Al lot of the older 2k content creators left about 2 years ago, and haven't looked back. Because they understood that the game is never going to grow. New players can't just pick this game up and have fun. It's too difficult, and expensive. Your average console player, plays cheap/free games and is not taking the risk to pick a games on this price range up.
The biggest problem is everyone online is playing park and crap and that’s not real basketball, so the game play itself has so many flaws far as a simulation game because people want a arcade play style and being real they playing with fake players with god like stats yet still complain about how to play the game… the skill gap and all that is you don’t know how to play lol and that’s who 2k takes advice from, toxic arcade players messing up what was a great sim game…
This is real talk. That’s the problem though it’s essentially people making a basketball game who don’t really know anything about really playing basketball just park and pro am idiots
I have 25 years of 2K experience under my belt. I’ve seen this game thru every phase and changes. 2K downfall was the implementation of the community. They mixed cheaters with an honest community, then broadcasted it on platforms like RUclips, Twitch, Kik etc … this is my last year because honestly it won’t get any better from here. Good luck to everyone …
2k20 was actually fun despite quarantine. this game is not and why the game is dead 2k did it 2 themselves park is dead random rec is toxic u can play this game everyday & not add a friend old 2ks u used to add at leat 3 ppl a day if u played for hours. 2k making money they dont care
Make a causal based version of 2k (the game we have now) and a watered down 2k league version so people that are actually skilled and comp can make a name for themselves on that side of the community. Make the 2k league version $150. Can guarantee that’ll separate the comp and casuals.
Great vid, I'm working on a similar video rn but you hit a lot of the issues on the head. I think the overall issue is bigger than just 2k, gaming itself is different. It's much more competition based all around. It's not as much about the immersive experience you can get from playing but instead about being the best or "winning" at all cost. That then limits the creativity a content creator has because most creators think they have to be COMP to get attention, instead of the focus on showing off their personality and creative content which leads to the copy and paste content. Which as a viewer I don't want to see 12 different RUclipsrs all make a "The BEST Jumpshot Video". I could say a lot more but I'll save it lol. Gaming and 2k is just in a weird place right now.
A lot of “content creators” suck up 2k for a following. It’s in the contract. Look at Uncle Demi, he has a page that’s dying but was doing everything to stay relevant. This is exactly why you seen him being a promoter for this years game. He makes the most subpar unusable builds, basically farming money for 2k while he gets his views 😂 he’s a sellout
You do know that Lele is one of them. Please let me know if I am missing anything but Lele did not once mention in here the guilt by the 2k devs making VC more scarce than water in the Sahara
I feel bad for the kids...what kid has 100$ laying around to make a new build everytime Mike Wang decides to do an update and F your build....thats what makes Fortnite so big...you can play that game and literally dont have to spend a dollar if you dont want to...and their battle pass is waaay better for cheaper btw too ..its crazy😂😂
@@LeleMurray ps4 CANT do what the PS5 CAN do....the PS5 Can do So MUCH,,,its Up to the Devs.peRiod. What (Ranking System (MODES) 2k Put in the game??....2k Sports Never Compete for the (Gaming Awards)...in the Sports Category...(its LIKE THEY NOT EVEN TRYING).....THE PS5 GOT THE BEST PERFORMANCE OF THE SSD SOLID STATE DRIVE ...AND THE (DLSS)....and mark Cerny (cheated) and put the PHOtO CoPY Realistic image Fidelity Mode in the Ps5...mark cerny Cheated......ITS UP to the DEvs to use the HarDware Console...and make a Great basketball Game...the ps5 can do so MUCH
Toxicity is mostly prevalent in any game with pvp Ppl hate losing and they hate admitting to themselves that they lost because they weren't good enough. ALSO 2k themselves promote certain things like scamming by making certain grinds way to long /difficult or way too expensive which breeds ppl who will grind for money which creates a market which creates scammers. But like I said any game with direct pvp gameplay will be toxic ESPECIALLY when the main playerbase is white males between 10 - 30 I wasnt toxic until i played MW2 All the racism and hate i got for being decent at the game Turned me into a MONSTER Ive legit made dudes cry on the mic one dude had a break down Im not proud of it but it happened Ive since calmed down but my point is that a lot of gamers arent really toxic they are just adjusting to a toxic environment..you know when in rome. Imo one of the biggest dividers in the community is the pay 2 win aspect what happens is you have ppl who can and will spend and then u have ppl who cant or wont spend of coirse the ppl who cant or wont spend end up resenting thise who can and do which causes huge amounts of toxic behavior from both sides
The reason why a lot of people don't play this game and it's not appearing to a young audience because the game just not fun you have people play fortnite call of duty shooting games Madden 24 more than they would pick up and buy nba2k24 if NBA 2K 25 can appeal to a young audience they can move in the right direction because it's the same people that buy the game every year that's a content creator and those are the people that's complaining about the gameplay and those are the same people that's willing to spend money and complain about the VC price Michael transactions people have more fun with the old 2K games then they have with the new ones so 2K have to squeeze as much juice out of the game before they take another direction going forward in the near future in the 2K community is just toxic especially when it comes down to kid's getting attacked by grown people online they experiencing this is not a healthy environment for them
In all seriousness if people quit crying about this game and stop supporting it we will see change they gotta take a hit financially and allow them goofy streamers to keep the lights on for take-2 vote with your wallets people if your not gonna do that then your not in a position to complain consumers have rights and the right to not purchase a game is the power u have so what if it’s the only basketball game then go play irl go watch a nba game actually go to a nba game you’ll find enjoyment video games are a hobby they are not life for actual adults.
It doesn’t. COD is toxic but it’s a different type and compared they have a more creators and viewers who aren’t toxic you can get into that’s higher than 2k in equivalency. 2K is a deeper and messier toxic that crosses lines only seen on the GTA community in comparison, but guess where those people in GTA came from? Lmao
Fam, the 2k community is HORRIBLE in terms of toxicity. If you don't think so, either you are part of the toxicity issues or you have the biggest blinders on.
@@hurdyb1 did I say the 2k community wasn’t toxic? No. I said I thought cod had edge in toxicity. Of course 2k is toxic, it’s already got you saying I’m apart of the problem without even reading what I said 💀
I feel like if u doing only 2k content u should know theres a ceiling and its monitory to branch out if u want to grow and expand. If not u prob a kid w big dreams (good) or u just gotta hav a reality check rq. But i think 2k can make someone “famous” like duke and adin. Cause look at ninja. I think when he blew up off fortnite that made him global. Ik fortnite is bigger than 2k but its the principle. Ninja only playing fortnite and got to play w Drake. In my eyes… u famous bro 😂😂 Yes Fortnite has a bigger audience than 2k but Fortnite also has a ceiling. So my point is ANYTHING POSSIBLE PUT IN THE WORK. I have a 2k channel w 4.8k and this channel my car/irl lifestyle. Im already on it le
It’s not the principle. I’m not famous. Playing 2K a lot of people who care about 2k can know you. But it won’t make you rich and famous like influencers who have wider audiences outside of 2K. Fortnite has a wider audience than 2K and ninja blew up during quarantine, so when Fortnite had its biggest audience ever. Which is why he hasn’t been replicated.
@@LeleMurray if it happened it can be replicated. Speed is another ninja fr. Yes they have wider audience and personality and are outliers of success but where did all these ppl u named started? 2k? Yes so im saying being a 2k creator can give someone the lil fame they need. For the algorithm to recognize ok this person watch time is Up there. lets spread it to more ppl. Even ppl who DONT play 2k will get recommended. Internet viewers will rl watch u do any and everything if they FW U. Just like u said… reason why 2k creators have a ceiling is bc 2k is a small niche. So i think the reason we not up there w them is bc we focus to much on 2k rather than just being an authentic Entertainer/content creator. “Look at how im dribbling” “green green green” the whole content is 2k no personality. Im guilty of this. And the ones who have personality and not seeing success i feel like it takes longer for an average internet viewer to resonate with that creator. Stay consistent keep improving you will find a way if u have the Will. I think how u word it in the vid is what throwin me left cause lets not act like 2k cant bring someone life changing bread and fame compared to that person being no one b4. Ik u talking ab the elite but those ppl will be swapped out eventually. Always new ppl blowing up. 2k not the end all be all unless u want it to be but let it b a stepping stone and dont Let that be an excuse of why channel not growing or why u not famous. Look at joe knows. I think hes doing very well. How u think he feels ab his career? Dnt wan down him but me personally i dont think he’ll have that type of success switching his content. Again jus an opinion not tryna hate. But i think he can rl hit another M or 2 only 2k.
A lot of women are in gaming. They also make up more than half of viewership in gaming and esports. They don’t gravitate to communities like 2K because of the toxicity and lack of inclusivity.
Those statistics include Mobile Gaming, where Women are the main target. But no, in console gaming, it is dominated by White males. If we are to have genuine conversations, we need genuine and CLEAR facts. I love you intellect, but not a fan of "Women are better" rhetoric. Great video, nonetheless.
Al lot of the older 2k content creators left about 2 years ago, and haven't looked back. Because they understood that the game is never going to grow. New players can't just pick this game up and have fun. It's too difficult, and expensive.
Your average console player, plays cheap/free games and is not taking the risk to pick a games on this price range up.
They left because their content became stale. Luckily for them they rebranded.
Spittin
The biggest problem is everyone online is playing park and crap and that’s not real basketball, so the game play itself has so many flaws far as a simulation game because people want a arcade play style and being real they playing with fake players with god like stats yet still complain about how to play the game… the skill gap and all that is you don’t know how to play lol and that’s who 2k takes advice from, toxic arcade players messing up what was a great sim game…
This is real talk. That’s the problem though it’s essentially people making a basketball game who don’t really know anything about really playing basketball just park and pro am idiots
I have 25 years of 2K experience under my belt. I’ve seen this game thru every phase and changes. 2K downfall was the implementation of the community. They mixed cheaters with an honest community, then broadcasted it on platforms like RUclips, Twitch, Kik etc … this is my last year because honestly it won’t get any better from here. Good luck to everyone …
Jayden-zn4unYea how come no one talks about that
Same Here I’m Done Wit 2k
2k20 was actually fun despite quarantine. this game is not and why the game is dead 2k did it 2 themselves park is dead random rec is toxic u can play this game everyday & not add a friend old 2ks u used to add at leat 3 ppl a day if u played for hours. 2k making money they dont care
When i first started playing 2k i wasn’t toxic … but playing with toxic people made me toxic
Easily influenced
@@youngreckless97 not necessarily…. But i understood why
I so wish 2k players and community knew how to be competitive but not toxic,,, you need to play this louder for the people in the back
Make a causal based version of 2k (the game we have now) and a watered down 2k league version so people that are actually skilled and comp can make a name for themselves on that side of the community. Make the 2k league version $150. Can guarantee that’ll separate the comp and casuals.
Yes they are!! Crying all the time about the game and then Mike Wang change it and it breaks something else!!! Great video!!
Great vid, I'm working on a similar video rn but you hit a lot of the issues on the head. I think the overall issue is bigger than just 2k, gaming itself is different. It's much more competition based all around. It's not as much about the immersive experience you can get from playing but instead about being the best or "winning" at all cost. That then limits the creativity a content creator has because most creators think they have to be COMP to get attention, instead of the focus on showing off their personality and creative content which leads to the copy and paste content. Which as a viewer I don't want to see 12 different RUclipsrs all make a "The BEST Jumpshot Video". I could say a lot more but I'll save it lol. Gaming and 2k is just in a weird place right now.
Glad i came across this video, she is speaking alot of facts fr. Earned my follow💯 Big W
A lot of “content creators” suck up 2k for a following. It’s in the contract. Look at Uncle Demi, he has a page that’s dying but was doing everything to stay relevant. This is exactly why you seen him being a promoter for this years game. He makes the most subpar unusable builds, basically farming money for 2k while he gets his views 😂 he’s a sellout
You do know that Lele is one of them. Please let me know if I am missing anything but Lele did not once mention in here the guilt by the 2k devs making VC more scarce than water in the Sahara
Shakedown haven’t made a video since January 1
My next video addresses the game. Going by topic for the series. Best for last.
Just randomly found your channel nice personality seems like we have a lot in common Great work 😊
I could watch you all day Lele 😍
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Content creator don't make the game, some may promote , some may get pay, but at the end of the day, game itself is broken and the community is toxic
Lets be honest most of these 2k creators cant switch to irl. Half em dnt show face cam.
Favorite part about your channel is your shoe collection
I feel bad for the kids...what kid has 100$ laying around to make a new build everytime Mike Wang decides to do an update and F your build....thats what makes Fortnite so big...you can play that game and literally dont have to spend a dollar if you dont want to...and their battle pass is waaay better for cheaper btw too ..its crazy😂😂
Exactly. The barrier of entry ontop of the the monetary requirement for a good experience is a huge reason for it
W vid Lele everything u said is fax
No lies were told
Thanks for another video 😎
People hate the truth lele 💯 keep it coming
Love thumbnail of you ngl 2k getting bad day by day I hop they fix’s more things. In 2k25 ngl
Facts 💯
I see the heat in background 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
LeLe youre entertaining and beautiful...youre gonna blow up watch 💯
Looking nice today LeLe.
Oh thank you!
@@LeleMurray ps4 CANT do what the PS5 CAN do....the PS5 Can do So MUCH,,,its Up to the Devs.peRiod. What (Ranking System (MODES) 2k Put in the game??....2k Sports Never Compete for the (Gaming Awards)...in the Sports Category...(its LIKE THEY NOT EVEN TRYING).....THE PS5 GOT THE BEST PERFORMANCE OF THE SSD SOLID STATE DRIVE ...AND THE (DLSS)....and mark Cerny (cheated) and put the PHOtO CoPY Realistic image Fidelity Mode in the Ps5...mark cerny Cheated......ITS UP to the DEvs to use the HarDware Console...and make a Great basketball Game...the ps5 can do so MUCH
there one thing that you forgot on why creators destroying 2k- ego
Where you travel to
Glad you’re back
Toxicity is mostly prevalent in any game with pvp
Ppl hate losing and they hate admitting to themselves that they lost because they weren't good enough. ALSO 2k themselves promote certain things like scamming by making certain grinds way to long /difficult or way too expensive which breeds ppl who will grind for money which creates a market which creates scammers.
But like I said any game with direct pvp gameplay will be toxic ESPECIALLY when the main playerbase is white males between 10 - 30
I wasnt toxic until i played MW2
All the racism and hate i got for being decent at the game
Turned me into a MONSTER
Ive legit made dudes cry on the mic one dude had a break down
Im not proud of it but it happened
Ive since calmed down but my point is that a lot of gamers arent really toxic they are just adjusting to a toxic environment..you know when in rome.
Imo one of the biggest dividers in the community is the pay 2 win aspect what happens is you have ppl who can and will spend and then u have ppl who cant or wont spend of coirse the ppl who cant or wont spend end up resenting thise who can and do which causes huge amounts of toxic behavior from both sides
Tune into my content. I simply created my own lane, own brand and own story inside the 2k community
2k should just sell the park as a lone game mode and keep the mynba an the rest of the nba separate to keep it a simulation
Game would definitely die then lol
The problem wit 2k everybody tryin iso vs play team ball, and mfs don’t even be watchin basketball but wanna play 2k smfh
Young kids don't want to watch 5v5 basketball they want to watch you dribble all day in break ankles in the park
2K is simply just not a fun game that’s why people left honestly
I like basketball I don't even play other video games
Facts creators leaving for other games $
Both the content creators and 2k themselves
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The reason why a lot of people don't play this game and it's not appearing to a young audience because the game just not fun you have people play fortnite call of duty shooting games Madden 24 more than they would pick up and buy nba2k24 if NBA 2K 25 can appeal to a young audience they can move in the right direction because it's the same people that buy the game every year that's a content creator and those are the people that's complaining about the gameplay and those are the same people that's willing to spend money and complain about the VC price Michael transactions people have more fun with the old 2K games then they have with the new ones so 2K have to squeeze as much juice out of the game before they take another direction going forward in the near future in the 2K community is just toxic especially when it comes down to kid's getting attacked by grown people online they experiencing this is not a healthy environment for them
They definitely have destroyed the game. Not all but most.
the new agent of the 2k community??👀
You can gain subscribers even not like that and show what you've got. Just be natural, girl. Content is what matters most.
This is what I chose to look like I can wear what I want
u play fr ?
2 b honest 2k hit its peak .. gameplay still trash but 2k not viewable or entertaining enough
In all seriousness if people quit crying about this game and stop supporting it we will see change they gotta take a hit financially and allow them goofy streamers to keep the lights on for take-2 vote with your wallets people if your not gonna do that then your not in a position to complain consumers have rights and the right to not purchase a game is the power u have so what if it’s the only basketball game then go play irl go watch a nba game actually go to a nba game you’ll find enjoyment video games are a hobby they are not life for actual adults.
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Great video but I definitely think the cod community got it in terms of toxicity 😂😂😂
It doesn’t. COD is toxic but it’s a different type and compared they have a more creators and viewers who aren’t toxic you can get into that’s higher than 2k in equivalency. 2K is a deeper and messier toxic that crosses lines only seen on the GTA community in comparison, but guess where those people in GTA came from? Lmao
Fam, the 2k community is HORRIBLE in terms of toxicity. If you don't think so, either you are part of the toxicity issues or you have the biggest blinders on.
@@hurdyb1 did I say the 2k community wasn’t toxic? No. I said I thought cod had edge in toxicity. Of course 2k is toxic, it’s already got you saying I’m apart of the problem without even reading what I said 💀
I feel like if u doing only 2k content u should know theres a ceiling and its monitory to branch out if u want to grow and expand. If not u prob a kid w big dreams (good) or u just gotta hav a reality check rq. But i think 2k can make someone “famous” like duke and adin. Cause look at ninja. I think when he blew up off fortnite that made him global. Ik fortnite is bigger than 2k but its the principle. Ninja only playing fortnite and got to play w Drake. In my eyes… u famous bro 😂😂 Yes Fortnite has a bigger audience than 2k but Fortnite also has a ceiling. So my point is ANYTHING POSSIBLE PUT IN THE WORK. I have a 2k channel w 4.8k and this channel my car/irl lifestyle. Im already on it le
It’s not the principle. I’m not famous. Playing 2K a lot of people who care about 2k can know you. But it won’t make you rich and famous like influencers who have wider audiences outside of 2K. Fortnite has a wider audience than 2K and ninja blew up during quarantine, so when Fortnite had its biggest audience ever. Which is why he hasn’t been replicated.
@@LeleMurray if it happened it can be replicated. Speed is another ninja fr. Yes they have wider audience and personality and are outliers of success but where did all these ppl u named started? 2k? Yes so im saying being a 2k creator can give someone the lil fame they need. For the algorithm to recognize ok this person watch time is Up there. lets spread it to more ppl. Even ppl who DONT play 2k will get recommended. Internet viewers will rl watch u do any and everything if they FW U. Just like u said… reason why 2k creators have a ceiling is bc 2k is a small niche. So i think the reason we not up there w them is bc we focus to much on 2k rather than just being an authentic Entertainer/content creator. “Look at how im dribbling” “green green green” the whole content is 2k no personality. Im guilty of this. And the ones who have personality and not seeing success i feel like it takes longer for an average internet viewer to resonate with that creator. Stay consistent keep improving you will find a way if u have the Will. I think how u word it in the vid is what throwin me left cause lets not act like 2k cant bring someone life changing bread and fame compared to that person being no one b4. Ik u talking ab the elite but those ppl will be swapped out eventually. Always new ppl blowing up. 2k not the end all be all unless u want it to be but let it b a stepping stone and dont Let that be an excuse of why channel not growing or why u not famous. Look at joe knows. I think hes doing very well. How u think he feels ab his career? Dnt wan down him but me personally i dont think he’ll have that type of success switching his content. Again jus an opinion not tryna hate. But i think he can rl hit another M or 2 only 2k.
@@Drewrld22Bro 2k is past its prime days blowing up off it is way harder and it’s only going to get harder
Having said all of that good luck
@@malo6411 didnt say it was easy jus saying not impossible. Shawty making seem like theres no point in starting a 2k channel
Yes 😂 they are f****** the game up cause they are the ones the creators listen to
After reading the title hell yes it's not even fun no more tbh I would rather a good NBA live cause 2k is trash
Definitely toxic
Why doesn't more of the female demographic get into gaming / sports gaming?
A lot of women are in gaming. They also make up more than half of viewership in gaming and esports. They don’t gravitate to communities like 2K because of the toxicity and lack of inclusivity.
Those statistics include Mobile Gaming, where Women are the main target. But no, in console gaming, it is dominated by White males. If we are to have genuine conversations, we need genuine and CLEAR facts. I love you intellect, but not a fan of "Women are better" rhetoric. Great video, nonetheless.
A lot of women are starting to get into game straming.
Are you on Twitch? You’ll find a lot of them over there
You sound like a good little 2K puppet 💀