The Dye Rotor is indeed built like a tank. It's also worth noting that the torque setting on the Dye Rotor can be adjusted, and it isn't difficult to get it dialed-in to where it consistently feeds, doesn't jam, and won't break balls (at least not your own, right?!). Adjusting the torque was the first thing I did to mine when I got it. Even after being adjusted, it'll still empty out stupid fast.
In around between 2000-2002 before I bought the Odyssey Halo B loader, I was using a Ricochet 2K loader that used the same sensor, and I honestly have to say that I never once had a problem with it feeding when I would run it dry and then reload, so I really can't imagine that this tab sensor is really going to be a problem. I'd say as long as it doesn't fall apart, it is probably a pretty decent loader for the price range.
I'm 90% certain the guy from Pinokio was the designer of the Ricochet hoppers. I can't remember where I read that, but it is a possibility. So the Speed is essentially a modern Ricochet.
Also, I remember reading that the tab sensor was a workaround for ViewLoader patents on the eye system. The patents are now expired and moot. But that is the reason for the design choice.
So I was actually a Pinnokio user back in 2009-10 or so, and we never had a problem with feeding paint, ever. It was consistent and flawless at 12.5. The big problem we had with them were brittle shells and feednecks snapping. The concerns you have at 2:06 just didn't happen to anyone on my team for two seasons. We did have 3-4 feednecks break though...
So interesting that this thing is almost functionally identical to the old Ricochet Rhino hoppers. I had one for years that was surprisingly solid despite never gaining much traction
Speed was my favorite hopper, so seeing an upgrade is awesome. I do hope the battery/board is upgraded though. My speed sometimes failed whenever the battery wasn't fresh. Great review, just bought one!
Yeah for sure. I did try the Hk sonic this week, with a weak battery, and it still seemed to feed very well. So I am hoping they fixed that issue with the new board.
I bought a Sonic recently and I'm really liking it so far. The weight is definitely a stand-out feature for me. It's even lighter with a 9V than my IR2 is with the N-charge, but feels solidly built despite that. Feeds very reliably too. I also feel I have a greater field of vision when playing due to the way the feed spout is situated more toward the center/rear of the shell (loader sits more forward than other designs). Only thing I don't like is the capacity. They claim 200 but I kinda doubt that as it seems like 150 round pod fills this thing nearly to the brim. Perhaps if you remove the spring ramp it would reach the advertised number.
I believe on this loader if you hit the power button twice quickly it will force the impeller to spin and fix the issue you were talking about with shooting the hopper empty and it not loading
Just started getting back in to paintball and man, your channel is fantastic! I noticed you haven't made as much content as before. I hope that was temporary!! Keep going, this channel is a gem. Just bought a DSR+ with the Pro kit, now I want the mecha because of you haha!
I used my gen 1 Rotor from the day I bought it new in 2009 up until 2019 or 2020, when I bought my first gen SpireIR. Now, with a BK speed feed, that is my go-to hopper. Then again, I usually play mechanical with a Gmek or Autococker, or use my Reflex Rail capped at 10bps. BUT, thank God for the Rotor and it's insane speed. I have an old blind Angel Speed, and a blind B2K4, and had a blind Impulse until I recently sold it. And I'm grateful that I can still get all nostalgic and use these old markers without worrying about chopping. On those markers, I ALWAYS use my Rotor, and performance is flawless.
Lol, I just got back in to playing - still had a Rotor 1 in the box! Works great. Someone gave me the inner piece that made it more reliable too for free, so that was a bonus!
If you are using a Automag RT with x-valve and level 10 bolt, and properly tuned trigger with ultra high output HPA tank you HAVE to use a force feed hopper like a Rotor LT-R.
I bought the speed. The lid snapped off the first day I had it, but the bigger problem I have with it is that the thing uses two 9v batteries. I don't want to buy $20 worth of batteries to power a $80 hopper. This is a bit better but I still don't get why HK hasn't just moved to rechargable batteries or even AA/AAAs like everyone else has.
I’ve honestly never had issue with the ctrl popping open. Not sure if they’ve changed the top shell or not over the course of the years but never had it break open on a dive.
Yeah me either and I was one of the early release preorder Guinea pigs with it. Had a wonky board when I first got it that they replaced but my shell has never come open on me.
I think the Valken v max plus is the most underrated hopper. Has eyes, 220 capacity, cheaper, high bps, and it works. I use it for a backup to my control and spire ir.
Do you think the 9v battery will run out quicker than other hoppers, given most others use more batteries? The Sonic seems to be the only hopper using a single 9v. I'm a bit confused why companies choose different battery configurations 1:9v, 2:9v, 3:AA, or 4:AA. I assume a force feed, or more complicated systems would require more batteries, however I noticed in your hopper chart that thought process doesn't necessarily seem to be in alignment. Your videos are the absolute best. Thanks for all your effort.
If I actually have time to play this season I might look into this. Still have my OG Pinocchio but usually lend it to kids or rental players with gravity feeds. Never had a problem with it ever but it's too big. I'm not really a big fan of the rotor I got to replace it as it tends to jam. I don't even see a difference in speed cause I'm usually playing woodsball
I had an issue with my sonic loader. Button would power loader on but I couldn’t get the damn thing to turn off at all. All button functions would spin mechanism!
When it comes to hoppers, I rock the Dye ltr for my E-mag. It has a top rate of 31.5 electric mode capped. And 16-24 in meck mode. I am planning to play next month at Capital Edge Paintball. Hope to see you out there 🙂.✌️out from this guy 👈😎👉.
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife 👍. When I play at Extreme Paintball field, so many players are in awe. I have no problem letting others give it a rip. I'm the only person at the field who's rocking Automags and Autocockers. And sometimes other old school markers. ✌️out
I’m 63 and have been playing since 1983 I don’t like being negative but I purchased one and I have to say it feeds great but it’s very thin plastic the first time I used it in a game the feed cover broke off and the body cracked it’s it’s very cheaply made save your money and get a rotor
Going back to the company said that it's hard to get guns to go 20 balls per 2nd or faster I heard that The company that made angel had a gun that you could easily get over that There are some videos on RUclips esposedly at 50 balls per 2nd Don't know if it's true but would be curious to see if that is an actual thing and if these newer hoppers could keep up to it
On your hopper weight chart, you don't show the Revvy. I've had mine 20yrs and still haven't found anything worth swapping it out for. Yes it averages 10bps, but with modern guns with eyes, its never been a problem. Would the Sonic or something else be much of an upgrade on an Autococker? I even use my Revvy on my pumps and apart from new shells every couple of years its been amazing.
Why in the F... would they not model the shell after their flagship hopper !? If this thing had the sleek low-profile shell like the TFX it would've been a home run.
Ya know what's funny, the past few years I've used a pinokio speed and loved it. Lately, I've been on a new "low profile" hopper kick and can't decide. This hopper probably isn't any bigger or taller than the rest, I'm just way over thinking it!
really enjoyed the video up until that stupid ass brick yelling part. i suffer with severe pstd and nerve damage and random yells/screams trigger a terrible reaction in me that often makes me extremely sick and suffer with migraines. please please please if your going to do this kind of stuff in your future videos please consider those who are sick or suffering with severe illness such as me and flash a simple audio warning in the corner or something a few seconds before it happens. normally a huge fan of your vids for there reliably calm style and of course i choose the one that has this in it... forgive my frustration but it genuinely does me serious harm and more and more youtuber keep inserting this type of garbage into there videos making me feel like i have less and less places to relax and escape...
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Such an underrated channel.
you can tell he truly cares and does this out of love. respect.
The Dye Rotor is indeed built like a tank. It's also worth noting that the torque setting on the Dye Rotor can be adjusted, and it isn't difficult to get it dialed-in to where it consistently feeds, doesn't jam, and won't break balls (at least not your own, right?!). Adjusting the torque was the first thing I did to mine when I got it. Even after being adjusted, it'll still empty out stupid fast.
Bingo. I'm still using my OG Rotor for everything. Everyone wants the lightest setup but I'm confident knowing how overbuilt everything is.
Love the channel!
In around between 2000-2002 before I bought the Odyssey Halo B loader, I was using a Ricochet 2K loader that used the same sensor, and I honestly have to say that I never once had a problem with it feeding when I would run it dry and then reload, so I really can't imagine that this tab sensor is really going to be a problem. I'd say as long as it doesn't fall apart, it is probably a pretty decent loader for the price range.
I'm 90% certain the guy from Pinokio was the designer of the Ricochet hoppers. I can't remember where I read that, but it is a possibility. So the Speed is essentially a modern Ricochet.
Also, I remember reading that the tab sensor was a workaround for ViewLoader patents on the eye system. The patents are now expired and moot. But that is the reason for the design choice.
rotors were made for the days when BPS was a huge selling point
I own a sonic for my emek, and I will say, it feels kinda cheep, but the feeding is amazing. For 100$, it’s the best hoppers
Very happy to see another posted video. I love binge watching your videos
So I was actually a Pinnokio user back in 2009-10 or so, and we never had a problem with feeding paint, ever. It was consistent and flawless at 12.5. The big problem we had with them were brittle shells and feednecks snapping. The concerns you have at 2:06 just didn't happen to anyone on my team for two seasons. We did have 3-4 feednecks break though...
So interesting that this thing is almost functionally identical to the old Ricochet Rhino hoppers. I had one for years that was surprisingly solid despite never gaining much traction
I LOVED my Apache
I've been waiting for this!!
Speed was my favorite hopper, so seeing an upgrade is awesome. I do hope the battery/board is upgraded though. My speed sometimes failed whenever the battery wasn't fresh.
Great review, just bought one!
After testing a Speed hopper I bought for my daughter, I found you definitely need fresh batteries
Yeah for sure. I did try the Hk sonic this week, with a weak battery, and it still seemed to feed very well. So I am hoping they fixed that issue with the new board.
When the rotor first came onto the scene, fell in love. Still using a Gen1 Rotor.
I bought a Sonic recently and I'm really liking it so far. The weight is definitely a stand-out feature for me. It's even lighter with a 9V than my IR2 is with the N-charge, but feels solidly built despite that. Feeds very reliably too. I also feel I have a greater field of vision when playing due to the way the feed spout is situated more toward the center/rear of the shell (loader sits more forward than other designs). Only thing I don't like is the capacity. They claim 200 but I kinda doubt that as it seems like 150 round pod fills this thing nearly to the brim. Perhaps if you remove the spring ramp it would reach the advertised number.
I believe on this loader if you hit the power button twice quickly it will force the impeller to spin and fix the issue you were talking about with shooting the hopper empty and it not loading
This channel is awesome, never giving bad tips!
Just started getting back in to paintball and man, your channel is fantastic! I noticed you haven't made as much content as before. I hope that was temporary!! Keep going, this channel is a gem. Just bought a DSR+ with the Pro kit, now I want the mecha because of you haha!
I used my gen 1 Rotor from the day I bought it new in 2009 up until 2019 or 2020, when I bought my first gen SpireIR. Now, with a BK speed feed, that is my go-to hopper. Then again, I usually play mechanical with a Gmek or Autococker, or use my Reflex Rail capped at 10bps.
BUT, thank God for the Rotor and it's insane speed. I have an old blind Angel Speed, and a blind B2K4, and had a blind Impulse until I recently sold it. And I'm grateful that I can still get all nostalgic and use these old markers without worrying about chopping. On those markers, I ALWAYS use my Rotor, and performance is flawless.
Lol, I just got back in to playing - still had a Rotor 1 in the box! Works great. Someone gave me the inner piece that made it more reliable too for free, so that was a bonus!
If you are using a Automag RT with x-valve and level 10 bolt, and properly tuned trigger with ultra high output HPA tank you HAVE to use a force feed hopper like a Rotor LT-R.
I bought the speed. The lid snapped off the first day I had it, but the bigger problem I have with it is that the thing uses two 9v batteries. I don't want to buy $20 worth of batteries to power a $80 hopper. This is a bit better but I still don't get why HK hasn't just moved to rechargable batteries or even AA/AAAs like everyone else has.
rechargeable is the way
Where’d you put the 2nd battery? Only takes one.
I’ve honestly never had issue with the ctrl popping open. Not sure if they’ve changed the top shell or not over the course of the years but never had it break open on a dive.
Yeah me either and I was one of the early release preorder Guinea pigs with it. Had a wonky board when I first got it that they replaced but my shell has never come open on me.
Love this channel love to see a new video pop up
I think the Valken v max plus is the most underrated hopper. Has eyes, 220 capacity, cheaper, high bps, and it works. I use it for a backup to my control and spire ir.
For sure, always liked the V-Max. Its biggest problem was Valken made it.
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife definitely, their v max plus is actually ok tho. The same guy that designed the VL egg was brought in to design it.
Do you think the 9v battery will run out quicker than other hoppers, given most others use more batteries? The Sonic seems to be the only hopper using a single 9v. I'm a bit confused why companies choose different battery configurations 1:9v, 2:9v, 3:AA, or 4:AA. I assume a force feed, or more complicated systems would require more batteries, however I noticed in your hopper chart that thought process doesn't necessarily seem to be in alignment. Your videos are the absolute best. Thanks for all your effort.
Yeaaaa more reviews!
I also take it you're watching The Last of Us?
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Dude you are the best I love your videos keep it up the best content.
That tab thing looks simmilar to the ricochet hopper.
If I actually have time to play this season I might look into this. Still have my OG Pinocchio but usually lend it to kids or rental players with gravity feeds. Never had a problem with it ever but it's too big. I'm not really a big fan of the rotor I got to replace it as it tends to jam. I don't even see a difference in speed cause I'm usually playing woodsball
I had an issue with my sonic loader. Button would power loader on but I couldn’t get the damn thing to turn off at all. All button functions would spin mechanism!
glad youre back
The not being able to shoot dry and gamble on having to turn on and off on your next shot is really annoying
When it comes to hoppers, I rock the Dye ltr for my E-mag. It has a top rate of 31.5 electric mode capped. And 16-24 in meck mode. I am planning to play next month at Capital Edge Paintball. Hope to see you out there 🙂.✌️out from this guy 👈😎👉.
If its not raining ill be there, I know a lot of people would love to see E-Mag.
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife 👍. When I play at Extreme Paintball field, so many players are in awe. I have no problem letting others give it a rip. I'm the only person at the field who's rocking Automags and Autocockers. And sometimes other old school markers. ✌️out
I’m 63 and have been playing since 1983 I don’t like being negative but I purchased one and I have to say it feeds great but it’s very thin plastic the first time I used it in a game the feed cover broke off and the body cracked it’s it’s very cheaply made save your money and get a rotor
2 videos within a month!?
Going back to the company said that it's hard to get guns to go 20 balls per 2nd or faster I heard that The company that made angel had a gun that you could easily get over that There are some videos on RUclips esposedly at 50 balls per 2nd Don't know if it's true but would be curious to see if that is an actual thing and if these newer hoppers could keep up to it
why isn’t there a comparison to the TFX 1, 2, or 3?
Sucks I had to cancel my triad pre order because they kept pushing the release date back. Thinking about this bad boy sonic
I’ve not used the Triad yet, but I do think the Sonic is a good choice.
So i need to break out my old pinokio then?
Get a spire any version and you will be happy
I actually like this hopper while it works 🙃 the sensor messed up on mine after like 5 weekends
Yikes, hopefully HK or someone can help you out.
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife My local shop that I bought it for got a replacement sensor for me :)
great content very underrated
For the extra $10 I ordered the LTR. Love the build quality. The Sonic just felt like cheap plastic in my opinion.
Hey Brad, are you planning to share your thoughts on the CS3?
Yep. Working on it now, should be out soon.
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On your hopper weight chart, you don't show the Revvy. I've had mine 20yrs and still haven't found anything worth swapping it out for. Yes it averages 10bps, but with modern guns with eyes, its never been a problem. Would the Sonic or something else be much of an upgrade on an Autococker? I even use my Revvy on my pumps and apart from new shells every couple of years its been amazing.
Just added it 👍. I think so, I use the Revy sometimes on my Emek shooting at most 6 BPS. Sometimes the Revy will skip shots my Spire never does.
Revy is super light. Always loved them
Didn't tippmann ssl200 have a similar sensor and paddles?
Ahh yeah forgot all about them, looking back I imagine they were made for Tippmann by pinokio.
It's literally th same hardware of a pinokio speed, different shell
What are your thoughts on how far forward the loader sits?
Hmmm, I doesn't bother me. The Speed also sits far forward, but was still balanced well and didn't feel front heavy.
Why in the F... would they not model the shell after their flagship hopper !? If this thing had the sleek low-profile shell like the TFX it would've been a home run.
Don't know, I actually like it more than the TFX lol
Ya know what's funny, the past few years I've used a pinokio speed and loved it. Lately, I've been on a new "low profile" hopper kick and can't decide. This hopper probably isn't any bigger or taller than the rest, I'm just way over thinking it!
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really enjoyed the video up until that stupid ass brick yelling part. i suffer with severe pstd and nerve damage and random yells/screams trigger a terrible reaction in me that often makes me extremely sick and suffer with migraines. please please please if your going to do this kind of stuff in your future videos please consider those who are sick or suffering with severe illness such as me and flash a simple audio warning in the corner or something a few seconds before it happens. normally a huge fan of your vids for there reliably calm style and of course i choose the one that has this in it... forgive my frustration but it genuinely does me serious harm and more and more youtuber keep inserting this type of garbage into there videos making me feel like i have less and less places to relax and escape...
No one is going to change how they make their videos just because of one person
I just bought the Sonic and it came in today lol