You are definitely more than a hobbyist when it comes to classic video games, Mike. You're a professional video game player, a living encyclopedia of information about how these games play and how they make a generation of people feel, and an afficionado as far as classic hardware goes.
31:28 RYAN's DISSERTATION ON ELECTRONS HAS MADE MY WHOLE 2021 YEAR!!!! SO MUCH FUN, RIP BETTY WHITE, LOVE YOU GUYS, AND THIS NEW PODCAST. HAPPY NEW YEAR. ITS A FUN MEME, yes, BUT I (and most people) AM 100% TOTALLY SINCERE WHEN I SAY... BIG RYAN FAN, BTW!!!!!!
Just wanted to say that I love this show. Every episode is incredibly informative and ultimately I think it all comes from your guy's passions for gaming. Keep up the great work guys, looking forward to more episodes.
It doesn’t matter how you play the games you like as long as you enjoy playing it the way you do. Nobody can tell you how to enjoy those games you like but they can help in making the experience better if you’re open to it.
Ryan’s discussion on physical aspects of a computer is important. Stuff like noise from gates can cause issues, all of which leads to the “feel’ of hardware
Did physics and electrical engineering in school. Studied silicon doping, gate design and used fpgas. Ryan was dead on with the electron comment from day 1.
Huge load fan btw (love yall's show keep it up for real. i'm from philly and it feels like when i just used to hang out with my bros and well...talk about games)
The load was huge! Anyway I saw you say in the chat you wish I'd cover more games you were into. Like what? We may have a different taste in games, which is fine. Let me know, and thanks for watching.
@@mikematei my favorites tend to be 3d action adventure games like dark souls/bloodborne/demon's souls, sekiro, nier automata. also a fan of metroidvanias, you might like blasphemous? it has that retro sprite look and it's super fun and just difficult enough imo. there are also some fairly linear hack and slash games like bayonetta 2 or devil may cry 5 that look amazing and are super fun beat-em-ups. also have you played returnal? super fun and fast paced 3rd person shooter for ps5, roguelike, and uses the new adaptive trigger and haptic feedback stuff on the ps5 controller the best i've played so far. made me really feel like i was playing a next gen game and that the console purchase was worth it. binding of isaac is another super fun roguelike but the aesthetic of it kinda bugs me. thanks for the reply! have a happy new year
I had to get a huge pot of coffee to sit through 31:28 and I still don't think Ryan has any clue what he's talking about but he says it with so much conviction I can't turn it off.
Mike is 100% spot on that Ryan will regret selling his games should he choose to do so. Years back when I was in college and had no money at all, I sold my collection of almost 60-70 N64 games for about $350 dollars to Digital Press. I had some pretty valuable games like Conker, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario, Harvest Moon 64 as well all of the classics. Even when I was counting the money, I instantly knew that I would come to regret it.
GB Studio has existed for a while now, way before the Analogue came out; and people have already made hundreds of games with the software. There are tons of brand new original Game Boy and Game Boy Color games coming out every single year (on physical carts). I don't know why any serious developer would use the Analogue to develop a game as the program is so much better on PC.
Is there a way to circumvent the analogue to digital conversion and send the analogue signal directly to a crt? Also, does converting the analogue signal to digital, and then sending it, via a dac, to a crt cause any issues?
I remember when ppl hated on Ryan but he knows what he is talking about I always thought he added a new and interesting perspective to retro gaming especially to those of us who don’t understand the technical aspects of gaming
@6:29 Well emulation is actually pretty awesome. If one plays retro rpgs with bugs and balancing issues or censored graphics and dialogue then emulation is the only way to play patched rebalanced and uncensored versions of those games. Granted I can totally see what you guys mean about lag and sound issues. I'd just love to have a rebalanced uncensored bug fixed version of my favorite games with no lag or sound issues on a tv.
Yeah I'm also happy with emulation. I think if you're playing classic games regularly having a more authentic setup is great, but using something like Retroarch with CRT Royale and frame slipping to reduce lag will be a more reasonable solution for many.
I miss Mike on AVGN man, like seriously listening to Mike talk about these old sh*tty bootleg consoles sounds just like the nerd himself. And he's funny, contrary to whatever they're doing now.
Another nice thing about Everdrives, is that you can use IPS patches on your ROMs; to legally apply hacks or translations to them. So if you buy a physical copy of FF5 for SFC, and dump your ROM to a file-system; you can then patch it with an English translation and play your own ROM, _which came from your own physical copy of SFC-FF5,_ on a real console. Which is another good reason to _never_ liquidate your physical game collection, if you can help it. Those carts are essentially an extremely durable "ROM Archive"; far more durable than any form of storage you probably have on your computer. Because even if certain components on a cart's board die, the chip that contains the ROM itself will last a very long time; many human lifetimes. On a side-note, it always seems like (non-FPGA) hardware-clones get left out of the conversation. And I'm not talking about emulation machines, like the various Retrobits or Retrons. These are essentially reproductions of original consoles. Under a hundred bucks can get you an NES-clone and an SNES-clone, which run exactly the same as the originals did; zero lag; with the option of HDMI-out (as well as the original outputs). I just mention this option because, if a person wants to dip their toe into retro gaming, on real hardware, but doesn't feel comfortable dropping 500 bucks on something they aren't sure if they're even going to like, the basic hardware-clones are not a bad starting point. Just seems like they get forgotten about.
Listening to people try to explain FPGA to non-tech heads is fun. Don't worry too much about it, it's basically just emulating the hardware by physically changing instead of software emulation which is your computer reading software (the game) and executing totally different commands that approximate a result instead. Idk why I tried too lol. That said this is the best Analogue product they've released, and the best price.
Yeah, even with the price jump for the last orders. That they actually opened the orders back up due to demand was great. While I foolishly missed the first posting, due to being at work and it being sold out right away, I'll still happily wait until 2023 to get it even if I had to pay more.
I believe that quantum mechanics shows us that electrons do not, in fact, move through reality. They only have a physical location when measured. Therefore, the natural state of an electron is it's existence as a probability wave, and this wave is not a physically real object. Thusly, the electrons that we consider to be moving along the pathways within the Nintendo Entertainment System have no location within the experience that we call reality until a conscious observer takes a measurement of one or more of these particles.
I think the electrons moving through reality thing became a meme because the sentence is just funny but Ryan isn’t really wrong. That being said a program in an OS running on a graphics card/CPU is still a electrons through reality there are just more layers of abstraction. Engineers usually use the colloquialism “closer to the metal” for assembly language which…idk I’m just a script kiddy who went to art school essentially but I assume it applies to FPGA to a certain degree. I think the reality is the “true” experience is whatever makes it more real for you. That could be playing on a CRT, with a first party controller, on as big an LED screen as possible, or on the train going to work….for example when they figured out CPS3 emulation it was the first time I got to really dig into SF3 so that is the memory that is the “realest” for me… If I have a point it is that emulation is a real engineering feat, even if it was not accurate all the time…many people were working with like…here-say they read on a forum or a manual that fell out of a turnip truck at Nintendo. I think the denigration of emulation is kind of nullifying that work, and although technically not legal it was the first time many people (like me) were able to play many lesser known games, it was the first way I found or got to play stuff like Garou Mark of the Wolves. Not trying to be adversarial but I do think the notion that emulation = bad (and therefore FPGA = good) is not super accurate with many older consoles/pieces of software. The super exciting space is being able to do stuff like create new hardware. I forget what it was called but someone made something that allowed you to play CD quality sound on the SNES and it was through an FX-like chip that was made with an FPGA
FPGA is more Simulted than Emulated. Mimics the hardware and fixes the lag issues. Yes I use the Retron 3, but it actually works good for SNES and Genesis. If they come out with an FPGA N64 I'm on board.
I missed out on the first pre-order window for the Pocket but ordered one early yesterday morning. Great episode. I really enjoyed the bit of conversation about the future of all these retro games.
I'm not a gamer so I don't know if some of the emulated games still have the authenticity to contain the hidden/secret codes, easter eggs, or other things that the original games have.
Also looking forward to this one, I'm a bigger big Ryan fan btw
In the morrrrrrrnin
I'm interested in this one, but I'm only a little Ryan fan. Is that OK?
Ryan and all those unknown losers suck. Watching for Mike lol!
Biggest of big Ryan fans
Big, massive, full-size Ryan fan. I love electrons. Keep up the great work.
My fanaticism for Ryan exceeds 10 inches.
We live in an imperfect physical universe.
big ryan fan. big electrons fan. big analogue fan. good times all around.
Big Ryan Fans rise up(Big Ryan Fan btw)
Ginormous Ryan fan here!
But seriously, props to you for embracing the meme. Doing it the way it should be done. Happy new year!
Gotta say, with time I've become a big Ryan fan.
Looking forward to this one! Big Ryan Fan btw
This is becoming a favourite podcast (big ryan fan btw.)
ME too
Electrons moving through reality discussion definitely warrants some dry erase board action
Big Ryan fan of Big Ryan fans and their fans, I'm a big fan of - btw
I am a 37yo french speaking man.... Singing your theme song while showering :D
Me tooo
I am the biggest Ryan fan.
By volume.
Melon
Huge fan of this and the podcast version. The format is so great. I listen while working, working out, gaming, and even when sleeping sometimes.
ME too!!! 💯💯💯❤️❤️❤️
Universe looking pretty physically perfect right now
You are definitely more than a hobbyist when it comes to classic video games, Mike. You're a professional video game player, a living encyclopedia of information about how these games play and how they make a generation of people feel, and an afficionado as far as classic hardware goes.
I’m glad Mike has the time.
Saw the title and IM DEAD! You guys are awesome. What a fantastic spiritual successor to the Super NT video! Thanks Ryan & Mike!
brain dead? you'd have to be to want anal-logue products.
31:28 RYAN's DISSERTATION ON ELECTRONS HAS MADE MY WHOLE 2021 YEAR!!!! SO MUCH FUN, RIP BETTY WHITE, LOVE YOU GUYS, AND THIS NEW PODCAST. HAPPY NEW YEAR. ITS A FUN MEME, yes, BUT I (and most people) AM 100% TOTALLY SINCERE WHEN I SAY...
BIG RYAN FAN, BTW!!!!!!
thanks for the timestamp
As a natural fact of life, I have no time to watch past the 5:40 mark.
I can’t believe this is real, big Ryan fan here
I might be the biggest Big Ryan fan tbh
Nice to hear Mike's opinion on the Analogue Pocket, big Ryan fan as well.
I love how passionate, and honest Mike is about is about games
Hence the origin / existence of AVGN.
Bigger Ryan fan then the others, can't wait for this one!
You're not Herr Crustovsky.
Long Mike fan here. Great to see you guys embrace the memes.
Are you a big ryan fan btw?
pretty sure ryan used his electrons to hand craft the best retro consoles that mike could ever own with the added bonus of blast processing.
Just wanted to say that I love this show. Every episode is incredibly informative and ultimately I think it all comes from your guy's passions for gaming. Keep up the great work guys, looking forward to more episodes.
It doesn’t matter how you play the games you like as long as you enjoy playing it the way you do. Nobody can tell you how to enjoy those games you like but they can help in making the experience better if you’re open to it.
Ryan’s discussion on physical aspects of a computer is important. Stuff like noise from gates can cause issues, all of which leads to the “feel’ of hardware
Ryan is getting better. And you can really see his passion here. With some time, this can really take off. Keep up the good work guys.
Great episode.
Big Mike & Ryan fan btw.
Even bigger mike and Ryan fan btw
Did physics and electrical engineering in school. Studied silicon doping, gate design and used fpgas. Ryan was dead on with the electron comment from day 1.
Yeah, but most people think electricity is magic so...🤷♂️ i would have worded it different, but he definitely understands what he's saying.
I don't get it, but I'll be the lone Mike fan.
Lol
I knew what he meant by the electrons comment. Not sure why it became a meme but at least we got a cool video preview out of it.
Huge load fan btw
(love yall's show keep it up for real. i'm from philly and it feels like when i just used to hang out with my bros and well...talk about games)
The load was huge!
Anyway I saw you say in the chat you wish I'd cover more games you were into. Like what?
We may have a different taste in games, which is fine. Let me know, and thanks for watching.
@@mikematei my favorites tend to be 3d action adventure games like dark souls/bloodborne/demon's souls, sekiro, nier automata. also a fan of metroidvanias, you might like blasphemous? it has that retro sprite look and it's super fun and just difficult enough imo. there are also some fairly linear hack and slash games like bayonetta 2 or devil may cry 5 that look amazing and are super fun beat-em-ups.
also have you played returnal? super fun and fast paced 3rd person shooter for ps5, roguelike, and uses the new adaptive trigger and haptic feedback stuff on the ps5 controller the best i've played so far. made me really feel like i was playing a next gen game and that the console purchase was worth it. binding of isaac is another super fun roguelike but the aesthetic of it kinda bugs me.
thanks for the reply! have a happy new year
Big Ryan looking forward to this video in which Ryan is big and I'm his biggest fan BTW I'm a big ryans fan.
loved this episode. Ryan sounds like a very passionate professor 👍🏼
The theme song always gets me hyped.
It's based on the Full House theme song. Thanks for checking out the episode
I love it too, also love how happy Ryan and Mike are in the opening!
All Your Electrons are Belong to Us. Thanks for the podcast 😃
Also a big Ryan fan btw. and my names Ryan.
I had to get a huge pot of coffee to sit through 31:28 and I still don't think Ryan has any clue what he's talking about but he says it with so much conviction I can't turn it off.
Ryan's explanation made a lot more sense this time
Been forward fan looking big ryan bigger m8
I'm looking forward to this one more than anyone and I am the biggest big Ryan fan btw.
I like Ryan to, he knows his stuff and passionately expresses the games and hardware.
I too am looking forward to this one, and I'm a bigger bigger big Ryan fan btw
All Ryan fans are big, it seems.
If you're a retro gamer and you don't have a crt tv idk what you're doing with your life. Big Ryan fan btw
Subscribe to these guys on Patreon you cheap bastards. This show needs to keep growing.
We wish you a wonderful new year full of “Let’s talk about games” episodes and many successes 🍾🥳
Dido 💯💯💯❤️😂❤️😂❤️
more like, "lets talk about our paying advertisers"
Happy that I found this podcast, binge time!
All this Ryan hype, can't wait to watch!!
Go Ryan 💜💜💜 Love the new hair!!! So emo
This series was one of the best surprises of 2021.
Dang I haven't seen Ryan in years he looks so much better now! Go Ryan nice to see Mike too miss him with cinemassacre
only 300 lbs now, good work!
Also, I gotta say that I really like how your different personalities complement each other. You have great synergy.
COLOSSAL Ryan fan here!
Mike is 100% spot on that Ryan will regret selling his games should he choose to do so. Years back when I was in college and had no money at all, I sold my collection of almost 60-70 N64 games for about $350 dollars to Digital Press. I had some pretty valuable games like Conker, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario, Harvest Moon 64 as well all of the classics. Even when I was counting the money, I instantly knew that I would come to regret it.
GB Studio has existed for a while now, way before the Analogue came out; and people have already made hundreds of games with the software. There are tons of brand new original Game Boy and Game Boy Color games coming out every single year (on physical carts). I don't know why any serious developer would use the Analogue to develop a game as the program is so much better on PC.
This is gonna be a good one
Is there a way to circumvent the analogue to digital conversion and send the analogue signal directly to a crt?
Also, does converting the analogue signal to digital, and then sending it, via a dac, to a crt cause any issues?
Really curious about the Analogue Pocket, also big Ryan and electrons fan btw
I remember when ppl hated on Ryan but he knows what he is talking about I always thought he added a new and interesting perspective to retro gaming especially to those of us who don’t understand the technical aspects of gaming
I'm really liking this podcast. I'm all caught up now since I've only been listening for about a week. But keep up the good work guys
Glad to know you've watched all the episodes. We are shot through the end of January now. 😎
@6:29 Well emulation is actually pretty awesome. If one plays retro rpgs with bugs and balancing issues or censored graphics and dialogue then emulation is the only way to play patched rebalanced and uncensored versions of those games. Granted I can totally see what you guys mean about lag and sound issues. I'd just love to have a rebalanced uncensored bug fixed version of my favorite games with no lag or sound issues on a tv.
Yeah I'm also happy with emulation. I think if you're playing classic games regularly having a more authentic setup is great, but using something like Retroarch with CRT Royale and frame slipping to reduce lag will be a more reasonable solution for many.
@@TheSaturnMan Yep exactly my thoughts. I just play roms on my laptop and sometimes plug the hdmi cord from my tv to my laptop and play it on the tv.
Balance issues were part of the original though. Maybe it's just a bad game. Or maybe it's fine and didn't need it.
I miss Mike on AVGN man, like seriously listening to Mike talk about these old sh*tty bootleg consoles sounds just like the nerd himself. And he's funny, contrary to whatever they're doing now.
Mike has always been the real AVGN.
10:25 you're welcome ⚛️
big ryan fan here.
Is there a mst3k picture next to Mike's head during his close ups
Good episode.
Big Ryan fan btw.
BIG Ryan fan btw!
Let's move these electrons for 2022
I love Ryan’s analysis of Analogue products and FPGA “electrons moving thru reality.” It’s quite fascinating, an Analogue Super NT is on my wishlist.
I think that Analogue's DAC only works with Analogue consoles.
Damn, I loved Ryan’s explanation of reprogrammable circuitry. Actually learned something new. Great pod, guys! Now I want to buy this Pocket thingy.
Another nice thing about Everdrives, is that you can use IPS patches on your ROMs; to legally apply hacks or translations to them. So if you buy a physical copy of FF5 for SFC, and dump your ROM to a file-system; you can then patch it with an English translation and play your own ROM, _which came from your own physical copy of SFC-FF5,_ on a real console. Which is another good reason to _never_ liquidate your physical game collection, if you can help it. Those carts are essentially an extremely durable "ROM Archive"; far more durable than any form of storage you probably have on your computer. Because even if certain components on a cart's board die, the chip that contains the ROM itself will last a very long time; many human lifetimes.
On a side-note, it always seems like (non-FPGA) hardware-clones get left out of the conversation. And I'm not talking about emulation machines, like the various Retrobits or Retrons. These are essentially reproductions of original consoles. Under a hundred bucks can get you an NES-clone and an SNES-clone, which run exactly the same as the originals did; zero lag; with the option of HDMI-out (as well as the original outputs). I just mention this option because, if a person wants to dip their toe into retro gaming, on real hardware, but doesn't feel comfortable dropping 500 bucks on something they aren't sure if they're even going to like, the basic hardware-clones are not a bad starting point. Just seems like they get forgotten about.
Big Ryan is based, he's so passionate and serious about this stuff
I wonder if you can use a Gameboy Everdrive cart in the Analogue Pocket 🧐
You can use them with the NT Mini. There's a really good chance you can with this one too. We haven't tested yet.
GBA X5 everdrive works. I own the analogue pocket and have had no issues with using it.
@@TalkAboutGames sick! That makes it definitely worth picking up for people like me that dont have a big collection of games
@@josephca6038 nice! Ya im getting one for sure now thanks!
Listening to people try to explain FPGA to non-tech heads is fun. Don't worry too much about it, it's basically just emulating the hardware by physically changing instead of software emulation which is your computer reading software (the game) and executing totally different commands that approximate a result instead. Idk why I tried too lol. That said this is the best Analogue product they've released, and the best price.
Yeah, even with the price jump for the last orders. That they actually opened the orders back up due to demand was great. While I foolishly missed the first posting, due to being at work and it being sold out right away, I'll still happily wait until 2023 to get it even if I had to pay more.
The vintage gaming community needed this episode 👌🏻 Happy New Year y’all
Great show
this is admittedly the first time ive heard the intro theme. def heard a full house influence
I miss this podcast!
I believe that quantum mechanics shows us that electrons do not, in fact, move through reality. They only have a physical location when measured. Therefore, the natural state of an electron is it's existence as a probability wave, and this wave is not a physically real object.
Thusly, the electrons that we consider to be moving along the pathways within the Nintendo Entertainment System have no location within the experience that we call reality until a conscious observer takes a measurement of one or more of these particles.
I think the electrons moving through reality thing became a meme because the sentence is just funny but Ryan isn’t really wrong.
That being said a program in an OS running on a graphics card/CPU is still a electrons through reality there are just more layers of abstraction. Engineers usually use the colloquialism “closer to the metal” for assembly language which…idk I’m just a script kiddy who went to art school essentially but I assume it applies to FPGA to a certain degree. I think the reality is the “true” experience is whatever makes it more real for you. That could be playing on a CRT, with a first party controller, on as big an LED screen as possible, or on the train going to work….for example when they figured out CPS3 emulation it was the first time I got to really dig into SF3 so that is the memory that is the “realest” for me…
If I have a point it is that emulation is a real engineering feat, even if it was not accurate all the time…many people were working with like…here-say they read on a forum or a manual that fell out of a turnip truck at Nintendo. I think the denigration of emulation is kind of nullifying that work, and although technically not legal it was the first time many people (like me) were able to play many lesser known games, it was the first way I found or got to play stuff like Garou Mark of the Wolves.
Not trying to be adversarial but I do think the notion that emulation = bad (and therefore FPGA = good) is not super accurate with many older consoles/pieces of software. The super exciting space is being able to do stuff like create new hardware. I forget what it was called but someone made something that allowed you to play CD quality sound on the SNES and it was through an FX-like chip that was made with an FPGA
The intro is gold for Cinemassacre truthers
I'll be waiting until late 2022 for my pocket. Guess I should not have hesitated on the recent preorder.
my reality is ready to get moved through by some electrons
Is it, "Fan of big Ryan" or "Big Ryan fan"?
Very important.
Big Fan of Big Ryan
My favorite part of the podcast……”4 player GameBoy is where it’s at” 💪🏾💯🤣😂
Anyone else living this Ryan Danzig phase? I'm a nerd been lifing since quarantine too. Jelly of the hair.
This was a great discussion, really enjoying the podcast guys.
FPGA is more Simulted than Emulated. Mimics the hardware and fixes the lag issues. Yes I use the Retron 3, but it actually works good for SNES and Genesis. If they come out with an FPGA N64 I'm on board.
Get somebody on the show to talk about Daggerfall Unity!
I missed out on the first pre-order window for the Pocket but ordered one early yesterday morning. Great episode. I really enjoyed the bit of conversation about the future of all these retro games.
I checked their website, and currently they are taking preorders for 2023 delivery. Ouch 😣
Big Romanian American fan btw
Love this show. We gotta spread the fucking word!
MiSTer FPGA Episode when?
I'm not a gamer so I don't know if some of the emulated games still have the authenticity to contain the hidden/secret codes, easter eggs, or other things that the original games have.
Damn, that’s a really good nerd talk, my fav podcast of 2021
Happy new years cinemassacre!
Thanks for the laughs and memories!