@@CoelhoSports😂😂 do you think the border is just having problems pea brain 🧠?! 😂 this has always been a problem the politicians just like using it as a tool to be elected.
Kind of but also not? This is a hit to the credibility of Kenya as a whole, an 'if they didn't catch Cherono who else might they not have caught, intentionally or not' at best and if the rabbit hole goes deeper, not being allowed to represent your country in the case of Russia at worst. Countries would really rather not go through all this, they have a vested interest in making sure their athletes aren't doping
@@CoelhoSports Exactly yeah, they lose a lot of credibility abroad as well. There's lots of coverage on it right now and even if they test clean at the olympics, there's not going to be a lot of trust in a Chinese winner, and that might even hit the NOC NSF as well _even_ if they followed all normal procedures
Kenya anti doping team this year has ramped up on testing the athletes and letting them know which drugs they can take and the ones they cannot . Though this Cherono one is fishy ofc ,he knew what he was doing together with his partner
They all know what they can take. They just take risks to get an additional edge over their fellow users. That's also how US athletes wind up testing positive
Wow, what a shock it is to find out that these athletes who are sprinting through marathons in just over two hours aren’t clean. I thought it was just shoe technology and new secret training techniques.
Same I just thought that these athletes just eat clen, tren hard and anavar give up. If they follow this and are dedicated they can make it to the olymPEDS
@@MrLegendra России запретили выступать на ОИ уже после того как обрушились санкции, а они обрушились после того, как Россия обошла США по золотым медалям на чемпионате мира 2013, на Кению после того как она обошла США по золоту на чемпионате мира 2015. Таковы неумолимые факты. Шутить не могите с князьями!
Trimetazidine is actually a very popular drug used apparently in other sports to dope such as swimming and figure skating. People call it the new Meldonium. So yeah, this was very intentional doping.
3:38 Hey man, I didn’t know how common this is mistake is made, until Google opened my eyes. The wife’s medical records would CORROBORATE the athletes story, & not collaborate her part of the story.
This is the same substance that was involved in the case of the 14 Chinese swimmers. They go because they claimed that they found the substance in the hotel kitchen 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
They did find it in the hotel kitchen. The coach helpfully put it there for them to take so they wouldn’t have to carry it in their luggage through customs.
At the highest level of every sport, everyone is doping There are labs that are making custom drugs for every specific athlete, that will enhance their performance as much as they can to the limit where they can pass dope tests without raising suspicions
It's a 7 year ban that started with the provisional ban 2 years ago, so he'll be 40, not 42, but it's the end of his elite class career. Maybe he could come back as a boosted masters runner.
Okay, he was caught beyond a reasonable doubt. Did he forfeit ill-gotten prize money or otherwise assure that others got their due regard? Athletics can do better than take the NASCAR approach to infractions. Tell the corporate sponsors that I'll pay attention to the olympic results only after the competition has been declared clean by an independent entity. There is a big cloud over Paris.
Did you watch the video? There weren't any records to release! All they had to do is state that she was never a patient at that clinic. By not doing so, they collaborated with the coverup.
@@briant1319no, that would also break medical secrecy. Because if they hand out info on who is not patients, they are essentially handing out info on who are patients, which is not legal.
@@generalen517 You could not be MORE wrong. So, a medical clinic denying a person is not one of their patients, which has nothing to do with medical records, means that everyone else in the world is their patient. Your comment is a perfect example of flawed logic and how important education is. A simple Google search could have saved you the embarrassment of showing the world you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@don7294 There is no embarrassment, lol. You care way too much of youtube comments. Patients have the right to privacy. That includes their medical records, but also their presence etc. Medical secrecy does not only pertain to medical records. If so, medical profesionals could just talk about their patients from memory, which is obviosly not legal. "Save yourself some embarrassment", and use your brain next time.
There’s no medical record tampering. There was no medical record. This is similar to HIPAA in the US; you can’t even share if the person was a patient unless the courts intervene. I give the clinic credit for being ethical.
I reckon the clinic told them there were no records but they felt like they couldn't trust that (understandable) so they took it further. I'd have done the same thing. Seeing they had surveillance footage of Cherono going to the clinic I wouldn't have trusted them either. He could have been paying them to keep quiet. As it turned out they were telling the truth, there really was no record.
They need to go after the managers. Those are the ones pushing the athletes into doping because they get a cut of their earnings. In most countries, doping isn't a criminal offense, it's merely against WADA rules.
Some strange language choice at 3:37: I hear "collaborate (his) story" when I think "corroborate (his) story" is meant. It can't be accidental because it happens again at 5:38.
Did they test the guy running right with him “Debela”? Watch the video. That guy looks huge, how could someone that big be throwing down that type of marathon time?
The most obvious example. everyone on NOP ran massive PBs after joining, and no one has run a PB since. No failed drug tests either.. they simply knew how to beat the tests.. they knew what the limits of which substances were before a positive test would follow. They aren’t the only ones with this knowledge. I believe groups like this exist all over the world with the intention of winning by any means necessary.
7:30 Kenya has brought us so many unbelievable athletes ... Nicely delivered. Since we are now in times where unbelievable world records are broken in the dozen I stopped believing anything.
Don’t live in denial, understand people will do anything for money. People at the local level cheat for bragging rights. Don’t really think there is clean racing with $$ involved
It will be interesting to see how the Enhanced Games change all this...and more importantly, how they will impact the Olympics if they manage to make the games a success. Given the massive waste that goes into a host city putting on the Olympics (all those buildings/colosseums/venues), along with the extraordinary measures so many Olympians, especially in track and field go to just to avoid being caught and subsequently discredited, the concept of these games will be some kind of an experiment.
You think it'll actually happen? They keep delaying, don't have a venue or any real organization.... I mean, why wouldn't a sporting event supposedly of the same scope and prominence as the Olympics not also require the same infrastructure?
@@glenm99 Watch the interview they did with Joe Rogan a few weeks ago and they explain their plan. It makes a lot of sense and they do a good job of adapting to the way we as consumers/fans watch sports and seek out entertainment. They don't need to have track and field in the same city as swimming. They can use existing venues and livestream.
@@American_Enigma I can not stand Joe Rogan, so I'll pass, but you have described a much smaller event that will in no way compete with the Olympics. Streaming is not a substitute for live audiences. You call venue setup "waste," but it's fundamental to setting up for large numbers of visitors. Half the excitement of the Olympics is the grander spectacle, people coming from all over to meet. (Though considering that no one would accept any records set at a pro-drug event, maybe large crowds wouldn't ever be a problem....) But my question was about organization. Even with the supposedly simpler setup, they still haven't organized anything after years of hype. They keep missing their announced timelines. Does that fill you with confidence? Is organizing a large sporting event maybe more complicated than they think?
Enhanced games will never happen. If you're a legit athlete (or pretending to be one), you'd just ruin your career on a stupid stunt. So what, you have some mediocre athletes competing who probably can't even perform as well as the clean athletes despite openly using steroids? No one wants to watch that.
I always laugh so hard when these videos come out, because you ALWAYS find several idiots in the comments talking about how THEIR favorite #1 athlete is totally natty. Hint. They're not. EVERYBODY at the top level is on PED's.
FACTS! People are naive to not understand this. I'm British-Jamaican, I love Bolt but how can all the other finalists from 2012 etc ALL be on juice but he's not, Yet is significantly faster than all of them? Doping is standard procedure at the top in ALL sports.
@kovy689 I'd be very surprised if anyone clean hit the Olympic standard for the marathon. There will be clean athletes on the line but they'll be from nations with no qualifiers. They simply let every country throw anyone into the marathon, even if they run a 3hr marathon
Sadly this is becoming more and more common. So bans of this magnitude hopefully deter others in the future. The reality is, anyone making quick gains or appearing out of nowhere is going to raise questions. Because everyone in these comments knows, running is a long game. And gains don't come easily.
Meanwhile cycling is seeing EPO era breaking records. It will be interesting to see if running/cycling currently have similar "diets"/"training" going on.
In most countries health privacy laws make it illegal for a medical practice to disclose any patient details directly with a third party, or even confirm they are a patient without being ordered to do so by a court. The medical practice weren’t doing anything nefarious, and couldn’t say anything even if they wanted to without breaking the law.
@@itgamingkethey should build more outside nairobi and major towns and work in harmony, since the work of regulation is no longer practical with many races abroad.
@@rmlgaming2091 Crime, human faeces on the streets, needles on the streets, major chains all vanishing. There's some reasons why. Homeless camps. It's a horrendous place to live.
Regardless of Cherono's wife not being a patient at the clinic, to me they were right in not giving information without a formal legal request. Cherono (and as he claimed his wife) are not the only patients, so standards need to be set for ALL patients. I'm wondering why it took so long for AIU to file that lawsuit. What was their reason? As far s the punishment, deserving.
Not the same at all. He tested positive for a different substance altogether (trenbolone, a growth hormone used in the meat industry), he cooperated with them at every point, he didn't lie about anything, and it was conclusively proved the contamination really did come from the meat. Other samples of the meat from the same source also tested positive. It was a takeaway restaurant so it's not like he planned it. Maybe a tad careless on his part, but not deliberate. Totally different situation.
Man it's like Africa is the new center of athletic doping after Russia/Eastern bloc nations got blown up for it. Anyone who gets caught doping should get a huge ban just like this one, at this point we've committed to clean athletics so every single athlete MUST be totally clean.
@kovy689 What if the vast majority of athletes dope, even the greats, and it's just a matter of who they choose to out? Never mind. That sounds 🤪 crazy.
Yeah, but that is where the problem lies. As noted, you would think that his wife would want to get him cleared, and she could authorize the release of that information only (didn't need to be her complete medical records, only to confirm that she was given that prescription). In the end, though, the problem was that the clinic did not have her medical records at all, because she was never a patient there. Therefore, there were no records for her to consent to release. When you realize that, it actually makes sense why the clinic didn't play ball. They can't even say she was not a patient there without her permission. So the only thing she could consent to would be that it was all a lie. So she didn't.
The marathon times are no longer believable… which is why I am no longer a fan. It’s a shame, since I was a road runner for 36 years. Now, I’m ashamed of my former sport.
Honestly I view long distance running the same as cycling. Both sports incredibly dirty with doping. It's the Lance Armstrong lesson. If you're at the top of a dirty sport, it's more than likely some type of performance enhancement is going on.
All or almost all of world class runners are doping. So many people fall for the BS these athletes spit out: “My faith in God helped me”, “No hormone is limited”, “Running is 99% mental”, etc… etc… But I don’t blame elite runners for doping. They have to do it to be competitive. I’d do the same if I was an elite runner.
You meant corroborate, not collaborate. HIPPA regulations and medical ethics going back to Hippocrates prohibit disclosing anybody's medical information without his/her consent.
Likely scenario: He's done. He'll be 44 in 2032. Possible scenario (small chance for him, though): He serves out his suspension and comes back; but it may require that he _never_ stops training. Look at Kenenisa Bekele, who at _41_ made the Ethiopian Olympic marathon team, after running _two_ 2:04 marathons in his 40s (he is now the masters' WR holder by far), one of which came this past April in London.
Kipchoge is safe, he's the marathon 🐐 and face of Nike Vaporfly. He's not quite in the untouchable category of; Carl Lewis; Usain Bolt, or Mo Farrah, but he'll be fine so long as he doesn't rock the boat, a la Lance Armstrong,
People say "Everyone is doing it" but why do only some people get caught? Are they just good at hiding it? I wonder if the best athletes (like Kipchoge) don't cheat because they're naturally the best (or close to it) and have the most to lose in terms of brand deals, reputation, etc. It's the people who are consistently in 15th place that have the most to win and the least to lose that are tempted to cheat.
Some athletes are better supported when evading drug tests. This can mean knowing "safe" drug that are cleared fast, or in some countries it's straight up corruption at the national level.
@@phlemrazzes7704 Thanks for the answer... but if there are safe drugs, wouldn't everyone take them? If national corruption is a factor, why is Kipchoge in the clear while other high-caliber Kenyans are getting busted?
@@kevin_zych Yes most athletes probably take the safe drugs (as in hard to detect) if it's not hard to procure them and they are known. Oral steroid is probably an example of prevalent drug. Some drugs are less known, information about these drugs can be obscure (we're not talking about medically approved treatments here) and some people even experiment with drugs no one tests. Also, champions will have better resources to evade drug tests, but there are probably many future "Kipchoge" who never realized their potential because they got caught before.
@@kevin_zychDoping tests aren't perfect. Some drugs clear the system in hour or just can't be detected. Doping has been a part of any Major sport since the 70s.
As someone who was 'late' in athletics, then found I had some natural talent in running a bit faster/longer and doing a bit better, all this 'cheating' stuff really just invokes a weird feeling. I didn't know anything about 'running shoes' and was training in tougher shoes, which made me even better. It just confirms to me that 'people are low IQ' and really they 'try to pose' way too much. Why even bother? Just go natural and go for it. If you suck then you suck. It feels like a unique, hard to describe feeling, that some people are always trying to edge up their shoes or drug, or cheat in some way. Also it's even more unnatural than ever, but it isn't like the modern west, if it has a eugenics program, has succeeded, I'd argue that such a program 'has failed'. Even to this day it is 'rare' but you can find randoms who have better fitness than your olympians out of the blue and they end up joniing and becoming like #2 or #1 right away lmao. People just don't seem to think it's possible yet I think natural skill and not cheating should still be on display, for those who want to show it.. unfortunately, the cheater and poser and genetic pool, has been only increasing toward that inclination of belief that they should cheat everyone else without caring, even when they are clearly someone who aren't close to winning anything that's important.. and it clearly doesn't "actually" show who is best or had the best traits, I'd argue, not even close. Ironically cheaters and their greed ruin just about everything in every context and the only group close to fixing that problem (Nazis) are lied about to a huge extent.
I highly doubt hes the only Kenyan doping. He was just unfortunately caught. In the sport of endurance, i think youd be surprised how many athletes are doping
@@Austizo54 sure. They have to make sure to stay within the legal limit. Doesn't always work for various reasons I guess. And even a good number of hobby athletes uses whatever they think it could help.
But it‘s nice to see that the efforts put into controlling Kenyas doping issue has real effects. Maybe in a few years Kenya will actually be a clean running nation again.
Making the national team in Kenya has become as cutthroat as making it to the medal podium is for most other countries. There are so many, _in their own country, who are good enough to win, against the rest of the world, that they try to outdo one another. And you know what that means... ...Yeah; the temptation to get dirty creeps in. Even in Kenya. 😕
nothing. and this guy does such a poor job explaining these nuances and seems like he just puts words together that are in sum equal to the length of video clips he has assembled.
But it turned out the clinic did not even have any records. The wife had never been there. It's hard to understand why they wouldn't just say that unless Cherono was providing them incentive to keep quiet. Perhaps they did provide that information but weren't believed? They had evidence Cherono himself had been there. It's very fishy.
@@omarholder9036 Part of getting caught comes from the differences in sprinter drug cycles vs distance runner drug cycles. America isn’t very dominant in the distance world. The sprinters are sticking to the household drugs like testosterone, DHT, and Nandrolone derivatives. Meanwhile the distance runners are taking more exotic drugs than that you’ve never heard of. Basically the way Wada structures their tests makes it much more lenient towards Sprinters who take more traditional anabolic steroids. Many of the exotic drugs and drug metabolites distance runners take are completely synthetic making them easy to detect. The only exception really is EPO; the holy grail of distance runner drug use.
Putting each country in charge of monitoring it's athlete's doping is like putting the drug cartels in charge of the DEA.
Or the southern border, which already happened
@@CoelhoSports😂😂 do you think the border is just having problems pea brain 🧠?! 😂 this has always been a problem the politicians just like using it as a tool to be elected.
Kind of but also not? This is a hit to the credibility of Kenya as a whole, an 'if they didn't catch Cherono who else might they not have caught, intentionally or not' at best and if the rabbit hole goes deeper, not being allowed to represent your country in the case of Russia at worst. Countries would really rather not go through all this, they have a vested interest in making sure their athletes aren't doping
@@oxey_ like the chinese women's swim team, who all took the same stuff "by accident" yet are all going to the olympics?
@@CoelhoSports Exactly yeah, they lose a lot of credibility abroad as well. There's lots of coverage on it right now and even if they test clean at the olympics, there's not going to be a lot of trust in a Chinese winner, and that might even hit the NOC NSF as well _even_ if they followed all normal procedures
Kenya anti doping team this year has ramped up on testing the athletes and letting them know which drugs they can take and the ones they cannot . Though this Cherono one is fishy ofc ,he knew what he was doing together with his partner
They all know what they can take. They just take risks to get an additional edge over their fellow users. That's also how US athletes wind up testing positive
Just like the Russia and Chinese ramp up their testing
This is now getting out of hand. Smth needs to be done or else these few bad apples emerging will put the whole lot of genuine althetes in a mess.
@@CyrusCygwinid suggest we stop testing. Worked back in the 80s and 90s.
What we don't know can't hurt us.
Wow, what a shock it is to find out that these athletes who are sprinting through marathons in just over two hours aren’t clean. I thought it was just shoe technology and new secret training techniques.
/s
Same I just thought that these athletes just eat clen, tren hard and anavar give up. If they follow this and are dedicated they can make it to the olymPEDS
Yes, and we thought it’s in their genes and they grew up running to school and all that. How disappointing.
Marginal gains. Trust me bro
Very funny 😂😂😂
“KeNyA dOeSnT hAvE a DoPiNg IsSuE!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Проблем с допингом нет только в США, Великобритании и Норвегии Эти страны вне подозрений, как жена Цезаря
@@ЭдгарГольцовhow? Coleman got banned, gatlin, tyson gay, bailey, rodgers
@@ЭдгарГольцов lool and thats why its russia thats banned from the olympics right
@@ЭдгарГольцовeveryone that's fast is doping. It doesn't matter where they come from
@@MrLegendra России запретили выступать на ОИ уже после того как обрушились санкции, а они обрушились после того, как Россия обошла США по золотым медалям на чемпионате мира 2013, на Кению после того как она обошла США по золоту на чемпионате мира 2015. Таковы неумолимые факты. Шутить не могите с князьями!
Trimetazidine is actually a very popular drug used apparently in other sports to dope such as swimming and figure skating. People call it the new Meldonium. So yeah, this was very intentional doping.
Yeah like that young Russian female skater who claimed she accidentally took her granddad’s heart medicine. Hmmm sure you did
And the Chinese swim team
Thinking there's a single athlete at the top that's not on doping, is just straight up delusional
I think Faith is pretty clean. She had a baby between Olympic golds.
@@FrankOBrien-ti7ny and? What would make you think she can't have a baby regardless?
You’re Faded AF lmao
They think that grant fisher is running 26.40s without any juice that's delusional
@@vishaldubey5699You're only on juice if you broke the WR or OR
3:38 Hey man, I didn’t know how common this is mistake is made, until Google opened my eyes. The wife’s medical records would CORROBORATE the athletes story, & not collaborate her part of the story.
This is the same substance that was involved in the case of the 14 Chinese swimmers. They go because they claimed that they found the substance in the hotel kitchen 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
They did find it in the hotel kitchen. The coach helpfully put it there for them to take so they wouldn’t have to carry it in their luggage through customs.
Sometimes I think EVERYONE is doping...
Everyone in the Olympics is
Top level marathoning is a doping freak show
They 100% are.
They are
At the highest level of every sport, everyone is doping
There are labs that are making custom drugs for every specific athlete, that will enhance their performance as much as they can to the limit where they can pass dope tests without raising suspicions
It's a 7 year ban that started with the provisional ban 2 years ago, so he'll be 40, not 42, but it's the end of his elite class career. Maybe he could come back as a boosted masters runner.
Love all your content, the marathon stuff especially! Thank you TRP
Okay, he was caught beyond a reasonable doubt. Did he forfeit ill-gotten prize money or otherwise assure that others got their due regard? Athletics can do better than take the NASCAR approach to infractions. Tell the corporate sponsors that I'll pay attention to the olympic results only after the competition has been declared clean by an independent entity. There is a big cloud over Paris.
And many sports, especially cycling, but the controversy does not deter spectators
why is there a cloud over Paris??? Athletes have always doped. i think it is getting better because there is a reduction in state sponsored doping.
@@tonyeekiyor6020Gonna lotsa people poppin on the pee test. 😮
I am just happy its not Kipchoge lol
😂real
bros eyes where an unhealthy shade of yellow more than once, i doubt he isnt juicing.
Kipchoge is one of few athletes who is 100% clean and that makes him the GOAT.
@@SouravJangid140
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Huh.
@@SouravJangid140
In the United States, the clinic would be breaking the law if they released the wife’s medical records.
Did you watch the video? There weren't any records to release! All they had to do is state that she was never a patient at that clinic. By not doing so, they collaborated with the coverup.
Not, if it gets subpoena.
@@briant1319no, that would also break medical secrecy. Because if they hand out info on who is not patients, they are essentially handing out info on who are patients, which is not legal.
@@generalen517 You could not be MORE wrong. So, a medical clinic denying a person is not one of their patients, which has nothing to do with medical records, means that everyone else in the world is their patient. Your comment is a perfect example of flawed logic and how important education is. A simple Google search could have saved you the embarrassment of showing the world you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@don7294 There is no embarrassment, lol. You care way too much of youtube comments.
Patients have the right to privacy. That includes their medical records, but also their presence etc. Medical secrecy does not only pertain to medical records. If so, medical profesionals could just talk about their patients from memory, which is obviosly not legal. "Save yourself some embarrassment", and use your brain next time.
There’s no medical record tampering. There was no medical record. This is similar to HIPAA in the US; you can’t even share if the person was a patient unless the courts intervene. I give the clinic credit for being ethical.
His wife signed a release according to the report
I reckon the clinic told them there were no records but they felt like they couldn't trust that (understandable) so they took it further.
I'd have done the same thing. Seeing they had surveillance footage of Cherono going to the clinic I wouldn't have trusted them either. He could have been paying them to keep quiet. As it turned out they were telling the truth, there really was no record.
except it's ok in the US to demand vax status and go around asking people....right, where was HIPAA the past 4 years?
They need to go after these doctors and this clinic.
They have. It’s Nike appointed doctors. They just find new corrupt doctors.
They need to go after the managers. Those are the ones pushing the athletes into doping because they get a cut of their earnings. In most countries, doping isn't a criminal offense, it's merely against WADA rules.
That is the exact same drug that the Chinese swim team has just been caught taking...
@@scottconnelly6667 And that’s probably who’s hooking up the Kenyans..
@@darthsilversith667i heard that a Spanish clinic was hooking athletes up
@@aredditor4272 That wouldn’t surprise me either
@@darthsilversith667 these drugs are everywhere. They don't need to get it from the same source in China
This is a very old drug. No idea why people are pointing at China😂
Anything less than a lifetime ban for this is pretty gracious
Everybody is on jucie my friend. Dont be a rose flower.
“It’s gotta be the shoe”s - Spike Lee
really hate to see it
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural…
@@kovy689exactly
^ None of these athletes even remember what it's like to be natural
@@DAMfoxygrampa Of course not, they’ve been juicing for so long.
Some strange language choice at 3:37: I hear "collaborate (his) story" when I think "corroborate (his) story" is meant. It can't be accidental because it happens again at 5:38.
You are correct
Yeah, it was bugging me, but I wasn't going to comment, but since there is already one, I feel okay replying.
It’s an athletics channel not an English lesson. Try reading your own response Professor Pedant - “It can’t accidental” isn’t exactly great language…
@@luke3055 Damn he made a grammar mistake. Better disregard what he said, maybe we can re-write the dictionary together.
Did they test the guy running right with him “Debela”? Watch the video. That guy looks huge, how could someone that big be throwing down that type of marathon time?
"no legs to stand on"😅 Good reporting!
Ah, the french bots, warzone bots, AND generic "great content" bots. Truly the epitome of RUclips commenting.
At the end of the day they all thotbots anyways, hoping someone will see the ass on the tiny profile picture and get interested
French?
super commentaire !
Gret comment!
Look into Alberto Salazar's athletes...
The most obvious example. everyone on NOP ran massive PBs after joining, and no one has run a PB since. No failed drug tests either.. they simply knew how to beat the tests.. they knew what the limits of which substances were before a positive test would follow. They aren’t the only ones with this knowledge. I believe groups like this exist all over the world with the intention of winning by any means necessary.
His previous records and awards need to be rescinded. And sponsors should consider civil suits.
7:30 Kenya has brought us so many unbelievable athletes ...
Nicely delivered.
Since we are now in times where unbelievable world records are broken in the dozen I stopped believing anything.
Bro these bots needa chill.
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Fr. Like people don't need that junk in their life. Stay strong with God.
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Reporting does nothing. I've given up wasting my effort on them.
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Don’t live in denial, understand people will do anything for money. People at the local level cheat for bragging rights. Don’t really think there is clean racing with $$ involved
Local can't afford cheating,to tamper with medical files you need money basically bribe the clinic
It will be interesting to see how the Enhanced Games change all this...and more importantly, how they will impact the Olympics if they manage to make the games a success. Given the massive waste that goes into a host city putting on the Olympics (all those buildings/colosseums/venues), along with the extraordinary measures so many Olympians, especially in track and field go to just to avoid being caught and subsequently discredited, the concept of these games will be some kind of an experiment.
You think it'll actually happen? They keep delaying, don't have a venue or any real organization.... I mean, why wouldn't a sporting event supposedly of the same scope and prominence as the Olympics not also require the same infrastructure?
@@glenm99 Watch the interview they did with Joe Rogan a few weeks ago and they explain their plan. It makes a lot of sense and they do a good job of adapting to the way we as consumers/fans watch sports and seek out entertainment. They don't need to have track and field in the same city as swimming. They can use existing venues and livestream.
@@American_Enigma I can not stand Joe Rogan, so I'll pass, but you have described a much smaller event that will in no way compete with the Olympics. Streaming is not a substitute for live audiences. You call venue setup "waste," but it's fundamental to setting up for large numbers of visitors. Half the excitement of the Olympics is the grander spectacle, people coming from all over to meet. (Though considering that no one would accept any records set at a pro-drug event, maybe large crowds wouldn't ever be a problem....)
But my question was about organization. Even with the supposedly simpler setup, they still haven't organized anything after years of hype. They keep missing their announced timelines. Does that fill you with confidence? Is organizing a large sporting event maybe more complicated than they think?
Enhanced games will never happen. If you're a legit athlete (or pretending to be one), you'd just ruin your career on a stupid stunt. So what, you have some mediocre athletes competing who probably can't even perform as well as the clean athletes despite openly using steroids? No one wants to watch that.
I always laugh so hard when these videos come out, because you ALWAYS find several idiots in the comments talking about how THEIR favorite #1 athlete is totally natty. Hint. They're not. EVERYBODY at the top level is on PED's.
but try to convince the average person of that fact and youre treated like an conspiracy theorist^^
@@bergbilch very true. Athletics isn't a clean sport, now matter how they want to dress it up. It never has been and never will be, sadly.
same idiots who thought Lance Amrstrong was clean 🤣
@kimlaw7862 B...b..but Bolt is natty hah. He totally beat Gatlin and Gay. Both high level sprinters who were confirmed on PEDS. I can't with people.
FACTS! People are naive to not understand this. I'm British-Jamaican, I love Bolt but how can all the other finalists from 2012 etc ALL be on juice but he's not, Yet is significantly faster than all of them? Doping is standard procedure at the top in ALL sports.
My wife gave me blue tablet, she said it was Advil.
Let’s just say he collected $250K in prize and appearance fees. This was well worth it to him!!
they have to return the money if caught for doping
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural…
People are but they aren’t winning any championships.
@@biguzivert 100%
@@biguzivert Possibly.
A few may exist, but will get trounced on by juiced athletes.
Connor mantz and Clayton young are clean 100%. They're mormons. Their morals are too high to cheat.
@kovy689 I'd be very surprised if anyone clean hit the Olympic standard for the marathon. There will be clean athletes on the line but they'll be from nations with no qualifiers. They simply let every country throw anyone into the marathon, even if they run a 3hr marathon
Sadly this is becoming more and more common. So bans of this magnitude hopefully deter others in the future. The reality is, anyone making quick gains or appearing out of nowhere is going to raise questions. Because everyone in these comments knows, running is a long game. And gains don't come easily.
Meanwhile cycling is seeing EPO era breaking records. It will be interesting to see if running/cycling currently have similar "diets"/"training" going on.
In most countries health privacy laws make it illegal for a medical practice to disclose any patient details directly with a third party, or even confirm they are a patient without being ordered to do so by a court. The medical practice weren’t doing anything nefarious, and couldn’t say anything even if they wanted to without breaking the law.
At what point does a substance become unethical? Better diet, certain food or supplement versus a drug
great content!
If you ever caught, you should be banned completly for ever competing again. No second chance.
3:35 Corroborate! Not collaborate. Jeez they mean 2 totally different things
At this point, im not even surprised anymore
Its beyond me how people ever thought that you can perform these sort of athletic feats without some Peds…
None of them are clean.
Today Kenya is one of the countries that uses the most banned substances in the world!
That's why they decided to setup an official clinic in Nairobi to test the athletes. Check the articles on it
Ok? Let's not act like Kenya is the only country with doping issues
Not as bad as Russia
@@itgamingkethey should build more outside nairobi and major towns and work in harmony, since the work of regulation is no longer practical with many races abroad.
2028 Los Angeles? Is there a petition somewhere to move it elsewhere?
Why?
@@rmlgaming2091 Crime, human faeces on the streets, needles on the streets, major chains all vanishing. There's some reasons why. Homeless camps. It's a horrendous place to live.
Regardless of Cherono's wife not being a patient at the clinic, to me they were right in not giving information without a formal legal request. Cherono (and as he claimed his wife) are not the only patients, so standards need to be set for ALL patients. I'm wondering why it took so long for AIU to file that lawsuit. What was their reason? As far s the punishment, deserving.
Classic Kenya.
WADA should do a similar ruling to what they did with Russia.
Lol and Knighton get’s a handshake for the same doping 😂😂😂
Not the same at all. He tested positive for a different substance altogether (trenbolone, a growth hormone used in the meat industry), he cooperated with them at every point, he didn't lie about anything, and it was conclusively proved the contamination really did come from the meat. Other samples of the meat from the same source also tested positive. It was a takeaway restaurant so it's not like he planned it. Maybe a tad careless on his part, but not deliberate. Totally different situation.
@woopimagpie don't care for the paragraph he was doping and got away with it because hes a protected American
Man it's like Africa is the new center of athletic doping after Russia/Eastern bloc nations got blown up for it. Anyone who gets caught doping should get a huge ban just like this one, at this point we've committed to clean athletics so every single athlete MUST be totally clean.
New, more rigid testing regime implemented in Kenya so more cheaters being caught.
So the Chinese swim team gets a free pass after testing positive ? They couldn't lie fast enough in blaming some restaurant.
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural.
Totally clean is virtually impossible. At this level you have to take something
@kovy689 What if the vast majority of athletes dope, even the greats, and it's just a matter of who they choose to out? Never mind. That sounds 🤪 crazy.
It is a HIPAA violation for the clinic to release medical records without the consent of the patient.
Yeah, but that is where the problem lies. As noted, you would think that his wife would want to get him cleared, and she could authorize the release of that information only (didn't need to be her complete medical records, only to confirm that she was given that prescription). In the end, though, the problem was that the clinic did not have her medical records at all, because she was never a patient there. Therefore, there were no records for her to consent to release. When you realize that, it actually makes sense why the clinic didn't play ball. They can't even say she was not a patient there without her permission. So the only thing she could consent to would be that it was all a lie. So she didn't.
8:14 nice touch 🤣
The marathon times are no longer believable… which is why I am no longer a fan. It’s a shame, since I was a road runner for 36 years. Now, I’m ashamed of my former sport.
B-but it's all down to shoe technology, altitude training, and nutrition.
@@petewest3122 those do play a part but the fact that the top athletes are juicing gives them more of an advantage
I wonder how HIPPA would impact this if it were to happen to a US athlete
Helps explain African dominance. It was great fiction though, how the young natives ran back and forth to school or between villages barefoot.
Honestly I view long distance running the same as cycling. Both sports incredibly dirty with doping.
It's the Lance Armstrong lesson. If you're at the top of a dirty sport, it's more than likely some type of performance enhancement is going on.
Oh My Cherono!
They're all cheating. Just stop testing and let the best freak win.
Hehehehehe. That's funny.
😂
I use to watch the Tour de France every year but doping just destroyed my enjoyment of the sport. Track also is getting to that point for me. 😔
Looking forward to a video on the injury of Sherika Jackson. What are your thoughts? And how do you think this affects her going into the Olympics
All or almost all of world class runners are doping.
So many people fall for the BS these athletes spit out: “My faith in God helped me”, “No hormone is limited”, “Running is 99% mental”, etc… etc…
But I don’t blame elite runners for doping. They have to do it to be competitive. I’d do the same if I was an elite runner.
You meant corroborate, not collaborate. HIPPA regulations and medical ethics going back to Hippocrates prohibit disclosing anybody's medical information without his/her consent.
Likely scenario: He's done. He'll be 44 in 2032.
Possible scenario (small chance for him, though): He serves out his suspension and comes back; but it may require that he _never_ stops training. Look at Kenenisa Bekele, who at _41_ made the Ethiopian Olympic marathon team, after running _two_ 2:04 marathons in his 40s (he is now the masters' WR holder by far), one of which came this past April in London.
How will ever be able to find someone to deliver a message 26.2 miles away?
1:03 That guy out front is rollin'. How is that legal?
he is parathlete
He rolls under the radar :D
.. ... :D
.. no?
Okay, I see myself out.
Kipchoge is next, I love him but there’s no way he’s natural
Kipchoge is safe, he's the marathon 🐐 and face of Nike Vaporfly. He's not quite in the untouchable category of; Carl Lewis; Usain Bolt, or Mo Farrah, but he'll be fine so long as he doesn't rock the boat, a la Lance Armstrong,
Collaborate or corroborate?
Maybe he can run Badwater or Barkley now.
Why take a year to get a warrant?!
Its not fair to have Kipchoki's face as the cover of your video. I wonder why you felt the need to include other athletes in this video.
This is the issue with money from running, if there's none then there's no prize but if there's a lot there will be a lot of cheating
Dude it ain't cheating if everyone is doing it.
@@evannatland5151therefore his comment
@@evannatland5151facts 😂
People take PEDs just to break Strava records....
but we also need money for these athletes to afford to compete and live
People say "Everyone is doing it" but why do only some people get caught? Are they just good at hiding it? I wonder if the best athletes (like Kipchoge) don't cheat because they're naturally the best (or close to it) and have the most to lose in terms of brand deals, reputation, etc. It's the people who are consistently in 15th place that have the most to win and the least to lose that are tempted to cheat.
I genuinely love Kipchoge but there’s basically no chance that he’s 100% clean. Same with Bolt. It’s the nature of it unfortunately
Some athletes are better supported when evading drug tests. This can mean knowing "safe" drug that are cleared fast, or in some countries it's straight up corruption at the national level.
@@phlemrazzes7704 Thanks for the answer... but if there are safe drugs, wouldn't everyone take them? If national corruption is a factor, why is Kipchoge in the clear while other high-caliber Kenyans are getting busted?
@@kevin_zych Yes most athletes probably take the safe drugs (as in hard to detect) if it's not hard to procure them and they are known. Oral steroid is probably an example of prevalent drug. Some drugs are less known, information about these drugs can be obscure (we're not talking about medically approved treatments here) and some people even experiment with drugs no one tests.
Also, champions will have better resources to evade drug tests, but there are probably many future "Kipchoge" who never realized their potential because they got caught before.
@@kevin_zychDoping tests aren't perfect. Some drugs clear the system in hour or just can't be detected. Doping has been a part of any Major sport since the 70s.
Makes one suspicious of all the great Kenyan runners.
Anyone caught doping on purpose should be banned for life end of story.
Most top athletes are most likely doping
His wife never got the medication? Oh my I'm so surprised, I didn't see that coming at all.
Does this also taint Kipchoge's records and career?
As someone who was 'late' in athletics, then found I had some natural talent in running a bit faster/longer and doing a bit better, all this 'cheating' stuff really just invokes a weird feeling. I didn't know anything about 'running shoes' and was training in tougher shoes, which made me even better. It just confirms to me that 'people are low IQ' and really they 'try to pose' way too much. Why even bother? Just go natural and go for it. If you suck then you suck. It feels like a unique, hard to describe feeling, that some people are always trying to edge up their shoes or drug, or cheat in some way. Also it's even more unnatural than ever, but it isn't like the modern west, if it has a eugenics program, has succeeded, I'd argue that such a program 'has failed'. Even to this day it is 'rare' but you can find randoms who have better fitness than your olympians out of the blue and they end up joniing and becoming like #2 or #1 right away lmao. People just don't seem to think it's possible yet I think natural skill and not cheating should still be on display, for those who want to show it.. unfortunately, the cheater and poser and genetic pool, has been only increasing toward that inclination of belief that they should cheat everyone else without caring, even when they are clearly someone who aren't close to winning anything that's important.. and it clearly doesn't "actually" show who is best or had the best traits, I'd argue, not even close. Ironically cheaters and their greed ruin just about everything in every context and the only group close to fixing that problem (Nazis) are lied about to a huge extent.
I highly doubt hes the only Kenyan doping. He was just unfortunately caught.
In the sport of endurance, i think youd be surprised how many athletes are doping
I always thought it's the supershoes that makes them fast. 😁
@@jimmybondy9450 Every top level athlete is juicing at some capacity. The shoes just give them more of an advantage
@@Austizo54 sure. They have to make sure to stay within the legal limit. Doesn't always work for various reasons I guess.
And even a good number of hobby athletes uses whatever they think it could help.
The enhanced games will have the same numbers as the Olympics
Whatever happened to patient confidentiality?
Corroborating
But it‘s nice to see that the efforts put into controlling Kenyas doping issue has real effects. Maybe in a few years Kenya will actually be a clean running nation again.
I Always wonder what happened to Kelvin Kiptum & what he could become...
Also was on juice probably.. Unfortunately
Making the national team in Kenya has become as cutthroat as making it to the medal podium is for most other countries. There are so many, _in their own country, who are good enough to win, against the rest of the world, that they try to outdo one another. And you know what that means...
...Yeah; the temptation to get dirty creeps in. Even in Kenya. 😕
Bro I love your content, but please do not use my footage without authorization. I do not allow “fair use”.
After reading the report, it becomes clear that the whole affair is even WORSE than the video indicates!
I am surprised.
Meanwhile six Chinese swimmers from got caught doping and they weren’t even fined due to it randomly getting in their food 🙄😒
6 figure marathon checks to runners from 3rd World Countries. What could possibly go wrong?
I'd also be surprised if anyone's natural
What about the European and Oceania athletes who just magically set massive PRs this year?
Srill waiting to hear. I know a French marathoner was suspended for whereabouts failures recently
TMZ 🇨🇳
Oceanic nations uphold too high of a standard to allow doping sorry
@@dudemanismadcool horrible reasoning bro
You think the European testing is worse than the African? All the medication and the testing was all invented in Europe.
Excessive ban... notorious athletes like Gatlin got off easy
He had the chance to continue competing and now no running job!!! Got to get a job for sure!!! Sad!!!
Not sure about Kiptum btw
Drugs are bad
People are actually surprised it’s common knowledge to know most athletes are doping
What is the difference between a ban and suspension?
nothing. and this guy does such a poor job explaining these nuances and seems like he just puts words together that are in sum equal to the length of video clips he has assembled.
Client confidentiality. They can not release his wife’s records. Need to be subpoenaed to obtain clients records without the clients authority.
But it turned out the clinic did not even have any records. The wife had never been there. It's hard to understand why they wouldn't just say that unless Cherono was providing them incentive to keep quiet. Perhaps they did provide that information but weren't believed? They had evidence Cherono himself had been there. It's very fishy.
I'm such a bad runner I got lapped in the marathon.
Kenya got "tendencies". Russia and China too.
28 positive tests (23 athletes) for TMZ at one swim meet in China before Tokyo
Ah yes..but yet America has almost 2000 more medals than any other country in Olympic history, but they aren't cheating too.
Dude fr
@@omarholder9036 The century of American excellence is a real thing. Seethe, brother, you just not as good.
@@omarholder9036 Part of getting caught comes from the differences in sprinter drug cycles vs distance runner drug cycles. America isn’t very dominant in the distance world. The sprinters are sticking to the household drugs like testosterone, DHT, and Nandrolone derivatives. Meanwhile the distance runners are taking more exotic drugs than that you’ve never heard of. Basically the way Wada structures their tests makes it much more lenient towards Sprinters who take more traditional anabolic steroids. Many of the exotic drugs and drug metabolites distance runners take are completely synthetic making them easy to detect. The only exception really is EPO; the holy grail of distance runner drug use.