is obviously your speciality.
The calvinist reformed deity is a fraud!
Choose to remain in the vine of Jesus The Messiah.