Election Debate '87: Margaret Thatcher, Neil Kinnock and David Steel Face the Public (1987) - PART 2
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- In the days leading up to the 1987 general election, party leaders Margaret Thatcher (Conservatives), Neil Kinnock (Labour), and David Steel (Liberal-SDP Alliance) took turns to face a live studio audience and answer questions put to them by residents of three key battleground constituencies: Dudley West, Cheltenham, and Calder Valley. The three programmes together give a fascinating insight into the main issues in that year's election as well as the personalities of three of the country's most influential political figures.
The second programme, broadcast live on Monday 8 June 1987, saw British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher answer questions on the death penalty, the role of referenda in deciding policy, the state of the NHS, and the north-south economic divide.
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Whether you like her or hated her.. the quality of this discussion with the public is day and night on the way politicians communicate these days..
She was simply brilliant, regardless of her political beliefs, she was very articulate, witty and smart, you just don’t have anyone quite like her nowadays.
@@Nunov103 Policy matters not personality. No matter how you sugar coat it, her policies caused huge damage to large parts of the UK
Best leader the free world ever had. /Discussion.
She had integrity. As did Kinnock. And John Smith. These people went into politics because they believed in making peoples lives better, even if their methods were in some cases polar opposites. As opposed to most now in politics for their own personal gain, or ´for fun’. The lack of integrity is what is killing democracy in the west. Meanwhile autocracy and kleptocracy dominate other parts of the world. The west needs real leaders now, and Trump and Sunak aren’t them.
Maybe things were scripted and staged better before 😂
Remember when politicians had the guts to actually face the people?
And could actually answer the questions directly.
Not only that but people let her answer too.
Strange you say that , except for holiday time we have in Spain banks with humans to talk with , Never discovered what happened to the huge miners pension fund she sequestered
@@simonsadler9360madre mía, inglés de Albacete
People seemed more intelligent back then....
Putin does this yearly.
I actually wish we'd see more of this happen with modern PMs. I think there's too much stage management now. It's really helpful and useful to just see a PM engage in a back-and-forth discussion with a diverse audience of citizens.
Prime Minister’s are too scared of the public now. They have been since Major.
Omg if this happened today, none of them would answer their questions 😂. If Liz Truss was still PM she would repeat her answers 🤣
Tbf they just won’t answer questions these days. The current pr wind for whatever reason is as such so whatever forum they will just waffle.
What you think all these audience members werent carefully vetted?
Well chances are they were heavily vetted. The ironic thing here is that Margaret Thatcher was actually one of the pioneers of carefully curated political coverage in Britain. She modeled it after the Americans. If you look at the labour candidate at the time she was first running for PM, Michael Foot, he hardly had any televised campaigning and resorted to ranting over the radio or shouting atop a stage at various rallies.
no matter how much I disliked her , she was a very well spoken and a cool operator
Today's politicians would never submit themselves to this kind of grilling, particularly in the run-up to an election.
Politicians today literally still do this?
@@jakeicloud No.
@@ABC_DEF they do
@@jakeicloud Not in the UK, and not since the 90s.
@@ABC_DEF Yes, they do. They've had leader debates from the party leaders since around 2016.
Amazing that 36 years later, almost every topic in this archive footage is just as applicable to current circumstances as it was back then, it's almost like this is a current debate, utterly remarkable
It's because technologies change - human nature doesn't. So long as this world is dominated by people, the basic problems and issues will be forever the same regardless of our mechanical magnificence.
Isn't there graffiti in Rome from Roman times about people complaining about the rent being to high? History repeats itself!@@elagabalusrex390
I was thinking exactly the same.
Why? 😂 you think after 36 years all these issues would be resolved?
I never saw any human being speak so well like she does! Everyone that wants to improve his/her ability to talk in public, should watch her videos. She is unique!
You are right, she was almost superhuman.
She took language-courses before becoming PM.
Hear, hear!
@@reuterromain1054… are you implying that preparing herself well to DO HER JOB is some sort of injustice?
@@jonathankieranwriter bro what he just was providing some info on the subject of her public speaking ability
Masterclass in how you actually answer questions correct with detail and truth and without shouting anybody down and she also is great at helping someone formulate their questions a little better
This witch devastated working class communities.
@@Morning404 How exactly? In order to make such a statement one should be able to back it up thoroughly
@@tarync6539 I've just told you - by devastating working class communities. Search 'managed decline' and see what the first result is.
@@Morning404 You havent told me anything. How EXACTLY did she do it?
@@tarync6539 What do you mean how EXACTLY did she do it? She was the PRIME MINISTER - she pushed through an agenda of CUTTING spending on health, social and education spending - which was particularly evident in northern towns like Liverpool (which is why I told you to search MANAGED DECLINE).
At the same time, the country saw an explosion of wealth inequality with state assets being sold to CLOSE friends and donors or Tory politicians. We are in the middle of an energy crisis with the HIGHEST prices in Europe and it's not even occuring to you that Thatchers legacy of selling of British Gas to private shareholders has a direct link to the type of runaway unaccountable private greed that her agenda and rhetoric has fostered in this country.
You can continue to play dumb but the reality is her legacy is of greed and links with evil dictators like pinochet. Thankfully, polls show younger people see through her bs and she's generally disfavoured amongst age groups that aren't boomers.
Watching her is addictive. One can learn a great deal from the way she handles sudden controversial questions and hostilities, regardless of one's political tendency.
By avoiding the question? You can learn that from most any politician nowadays... not exactly a compliment
another ponce calls himself one.
Unpolished people can also learn not to be controversial and hostile, like her. They can also learn to mind their own business and not speak, if they’re going to make offensive statements. Instead of encouraging people to deal with hostilities, why don’t you discourage hostility?
It is because she is informed, aware, prepared, and speaks honestly according to her convictions and data. Was she perfect? NO!!! Find a perfect leader in the history of this earth-in a home, in a town, in a city, in a county, in a state, in a country, on a continent, across the world! No leader will please every human. This is the delusion and bizarre, impossible DEMAND of the far Left and the far Right. We have seen the bloodshed through centuries and centuries that results from this kind of extremism on both sides.
It will NEVER end, not as long as humans exist. This is our nature.
Occasionally, strong and reasonable voices appear in the form of genuine leadership and power-hers was one such voice. But not the most perfect voice, the most capable leader would ever solve the human societal problem. Totalitarianism? Really.
No. This “town hall”-style meeting is outstanding because everyone got to give her a go, she got to speak directly to individuals, and it was civil, even though genuine sufferings were evident, even though she, alone, could never solve every single iota of serious issues. It doesn’t work that way.
But at least a leader cared enough to face the people and face their questions. Right, wrong, in the middle, or outside the line-if you find another leader like this, CHERISH THE PROCESS, even if you don’t agree.
she learnt her argument style from milton friedman, and took her accent from the queen, combine those two and you have a solid foundation to work on
Margaret Thatcher is woman who many people did not like, but they damn well respected her. Anyone who underestimated her did so at their own risk.
People did not like her because the intellectuals are on the left.
Who respected her?
The legacy is what is telling about this women. And it's not pretty. 33 years later and it's quite apparent what her legacy is. And it is her fault. We are now a highly services based economy and decent affordable housing has been destroyed as a concept of human right to one of 'hope for the best and expect the worst'.
Thatcher enabled Saville and lets face it, probably knew/surmised behind the scenes that he was doing bad things but he was useful in his fundraising activities that spoke to her ideology of less state, more individual. I find it quite interesting that the same people that seem to have a boner for Thatcher, would call for hell and eternal suffering for Saville.
She was ousted against her will in 1990. She had very obviously overstayed her welcome at that point and she'd likely have continued for another several years on her terms. If she was truly that frightening she'd have saved herself and carried on until probably 1997 when Blair would have perhaps banished her government just the same.
@@matthewburns7989I will agree with the sentiment that she overstayed her welcome and should have quit while she was marginally ahead
Many of her cabinet that disagreed , straight out , was called a thug , & now you poor brits the same again except the fourth reich in power , how dare the put pensioners in the situation where the have to buy çandles for winter light , never in Socialist Spain 🇪🇸 . That's why the nice man Vladimir Putin is now sending us cheaper oil products , Demented Biden refuses face to face . Read Russian history .Ucrania always was part of the motherland , take this on board you Russian haters , many brave Russian women & men gave their lives to prevent Hitler invading Britain , in a Spanish magazine foto & text of Ucranian women making tank shells for the Nazis . incredible but a very high % of Spanish want Russia to join the E.U .
You are living her dream , a couple from Birmingham via cheap eco flights visited out Alicante . Absolutely unbelievable the electric single from Birmingham to London £80 . For an annual payment of €25 . can go from Valencia to Paris on the H.S.T for €9.0 ( nine ) . Apart from comments Spanish is my prime language now !
Love her or loathe her, she was really a capable orator
"Love her or loathe her" = "I love her"
not much use, if you're running the country into the ground and selling all our industries haha
@@E83X It's really interesting that people are assuming I'm for her. Although I wasn't born when she was leader, I've never liked her or the Conservatives, neither have my family. I just saw this and thought she at least answered questions directly, unlike most of the recent politicians who use many words to say basically nothing o.O
@@DrAshaphim I agree! I’m neither Conservative or Labour, but I think she definitely answers the audiences’ questions without hesitation. You could say she was a true Tory, a true PM.
Loathe her
I am shock .They discussed this issues 35 years ago and still these issues never been solved until this day.
unsolvable issues
@@Liberaven *Inevitable issues
For the last 50 years politicians have found it easier to talk than to do.
Blair's Labour reduced NHS, waiting times to the lowest rate in 50yrs. It can be done.
'The more things change, the more they stay the same'
This should be the duty of the PM EVERY MONTH
Sure, she may not be everyone's cup of tea but at least she has a spine of steel.
You might not like her but at least you know what you are getting from her.
Why can't we have politicians like her?
She had more balls that most politicians today . The liberals have taken over .
"not be everyone's cup of tea"
Mate, she destroyed the fucking country and cast thousands into poverty while removing the chance of a decent life from most of us. What a fucking understatement and a half.
She puts politicians on all sides to shame, we need someone like her, not necessarily with her political views, but how she is as a person. Funny same arguments still going on.
We do have people like her - the problem is that most of them end up banned, cancelled, or censored. Very dark times we live in today, sadly.
@@elagabalusrex390Farage?
@@RiordanLadyGaga He'll echoe her fate soon enough I think. At the rate he's screwing with the Tory party, they'll have him in prison or worse soon, just like Julian Assange, on the basis of him being a "purveyor of misinformation" or some such nonsense. Wait and see if they don't- especially once the labour/communist party retakes control in Britain shortly.
Right or wrong in her policies, Thatcher, wipes the floor with any MP from the current day. She answers questions directly and avoids evasion; has immense courage and strength of character, and no previous scandals against her name....(expenses, tax fraud etc...), and lastly, she wasn't silver spoon fed, but came from a working class family.
Formidable woman, on those terms. This is what good leaders should be made of...
Explains a lot doesn't it? Hard men (and women) make good times, good times make soft men (and women).
@@elagabalusrex390 If you think that's how history works, I have a harsh truth for you. It's astrology for "history nerds."
Except she evades questions multiple times throughout this interview. At 13:20 the woman asks her why taxes are going towards private hospitals even though, rather than National hospitals, they don’t financially benefit individual citizens. She evades the question, spins it, and then they just move on.
Watch the “debate.” She does this multiple times.
Yeah soo good she came from working class fsmily and then smashed unions. Shes a class traitor
It's very hard to believe that Truss seriously fancied herself as Thatcheresque. There's such an astonishing chasm of intelligence and ability between the two.
I like Truss. But she's like The Riddler and Thatcher is her Batman 🦇
@@Gavin48 The bond market was her Batman.
@@decorrea1 lol true. I see them and the Bank of England as more like the Police and the Mob in The Dark Knight and The Batman. They are all corrupt. Liz like The Riddler in The Batman was trying to expose all the corruption but went about it the wrong way.
Truss is so hot #PoshTotty
I’m not usually a “race baiter” but it seems obvious that Truss was chosen over Rishi due to race.
I don't think I ever saw any politician answer that directly to every questions before... And she's not flinching to any criticism either!
@Abitofsanity Yeah, I got that feeling from the little context we got here that she was pretty subjective about the narrative she wanted. It paints a fair picture of how much more aggressive the 1980s were!
Still establish a clear frame of reference prior to her election though. As in : "vote for me if you want that to become the version of the truth we build upon". Or : "Would you wager that this couldn't have been foreseen / morally avoided". That still is taking a position about the future, however wrong it may be.
Most politicians today seems to be afraid to declare themselves about how they view the world and what they'd want from it. They'd dance around revealing questions like that. That's how we end up with a parliament of shady characters that all tell the same things but will end up governing according to lies we don't even hear about.
We end up with trendy issues being flaunted the whole electoral campaign, while ignoring festering issues that have plagued the nation, often for decades. And the minute they get power, they resume the rule of kleptocracy away from these same issues.
At least in Canada.
Maybe that kind of public forum with open confrontation is what we'd need here. Though I'm mostly certain we'd end up with people screaming at each other out of their mic time. -_-'
Fair play to her! She stood her ground. A true conviction politician!
Clown your Steel comes from china
Hitler, Stalin & Mussolini were 'conviction politicians' so what's your point ?? 😂
@@petermills542I wouldn’t compare Thatcher to Hitler or Stalin.
@@CanadianMonarchist
But I didn't !! You've misunderstood. My point concerned 'conviction' being necessarily a virtue!! 😄
@@CanadianMonarchistShe sure liked being friends with fascists though...
Disagreed with many of the things she did, but she was definitely not afraid to have her decisions and opinions challenged and was a smart debater and effective orator. I do understand why people supported her, she was without question a strong leader who people saw as standing up for Britain
An unbiased admirable accolade and analysis. I concur.
One might have disagreed with her policies, but her quality of argument, being on top of her brief and passion were, and are, unrivalled.
The quality of PM and cabinet were so much higher back then. Going up to the North to answer questions from the traditionally non Tory base showed her character and integrity.
Agree with her or not, she was more honest than most current politicians.
TO ALL THE POLITICIANS,SHE NEEDS TO BE A TEACHER AND ROLE-MODEL!
“Honest’. She dodged questions, especially on the NhS just as politicians do today.
- She led to high unemployment rates in the 80s while deepening a recession.
- She deindustrialised the country, basically moving our own home made goods and our industry opening up markets to slave labour in the East particularly in China.
Then introduced major cuts to the welfare state. The working class became economically damaged, poorer; and all these actions still bear an extreme scar today.
- She introduced a law that prohibited the “promotion” of homosexuality.
- Did nothing to solve the Irish question.
- Opposed devolution to Scotland (my country).
I could go on, but she’s equipped to dodge every question on the table, but people lap it up to this day because she sounds like a posh wallet. Who frankly didn’t care about people yards from her cosy house in London.
I mean you would probably say the same thing about anyone who is dogmatic or an ideologue - exactly the kind of people you do NOT want leading your country. A lot of the problems facing the country today are due to policies laid down by Thatcher.
@@HaggardPillockHD I completely agree with you. I'm from Scotland.
She wasn't honest - she couldn't even offer a single example of a mistake she had ever made!
One thing I notice as time goes on, is people who disagreed with her say "at least she was principled and you knew where you stood." Certainly compared to every PM since.
Absolutely. Profoundly disagree with her politics. I’m certainly a centrist with a left leaning. However, she was phenomenal in ability, principled, stood for what she believed and didn’t waver. Politics today does not have figures like her. The closest example is people like Jeremy Corbyn ironically. His obstinate way of looking at politics and not stepping down from the principles, even when it meant voting against his own party for a decade, that is the type of standing on principle that thatcher showed us. Jeremy of course is a bit of a failure in politics.
@@willgiles6848 I agree with you about JC - the Establishment was terrified of him.
@@willgiles6848 And thank god for that.
She was someone who truly believed in what she was doing. You always knew where she stood. Not a phoney.
Phoney*
The same could be said of Adolf Hitler.
@@mikelheron20 I believe the point of the original commenter was that unlike politicians in our time, who are secretive, manipulative, and contradictory, Thatcher stayed true to herself and she never hid who she was. I believe this TV program is proof of that. Did she answer every question perfectly? No. But would you dare see the likes of Theresa May, Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak even take part in an interview like this? Extremely doubtful. They'd object, dodge, squirm, and likely jump out the window if they could.
Or you could say she had a rigid mind
I didn't like her back then and still disagree with many of her policies but must admit she was more capable and had more wisdom than all the PMs who came after her put together
You know, you don't have to comment on Hitler's good sides, right? Like, you can just leave it at 'he was a bad man' and not give him any credibility when his ideology created far more bad than good.
@@Capybarrrraaaa What a preposterous standard you imply. No matter how bad a leader is, you absolutely *must* look at what few things they did well, or you risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
@@charliecharliewhiskey9403when she failed at providing the most basic of security to vulnerable people, by choice, I no longer care about her good sides.
Her intention isn't to do good.
@MrGamermandan you know there is an ancient chat forum law that I'd like to invoke called Godwin's law. Reductio ad Hitlerum indicates that you are probably unable to discuss Thatcher rationally.
She was a good very strong leader
No she wasn't. She was a terrible leader who put her principles above all.
The Nations last proper Prime Minister.
I wrote her a Christmas card once thanking her for her service, not knowing it would be her final Christmas(2012). She sent a hand signed reply.
A truly remarkable and inspirational woman.
John Major was alright.. bit dull not bad.
@Lucas Taylor John Major was underrated. He was an outstanding leader and Prime Minister
@@roscomeon3965
I agree with underrated.. but not outstanding. I remember the Major years and discipline in the Tory party pretty much collapsed under his leadership. He is a decent man.. but as a leader not strong!
@Lucas Taylor Abraham Lincoln couldn't have held the party together. A small cohort of right wing fundamentalist Eurosceptics were determined to cause problems. They were mired in the past with ideas of past glories which never existed. They conveniently ignored that it was Lady Thatcher herself who signed up to the Single Market. And John Major subsequently got all the necessary opt outs , social charter is just one example.
@@roscomeon3965 yeah, the 'Thatcher took us in' stuff doesn't hold much weight. The EU was a very different beast back then.
Just look at the Ukraine war for example - we don't barely hear the opinion of France, Germany, Italy etc - its all done by Ursula. Its much more than a 'Common Market' now.
She is incredible. She addresses every question head- on with precision, honesty and always has all facts and data to support her opinion.
She never avoids taking an unpopular stance and brings forward her arguments with amazing reasoning and eloquence.
I have never seen any other politician being so on point and clear in their answers.
Absolutely amazing!
Very critical audience they picked there, over half even refuse to applaud at the end.
They were surprisingly ill-mannered and surly. I thought that their behaviour was shocking.
@@VI-rt7shCorrect but she refused to rise to the bait, and remained cool calm and collected.
Thank you Lady Thatcher, you were brilliant!
What a dignified and gracious leader. Old school British of which there is barely a vestige left now.
Let me guess, to many black people and people talking about feelings for your liking?
@danh555 Conservatives give themselves away every time because of their thinly veiled, blatant xenophobia that drives all of their rhetoric. Not my fault that I can read what they're thinking before they open their mouths because they all sing from the same hymn sheet. The fact that you complain about me pulling 'the race card' shows the insecurity of right wing thinking because you don't like it when it gets exposed before you have a chance to dress it up as 'tradition' or 'Christian values' or whatever B.S it is that day.
@@fibson9775Exactly, except the colour of anyone doing that is completely irrelevant.
Thatcher never needed to say she was strong because she was.
Truss: I'm strong. I'm a fighter. (Lasts 5 minutes)
Thatcher: being in power is like being a lady, if you have to keep telling people that you are, then your not.
She was so eloquent and capable , so smart and strong, it's so scary that she ended up with Alzheimers and Dementia, you would never have known that would be her end by watching this debate or others
she was an evil witch. 90% of the problems the UK faces now can be traced back directly to her, the housing crises, the privitasation of oil, gas, railways...
@@nakedmolerat437 What does that have to do with what I said?
@@vitothepizzaguy7475 "smart and strong" LOL. In what way? being a liar? being convinced against all evidence? that the opposite of both those values
@@nakedmolerat437 You did not watch this debate
@@vitothepizzaguy7475 I don’t have to watch this particular debate to know the woman was pure evil
I was 26 years old when this was filmed and I bought a flat in Kensington, London which was amazing compared to my parents who only ever rented there house in Fulham. I really moved up and it’s all thanks to Margret Thatcher. ❤❤❤ the best prime minister this country has ever had. EVER
Awful woman if you lived in reality.
Agree David... the debate is so refreshing (being an idiot smart guy).. I am so glad you made your choices.. I fear most for my kids who, as smart and hard working as they might be, dont get the chance... us oldies need to do better... our leaders need disruption ... I still believe common sense plus science and technology will help..A
I am very happy for you, that you managed to buy in such a nice area. However, people now cannot afford to buy or get on the housing ladder unless you have access to the Bank of Mum and Dad! Not enough council houses built when the right to buy scheme came into operation. I have worked in the North of England and have seen very little development after the closure of the mines. No investment in Green energy that I could see, no training for ex-miners, steel nor shipyard workers. Free market and trickle down economics, privatisation that she and other right wing politicians, advocated were a flop!!! It was not just her fault but that of other PMs in addition to Margaret Thatcher.
@ if you want something to blame it’s call immigration Asians took all your houses and now rent them back to us at inflated prices.
Extremely enjoyed listening to this!
I can't imagine any of our last 4/5 PMs answering this well with so much conviction in what they're saying. She was one of a kind
I love Mrs Thatcher!
She wasn't called the iron lady for nothing she had bigger balls then most men did back then
And compared them nowadays too... She really was as she refers to herself a General.
It was the Russians who christened her the Iron Lady in 1976.
That would explain a lot about her personality.
@@eightiesmusic1984 and whats your point
@@HaiderShami12 ??
Straight talking from Thatcher, no interruption, no irritating applause all the time.
BBC question time should take note.
Although, I do not subscribe to her politics, I think she was very smart, eloquent and intelligent, and she appears human .
She really is so forward and ready to fight her position. 💅
Unfortunately she didn't care for Ireland and even if she didn't directly order it she killed thousands
As an Aussie I always loved and respected this tough, clever, nationalist woman. Wished our P.M. was half as good.
ScMo was awful and the next one is bad. But Sunak is awful compared to her.
@@chockablock34857 yeah, and he is a pawn of the bankers, he doesn’t care he has billions in the bank
Accountability. That's what this is.
25:30 you can clearly see her straining to recall facts - what an amazing women she was in so many ways.
the wicked bitch is dead
She was absolutely right. Shamed the poor and ignorant people who underestimate her creditability just because of her toughness.
Cringe
"poor" just tells me all i need to know
Absolute L take
Lol, this is clearly a Leftist who posted this comment, in case that wasn't obvious.
A woman of principals. Unlike today's political leaders,! Credit do to her! Maggie was a great speaker from the heart. Rip lady Thatcher 🙏
Agreed, she gets a lot of flack for some misplaced priorities and not immediately fixing a country..but Thatcher came into a job as the first woman to do it, surrounded my seasoned old stuffy men who couldn’t stand her, and she worked the absolute hardest she could. My Prime Minister is constantly traveling or at his multi million cottage, I honestly don’t remember the last thing Trudeau did for Canada. Thatcher never took a day off. Truly exemplifies what it means to be a “public servant” and a leader. A different time for sure
A hated woman where I come from.
@adeleellie6 where I am from she usednto be perhaps, but then we didn't see the absolute shower of poop that was come our way since. Turns out she was actually a great leader and a principled woman. You knew where you stood with her. She was actually honest aswell as far as politicians go.
@@Dan.Dawson You knew where you stood awright - in the firing line. She might have been honest but she was an honest bitch
@@adeleellie6 that's subjective I think.. Labour and Tories of today are dishonest and do it anyway is my point.
Phenomenal articulation
I despair of the comparative lack of quality today of both our politicians and their electors !
Amazing how all the critical comments of her I've seen in the comments section show a lot of respect for her abilities and her character even if they disagree with her. I don't think that happened at the time. When she was in power, I remember many people loathing her and would not even be able to acknowledge any good qualities. Of course, many more loved her and just quietly voted for her!
Watching the Brits cheering and celebrating her death as if she has occupied them under a Nazi regime was astounding to watch.
Falklands would have been Argentina had she not stepped in.
Well in her case she clearly had support. You don’t win 3 victories without being supported. Some of the anger was understandable considering she literally shafted a lot of places with no way for people to find work. Was it all her doing no, Wilson closed more mines than anybody but people don’t talk about that enough
Had I been alive during the Thatcher years,I would have probably hated her politics and still don’t like many of them now.
But by god,the way she answers questions,the oratory skills,the imposing yet assertive figure that she gives off whilst speaking has yet to be replaced. It’s no wonder people like Tony Benn etc respected her even though they were her harshest critics
I was alive during her years and she turned me from Labour to Conservative.
I miss the uk of then. It is now sadly gone forever
I cannot imagine the current Indian Prime Minister answering questions from the citizens of India. Great to see the best of British democracy. Hope we in India had such transparency.
@@liamb8644
Wtf .That's an absurd comparison !!
That is sad. I hope it gets better and they do interact with ordinary people…
Who, Richi Sunak? 😂
@petermills542 Modi too busy chasing Sikhs, Muslims, and printing sloppy money to talk to normies...
A great Lady
*Wicked
The Greatest
@@matthewarmitage6681 wicked witch
This moderator is gold.. handles it really well.. Mrs T handles this so well ... esp by todays standards... can our modern BBC and ABC learn from this lovely discussion and debate... and well done audience too
That’s Peter Sissons. He passed away a few years ago. We live in the same town and when I was a teenager, I scanned his weekly shopping at my weekend supermarket job. A very pleasant and polite man. He also got some cornflakes down from a high shelf for my mum 😂
She's amazing.
God as an American - I miss Maggie. Face the electorate, make your case, stay strong, direct Your government, and let the people decide for themselves
But in the end she couldn’t direct her government and people did choose for themselves cause she wanted the god awful poll tax and no one else did
An admirable accolade and analysis.
Absolutely agree.
🇬🇧 🤝 🇺🇸
Yeah, right. 😂
What a remarkable woman.
As an Argentine myself, I so much enjoy listening to Thatcher's expositions.
What a woman.and they stabbed her in the back.These people asking questions couldn’t hold a candle to her.One of our greatest Prime Ministers. And what has the country got now.Spineless wonders.
I would love to hold a candle to her. Hell, let's go bigger, I'd love to hold a whole bonfire to her.
What a honest women 👏 she answered very clearly and honestly
Living legend we need this in todays politics
She was impressive here 👏🇬🇧
She was as sharp as a tack . Brilliant mind. Always courteous. Never lost her cool. It is hard to believe that within 10 years she would be suffering from dementia.
She was not told to stop speaking publicly until 2002 so it was a lot more than 10 years
She had no emotional intelligence or compassion. She hurt a lot of people due to her arrogance and inability to understand other people.
@@fibson9775The extent to which her mindset was fixed is disturbing although she was, ironically, more flexible than the public image suggested. When ministers challenged her she would listen.
@@fibson9775 agreed. She was an awful woman with a disastrous legacy. Right to by anyone?
@Morning404
Yeah, what a crime. The Left never want anyone off the government teet.
My word…not a fan of Tatcher but she showed class here where modern politicians do not. We have regressed as a society.
What a great woman!!!
I adore you Maggie. You've always been my political inspiration. Her vast knowledge of issues of all kind, her coherence, her professionalism. Those pinkos in the audience were just rotting at hearing her talk. What a woman.
Go visit the ex-mining towns north of England whose economies never recovered from her administration. You’ll find it’s “pinko free” here pal.
@@stormhawk3319 ditto, she was evil cow
@@stormhawk3319 I’m sat in one right now and I’m poor.
Climate change means they would’ve closed anyway. Urbanisation and the deprivation of these areas is happening all across Europe. People are moving to cities.
She stopped subsidising something that was already doomed.
In her shoes, what set of policies would’ve helped? What would you do if Scargill didn’t win a National ballot of the NUM and called the strike anyway? His policy was that not a single mine should ever close for economic reasons. If she’d continued subsidising the mines, would that be a good thing?
These things are not black and white and even though they would never admit it publicly a lot of people around here agree.
@@aaronclarke1434 Thatcher certainly didn’t close the mines for “environmental” reasons, she couldn’t have cared less about going green. The pit closures were simply the grand plan to cripple and ultimately destroy the unions which she despised. Workers rights where an anathema to her as she wanted everyone forced into self employment which is an almighty double edged sword which created a “dog eat dog” working culture and those who did remain employees where those who she wanted returned to “Victorian values “ which basically was doffing your cap to the gaffer and be grateful just to have a job in the pre-Union/basic workers right era.
She expanded the gap between the rich and poor, created the north/south divide, slowly made London a city state more and more divorced from the rest of the country, sold off the nations assets to private and foreign ownership and thought the economy of the country could rest solely on the stock exchange whilst closing down our manufacturing industries and importing goods instead of exporting our own.
@@stormhawk3319 a fairly good set of criticisms of Thatcher. Only one of which addresses the mines.
I know she wasn’t doing it for environmental reasons, but I’m saying regardless of who is in office that coal mining was a doomed industry.
I think a lot of people disliked Thatcher as a person but they knew without a doubt that she did a very good job. No one doubted who would be best to lead Britain in times of danger. Modern conservatives should take note about how it is done. Thatcher would be Reform UK if she were alive.
What a privilege it was for me to have Margaret as my Prime Minister! Just like Churchill!
Yet another great rendition!
Most elegant politician ever!!!
She was open, frank and direct. You never hear frank, straight answers like hers from any of the present day politicians
She looks absolutely marvellous - a strong leader who was prepared to argue her case!
"Looks marvellous" ?? 😄😂
Yeah 'with the eyes of Caligula' as she was memorably described!!
A true politician like no other
Remember when people were able to have a civil conversation without shouting over the top of each other or canceling each other's point of view?
Best prime minister we have had in modern times
We've not had a real PM since Thatcher. God bless her.
No politician today would, or could, submit themselves to such a grilling from ordinary members of the public in this way. Nor could they handle themselves in the way she could.
Impressive - answers every question carefully . She was a clever woman and was happy to submit her record to the public debate like this. Balls!
Women don’t have and don’t need balls plus male testicles have nothing to do with courage anyways.
Impressive . She said what she thought . Unabashed !
She is the best prime minister we ever had
It is extremely sad to see the calibre of leadership we have today!
A modern day Thatcher is what we need in these troubled times
i love how she just didn’t give a sh!t 😂😂
Despite what most say I personally adore her and would be pleased now if she was here now to sort the UK out
she answered to the questions !
best PM we ever had. wish we had her back now
the wicked bitch is dead
Second after Churchill. Come off it.
@@dannyarcher6370 Attlee was a far better peacetime PM than Churchill could ever hope.
@@portman8909 The statement was "best PM we ever had" not "best peacetime PM we ever had". Tell me that Attlee would have done better than Churchill during the war.
@@dannyarcher6370 No but how often do you get a world war? Churchill is not the best PM ever. Peacetime ratings are more important.
How did we go from this to a Circus 🎪 😂
To everyone saying they disagree with her? What do you disagree with and why? And how do you rebuke her actual arguments, other than by saying your fantastical opinions?
charismatic leader persuasive prime minister
She was respected and hated in equal measure. It is funny how the people who hated her mellowed towards her when looked back on today. She was somewhat of a general considering the falklands war. She called it and she was right. If we'd have let the Falklanders down then the whole commonwealth would have thought that when it comes to the crunch we don't have their back and this was a ideal battleground to prove that how small a dominion of the commonwealth you think you are. You know that Great Britain considers you a kin and that we have your back. Period !!
Mellowed, be christ?! I don't know a single person around me that doesn't want every vestige of her burned from existence.
@@CapybarrrraaaaYou clearly have a miniscule circle of acquaintances.
@@stevebaker6149 Same could be said for yourself. Such a nothingness to say.
@@Capybarrrraaaa No, we are more realistic, not stuck in the past mindlessly blaming one woman for everything wrong in the world. Especially not a woman who won 3 General Elections in a democracy.
@@stevebaker6149 Defensiveness. You don't need to excuse her or the state. You are your own person with your own beliefs.
I never said one woman caused all the wrongs. I wouldn't, either, in the same way I wouldn't blame Hitler for all the wrongs. They're just notable, high-profile and high-impact figures.
"Democracy" isn't a single idea, and there are plenty of people who disagree with the British implementation. Wales and Scotland have never voted for Conservatives, yet they were burned by Conservative ideology all the same.
I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like 'Democracy'. That sounds like an invading state using its own structures to exploit other countries it headlocked into co-dependence. Not an unexpected choice, given Britain's colonialist history.
Byddwch yn berson eich hun, Steve. Mae'n llawer o dda i ti.
She was the last proper UK PM, regardless of your political view. Look at the crap since.
Exceptional woman at a time not easy for women in politics...RIP⭐ M. THATCHER🌷
She is the best of Britain.
Another great one gone, but never forgotten
Look at Maggie's confidence ❤❤❤
She was more like a Queen than a Prime Minister.
She was a smart cookie, that’s for sure.
Peter Sissons was also a gentleman - not interrupting the guest every 7 seconds.
Never voted for her but she was a formidable politician and good communicator even if you didn’t like her message.
She would wipe the floor with the current generation of politicians we have today, she could answer a bloody question for one thing…
Since the stage managed days of Tony Blair, you'd never get politicians actually talking to people. Gordon Brown tried it once though