I'm still looking for the infamous footage of Thatcher stating that "the poll tax is very popular" and the opposition erupting into laughter. It must be out there somewhere...
BANG ON. We had real difficulties in paying backdates on our Poll Tax 1990- 92, and in the spring of '92, we didn't receive our voting cards through the door. Thanks for clearing up a 2 decade old mystery for me. I was only 24 and busy working so I just thought " bugger it ". Major was in for another FIVE YEARS...
The poll tax was a sign that she'd lost it. It was always going to be a vote loser, and Nigel Lawson (hardly a socialist by any stretch of the imagination) early worked out it would be a disaster.
I'm sure I read it in Alan Clark diaries (the deceased Conservative MP). But it certainly makes a lot of sense. After all, if people who had moved home, entered their names on the local voters role, It would make it easier for the council to find them to enforce payment of poll tax arrears. A large proportion of poll tax debtors were, of course, Labour voters.
At least she was good enough to talk about the taxpayer funding the NHS, rather than the clowns these days who talk about the government spending money on the NHS.
Why not just call it council tax. It goes to show that the tax itself was a certainty (from all parties) the only real smoke-screen was what it was called. That's politics - getting something done by hook or by crook.
The reason the poll tax was introduced had nothing to do with tax. It was cynically meant to penalise people on low incomes, who were mainly labour voters. It was hoped that in order to avoid paying, they would be forced to remove themselves from the voters role and therefore reduce the number of people able to vote for labour in an election.
for pets sake how can nations who have thousands of nuke weapons then critisize other nations who want them to protect them selves from america and britian . its so bloody childish its not funny . they detonate those nukes one day have no doubt of that .
My CT is £26 with rebates. Electricity/ gas £115. Monthly. It's ridiculous. Bedroom Tax or not, it's a good excuse to get out of this big 2 bedroomed flat I'm living in, and into a smaller studio closer to my parents who are getting on. I live a miserable isolated existence in a very boring area. New builds are overrated, and the govt. truly need to build proper houses SOMEHOW, and improve the conditions of working classed estates. Only came here as the area I was in was in deplorable condition.
Those are your opinions and assumptions,but I don't dispute there may be people who oppose the poll tax and fit in with the assumptions you raised.I disagree with privatising the NHS and refusing treatment for the unemployed.I merely expressed the tax system we have now penalises people 3 times by the council tax stage. First,for earning more.A flat income tax would still take more from higher earners and that is fine, the progressive is a swingeing penalty.Second,stamp duty.Third,council tax.
She clearly missed the fact that a poll tax had been tried before and similarly failed in the fairness stakes. Indeed, the person who imposed it, ended up being decapitated. Considering her love for history, Thatcher seemed to miss this
Conservatarian Hong Konger In my area we only have one water supply utility called Severn Trent. Also we only have trains from East Midlands Train. If I want water I can only use one water utility if I want a train I can only use East Midlands Trains. This is happening right across the country and I don't call one company a competition. Even when you look at the telephone and internet providers you get a maximum of like 10 big companies. So this is called an oligopolistic market. In terms of service they may compete but you do not see price competition in oligopolistic markets. As if one firm increases prices then there competitiors win. But if one firm decreases prices, then they are all forced to decrease prices. However all the firms would lose profirlt if they decrease prices. So in an oligopolistic market you do not see much price competition as there is usually price rigidity.
Conservatarian Hong Konger First of all there are these things called natural monopolies. Certain industries require firms to reach such a large scale for them to reach economies of scale. If you were to have two water companies in one city you would need double the infrastructure and this would lead to a lot of waste and environmental degradation. So in these industries it is to be expected that there would be monopolies. Thatcher instead sold of these public assests and we now have monopolies who control our utilities. In private hands they want to make profit which is to be expected. But the effect can be bad on the consumer as the monopoly will increase prices so that they can make profit whilst also investing in infrastructure. But a public corporation would be focused on increasing investment, as there are no shareholders to please. Also I tend to be more liberal on matters.
Conservatarian Hong Konger First of all you wouldn't be able to fund many of the things you take for granted without taxation. Secondly the libertarian view is silly with regards to the economy. If market forces were left totally unhindered then there would be a situation known as market failure. This is where the forces of demand and supply fail to allocate resources efficient. Examples include with alcohol, cigarettes, pollution and more. If you want a country with no tax and regulation how about Somalia?
Yes the tory tendency to give things which hit the poor and help the rich pretty names suggesting they're really about 'community' - is well known. Unfortunately for you guys, the veil slips so very much, it's rather clear that naming policies the way you would like to, is nothing more than a cynical and dishonest ploy - and shows just how little respect you have for the constituency. Let alone the working poor.
I still don't understand in a civilized society how we can steal/take people's money because they make more of it. Fairness implies equality. therefore, all taxes should be the same. therefore, it should be small to protect the poorest of the poor.
lol at the intro - I gotta say I can't imagine her going out with a skirt like that =P as far as the community charge goes it was a fiasco but I think had it been thought through and given some time she would have got it right.
@thatcheritescot- Pulling out of Europe would be disastrous. It's the politics of madness. In order to continue trading with Europe we'd have to agree with their conditions but we'd no longer have a seat at the table in order to negotiate those conditions. Catastrophically bad for business. It's a policy based on blind ideology rather than common sense.
Why is having a bunch of bureaucrats negotiating trade agreements better than having them step out of the way and allowing private firms to deal with each other voluntarily? If your firm that you have built and invested in produces leather and wants to sell to some Italian shoe manufacturers, in any quantity you can manage and agree on, how is that anyone's business but you and the company(ies) you can find to deal with you? And if some of those Italian firms want to purchase the raw cotton from India to produce laces, why can't they shop around and strike a deal with whomever they wish without interference? And without the protectionism and regulations imposed by force through governments, anyone can compete over price and quality in order to find customers who would benefit equally. How is it that people have developed the idea that without governing bodies, trade deals can't happen? One ought to be allowed to trade with whomever one wants to and can, and if one is blocked by some law....that's your real problem, not more laws.
Can I ask the leader of the opposition: If his party cane into government in, say, 1997, would he reverse the poll tax or just rebrand it as, I don't know, council tax?
In broad principle, the poll tax was right, moving from paying based on the price of a house to saying "a bin costs this much to empty, a street costs this much to sweep, regardless of the house beside it." Higher earners already contribute more through higher rates of tax. They are then stung again by paying higher rates of stamp duty on more expensive homes. Why should someone have to pay more to the council when their street is not cleared of snow but the street round the corner is instead?
She raised unemployment from under one million to over three million within two years of her being in power. It has never fallen below one million since. She sold the monetary dream to aspiring wanna be middle class which blew up in their faces when the financial crisis of 1987 came about, another result of her leadership. 1988 saw the biggest house repossession ever, both before and since, leaving people without their investments and very little possibility of climbing out of the debt they had been conned into. She deliberately drove down the working class, destroying industries such as mining and steel works and dividing communities, a well known and much used tactic of this kind of government when they want to create fear and obedience. It's called "divide and conquer", google it. She introduced poll tax which would only ever benefit the rich, never the average person. When she finally died most of the blinkered voters who had blindly supported her for 11 years couldn't stand her. She was a power hungry fascist bitch who had one agenda, an agenda that has been propagated by tories for years: fuck the working class, the backbone of this nation, let's sell off our public sector assets to foreign investors to line our own pockets and those of our financiers. Educate yourself, then wake up.
First of all unemployment did go up to over three million but that's because she was resetting the economy, inflation went down and yes miners lost jobs and steelworks etc but that's the point, they are old jobs and Britain needed modernisation giving birth to yuppies and to a boom in business start ups and higher quality jobs, yes she destroyed the trade union thank god. The "poll tax" the papers gave it that dumb name. Community charge is exactly the same as council tax but you have bands in council tax which makes a big difference but still she said "As with any other introduction of a new tax it will need to be amended as time goes on" meaning it wasn't the end all and plus it benefited Some average people and some it didn't just like the property tax before it benefit some and some not and yes it did benefit average people. the problem with the community charge was that it was implemented all at once and left wing local authorities put the community charge up on purpose to scoff at the conservatives, but some had to put it up because the tax was implemented all at once. And on the "Fascist" remark that you keep saying, Conservatives around the world aren't fascist's. You say I should educate my-self when you use the word fascist willy nilly without knowing what it means and I know that because she is far from a fascist my friend.
I think "poll tax" should be replaced by "The community charge" because that was it's proper calling. Poll tax seems to give undue glory to Kinnock and his band of union sponsored hackjobs. Just my opinion. Still love the video. Maggie's legacy will be forever remembered as great!
I'm still looking for the infamous footage of Thatcher stating that "the poll tax is very popular" and the opposition erupting into laughter. It must be out there somewhere...
Well we won't find it here. Thatcherites will never admit to Thatchers failings.
The irony coming from the iron lady’s mouth
While she was trying to defend the indefensible, those behind her, cheering were about to give her her marching orders.
Bizarre intro.
Crap intro.
BANG ON.
We had real difficulties in paying backdates on our Poll Tax 1990- 92, and in the spring of '92, we didn't receive our voting cards through the door. Thanks for clearing up a 2 decade old mystery for me. I was only 24 and busy working so I just thought " bugger it ".
Major was in for another FIVE YEARS...
The poll tax was a sign that she'd lost it. It was always going to be a vote loser, and Nigel Lawson (hardly a socialist by any stretch of the imagination) early worked out it would be a disaster.
"Poll tax" was also a semi-official name, not a derisive nickname used by "Kinnock and his band of union sponsored hackjobs".
I'm sure I read it in Alan Clark diaries (the deceased Conservative MP). But it certainly makes a lot of sense. After all, if people who had moved home, entered their names on the local voters role, It would make it easier for the council to find them to enforce payment of poll tax arrears. A large proportion of poll tax debtors were, of course, Labour voters.
At least she was good enough to talk about the taxpayer funding the NHS, rather than the clowns these days who talk about the government spending money on the NHS.
I want to thank you whoever runs this channel. Too bad we couldn't have someone like her over here in America.
Why not just call it council tax. It goes to show that the tax itself was a certainty (from all parties) the only real smoke-screen was what it was called. That's politics - getting something done by hook or by crook.
@thatcheritescot I'm curious as to know your thoughts on the Community Charge?
I’ve never quite understood what the unfairness was in individuals pay for local services. Can someone explain why in principle it’s unfair?
The reason the poll tax was introduced had nothing to do with tax. It was cynically meant to penalise people on low incomes, who were mainly labour voters. It was hoped that in order to avoid paying, they would be forced to remove themselves from the voters role and therefore reduce the number of people able to vote for labour in an election.
Well said John Stokes.
Did the Royal family pay The Poll Tax.
for pets sake how can nations who have thousands of nuke weapons then critisize other nations who want them to protect them selves from america and britian . its so bloody childish its not funny . they detonate those nukes one day have no doubt of that .
My CT is £26 with rebates. Electricity/ gas £115. Monthly. It's ridiculous. Bedroom Tax or not, it's a good excuse to get out of this big 2 bedroomed flat I'm living in, and into a smaller studio closer to my parents who are getting on. I live a miserable isolated existence in a very boring area. New builds are overrated, and the govt. truly need to build proper houses SOMEHOW, and improve the conditions of working classed estates. Only came here as the area I was in was in deplorable condition.
She was a hen farmer., but who gave her the idea for a poll tax.
And now Brexit is Here Maggie !!
And now Maggie is a rotted corpse. I feel sorry for any maggot who had to eat her flesh; even a maggot deserves better.
@@paulmcdonagh2579 Of course you'd say that.
That's an interesting theory... where can I read more on that?
Those are your opinions and assumptions,but I don't dispute there may be people who oppose the poll tax and fit in with the assumptions you raised.I disagree with privatising the NHS and refusing treatment for the unemployed.I merely expressed the tax system we have now penalises people 3 times by the council tax stage. First,for earning more.A flat income tax would still take more from higher earners and that is fine, the progressive is a swingeing penalty.Second,stamp duty.Third,council tax.
She clearly missed the fact that a poll tax had been tried before and similarly failed in the fairness stakes. Indeed, the person who imposed it, ended up being decapitated. Considering her love for history, Thatcher seemed to miss this
What impulse her that much to promove this tax?
I think Mrs Thatcher was an excellent PM but the poll tax was not the best of ideas.
In what ways she increased national debt, saw increasing inflation, interest rates and unemployment.
+Conservatarian Hong Konger Competition are you mad? All we have seen are oligiopolies who only care about profit and are failing in investment.
Conservatarian Hong Konger In my area we only have one water supply utility called Severn Trent. Also we only have trains from East Midlands Train. If I want water I can only use one water utility if I want a train I can only use East Midlands Trains. This is happening right across the country and I don't call one company a competition. Even when you look at the telephone and internet providers you get a maximum of like 10 big companies. So this is called an oligopolistic market. In terms of service they may compete but you do not see price competition in oligopolistic markets. As if one firm increases prices then there competitiors win. But if one firm decreases prices, then they are all forced to decrease prices. However all the firms would lose profirlt if they decrease prices. So in an oligopolistic market you do not see much price competition as there is usually price rigidity.
Conservatarian Hong Konger First of all there are these things called natural monopolies. Certain industries require firms to reach such a large scale for them to reach economies of scale. If you were to have two water companies in one city you would need double the infrastructure and this would lead to a lot of waste and environmental degradation. So in these industries it is to be expected that there would be monopolies. Thatcher instead sold of these public assests and we now have monopolies who control our utilities. In private hands they want to make profit which is to be expected. But the effect can be bad on the consumer as the monopoly will increase prices so that they can make profit whilst also investing in infrastructure. But a public corporation would be focused on increasing investment, as there are no shareholders to please. Also I tend to be more liberal on matters.
Conservatarian Hong Konger First of all you wouldn't be able to fund many of the things you take for granted without taxation. Secondly the libertarian view is silly with regards to the economy. If market forces were left totally unhindered then there would be a situation known as market failure. This is where the forces of demand and supply fail to allocate resources efficient. Examples include with alcohol, cigarettes, pollution and more. If you want a country with no tax and regulation how about Somalia?
Yes the tory tendency to give things which hit the poor and help the rich pretty names suggesting they're really about 'community' - is well known.
Unfortunately for you guys, the veil slips so very much, it's rather clear that naming policies the way you would like to, is nothing more than a cynical and dishonest ploy - and shows just how little respect you have for the constituency. Let alone the working poor.
The WORKING poor tend to vote Conservative, especially in recent years.
I still don't understand in a civilized society how we can steal/take people's money because they make more of it. Fairness implies equality. therefore, all taxes should be the same. therefore, it should be small to protect the poorest of the poor.
Geri only cared about keeping every last pound.
Reminds me of some sort of Harry potter thing when i see this
lol at the intro - I gotta say I can't imagine her going out with a skirt like that =P as far as the community charge goes it was a fiasco but I think had it been thought through and given some time she would have got it right.
@thatcheritescot- Pulling out of Europe would be disastrous. It's the politics of madness. In order to continue trading with Europe we'd have to agree with their conditions but we'd no longer have a seat at the table in order to negotiate those conditions. Catastrophically bad for business. It's a policy based on blind ideology rather than common sense.
Why is having a bunch of bureaucrats negotiating trade agreements better than having them step out of the way and allowing private firms to deal with each other voluntarily?
If your firm that you have built and invested in produces leather and wants to sell to some Italian shoe manufacturers, in any quantity you can manage and agree on, how is that anyone's business but you and the company(ies) you can find to deal with you? And if some of those Italian firms want to purchase the raw cotton from India to produce laces, why can't they shop around and strike a deal with whomever they wish without interference?
And without the protectionism and regulations imposed by force through governments, anyone can compete over price and quality in order to find customers who would benefit equally.
How is it that people have developed the idea that without governing bodies, trade deals can't happen?
One ought to be allowed to trade with whomever one wants to and can, and if one is blocked by some law....that's your real problem, not more laws.
13:52 at this moment.
Can I ask the leader of the opposition:
If his party cane into government in, say, 1997, would he reverse the poll tax or just rebrand it as, I don't know, council tax?
@Yoda on DMT - The poll tax was rebranded as the council tax by the Tories under the 'leadership' of John Major, not by Labour.
@@oddhominem Yes but that wasn't the question she asked.
How can anyone defend the poll tax?
God, that woman was vile.
One of the best prime minidters we ever had!!
@@philliplloyd6977 Are you on glue trapmire? Go and say that in a mining area. Sorry, former mining area thanks to that woman.
@@simracer1256 she didnt get everything right, but do you remember callaghan and the seventies?
Not half as vile as Callaghan!!!
In broad principle, the poll tax was right, moving from paying based on the price of a house to saying "a bin costs this much to empty, a street costs this much to sweep, regardless of the house beside it." Higher earners already contribute more through higher rates of tax. They are then stung again by paying higher rates of stamp duty on more expensive homes. Why should someone have to pay more to the council when their street is not cleared of snow but the street round the corner is instead?
I love mrs thatcher she was a great PM. I wish she was still an PM now. RIP
She was a fascist...wake up
A fascist?!, I think your the one who needs waking up
She raised unemployment from under one million to over three million within two years of her being in power. It has never fallen below one million since. She sold the monetary dream to aspiring wanna be middle class which blew up in their faces when the financial crisis of 1987 came about, another result of her leadership. 1988 saw the biggest house repossession ever, both before and since, leaving people without their investments and very little possibility of climbing out of the debt they had been conned into. She deliberately drove down the working class, destroying industries such as mining and steel works and dividing communities, a well known and much used tactic of this kind of government when they want to create fear and obedience. It's called "divide and conquer", google it.
She introduced poll tax which would only ever benefit the rich, never the average person.
When she finally died most of the blinkered voters who had blindly supported her for 11 years couldn't stand her.
She was a power hungry fascist bitch who had one agenda, an agenda that has been propagated by tories for years: fuck the working class, the backbone of this nation, let's sell off our public sector assets to foreign investors to line our own pockets and those of our financiers.
Educate yourself, then wake up.
First of all unemployment did go up to over three million but that's because she was resetting the economy, inflation went down and yes miners lost jobs and steelworks etc but that's the point, they are old jobs and Britain needed modernisation giving birth to yuppies and to a boom in business start ups and higher quality jobs, yes she destroyed the trade union thank god. The "poll tax" the papers gave it that dumb name. Community charge is exactly the same as council tax but you have bands in council tax which makes a big difference but still she said "As with any other introduction of a new tax it will need to be amended as time goes on" meaning it wasn't the end all and plus it benefited Some average people and some it didn't just like the property tax before it benefit some and some not and yes it did benefit average people. the problem with the community charge was that it was implemented all at once and left wing local authorities put the community charge up on purpose to scoff at the conservatives, but some had to put it up because the tax was implemented all at once. And on the "Fascist" remark that you keep saying, Conservatives around the world aren't fascist's. You say I should educate my-self when you use the word fascist willy nilly without knowing what it means and I know that because she is far from a fascist my friend.
She’s in the best place for her
I think "poll tax" should be replaced by "The community charge" because that was it's proper calling. Poll tax seems to give undue glory to Kinnock and his band of union sponsored hackjobs. Just my opinion. Still love the video. Maggie's legacy will be forever remembered as great!