What a fantastic performance of this piece by Lupu. He brings out the bleak despair that's ever-present in this piece, and his ferocious approach to the finale nicely balances out his relatively relaxed tempo for the first movement.
Février 1823 (Schubert vient d'avoir 26 ans); quelle inventivité ! Une atmosphère qui évoque celle du si dramatique "Der Zwerg"composé peu avant ; Brigitte Massin estime "inséparables" les deux œuvres. Magnifique interprétation !
14:55 I love this sub theme. The final movement is a confronting of the earthly theme and this heavenly longing theme. This sonata reminds me a lot of Beethoven’s Op 111.
Both me and my teacher agree that Schubert can sometimes drag some ideas on a little too long, so I think skipping repeats is an admissible offense for some of his music. I actually think that skipping repeats could be done more often. In some cases, where each repeat has a different ending, not so much but then you can just take the second ending. But sometimes the material itself gets too repetitive or boring so it makes sense to just move on.
no, too long otherwise. I'd play the repeat if it has a different ending (like D960) but not if it lengthens the first movement overmuch (this one, D894)
Oritdrimer,il se trouve que l'Histoire est ainsi; je pense que cette bien fâcheuse habitude de CLASSER de tels créateurs est étrangère à l'Art: Beethoven lui apporte "du Beethoven", Schubert lui apporte "du Schubert", et c'est cette altérité qui l'enrichit; pas une sorte de compétition fantasmée./Amicalement.
Beethoven ne "fait de l'ombre" à personne: interprètes, chefs d'orchestre,organisateurs de concerts...etc..choisissent leurs programmes suivant leurs propres critères,dont,en particulier, les attentes (supposées) DU PUBLIC. À son époque,Beethoven déplorait amèrement qu'à Vienne "il n'y en ait" que pour la musique italienne.../ Amicalement.
Gonna have to agree with the (shockingly) minority, the first mvt is quite rushed. I'm all for making Shubert seem less dry for some people, but you cant just ignore 99% of the rests imo
Yes, I really hate it that he just throw out rest out of his performance. It's, like, really important to Schubert if he write every single one of them. It's some very important music text detail. It would be great if artist by this performance added to first movement something but he just was like thief that stole important thing from this music. He stole it's face. If you take away something from music text than add something to it or else what's the meaning of taking away and making it more plain and tasteless?
Not sure I like this. Ignoring rests and dynamic indications go against everything I was taught about respecting the score. Sounds more like sight reading to make a record.
Lupu would have considered all of this and weighed the consequences but I do agree that he could have obeyed the quavers without compromising his overall sound. The sudden ff's are problematic.Pianists who are totally obedient have to throw away any coherence of shape to the movement. I was listening the other day to Malofeev performing this. He obeys every dynamic to the letter but it doesn't work imo.
Timestamps for rushed passages please? Also, rubato (meter flexibility) is a thing and performers are allowed to add it if they want (if the performer can make it work). Not all "rushing" is really rushing. But again, I would appreciate mention of where in the recording you felt the rushing to be.
It's not the problem of style itself. In this particular recording the problem is in the performance, especially of the first movement where artist just ignored pauses and played all places like this with legato and pedal. I don't think It would helped this music much because I don't hear anything fascinating in this sonata but this kind of decision irritated me to the end of the movement. Because of that decision this movement sounded really flat, because half of it's face was stolen - half and eight durations with pauses was stolen! Important rhythm! No, let's just throw it all in trash. Wow, just genius, nothing much to say.
Todos comienzan imitando a alguien. Schubert sin embargo alcanzó una magnífica, genial originalidad. Además ellos dos poco tenían en común: Beethoven luchaba, luchaba; Schubert cantaba, cantaba. Dos caracteres diferentes.
00:00 I. Allegro Giusto
09:47 II. Andante
14:07 III. Allegro Vivace
What a fantastic performance of this piece by Lupu. He brings out the bleak despair that's ever-present in this piece, and his ferocious approach to the finale nicely balances out his relatively relaxed tempo for the first movement.
An epic Sonata. The piano is able to play like several instruments at the same time. And Schubert‘s inspiration comes from heaven.
schubert was not religious
God, is not religious, but loves all art which flows back to Him. He gave us these gifts, and He is, as He admits, a jealous God.
It is very orchestral
You can almost hear the 8th Symphony in a way.
@@gabrielcarpio5843 False.
absolutely beautiful composition and rendition! Love it!!
Radu Lupu nails this difficult sonata. May he rest in peace.
Masterpiece, and the performer is even more amazing to perform this. Thanks for recording and sharing.
This sonata reminds me of the 8th symphony. God, how I love this music!
He actually composed it not long after, as the Unfinished is D. 759.
Amazing piece - Lupu one of my favourite players.
Le second thème du premier mouvement est un rêve.
Février 1823 (Schubert vient d'avoir 26 ans); quelle inventivité ! Une atmosphère qui évoque celle du si dramatique "Der Zwerg"composé peu avant ; Brigitte Massin estime "inséparables" les deux œuvres. Magnifique interprétation !
All I can say is thank you, you are precious.
Poetry without need for words.
...certes, Schubert sait faire !! mais la poésie est tout autant présente dans les parties-piano de ses Lieder,avec la poésie des mots en plus !
14:55 I love this sub theme. The final movement is a confronting of the earthly theme and this heavenly longing theme.
This sonata reminds me a lot of Beethoven’s Op 111.
First time listening, must say it sounds a lot like an orchestral piece. One seems to forget that it’s in fact a piano sonata. Wonderful!
This is simply a PERFECT performance.
Идеальное это у Рихтера.
Exactly
A perfect performance of a perfect sonata.
Great performance of this Schubert. I’ve done it and it’s a fun piece to play. Love the octaves and simplicity of construction.
youre saying it as if he isn't one of the most famous pianists in history
Schöner Schubert, lieber Schubert.
Interesting developments of ideas..
Liszt hearing 14:07: Well I think this might be a good overture to my symphonic poem no. 6
RIP Lupu :(
The texture of the final reminds Alkan
What a maniac sonata!
The inconsistency of the dotted eight sixteenth rhythm makes me wonder which is the urtext
Reminds me of that Liszt sonata a bit.
lupu does this best by far yeah
17:13
Better than 664?
❤❤
6:51
Take the damn repeat!
No, its better this way.
Otherwise it s too long
Both me and my teacher agree that Schubert can sometimes drag some ideas on a little too long, so I think skipping repeats is an admissible offense for some of his music. I actually think that skipping repeats could be done more often. In some cases, where each repeat has a different ending, not so much but then you can just take the second ending. But sometimes the material itself gets too repetitive or boring so it makes sense to just move on.
why
no, too long otherwise. I'd play the repeat if it has a different ending (like D960) but not if it lengthens the first movement overmuch (this one, D894)
0:50
This Guy Was Overshadowed By Beethoven. But if I'm completely honest, Schubert is Better by a mile
Hot take!
Ce n'est pas pour rien que Schubert prenait Beethoven pour un Dieu, il faut connaître l'histoire l'ami.
Oritdrimer,il se trouve que l'Histoire est ainsi; je pense que cette bien fâcheuse habitude de CLASSER de tels créateurs est étrangère à l'Art: Beethoven lui apporte "du Beethoven", Schubert lui apporte "du Schubert", et c'est cette altérité qui l'enrichit; pas une sorte de compétition fantasmée./Amicalement.
Many wonderful composers, Beethoven's contemporaries are overshadowed by him.
Beethoven ne "fait de l'ombre" à personne: interprètes, chefs d'orchestre,organisateurs de concerts...etc..choisissent leurs programmes suivant leurs propres critères,dont,en particulier, les attentes (supposées) DU PUBLIC. À son époque,Beethoven déplorait amèrement qu'à Vienne "il n'y en ait" que pour la musique italienne.../ Amicalement.
Gonna have to agree with the (shockingly) minority, the first mvt is quite rushed. I'm all for making Shubert seem less dry for some people, but you cant just ignore 99% of the rests imo
Yes, I really hate it that he just throw out rest out of his performance. It's, like, really important to Schubert if he write every single one of them. It's some very important music text detail. It would be great if artist by this performance added to first movement something but he just was like thief that stole important thing from this music. He stole it's face. If you take away something from music text than add something to it or else what's the meaning of taking away and making it more plain and tasteless?
@@BearDimkarelax dude
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Me honey!
If it wasnt for The Lord we wouldnt even be alive
Not sure I like this. Ignoring rests and dynamic indications go against everything I was taught about respecting the score. Sounds more like sight reading to make a record.
I agree completely. For me, in their individual ways,
Alfred Brendel & Claudio Arrau bring this music to life.
Lupu would have considered all of this and weighed the consequences but I do agree that he could have obeyed the quavers without compromising his overall sound. The sudden ff's are problematic.Pianists who are totally obedient have to throw away any coherence of shape to the movement. I was listening the other day to Malofeev performing this. He obeys every dynamic to the letter but it doesn't work imo.
I agree he did not observe the dynamics exactly..
Sounds a bit rushed... remember, rests are important too.
Rushed where?
@@asalj4014 Rests are important too.
Im sure Lupu would be very interested in Pazuzu ZOZO’s opinion :)
I'm sure Lupu (let's remember, one of the greatest we have) considered it too in the study phase.
Timestamps for rushed passages please? Also, rubato (meter flexibility) is a thing and performers are allowed to add it if they want (if the performer can make it work). Not all "rushing" is really rushing. But again, I would appreciate mention of where in the recording you felt the rushing to be.
It sounds flat but that's a problem of romantic music in general
It's not the problem of style itself. In this particular recording the problem is in the performance, especially of the first movement where artist just ignored pauses and played all places like this with legato and pedal. I don't think It would helped this music much because I don't hear anything fascinating in this sonata but this kind of decision irritated me to the end of the movement. Because of that decision this movement sounded really flat, because half of it's face was stolen - half and eight durations with pauses was stolen! Important rhythm! No, let's just throw it all in trash. Wow, just genius, nothing much to say.
The problem is within you, not the music...
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SAMIY UMNIY???🤔🤭🤐
Todos comienzan imitando a alguien. Schubert sin embargo alcanzó una magnífica, genial originalidad. Además ellos dos poco tenían en común: Beethoven luchaba, luchaba; Schubert cantaba, cantaba. Dos caracteres diferentes.
Back then you could do that; they do that today
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