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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
  • the M&S christmas advert was pulled because it featured the burning colours of the Palestinian flag.
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  • @kevincollins367
    @kevincollins367 11 месяцев назад +39

    I am amazed that the Italians aren't also up in arms !! 😆

  • @MrScotchpie
    @MrScotchpie 11 месяцев назад +22

    Green red and gold are the traditional colours for Xmas. Santa traditionally wore these colours until Coca Cola decided on red and white.

    • @Athena621
      @Athena621 11 месяцев назад

      That would be incorrect. Coca Cola were not the first to dress Santa in red.

    • @helenaville5939
      @helenaville5939 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Athena621 No-one cares. The relevant point is that red, green and white are the traditional colours of Christmas and the channel owner is being disingenuous at best, downright provocative at worst.

    • @robertmckinnon6564
      @robertmckinnon6564 11 месяцев назад

      @@Athena621 they were, back in the 1920s.

    • @Athena621
      @Athena621 11 месяцев назад

      @@helenaville5939 People should care about the correctness of information, regardless its relevance.

    • @Athena621
      @Athena621 11 месяцев назад

      @@robertmckinnon6564 I suggest you search for information dating back to the 1870s and a man called Thomas Nast.

  • @djbogz1921
    @djbogz1921 11 месяцев назад +22

    The world has gone mad.
    The advert was made in August.
    Some people are just seeing something that isn't there.

    • @gillian6526
      @gillian6526 11 месяцев назад

      You're right. The add would be admired by any one who doesn't like Christmas as it "destroys" or mocks traditions in a supposedly funny way

    • @djbogz1921
      @djbogz1921 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@gillian6526 I'm not a fan of Christmas. Don't like adverts either.
      What is your point?

    • @gillian6526
      @gillian6526 11 месяцев назад

      @@djbogz1921 That the reason it has got into trouble is that it is allegedly using the colours of a particular flag. But those colours also represent Christmas and they are being thrown in to the fire along with other "traditions".
      My point is M&S can mock and destroy things much beloved by many many people world wide and that's OK. Christian or non Christian.
      But woe betide they upset anyone who doesn't share that value system
      It is double standards. Is that why you don't like the adds? If so you understand my point.
      Perhaps you have another reason?

    • @djbogz1921
      @djbogz1921 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@gillian6526 I simply don't let these things bother me at all.
      Faux outrage over nothing, in my opinion.

    • @gillian6526
      @gillian6526 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@djbogz1921 I think it's the hypocrisy I let bother me... Perfectly used to seeing anything I love and value mocked. There's nothing new there.
      But the double standards is either infuriating or hysterical.
      Haven't made up my mind which yet. "faux outrage"?
      Not quite
      Thank you for your reply

  • @htflsteve
    @htflsteve 11 месяцев назад +11

    Well if we didn't have 3.9 million life enhancing people living in this country, we would not be having this conversation. Thank you for showing the British people the error of their uninlighted ways.

  • @callycatus
    @callycatus 11 месяцев назад +31

    There is no THISMAS ..It's CHRISTMAS so saddened by this M&S

    • @firestar7774
      @firestar7774 11 месяцев назад

      Why do I get a feeling that these Marks and Sparks folk are not Christian’s really they pretend to be and along with their minions they have been playing along pretending to be Christian’s and somehow they thought it would be amusing to be silly in this instance and boy it blew up in their faces ... the creepy saturnians!

  • @boota1979
    @boota1979 11 месяцев назад +96

    I am British and red, green and white are the colours of Christmas in our country and most definitely in my house!!! The amount of turmoil and chaos in the world you would be hard pushed to find colours that don't take sides and offend someone!!!

    • @Smoothjock
      @Smoothjock 11 месяцев назад +4

      Santa Claus was a 4th Century Christian Bishop from what is now Turkey until transfigured into Father Christmas in the days of Henry VIII from whence dates his portrayal as a rubicund portly gentleman in fun trimmed green or red robes.
      The origin of his transmutation from the Adriatic region to the North Pole eludes me.

    • @stevec8496
      @stevec8496 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Smoothjock well, its obvious isnt it ????...... if he would have built his massive Christmas present factor in turkey people would know where it was , so he moved to the north pole , so no one would know where he was?.

    • @Smoothjock
      @Smoothjock 11 месяцев назад

      @@stevec8496 🤦🏼‍♂️ 🙄

    • @howardosborne8647
      @howardosborne8647 11 месяцев назад +6

      Always have been the traditional colours of Christmas and should continue to be so.

    • @Smoothjock
      @Smoothjock 11 месяцев назад

      @@howardosborne8647 depends what you mean by “always”.

  • @jaynehaffmann3944
    @jaynehaffmann3944 11 месяцев назад +4

    I hate it! The advert is anti Christmas pro woke!

  • @Hullabaloolah
    @Hullabaloolah 11 месяцев назад +7

    Have M and S also apologised to the Welsh and the Italians for the colours of the hats that could have been re-cycled.? Here in the United Wokedom I am surprised they even took a chance using an open fire with logs on the hearth. Let's all "deck the halls" and have a peaceful and Happy Christmas!

  • @firestar7774
    @firestar7774 11 месяцев назад +4

    Oh gosh Marks and Sparks had to do their part and boy did they blow it! Sickos the lot of them!!!

  • @simonbamford8441
    @simonbamford8441 11 месяцев назад +5

    Wonder what the Italians think?

  • @gillian6526
    @gillian6526 11 месяцев назад +8

    The add would have cheared anyone who hates Christmas and wants to see the use of the word Christmas changed or mocked.
    I find it fascinating that the mockery and destruction of traditions that are loved by many people the world over are hardly even noticed by the woke rulers.
    Can you imagine the M&S managers sitting round the board room table laughing their heads off at how funny it is to think "this mass not that mass" While the beautiful, clad in M&S clothing (which, let's face it, you have to have a bit of dosh to shop there) have a bit of fun batting toy elves into the sky. Setting light to cards and generally destroying traditional things loved by many.
    But it's OK to mock those who love Christmas. While at the same time making money out of it.
    As usual the double standards and hypocrisy of the left is shines out into the darkness

    • @markwelch3564
      @markwelch3564 11 месяцев назад +1

      Wait, what?
      In what world could you describe a big corporation as "the left"?

    • @TigerOnVaseline
      @TigerOnVaseline 10 месяцев назад +2

      🎯

  • @ivanconnolly7332
    @ivanconnolly7332 11 месяцев назад +11

    Thanks M and S for providing me with a boycott target.

    • @carolewynn9407
      @carolewynn9407 11 месяцев назад +1

      Why ??? Christmas hasn't been about Christianity, for the majority for decades.

    • @helenaville5939
      @helenaville5939 11 месяцев назад

      Well done for taking the bait. 🙄

  • @roymillsjnr5172
    @roymillsjnr5172 11 месяцев назад +19

    Well there's kids in the UK going to wake up starving and freezing and some homeless this Christmas, so well done M&S for highlighting the suffering of individuals this Christmas time, there's a 4 tier system now in this country with people living in abject poverty, and the state as made it, if Britain falls blame the Tories and all the people that turn a blind eye and just make sound bites, I've just seen people on £200,000 to £300,000 a year , having jollies , looking forward to Christmas, all TV personalities, vaqous entities , the gods destroyed soddom and gommorah because it had become evil and wicked , self absorbed, would seem society hasn't moved a inch

    • @cynthiamorris1874
      @cynthiamorris1874 11 месяцев назад +8

      This was done in August apparently, nothing to do with Palestine. The problem with the advert is they are trying to get rid of Christmas!! Crazy!

    • @gillian6526
      @gillian6526 11 месяцев назад +5

      God destroyed Soddom and Gommorah. I think He's doing the same thing again. It's just taking longer because He wants people to repent and He is giving them time. Also giving time for the word to go out to the ends of the earth. But I think we are witnessing the beginning of the end times.

    • @peterswires8439
      @peterswires8439 11 месяцев назад +2

      Do you really think a retailer like M and S cares about 'highlighting the suffering of individuals this Christmas'?

    • @10whiten99
      @10whiten99 11 месяцев назад

      @@cynthiamorris1874Trying to get rid of Christmas… with a Christmas advert? 😂

  • @joangordon3376
    @joangordon3376 11 месяцев назад +3

    Sorry, but this is just too silly for words. Red holly berries, surrounded by green holly leaves against a background of white snow give us our Christmas colours.

  • @funkyassbassable
    @funkyassbassable 11 месяцев назад +31

    We have had these ads for decades, nothing in them has changed. I see nothing wrong, but I see stupid people.

  • @patsymccarthy7053
    @patsymccarthy7053 11 месяцев назад +2

    Totally ridiculous comparison. Red, green and white have always been Christmas colours. Simple as that.

  • @nicholasbethell2921
    @nicholasbethell2921 11 месяцев назад +2

    The level of reasoning that concludes that anything that is green white and red signifies support for Hamas is reminiscent of Q anon supporters. I'm disappointed that M & S gave in to their ridiculous complaints..

  • @frankyuk
    @frankyuk 11 месяцев назад +2

    This is not just a crap Christmas advert. it's an M&S crap Christmas advert...

  • @rayboish
    @rayboish 11 месяцев назад +2

    I think that we should be more concerned that M&S are more intent on ensuring they insert the adequate amount of diversity. That they have managed to completely remove any sign of a traditional British Family Christmas, any trace of a traditional Christian festival, and any message about giving, rather than taking.
    I suppose I should be used to this rubbish each year by now !!

  • @vyvienvp3413
    @vyvienvp3413 11 месяцев назад +3

    Saw this add once recently, that was enough for me, just based on the weird banality of the 'message', yes where was the Christmas message?!! (Of family, community and peace on earth - a time for reflection). This facile add is just plain idiotic!

  • @carolewynn9407
    @carolewynn9407 11 месяцев назад +3

    Do you think this advert was made recently ?? Normally filmed around July.😂

  • @morfadave1947
    @morfadave1947 11 месяцев назад +1

    I was under the impression that the Palestinian flag is red, white, green AND BLACK. I see no black hats in this picture. Have there been any complaints from the Italians or Hungarians whose flags actually are red, white and green only?

  • @nicholasbethell2921
    @nicholasbethell2921 11 месяцев назад +1

    I can understand M & S failing to foresee the pettiness of some people. I suppose Leister Tigers will have to change their rugby strip now on the same principle.

  • @catherinemurphy1264
    @catherinemurphy1264 10 месяцев назад +1

    The Holly and The Ivy. Mistletoe and Wine. Snow.
    Red, Green and White are the colours of Christmas.

  • @T1tusCr0w
    @T1tusCr0w 11 месяцев назад +2

    I’m a Palestine supporter & think this war is wrong. However. These party hats are so clearly the colours of Christmas 🎄 it’s obvious. It’s an unfortunate coincidence the hearth being black metal & so they form the Palestinian flag. 🇵🇸 I would be stunned if this was intentional in any way.
    It’s kinda unfortunate & unfair on M&S in my humble opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @thecolorpurple4488
    @thecolorpurple4488 11 месяцев назад +1

    I'm more offended that "thismas" is used. Silly me feels my british traditions like CHRISTMAS are also being sent hurtling into oblivion.

  • @Neil264Hoskins
    @Neil264Hoskins 11 месяцев назад +2

    No it isn't. Don't be so ridiculous. Those are Christmas colours, vaguely like the flags of Italy and Ireland, and also the national colours of Bangladesh. Does everything have to be passed in front of an "Offence Inspector" as well as lawyers these days?

  • @mickeyfrancismcdaid
    @mickeyfrancismcdaid 11 месяцев назад +2

    I know I sound like a miserable grump, but the ad is all about destruction, is Elf on the shelf going in the shredder? it’s The Massacre of the Innocents, as far as I see it, which I suppose is Christmassy in a Herod sort of a way.

  • @howardcopestake1036
    @howardcopestake1036 11 месяцев назад +1

    When you see the Funny side when you consider that M&S was originally created by two Jewish brothers an still has a very large Jewish connection!!!!

  • @leegould5306
    @leegould5306 11 месяцев назад +1

    There’s stupid and there’s M&S stupid…

  • @johnbell1859
    @johnbell1859 11 месяцев назад +18

    Only sympathises from that Terrorist organisation would see those colours that way, we British people don’t. They just happen to be Christmas colours. 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @ausbrum
      @ausbrum 11 месяцев назад +2

      Except that the British Christmas customs were inventions stemming from Queen Victoria's consort

    • @johnbell1859
      @johnbell1859 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@ausbrum And. 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @grahamariss2111
      @grahamariss2111 11 месяцев назад +1

      Your "traditional British Christmas" is in fact a Victorian import from Germany. It is as British as the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family is.

    • @johnbell1859
      @johnbell1859 11 месяцев назад

      @@grahamariss2111 I will embrace that fact with open arms. Better that than Palestinian and Hamas values. 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @grahamariss2111
      @grahamariss2111 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnbell1859 You should also then learn that approximately 2% of the population of the Palestinian territories are Christians.

  • @stevosd60
    @stevosd60 11 месяцев назад +1

    It's not the colours it's the fact that they are on fire.... The agency who did it should have checked that out...
    Christmas hats in the fire isn't exactly a positive merry message 🙃

  • @songscoops4205
    @songscoops4205 11 месяцев назад +1

    People are fickle...this ad was made months ago....

  • @BRiiXEY
    @BRiiXEY 11 месяцев назад +1

    Red white and green are literally the colours of Christmas, not like they threw a flag on the fire

    • @charliekane135
      @charliekane135 10 месяцев назад +1

      People with persecution complexes and victim mentality literally search for things to whine about

  • @gooeyrhubarb1593
    @gooeyrhubarb1593 11 месяцев назад +1

    Turns out much of our culture, recreation and pleasures are haram. Get it while you still can! 🤡🌍

  • @stumbling
    @stumbling 11 месяцев назад +1

    Why post an image of burning Christmas hats at all? Seems like a case of negative energy, putting two fingers up to tradition, and it came back to bite them. Something like karma.

  • @redscouse8568
    @redscouse8568 11 месяцев назад +1

    Big drama over nothing, the colours are red, green and silver do we not use these colours anymore, what about blue and yellow lets ban them too the PC BS is going to far. More pearl clutching for the righteous.

  • @tamrielspirit3285
    @tamrielspirit3285 11 месяцев назад +1

    People will jump on anything these days if they feel offended just to get the likes on social media. I saw the add before the storm and never made any connection between it and Palestine but there is always some one outraged enough to try and play join the dots blindfolded.

  • @alisdairmclean8605
    @alisdairmclean8605 11 месяцев назад +4

    Tim in this video if you look just past your right shoulder you will see the colours of the Palestinian flag. Any comments?

  • @kyorin6526
    @kyorin6526 11 месяцев назад +2

    Much ado about nothing basically...

  • @williambilly8110
    @williambilly8110 11 месяцев назад +1

    We must be mad mad

  • @bookie5667
    @bookie5667 11 месяцев назад +3

    When I watched your video Tim my initial thought was that Marks was a Jewish immigrant which makes this mistake a little odd, although I don't suppose today's M & S has much connection with it's founders. Then I looked for the advert and ended up watching lots of M & S Christmas ads before I found the right one.... so their objective was achieved, surely?
    They've generated lots of publicity for an apparently genuine mistake and people like me have watched ads that I would usually ignore. Perhaps they're not as stupid as you think.

  • @ebruvlogs2514
    @ebruvlogs2514 11 месяцев назад +1

    Why even throw the Christmas hats in the fire? Its clearly not respectful of the celebration season in any case & just shows disrespect. Also yes it does represent the palestinian flag. They should repect everyone regardless including palestinians! But lets not forget its link with Israel in the past.

  • @iann23
    @iann23 11 месяцев назад +3

    Tim, as somebody who identifies as Father Christmas, why are you so against it?

  • @seymourclearly
    @seymourclearly 11 месяцев назад +1

    I disagree, this is just a coincidence and colours were around long before countries, they should not be assigned to countries unless as part of a flag.

  • @Lktravel1
    @Lktravel1 11 месяцев назад +2

    So excited for Christmas and I enjoy seeing many companies advertise the Christmas spirit. But M&S aren’t fucking stupid, it’s not just 1 person who publishes an advert. It goes through many people and it takes weeks. Current affairs are always given before publishing an advert. So burning these 3 colours on a fire right now this exact week whilst people have been stopped for supporting Palestinian independence, stopped from using those exact 3 colours together this exact month is stupidity at its best. They knew it’ll trigger many people who agree to freedom and no to genocide and bombings 💣 ❌ so why do it. There’s better ways of advertising Christmas and the same 3 Christmassy colours. What sort of beauty to the season does that give, burning your deco and hats. It’s just timing.

    • @andrealegg2527
      @andrealegg2527 11 месяцев назад

      If people are so weak minded that an advert with christmassy colours what happened to be the same colour as the Palestine flag hurt their feelings (btw the colours of Italian, Hungarian etc flags are the same) than they deserve it. Where so it will end up if we all have to tip toe around subjects, events etc and remove colours, words, just in case some weak minded person associate those colours, words with something.
      First people have to do their f..king research before they jump into conclusions. Second these whiney hurty feeling people have to toughen the hell up.

  • @lamestreammedia3154
    @lamestreammedia3154 11 месяцев назад +9

    These big companies have ridiculed the English flag. So too has Labour. Nobody has violent reactions.
    Don't worry, I predict m&s to announce financial support for Gaza, just like McDonald's will who had painted mice thrown into a restaurant by palestinian supporters . Your reaction would make a great video prof.

    • @normanchristie4524
      @normanchristie4524 11 месяцев назад

      Which flag was ridiculed?

    • @bookie5667
      @bookie5667 11 месяцев назад

      Do you think a company that was founded by a Jewish immigrant (Marks) would want to get involved in the politics of this conflict? Somehow I doubt it.

    • @boota1979
      @boota1979 11 месяцев назад

      @@normanchristie4524 It wasn't ridiculed in many cases it was banned, on council buildings etc . The flag of England is the Saint George's Cross, sadly it has links with English Defence League.

    • @lamestreammedia3154
      @lamestreammedia3154 11 месяцев назад

      @@boota1979 yet some of those people that won't fly an English flag cos wacism, choose to drive Volkswagen cars which were created under the directive of Ad@lf Hitl@r. Pure social engineering.

  • @christopherbentley7289
    @christopherbentley7289 11 месяцев назад +1

    Where's the black bit of the Palestinian flag? As one comment that I've spotted here remarked Italy could just as well be offended by this advertisment, or Hungary, or Bulgaria, for example, for that matter. One thing that does occur to me is the Jewish origin of the company, which may have some people muttering about Jews being in-and-in with each other, however.

  • @Lktravel1
    @Lktravel1 11 месяцев назад +1

    Listen this conflict is big news right now across the world. We’re not in a small country in the pacific where we’re so far our population is unaware of the bombing and apartheid. Every company like M&S will obviously want to remain non-biased, they want to make a profit. Adverts go through a lot of people and it takes weeks - You analyse everything. You CANNOT release an advert burning the 3 colours of a country where a genocide is taking place. It’s not a Christmas colour,the PR and marketing team had enough time to edit the footage and change the colours. I’m not Muslim Jew or Christian, but fuck me we’re not blind or stupid.

  • @nektekket852
    @nektekket852 11 месяцев назад

    Simply an unfortunate coincidence, someone wasn't paying attention

  • @stop-the-greed
    @stop-the-greed 10 месяцев назад +1

    Looks more like Italy from here

  • @howardosborne8647
    @howardosborne8647 11 месяцев назад +2

    Would it be best if we had christmas in monochrome from here onward to avoid the prospect of offending some snowflake or other?

  • @tombartram7384
    @tombartram7384 11 месяцев назад +1

    I grew up in a council house with nicotine walls and one year nobody bothered to take the lick-link Xmas decorations down in January. After Xmas all the holiday ads came on to further mock us in our poverty.

  • @veeday1146
    @veeday1146 11 месяцев назад +7

    If M&S was still being run by its founders I would think that it was no accident, but it isn’t and has been showing for years that it does not have its eye on the ball or much else either. To not check up on their big Christmas media campaign before its premier seems to be par for the course. Perhaps they thought that it’s shoppers were also too unaware of world events to notice anything much except the price of their party size pork sausage rolls.

  • @thomaswalker6905
    @thomaswalker6905 11 месяцев назад +1

    When was silver in the palestine flag

  • @bill-2018
    @bill-2018 11 месяцев назад +3

    Some people look for problems that aren't there.

  • @cookielicious82
    @cookielicious82 11 месяцев назад +2

    Whilst I accept these are traditional Christmas colours, however how do you not notice the sensitivities and world issues…. People are fed up and upset and there is marks and Spencer’s clearly hiring marketing who is what exactly, run by Mickey Mouse and elf’s. If we all saw blue and white burning in the background would we say yeah unintentional. It doesn’t matter if it’s unintentional, have sensitivities for ffs

  • @mpsymonds1
    @mpsymonds1 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sorry Tim i have to disagree. No reason to do any thing. I am furious that M&S bottled it. Some useful idiots throw their toys out and M&S say sorry. Very weak. This would never have happened if a blue paper hat had ended up in the fire. Nobody would have noticed. I believe a Palestinian wouldn't have give a second glance at the advert. Once again its the" pretend to care morons" that get their nickers in a twist.

  • @redbird9658
    @redbird9658 10 месяцев назад

    Im offended they ruined the games, burnt the cards, dumped the fairy and batted away the elf.
    Rubbish advert if they want to sell stuff.

  • @poolplayerpoolplayer7430
    @poolplayerpoolplayer7430 11 месяцев назад +3

    The only thing that was stupid is that people where offended by it!!

  • @peterbunyan3924
    @peterbunyan3924 11 месяцев назад

    Would never have thought of it.

  • @oralogarro9932
    @oralogarro9932 11 месяцев назад +3

    I love there salad 🥗 which I wil continue to buy

  • @mda5003
    @mda5003 11 месяцев назад

    But then I never did like wearing paper Christmas hats........

  • @BrightonandHoveActually
    @BrightonandHoveActually 11 месяцев назад +2

    Whilst I understand the point of view, the fact of the matter is that Palestine's is not the only flag to use red, white and green.
    Belarus, Bulgaria, Burundi, Hungary, Iran, Lebanon, Madagascar, Maldives, Mexico and Oman all do.
    So part of me says that somebody is being a bit too sensitive here.
    There is also another issue to consider, though. The founders of M&S were Jewish. Ought M&S to have considered whether they should have been more sensitive to thi? Or would an attempt to obstruct M&S from acting in a particular way because of its Jewish heritage amount to antisemitism?
    I am not giving a decision on this, simply showing that things are not straightforward.

    • @grahamariss2111
      @grahamariss2111 11 месяцев назад

      What have you got against the Italians?

  • @Mark..Birchenough
    @Mark..Birchenough 10 месяцев назад +1

    Yeah, I'm unfollowing you. It's the colours of 3 separate Christmas party hats. Not a flag. I support peace and pray for a ceasefire in Palestine. But the advert is not in any way remotely associated with the Palestine flag.

  • @JamesDickson-vs5of
    @JamesDickson-vs5of 11 месяцев назад +5

    Despite the timeline, there will be those who will say this is M £ S , displaying there true " colours" 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✌️

    • @CMI2017
      @CMI2017 11 месяцев назад +2

      People always infer according to their own confirmation bias. Doesn't make them insightful.

  • @Barbarapape
    @Barbarapape 11 месяцев назад +1

    I have to agree with the comment below, ok it's is an unfortunate choice of colour at the moment
    but how many would even notice.
    What realy annoys me about M&S Christmas adverts is that they show a table full of very expensive
    food that most people can't afford with all the other expenses of Christmas.
    I could just about afford it, but would regret spending that amount of money for a few days of food.
    Get real M&S you are out of touch with reality!

  • @monojdas-gupta5918
    @monojdas-gupta5918 11 месяцев назад

    Is it stupidity or cupidity?

  • @gerryh61
    @gerryh61 11 месяцев назад +3

    They are looking for trouble- a very bad move.

  • @mandead
    @mandead 11 месяцев назад +1

    Talk about tone deaf.

  • @Crouchy232323
    @Crouchy232323 11 месяцев назад +5

    I do not believe that we should be celebrating Christmas as normal this year considering Jesus was a Palestinian who has not yet condemned Hamas

  • @williamhoffman4337
    @williamhoffman4337 11 месяцев назад +2

    No such thing as bad publicity

  • @williamwade641
    @williamwade641 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sounds like a storm in a teacup.

  • @vivienclogger
    @vivienclogger 11 месяцев назад +2

    M&S seems to have had historical support for both Israel and Zionism, and though the original Jewish founders are no longer involved, the assumption that there is clear support for Israel remains.
    The advert would have been thought up and filmed before the Hamas attack in October, so the choice of colours wouldn't have been deliberate, only coincidental - green and red are often associated with Christmas.
    Having said all that - knowing that M&S are historically linked to Israel and with the destruction going on in Gaza, it was incredibly clumsy and insensitive of M&S not to make the connections between the colours of the Palestinian flag and the advert.
    The kind of people who actively want to see Palestinian babies burn are probably the same people who feel the same way about Jewish babies, so either way, M&S have really messed up on this occasion.

    • @carlpeberdy9086
      @carlpeberdy9086 11 месяцев назад +2

      It seems entirely reasonable to use colours traditionally associated with Christmas and not notice that they are similar to the Palestinian colours - I certainly wouldn't have noticed, especially as not all the colours are there - people are dying in Gaza and you are complaining about party hats, it's insane.

    • @grahamariss2111
      @grahamariss2111 11 месяцев назад +1

      I am just penning a letter to the Italian Embassy telling them to stop using Palestinian colours on their flag.

    • @vivienclogger
      @vivienclogger 11 месяцев назад

      @@carlpeberdy9086 I'm pointing out why people HAVE complained and why - because of their past connections - M&S have been taken to task.

    • @vivienclogger
      @vivienclogger 11 месяцев назад

      @@grahamariss2111 carry on being ridiculous and asinine - it shows exactly the right level of compassion and understanding. 😁👍

    • @carlpeberdy9086
      @carlpeberdy9086 11 месяцев назад

      @@grahamariss2111Maybe the advert was a comment on the fate of the Roman empire and the history of Palestine?

  • @critcalreader4160
    @critcalreader4160 11 месяцев назад +2

    Will M&S be boycotted? No. The Brits won't deny themselves for a principle.

  • @chrism7969
    @chrism7969 11 месяцев назад

    I disagree, this is people being overly sensitive. Red and green and white are very traditional Christmas colours and in all probability the designers of the advert had no idea of the colours of the Palestinian flag. Also they are paper hats, they are not the Palestinian flag. Further the Palestinian flag contains a black stripe and there was no black coloured hat. I'm not sure we could reasonably expect people to anticipate the reaction this has received. Should the designers have considered all the conflicts in the world and avoided using any colours in any of the flags of the Nations involved in those conflicts, that would rule out a lot of colours. No doubt they've taken it down to minimise the criticism, but I do not think they've done anything wrong or anything particularly stupid.
    Human beings have a tendency to read significance into things where there is no significance. If the colours of the hats were red white and blue I suspect some "Patriots" would be suggesting this was intended as an underhand insult against this country.
    They've taken this down not because they've done anything wrong, but because they've calculated there's no commercial benefit to defending themselves against what in my view is unjustified criticism. The problem is they will now receive criticism from those who think that they should not have taken it down.

  • @Smoothjock
    @Smoothjock 11 месяцев назад +4

    Accidental? I would take some convincing.

  • @sukiduke348
    @sukiduke348 11 месяцев назад

    It doesn’t look like a flag to me, If you seeing it as a flag then you need to go to spec savers.
    If you look at the far left there is Red space then white. Like there separate things as clearly the red isn’t joining to anything. There two blacks spaces and not just one. 😐

  • @sukiduke348
    @sukiduke348 11 месяцев назад

    Having watch the vid, you confirm it wasn’t a Palestinian flag at all. That would be rather shocking but it turns out as you said paper Hats. Then it is a none issue and M&S shouldn’t pulled them Ad. And someone mentioned it was already recorded.
    It not was recorded three weeks ago. 🏳‍🌈 Have a pride flag instead. 😂

  • @glennewen7090
    @glennewen7090 11 месяцев назад +19

    Who thought that the traditional Christmas colours represented the Palestinian flag? Nor me...........

  • @PythonLee
    @PythonLee 11 месяцев назад +31

    The advert was an insult to Christians and M&S apologizes to Muslims.
    You couldn't make this up.

    • @grahamariss2111
      @grahamariss2111 11 месяцев назад +3

      Why is it an insult to Christians? A Christian true to their bible would not be celebrating Christmas, the reason we came to celebrate it to such an extent in the Norther European cultures is because we had various pagan festivals which were used to give us a "collective hug" in mid winter to celebrate being "half way out the dark". The Christian church just rebranded these festivals into what we know today as Christmas, because they knew most people would not buy their particular brand of god bothering if they took their favourite holiday away. However the Puritans in June 1647, passed an ordinance banning Christmas, Easter and Whitsun festivities, services and celebrations, including festivities in the home, with fines for non-compliance, however unsurprisingly that did not end well for them and by 1660 they were all but gone.

    • @vomgrady
      @vomgrady 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@grahamariss2111 Beautifully said.

    • @peterswires8439
      @peterswires8439 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@grahamariss2111That is a totally invalid argument, because Christmas is widely accepted by Christians. Anyone can quote the Bible to support any argument they want to

    • @janemacdonald3732
      @janemacdonald3732 11 месяцев назад

      We all know what sensitive souls Hamas has, let's not inflame their anger by burning paper hats. I surgest we all HUG A MUSLIM this Christmas. 1warning only hug Muslims of the same sex/gender as you

    • @grahamariss2111
      @grahamariss2111 11 месяцев назад

      @@peterswires8439 It is widely accepted by a lot more people than Christians, I have celebrated Christmas in Japan and throughout South East Asia, although in one Hotel in Tokyo they did nail a Father Christmas to a Cross as part of their Christmas decorations, but I can see how they could make that mistake with the whole Christian symbolism associated with it being so absurdly contorted to fit in with its Pagan origins. Christmas has never truly been a Christian event, it is at heart today, what it has always been, a Consumption event and long may it stay so. Yes you are right, anyone can quote the Bible to support any argument they want to and there is the fundamental basis of the whole Christian Religion which is why it is still with us today.

  • @damianleah6744
    @damianleah6744 11 месяцев назад +49

    Oh come on, this is getting ridiculous. I for one didn’t see this until it was pointed out.

    • @johnwall8862
      @johnwall8862 11 месяцев назад +7

      Totally agree with you

    • @davidhodgkins193
      @davidhodgkins193 11 месяцев назад +9

      Pandering to the few sadly

    • @Alan-gh8X
      @Alan-gh8X 11 месяцев назад +1

      And neither would the pakis

    • @helenaville5939
      @helenaville5939 11 месяцев назад +5

      He does it all the time: provokes malicious ideas by pretending they are already out there when they are not. It's why I unsubscribed some months ago and now only watch the odd video when it comes up on my feed. He is not the angelic persona he tries to project.

    • @robertmckinnon6564
      @robertmckinnon6564 11 месяцев назад +3

      All I saw was a terrible ad that doesn't motivate me one bit to shop in M&S.

  • @neilfletcher4951
    @neilfletcher4951 11 месяцев назад +12

    Green Red and White are colours that are traditionally used at Christmas so I'll be honest that's what I saw not the Palestinian flag but hey what do I know

  • @ConradAinger
    @ConradAinger 11 месяцев назад +10

    A young cousin of mine, recently seeing the foreign flag in question, actually thought it was a Christmas decoration.
    To throw a red, white and blue flag on the fire would , of course, have been perfectly acceptable.
    My great grandfather fought under a flag that was a dramatic red, white and black. Any takers?

  • @louisdisbury9759
    @louisdisbury9759 11 месяцев назад +5

    Does anyone Know that Marks and Spense was a Jewish retailer?.

  • @piccalillipit9211
    @piccalillipit9211 11 месяцев назад +30

    *M&S IS RUN BY A GUY* who thought Brexit would be a good idea and then had to admit, he had never considered the impacts on his pan-European business as they shut about 11 EU stores...
    Do you THINK they are a company that thinks about detail...???

    • @PythonLee
      @PythonLee 11 месяцев назад

      Germany thought staying was a good idea and now the country is in recession
      The eurozone also thought staying was a good idea and now it's in recession.
      I'll take Brexit it every time. Try and keep up, you regressives are all the same.

  • @GBURGE55
    @GBURGE55 11 месяцев назад +4

    It's a matter of time that Christmas in this country will be banned or at least seriously fround upon in the (foreseeable future)as the Islamic fundamentalist get a bigger toe hold & say in what we can do.😢

  • @sallirobinson2907
    @sallirobinson2907 11 месяцев назад +4

    The entire advert is awful, anti Christmas. Lots of complaints, but they pulled as it might offend people with the red, white and green flag.

    • @TigerOnVaseline
      @TigerOnVaseline 10 месяцев назад +2

      I believe it's back up again. 🤔
      That's kinda odd to me.
      Fuel to the fire perhaps?

  • @danielrainsbury2131
    @danielrainsbury2131 11 месяцев назад +6

    If you look at the tiles long enough you can see something too.

  • @charliekane135
    @charliekane135 10 месяцев назад +2

    They are also the colours of the flags of Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary, Madagascar, Mexico and Belarus.
    Red white and green are colours synonymous with Christmas since Victorian times. Santa, trees, you know?
    It's called 'tradition'.

  • @Christine-ry1qq
    @Christine-ry1qq 11 месяцев назад +4

    Thoughts on ASDA’S new Oh so diverse (Unless your white) Xmas campaign and the fact that they will not sell Christmas cards or anything else “Christian “ depicting Christ ????

    • @sirpagandetyptoft6793
      @sirpagandetyptoft6793 11 месяцев назад +2

      Part on the on going issue of taking Christ out of Christmas is the use of the word Xmas instead of Christmas, just saying 😉

  • @terrydaktyllus1320
    @terrydaktyllus1320 11 месяцев назад +6

    There are two types of people in this world:
    1. Those that watch Christmas ads selling you sh1t you neither want or need in the first place, or
    2. Those that have good hobbies or nice friends and family in which to invest their time much more constructively.

    • @gillian6526
      @gillian6526 11 месяцев назад +3

      Or...
      1) Thise who love Christmas and all it stands for and...
      2) Those who can only see Christmas in negative view point and can only mock and distort the first group.

    • @terrydaktyllus1320
      @terrydaktyllus1320 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@gillian6526 No, they haven't invented "Telepathy Over The Internet" yet so put your "Amateur Internet Psychologist" books away now.
      You've never met me, you haven't a clue how I think just because you've read a few words that I've written here.
      So wind your neck in, run along now and get over yourself.
      Discussion closed.

    • @gillian6526
      @gillian6526 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@terrydaktyllus1320 lol sorry. Didn't realise insults and implication is only one way traffic. 😫😱🤣 Me thinks the lady doth protest too much 😆

    • @TigerOnVaseline
      @TigerOnVaseline 10 месяцев назад +2

      Personally, I think there are WAY more than "two types of people in this world". 😉

    • @TigerOnVaseline
      @TigerOnVaseline 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@terrydaktyllus1320 Rude. 😒

  • @PlanetaryCitizen
    @PlanetaryCitizen 11 месяцев назад +4

    I never shop in Marks anymore, though I must confess to missing their extra strong tea bags! Lol. During one of the previous incursions into Gaza, many people I know in my town boycotted the store and one group protested outside it.

    • @ausbrum
      @ausbrum 11 месяцев назад +1

      Maybe with the Australia/UK trade agreement, in the future it will be possible to buy Australian tea which actually is sold in tea bags containing tea rather than oak tree leaves

  • @MattThornton87
    @MattThornton87 11 месяцев назад +4

    Thought provoking video Tim.
    I threw away a red & green tea towel the other day as it was worn out, does that make me evil too I wonder. It just goes to prove if you go out looking for "offense" you'll find it even where none is intended. Many flags feature red green & white. This ad had zero to do with politics & the company should have had the strength to tell people to stop being so silly. If the hats had the actual image of an individual flag on them, that would be entirely different.

  • @fzm4115
    @fzm4115 10 месяцев назад +1

    What about the womans BLUE eyeliner ?!

  • @billie4106
    @billie4106 11 месяцев назад +1

    Chamas, or christmas. Silly people. Christ mass.. 🙏 bubbles,tinsel,trees,pudding, 🌲 when are these people going to grow up???

  • @familytreeourstory
    @familytreeourstory 11 месяцев назад +1

    M&S is a Jewish company. They should be allowed to support Israel.

  • @johnwall8862
    @johnwall8862 11 месяцев назад +1

    There christmas colours what a joke

  • @mauricecasey866
    @mauricecasey866 11 месяцев назад +1

    You are the problem. Wokest of the woke. They are traditional Christmas colours, nothing wrong with the ad. When will red white and blue be cancelled?

  • @janemacdonald3732
    @janemacdonald3732 11 месяцев назад +1

    There's no such thing as bad publicly. Why waste a golden opportunity to make more money