Why Are Black People Leaving Church
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Ex-Pastor turned Atheist, Darante' LaMar shares some insight on why Black people are leaving the Church.
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Don't forget that lots of people are "cultural Christians". They see the church as a tradition, not literally. They are afraid to declare themselves non religious because of the social consequences.
Absolutely!
I agree...kinda. I mean, they identify as Christian, but they are not...under their skin they are atheists (who just attend Church).
"If you're black and christian you have a real short memory"-Chris Rock.
Yep!
Saying or implying whiteness created Christianity is like saying Columbus discovered America. It's inaccurate, causally effete to historicity of Christianity.
If you live your life by a comedians joke, doesn’t that make you a joke?
Believers in Christ, No matter the race, will live forever!
That’s the offer.
I’m loving every minute of being with Christ.
And I’m extremely black.
@@unc1589 Poor fela
@@unc1589 amen
Shout out to my fellow black atheists... Its nice to see some of yall on here, and nice to know i aint alone! Darante' keep doing what you are doing. I appreciate you.
Thank you, fam!
Is it bad that I consider myself agnostic?
@@SupportTheArts-yo8ox I don't think so
@@SupportTheArts-yo8ox naw bro you part of the click too.. lol 😂 so shout out to you...
I feel like the black church, while serving as a safe social hub for black folk for a long time, has also served as a means of keeping black ppl docile and forgiving towards oppressors
It certainly has!
Because it based on yt on control and submission. We love having this idea of some yt man saving us. Illogical to me
@@amaradominique Absolutely!
These 2 things are literally what the black church is. They were literally only built for us to come together bc it was illegal to congregate. We got caught up in the religion. Forgot about each other. Now it's just an indoctrination tool.
Yeah, I'm white and my parents never forced religion on me, so I'm very much viewing this from the outside, but it seems that between people that looked like me forcing Christianity on African Americans when they were brought here and the multiple passages in that "holy" book condoning slavery, there's a very strong historic throughline of indoctrination to make a population more servile.
I'm not the right messenger to be telling black people they need to break free of their religion, but I don't think true liberation can happen without also breaking free of the shackles put on people's minds and hearts (and that goes for us all, if obviously to highly varying degrees).
I just hope that more people will be able to see that no loving god would have had THAT book written, with all the horrible things in it.
Once someone can do that, it's a much smaller step to realize that no loving god would have created a world with so many horrible things in it either (which I think helps someone get to see the world as it is).
If more people can do both of those, then we're all going to end up more free and less divided and I think that'd be really nice.
This was very well explained. I’m a black man who was raised in the church. I took the faith very seriously in 2018, became a minister and founded a Christian organization in 2019, then left the faith in December of 2023.
I’m a truth seeker and was constantly growing and learning. I went from the more charismatic arena to a more conservative view. Eventually I landed in the free grace camp, then deconverted about a year afterwards.
For me, I started struggling with how so many people could be going to hell as soon as I felt I had the right understanding of the gospel in free grace. This led me to question Gods Omni characteristics. Then I started watching ex-Christian content, and it was a wrap. Mindshift and harmonic atheist were pretty key figures in this, followed by dillahunty. I feel like the ones most serious about the faith and know the most scripture are at fairly high risk of deconstruction/deconversion. I ran into irreconcilable contradictions, and it was over😭 About 6 months in deconverted and finally recovering from that fatal blow 😂
Thank you! And thank you for sharing a bit of your journey. It helps to encourage others to navigate their own!
Wow, that’s pretty rapid as deconversions so. Welcome to the other side!
As a former minister who's studied scripture, you no doubt are aware of the bible's position as it applies to the role sin plays in our lives. Making it apparent that because of sin nobody's born a Christian, (sin separates us all from God), and because it does, for all intent and purposes, we are all Atheists (stick a pin here, I'll get back to it)*.
The Bible reveals that the only way this state can change is only after the acceptance of a revelation from God. Once that person accepts Jesus's offer of salvation, it's a lock. Period. And it's not based on whether or not you regularly attend a building or are jumped "into" a mob like way of thinking. But once that person believes with their heart and confesses with their mouth that Christ is Lord, they are born into a new family.
These people don't leave the church. The bible says it like this: "...on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
In Romans, Paul says we are set right with God like this: "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe"
(Still, there are those who do leave the church). Much like when it comes time for visitors to leave a function hosted by a family in their home, so too does a time come for non family members (non believers) to leave the 'house of God'.
It's would seem to me that based on person saying they are a former Christian, it is better explained that they were never a Christian. Just a church visitor.
*In actually, it's Atheism who's really leaking numbers.
@@calmnrelaxed I appreciate your comment, but it’s all mythology and superstition. Your God is incoherent within himself. Rather than accuse me of being a fraud without offering a solution of the “right way” to be saved that I haven’t already done, perhaps you can explain your God to me.
He’s Omni is he not? All-knowing, all-powerful, all-good, all-loving, everywhere at once. It’s also revealed that he has desires for everyone to be saved and that no one should perish according to Timothy and Peter. Just answer this simple question: how does he not create a reality in which this would be possible while also maintaining all of his characteristics and desires? Especially knowing that he’s capable of doing it, as the concept of heaven is evidence of that (a place where regardless of whether or not people have free will, they will be sinlessly perfect forever).
The greatest testament against his existence is himself. And that’s just the starting point on why the biblical narrative is bogus. If you research the actual historicity and comparative mythology, it becomes obvious that it’s manmade stories and propaganda. I was fairly disappointed in how weak the evidence was… but that’s life I guess.
@@JDrocks4ever I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm talking about worldviews and how are our beliefs, our faith plays a part in the worldview we choose. But given your response maybe the point i am making is too esoteric. Still I'm curious though, you say you were a minister but you you say Christianity is mythology and superstition. That's like saying you are a bridge between an island and shoreline but no one or nothing's able to access the bridge. You seem to validate this yourself when you say my God is incoherent [to you]. How can a minister ever hold this position? It's makes no sense to me. Do you identify as an atheist now? If so, (and because you have an issue with incoherence), i was wondering if you could answer something: how do you believe the universe was created from nothing? And how did life begin from just matter and energy (without God's assistance)? How do you explain objective morality? Or the fine tuning of universe? How do you explain the lack of any fossil record of cross species? I'm looking forward to your coherent reply.
As a person that has decided to leave all religions, I was raised a Pentecostal then became a Jehovah's Witness as an adult, all religions end up corrupted because of imperfect men. I am so thankful for the internet and learning it is okay to change your beliefs whenever you do your own research. Don't allow anyone to stop you from changing, it is your life and live it the way you see fit.
Thank you!
"Not everybody who's becoming an atheist is becoming a critical thinker" Such a true point
I have to remind myself of this one regularly
@@DaranteLaMar Loved the video and subbed btw. It was super interesting hearing what you had to say and I'm looking forward to the future content.
Yeah, some people are into mysticism and whatnot, so they definitely didn't leave because they were critical thinkers.
We saw this happen with a lot of white atheists who eventually became the core of the "alt-right" movement.
I stopped believing when i noticed that my prayers were falling back in my face. Also, My prayers and fasting about sick family members rendered no good results. My sister and dad died from cancer. No prayers were answered. That was my cracking point.
Wow! Thank you for sharing, I know that had to be difficult!
Blessings. I left Christianity as well. I do not worship anything outside of myself. I believe I have the power to do miracles like healing. I just have to learn how to use my energy. I have had many miraculous things happen, including healing others.
The first thing I learned is that when I really care about the person and am constantly worried about the person or I am in constant stress or fear I manifest what I am trying to prevent. It's a terrible lesson I had to learn. But I did it because it had gotten to the point where several family members lives were at risk.
But when I fill myself with praises, joy release the worry and fear (which is really hard because I love them alot) and envision what I want for them I can change their situation. It's hard because I have to trick myself to not care, to let them go.
I've healed family members from cancer and other diseases, got family members high paying careers and living well, and have answered my own prayers.
My biggest weakness is wanting it too much or being desperate. If I don't worry about it it happens faster. But if I feel lack, stress, fear it's really hard.
I also have had to deal with others evil intentions and learn how to sidetrack them to manifest healings and blessings.
My goal now is to control my energy and manifest as easy as I inhale and exhale.
I also use vibrations like music and dancing or exercise to manifest what I envision. Some people find writing it down works better. Writing does not work for me at all. But if I turn on a song on repeat for an hour and dance. It's easier for me to let go of the stress and focus on the outcome I want and then rejoice and sing praises until I'm joyfully almost in a trance.
That's what's working for me. Maybe it can help you.
Keep searching.
Also, some African rituals use plants or trees to manifest what they want. Research that too.
When I left religion, I felt that none of these religions belonged to me. I was not interested in finding another church. Anyway, thanks for sharing.
Beautiful!
Thanks again for doing the Lord's work, I'm a black atheist who grew up mostly in Africa. i left the church when my pastors couldn't explain to me how Africa animals got on the ark. But my family is still very deep in it. Everyone is scared of going to hell. The concept of hell is holding thrm hostage to a lie.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this, fam!
Well said. That's the purpose of the doctrine of hell after all, isn't it?
Hey Family, I'm glad you're free from the Christianity matrix.
I'm researching ancient African, before colonization or contact with Abrahamic religions, rituals specifically with trees, groves, etc. I have found historical evidence that Africans all over the continent honored trees and used this interaction with trees to manifest protection and whatever they wanted.
Do you have information on any African traditions that honor or interact with trees? Or even histories?
@@Joyful_Smiles I'd be interested in hearing that, if so. I have studied a lot of spiritual practices of the world, and many of the shamanic ones have trees and other plants as important parts of them. Trees are very like us in their energetic makeup.
I love this and I'm glad to have found your channel.
I am not a Christian. I do not believe in Jesus Christ. I am not religious.
However, I still pray. I just don't pray to any entity, corporation, flag, country etc. outside of myself. I seek to regulate myself and be the God of my vessel. I have developed great skills and improved my life since leaving Christianity.
One way that Black parents can increase their child(ren)'s comprehension skills is to read to them and after reading to them ask them critical thinking questions about the text. Have them verbally answer, draw the answers, and later write the answers.
Another way is nutrition, especially while pregnant, is very important. Black maternity health care needs to be a top priority in the Black community along with increasing reading test scores. Brain development is happening in the womb and the baby needs key vitamins, along with the mother. Her stress must be minimized and her care significantly increased while pregnant and afterwards.
You have until the child is 4 years old to input basic knowledge, problem solving skills, manners, etc. into the child and then afterwards they are on repeat and will have to actively work to break any harming habits as adults. This is because of brain development and age 4 is when the brain "sets".
This is interesting. I'm a white dude, but my wife is black, she actually went through a deconstruction before I did, but after taking a little break from the church, ended up going back. From what I can gather, she no longer "believes", at least not in any sense most would consider would qualify her as a christian, but she still very much enjoys the community and ritual that church provides which can be difficult to find else where, especially in the black women community which is so heavily tied to the church, at least in her family and friendships.
So, and this is just my impression, but it seems she left because she deconstructed and came to realize much of what is taught in church and the bible is not only very likely false, but in many cases, actively harmful, but came back because its especially hard for an adult black women to make or keep friends outside of the church. Though to be clear, she's back in the sense that she attends weekly services and weekly bible studies or other activities, not in that she's come back to believing the core beliefs of the religion are true.
Thank you for sharing! It is much different for the women in our community as my wife can attest.
Dan the Meek, i completely related to these things
I am sharing your channel with some wonderful theists who are all about the discussions that lead to a better existence. Just a heads up you may have incoming watchers. 🤘😉
@@kariannecrysler640 Thank you!
You said something profound that I applaud you for and it is " Education done right is not what to think but how to think" So many of us don't know how to think. That is a real and crucially necessary skill that must be developed
Absolutely!
Cap
@@calmnrelaxed Poor fella 😆
Here in The Bahamas, I've been coming across more and more young people of color who claim no religious affiliation or say that they are flat-out atheist. That was unheard of in these parts just couple decades ago. The communities here have always been ultra-religious and largely dominated by Christianity.
I'm glad to hear that things are progressing! Hopefully, we can work together to accelerate it!
Encouraging to hear.
Great video! I definitely agree! Prior experience with needing to unlearn disinformation you were taught by trusted sources helps prime one to see things differently and be open to questioning, no matter the topic. Three years before deconverting from Christianity I joined a nutrition program that thoroughly debunked most of what we were taught about food in the US. I went through stages of outrage and anger, feeling duped, but I was willing to accept a new view based on evidence and learned how information can be presented for the benefit of the seller at the detriment of the buyer. I did so well embracing this new view that I lost 40 pounds in 6 months and became an educator for it. There were other factors that led to my deconstruction but I credit that experience for really shaking up my worldview and question how I came to know the things that I know and believe what I believe
I love it! Thank you for sharing this! I was thinking about checking in on you today.
I left the church as well, and converted to Judaism. You are definitely speaking truth, and helping our people explore and change.
Thanks, bro! I appreciate you.
So just swapped one irrationality for another because the Old Testament and Islam borrowed heavily from the Hebrew bible.
The 3 Abrahamic religions are terrible but you do you.
@@Vhlathanosh Do you know how stupid you sound? The Hebrew Bible is the so-called Old Testament, which the Christians call it.
My life didn’t truly start to blossom until I began to look to myself for answers instead of some invisible man in the sky. Black men like myself left the church because we know game when we hear it. To be honest, church “never” sat right with me. I always felt uncomfortable with the hollering and screaming for no apparent reason, all the falling out and rolling around on the dirty floor, and all the pomp and circumstance.
Thank you for sharing, bro!
You should get Anthony Pinn on your show. He teaches at Rice University. Black belief and humanism is his expertise. He's written about a dozen books or so on this topic.
I love Dr. Pinn's work! I'm hoping to get him on soon.
One thing that this life has taught me is that I'm a HUMAN FIRST. We, as in the human race, are all we have.
For sure!
I been left the church once I found out the church played a Major part in slavery. I mean, I was still agnostic, reasons why I joined the black Hebrew Israeli, drop out of that and years after became a full blown Atheist thanks to Stephen Hawking.
Bro!!!! Thank you for sharing this!
No thank you for bringing it out of me. I remember when I thought I was the only black atheist in the world 🤣🤣🤣 so happy I'm not
@@goldandonyxfilms Right! 😆 🤣 😂
You might get a new sub brother. As a fellow atheist its so hard to find people in our community who share this opinion.
Imo its not just a problem with the church but the problem of black people going from one religion to another or going the spirituality route.
We seem to never want to take the full step of atheism even if many black people who step away from the church can see the flaws in Christianity.
The problem is they will never apply the same skepticism to other belief systems and we seem to always want to believe in something supernatural
I appreciate you, fam! It's definitely a problem that I've witnessed firsthand, and you're right, it's much deeper than just church or religion. Our superstition runs deep almost as a coping mechanism or excuse as to why we're still "not saved."
30 years ago I was in a band called Kick the Holy Cow. You brought back memories.
Hilarious! 😂
Quite honestly I stopped believing at a very young age. At 14 I stopped going to church, and before 20, I was out of the whole thing.
I was an atheist before I knew what the word was. I was a science nerd and the more I learned the more the gap widened.
The irrationality of Noah's ark and other bible stories just helped solidify the case for me.
Noah's ark was a big one for me
The internet has made info more availble. Sadly, there is a close link between religiosity and ignorance. There is the irony that the average atheist is more informed about the Bible than the average Christian. Actually reading and studying the Bible for oneself is the leading pathway to deconversion.
Absolutely!
I'm so glad I found you! I've been following other atheist channels, but to find a RUclipsr who speaks to me culturally has been so needed in my life!
Wow! Thank you!
Nothing on earth can deconstruct my faith! I don't go to church anymore but my faith will never die
Ok
"Reclaiming that space for community initiatives...redefine what church is" Really love this idea! I don't know why I've never considered it before but you're absolutely right.
It is a passion of mine!
I love that idea, too!
8:45 as you say, @DaranteLamar, the mere fact that there are more Black atheists & agnostics like you, will make it easier for others to start questioning. It will take time, but it’s happening.
For sure!
I remember a place i use to work many years ago. An upper middle class white lady was a regular customer who i got to know from conversations over time, one day i asked her what she got planned for Sunday, are you going to church? Im so use to that being a regular activity in black people's lives, i assumed it was for them too. She answered no, but her facial expression and tone of voice said, hell no. She said the only time she went there was when she got married. That confirms what i already knew, that is church is there to keep poor people preoccupied and not focused on inequality.
Absolutely!
As a Christian turned nuwapian turned Christian turned agnostic I can testify that it's easy to jump from one superstition to another. All it takes is poking a hole or two in a belief system and then saying that this or that is where the old system got it wrong and replace it with new beliefs that still rely on a certain fundamental belief system.. and that happens a lot with people in general but especially us black folk
Thank you for sharing this, fam! I appreciate you.
I so totally agree with you. Are people leaving to become atheist? I don't think so. I think that they are leaving to escape claustrophobic theological ideas that keep people living in the past. Church can even keep people from working in some fields that some pastor has decided will hinder you from following your faith without even understanding your job! It seems to be that people are still looking for a true spirituality that enhances their lives. Not a jail to imprison their minds.
Yes!
I was never a believer, though I grew up around all this stuff. I've never believed in any other systems either. None of it ever made an ounce of sense to me.
This was a great video, sir. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
You're welcome, @@DaranteLaMar.
Way too many people go to church for the association with others. God is usually an after thought. Real knowledge of the gods in the Bible is rare.
I’ll do notice in a lot of black churches it’s really about the music and the cultural-Ness of it but it’s not really for actual theology and Bible study.
@@Sirach144 it’s not just black churches. It’s in all I have been a part of.
@@bobbybailey4623
Some. But mainly black churches because church is a cultural thing
Church IS the PEOPLE. We need to look at what people are saying is their reasons for leaving Church. Lots of foolishness has been going on for decades and not being addressed. It’s time for the Church to listen
People are leaving white churches as well. They are rethinking their lives after Covid and maga.
Awesome video! Thanks so much for bringing awareness to black atheism, it’s much needed! ❤️
Thank you!
For most of my 27 years as a staunch believer/minister, I was able to count the hits and ignore the misses in relation to prayers being prayed in “Jesus name” and those prayers going unanswered in direct contradiction to the words spoken in John 14:14 and the excuses offered in a vain attempt to “explain” how God sometimes says “yes” sometimes “no”, or sometimes “not right now”.
That and other reasons, is how I was able to break the shackles of Christianity, and a god belief.
Thank you for sharing this!
@@DaranteLaMar and thank you for the platform.
Thank you, Seems well thought out and researched. Very interesting to learn from a different perspective.
Thank you!
I don't think people realize that when slaves were brought here, they weren't allowed to practice their beliefs. Spirituality and religion aren't the same. You have to research history. it's not easy, but you'll learn a lot.
Yeah, I've been done that road. The Spirituality of our ancestors proved to be just as useless as the religion we accepted in its place for the exact same reasons. It ends up being an excuse for not actually critically engaging life by pretending to know something that is completely unhelpful.
Have you ever heard of the odyssey of the mind organization? It’s an extracurricular program for youths where they are given problems to solve using difficult thinking skills. I did my first year of it in 5th grade. They are typically associated with schools, but I believe that independent groups are also welcome. It could be something to build in localized secular communities stemming off from here. It mostly takes an adult per team to supervise & advise, without providing solutions, but guiding the kids through their thought processes to resolve their own solutions. They compete regionals, states & nationals every year and are hosted by colleges & large schools mostly. It’s 💯 celebrating your inner nerd, team work, community and sportsmanship. No clue why your chat today brought that thought out, but I’m glad it did. OM is well worth the time for everyone involved & it could be an excellent way to engage local communities with positive life experiences.
I had not heard of them, but that sounds incredible! If we can spark off the development of autonomous secular communities, that would be an excellent way for them to support the communities they exist in and connect with others.
@@DaranteLaMar exactly what I thought
20:03 LOL that was a great little poke at the “kids these days!” complaints. 😁
😆 🤣 😂
i feel like black people see church more as community rather than a place to believe in angels and speaking in tongues (although there are certainly black people who believe in that stuff). i have seen commentators talk about how the black community is conservative, and in many ways they are conservative. but their perceived political alignment is through material conditions, not indoctrination. which is why black people support big government and democratic policies, even if they might align with republicans on some social issues, and why many white conservatives hate the government even though they depend on it
I can see that!
I've been through the fall out of Christianity as I grew up forced to go to church with the majority of my female family member besides my brother and cousin. Even then I never wanted to label myself as Atheist. I simply found myself to be lost in the world. It lead me on the path to researching the true origins of my people. I went from studying bIk history and present goings, Yoruba, to Kemet. Eventually, I found a place I'm content with in regards to spirituality. The whole Israelite perspective was the end of my spiritual journey, and my new home. So I say, before attaching yourself to labels such as Atheism, make sure you're content with those teaching. As a lost people, we have all have some searching to do. Where you decide is your final resting place is ultimately up to you.
I've been down those pipelines, and I didn't like what was on the other side. I am vehemently antisuperstition and pseudoscience, and I found those ideologies to be littered with it.
@@DaranteLaMar I somewhat understand where you're coming from about such teachings. The concept of if you do this, this'll happen, and instructions, rules and instances that lack credibility. In these cases, you could chop it up to ignorance on your karma, and humans simply not knowing everything. The many man made theories on creation itself is considered pseudosciene. There are limits to what humans can possibly create and test. Especially with the way things are looking now. The world has failed me and I've pretty much lost faith in humanity in terms of world peace and excellence to new heights. This is what mainly lead me to the path I'm on today.
@@SeveredEverlastingWorldLore Interesting
i escaped a Christian doomsday cult and it cost me every family and social connection i had outside of school. damn right i’m subscribing
Wow! Welcome aboard!
It seems to me that, unless you ignore huge swaths of scripture, including the origin story, all Christianity is a doomsday cult.
I’m not a violent man but you lay hands on my wife and I will become one. I can’t believe dude just sat there and let his wife be hurt like that.
Right!
Interesting and thoughtful , thanks.
Thank you!
Alot of mess is going on in the church
For sure!
The black church has value as a venue space for civil rights activism, If you can ignore all the teachings of learned helplessness and superstition. Use the building, Ignore everything the pastors and bishops say otherwise.
Absolutely!
I left my church BECAUSE of the civil rights activism. I can't follow people who take perks from politicians to tell their members who to vote for. I also don't want to worship with people who are so mad at white people they can't see the blessings that the Lord has given them, and that you can't be in Christ and proclaim victimhood status at the same time. I joined a good, Bible-based online church. We're all colors and nationalities.
Christ is a fiction. People are real. I will always preference the needs of real people and communities over delusion. Sorry, not sorry. I find your stance offensive. It was definitely people like you that made me as a Black man want nothing to do with church, christ or god. If this is what it does to the mind of people, I want not parts of it.
@@MizJilly um, victimhood status because racism isn't happening or what? What part is victimhood, I'd like to know.
Why don't you go tell Jews to stop being victims then tell me how that goes, yeah?
When did you find out about Hubert Henry Harrison? I never heard of him until his book, *When Africa Awakes* turned up on the Internet. I just learned the title "Black Socrates" from You.
It was back in 2015. I was blown away by his contribution to the New Negro Movement.
Sensible words by a decent man. I think we should use the term "non theist". .
I like that term.
The same reason everyone that leaves religion: because the scriptures have natural error, contradictions, and are not preserved. The idea that the morality of the Bible should be used to live as an individual or build a society is ludicrous. Go ask Ancient Rome what Christianity did for them.
Precisely!
I’m curious if you think there can be any good sort of replacement for the social community building etc that church provided for ppl?
I really do and it's a major part of why I'm out here on RUclips. I'm encouraging people to experiment with building secular communities where they are so that we can meet those needs for people. The Church shouldn't get to corner the market on community.
@@DaranteLaMar totally agree, glad that’s a part of your mission
@@NeedSomeNuance Thank you! We've launched lived conversations on Sundays where we've been exploring that idea in more detail. We just wrapped up a series of conversations where we talked through the frameworks for building secular communities. Now we're in a series of conversations exploring what it means to be human. It's been really therapeutic for all of us so far and we've been building on discord as well. I'd encourage you to drop in some time. ruclips.net/video/BzHMu0yC0lE/видео.html
@@DaranteLaMar sounds good!
Book clubs is an easy start. Later add lectures, crafts, letter writing campaigns for advocacy, moderated debates ( our people love debates, LoL) etc.
The true church is not a denomination is not a building. It’s a body of believers who have accepted Christ Jesus, who is their Lord, who governs them through the Holy Spirit and Christ is the head of the body. If you are a true Christian, you haven’t left Christianity If you were Christian basin on denominations yeah you have left the denomination in a building. God is not coming back for denomination nor people who practiced religion. is coming back for His body those who have been resurrected from the dead Christ that lives in me the The hope of glory he illustrates that, in Luke 6:46 says,” Why do you call me,’ Lord,Lord,’ and do not do what I say ?” The body never leaves ahead it can’t function without it.
The true church is a figment of the imaginations of those too ignorant to justify their beliefs and too immature to know better.
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Thanks, babe!
Man I ain't been involved with no church in years but unfortunately like all people that navigate in life for different purposes I basically kind of called myself testing the grain and recently a situation on a decision I made that i wisely backed right away out of re-confirmed to me why black people in America has and are still leaving the church in big unprecedented numbers . I went to this church here in nebraska and I only been there twice and so I get the baptism treatment as you know how it goes for you thats been to a church or was members of one. So now right of the top their expecting me to pay tilts and thats when a red flag pops up. Because of what understand about religion itself already it confirmed more that most of the chairs in the church were empty and they even admitted that numbers of people had stop coming there because of fornication but since none of us can't be the first to cast a stone at anyone so they teach themselves in Christianity then what other reasons did former church members leave? By they way the pastor was on vacation and someone uttered that he deserved it yet some folks can barely pay rent and other basic bills and can't afford to take no vacation so why is the pastors life style not reflecting the rest of the church. I feel that many more of those pimp preachers need to get what that Brooklyn bishop who got robbed got and that's time in the penitentiary.
@@ericbell3986 Absolutely!
Good.
Yes!
What is your take on Pantheism? I just became aware of this concept and I would like to know if you know about it.
I'm familiar with it, and I consider it to be just as superstitious as theism. I prefer approaching life without assumptions.
@@DaranteLaMar I just became aware of this concept and I can see how it can be a better alternative to the other religions without baggage and downside but I can also see how those leaving other religions would attach themselves to this concept and bring over some of the aspects of their former religions to pantheism. I think the most difficult and challenging feat is to get people to see that first off we are self-sufficient and have no need of some made-up deity and then that there is no deity!
It’s interesting. I just returned to church. I think in North America we need to be more like African Christians in certain aspects.
Interesting
Persecution of "witches"? Calling for the death penalty for homosexuality?
What aspects are those? I know very little about Christianity in Africa, except those that are persecuting atheists, agnostics, or anyone in the LGBTQIA+ community and therefore completely unworthy of emulating.
it's too expensive , time and money .
Agreed!
Does the Bible condone genocide slavery, & misogyny? Probably not 🤷♀️
Don't believe the sinners
God Did NOT approve of
*genocide ( Deut 20:16-18,)
God did NOT approve of*human sacrifice JEPHTHAH’S DAUGHTER (Judges 11:30-39,)
God did NOT approve of*sxual assault (Numbers 31: 18),
God did NOT approve of *SlaVerY (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
*and symbolic cannibalism, um Holy Communion>>
Well African-Americans were forced into it when they were slaves
Humans social,tribal creatures
Yep
I decided that I was an agnostic in 7th grade. Church is boring at best.
However:
If God created the universe then didn't he have to know Einsteinian physics long before Einstein figured it out?
If you search the Bible for 'transla' you will find variations of the word 'translate' and three of them are associated with an Enoch character.
The European Bible says strange things about Enoch. Enoch did not die. Enoch was no longer here for God took him. Enoch was "translated" by God.
How do you Translate a human being?
What word was used in the original language?
Suppose God "translated" Enoch through space and time via Einsteinian physics and set him down on Earth 2000 years later and he told everyone that his name was Melchizedek?
What does the Bible say about Mel? No Mother?
Enoch would have been an adult popping in through a space-time transition. No need for a mother. He would not have a geneology. Not from any people who had lived through normal space-time for previous centuries.
Of course the Ethiopian Bible has a Book of Enoch not the KJV. But the Ethiopians kicked the Jesuits out of the country in 1633.
Maybe God is not really mysterious, just sneaky!
What if rainbows are the farts of 4th dimensional pixies viewed in a 3 dimensional frame?
Working off the premises that a god exists, that this god has any interest in humanity, and that this god chose to use an inaccurate and corrupt able book to communicate with humanity is problematic.
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I decided that I was an agnostic when I was 12 years old. Back then atheists did not confuse themselves with agnostics.
Agnosticism is the admission of ignorance.
Atheism is the BELIEF that there Is No God. Even if there is No God, the Atheists cannot prove it. I am mostly just amused by their vast intellects.
It is not my fault that the Bible says Enoch was "translated".
If you consider farts and pixies to be a demonstration of intellectual adequacy by ridicule that is your business. You can imagine it bothers me as much as you want.
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Farts and pixies certainly demonstrate great intellectual depth.
@@psikeyhackr6914 exactly, it's on par with the intellectual depth of Enoch being carried through time.
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So you come up with an interpretation of "translated" or ignore it if you please.
Trying to insult me is of no interest. You emotional issues with religion are Your problem.
Factually speaking, nobody's born a Christian, sin separates us all from God, and while it does, for all intent and purposes, we are all Atheists (stick a pin here, I'll get back to it)*.
The Bible reveals that all who become Christian do so only after the acceptance of a revelation from God. Once that person accepts Jesus's offer of salvation, it's a lock. Period. And it's not based on whether or not you regularly attend a building or are jumped "into" a mob like way of thinking. But once that person believes with their heart and confesses with their mouth that Christ is Lord, they are born into a new family.
These people don't leave the church. The bible says it like this: "...on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
In Romans, Paul says we are set right with God like this: "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe"
(Still, there are those who do leave the church). Much like when it comes time for visitors to leave a function hosted by a family in their home, so too does a time come for non family members (non believers) to leave the 'house of God'.
*In actually, it's Atheism who's really leaking numbers.
Poor fella. Started the commeng with the words "factually" and proceeded with verified fiction.
@@DaranteLaMar poor fella?!
@@calmnrelaxed damn, he came back 😆 🤣 😂
@DaranteLaMar sounds to me like you're being intellectually dishonest (or you have problems comprehending). My complete thought was at one point every one is an atheist...but God!
Maybe you have problems reading historicity that doesn't agree with you. I get it (most atheist do). But I don't think I said anything about you personally in my comment..but because you couldn't respond to my comment, which over matched your position, you switch to the ad hominem fallacy...and attacked me. I get it.
@calmnrelaxed Poor fella, believes in the imaginary, and thinks he's making a point in an adult conversation
Praise God is happening in the white community too I'm glad cuz we need to we were hurting each other. Good job brothers and sisters I still have faith in Jesus that he was a rebel he was like us trying to talk to the Roman empire basically. And that's why he got killed. ❤
Black church is over stated. And still not great
Agreed!
I’ve been an atheist since high school It’s nice to see another black man on RUclips not afraid The things I’ve learned about religion through scholars debates historical facts from fiction And just the lack of evidence is what pushed me away from believing in any gods
Thank you!
Where do you get your morality from?
Poor fella
Great answer! Def poor in spirit. Yet, u cant tell me where u get your morals with which u attack God! Probe your new belief system the same way you probed your last! This poor fella will still pray for you and Brady!
@@bengelfranco Poor fella
I can tell you where one gets his morality from. We get our morality from nature and the desires that we have for our specific communities.
@@whatshatnin4572 nature? lol...we d be eating each other bro...our desires...the Nazis had desires...were there right?
Who cares , they are just fulfilling prophecy
So join a real African church far older than any European one, Coptic or Ethiopian
I'll definitely pass
The fool said in his heart there is no God. Who can a person look all around an come to the conclusion there is no God. Ĺook at the sky the stars the river's the human body an how it work an say there no God.
Poor fella
@horacebernard1100. That's called God of the gap, you can't explain it, therefore God did it! No one knows how the universe came into existence!🤔Therefore It's safe to say we don't know.
It’s not about religion or superstitions , it’s all about the Sovereign God of all of creation. He is who we must serve. You must be born again or you will spend eternity outside of God’s domain. Hell was made for the Devil and his angels. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. Turn to the one true and living God and turn away from all idols (gods). every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. God doesn’t want anyone to perish, but if you refuse the offer of Salvation, you have doomed your own self God dooms no one
So you wanna be a slave again?
I don't share your delusions anymore...sorry
Anyways.......😂
It's about time everyone leave the church.
Yep