10 Worst JRPGs I've Played (To Date)
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- I've played a handful of JRPGs, but these are some that in my opinion, really aren't a great time. Don't get me wrong, I hold all JRPGs close to my heart, because they are all important in their own way, but sometimes, they can get a little wonky!
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.hack, FF7, Secret of Mana, and Dark Cloud? Oh, fuck off with that noise.
If these are the worst ones you've played, then you've been lucky enough to only play great RPGs your entire life
This is only JRPGs, I didn't add in JRPGS, I feel like if I put ALL RPGs I''ve played, that it would change the list dramatically lol.
Secret of Mana has not aged well. Loved it as a kid, but playing it with a friend recently the jank causes sooo much frustration. Trials of Mana is the better SNES Mana title 100%.
@@Valkyrie963 I love Secret of Mana! I know it was janky, but THIS was my favorite game - still is. And you're right about Trials of Mana being good - so glad it got released worldwide finally a few years ago - I played it when it was an English patched ROM years ago - also got a great remake.
Before watching video: I'm pretty sure at least one or more games talked down about on this list is going to piss me off...
I'm sorry lmao.
Finally! Someone who feels as I do about how severely overated final fantasy 7 is!!! I'm so happy I'm no longer alone in the world
It's so silly lol.
Overrated? Sure. Anywhere near the top 10 worst? Never. I consider FF7 one of the best games ever made and it's still overrated because it's just so incredibly popular.
@@gentronseven See that's where I disagree, the storytelling for me was off.
@@Fortefyre that I can understand, just not the 10 worst RPGs ever, although if I ranked the ten worst games I ever finished there'd probably be some pretty good games in that list too since I haven't finished basically any bad games
oh thank god, parasite eve isn't actually on the list lmao
I'm kind of lowkey dreading it, mostly because of the "sphere of influence" combat aspect, I hated it in Vagrant Story, and I couldn't even get past the first boss.
@@Fortefyre Oh yeah, the combat at the time it came out felt different and fun, but on a recent replay I think I lasted about two boss fights before I gave up and just turned cheats on sssh don't tell
I won't!
Parasite Eve is underrated but Parasite Eve 2 was a letdown
@@XBC3-4GOTY But nowhere near as disappointing as The Third Birthday.
THANK YOU! Someone finally was honest! Final Fantasy 7 is not a good game. I have tried over and over to get into it. Even the new remake is just boring. I personally think Final Fantasy seriously lost something when they left nintendo.
I agree.
I think it’s fine. In fact, after (in no particular order) 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 and Mystic Quest, I’d say it’s my favorite Final Fantasy.
I was in high school when it came out. I remember the hype. It was all about the graphics. It's a boring game that was just made to show off the graphics capability of the PS1. FF6 is far superior.
Yeah, the original game was just meh. The remakes ruined it further. My favorite Final Fantasy games will always be the first six. FF7 departed from the fantasy plot of the series (it seemed like) - and yet it wasn't really THAT bad though, it's just, well you know. Don't know completely about the rest of the series, since that was as far as I have got - however, might try the other games (FF8-Present) someday.
However, Secret of Mana was really good despite all of the glitches. Never forgot this game - best in its series. Now that Trials of Mana finally came out here in the States (as with the rest of the world), I recommend it too.
Instead of the first Dragon Warrior game, I would’ve put the second one on this list. The original NES version has some serious balancing issues. The second party member’s most powerful equipable weapon is the iron spear with a +20 attack power, and it’s available relatively early into the game!
‘Nuff said.
I haven't actually played it yet :)
The snes versions are maybe better. I just started playing dragon quest 3 and was traumatized by the intro...
@@tommj4365 In the DWII remix, your other party members are able to pull their weight in battle quite a bit more. The second character having access to more equipment really helps.
EXACTLY. dq2 is so much worse. so many bad design decisions. its clear that they had no idea how to balance things out. and mechanically, its pretty much the same as dq1, but with even more grinding that is made worse due to the bad balancing.
To be fair, FF7 aged liked fine milk. I'd never consider playing it without mods.
That's my consensus view as well!
Love your perspective on these types of videos! It is wild to me anybody would talk bad about ff7 or Secret of Mana. However, I totally understand your points and appreciate you don't go for the low hanging fruit for these lists. I am surprised you didn't put Legend of Dragoon on here though! I was waiting for it haha
TRUST ME IT MIGHT lmaooooo
The BALLS to call out Secret of Mana and FF7. And I’m so here for it. I want to love both of those games so much but I have never been able to enjoy either of them. I do love FF5 though so that one stung a little. Love the channel, keep it up!
As long as you are having fun!
To be fair once any videogame becomes insanely popular, youtubers come out of the woodwork to take a hipster dump on them. Fair to say I have seen it enough on youtube, having the balls to scream overrated doesnt really mean anything anymore.
So you have played 15 RPJs? Their are some truly HORRIBLE RPJs and you listed a few of the GOATs on the list. This must be all CAP.
I've played 26. But again, these as I mentioned , they are games I just didn't like lol. Which ones are the GOATs to you?
that's what i was gonna say, this list feel like a list of someone who didnt play enough jrpgs to make a list like this.
seriously, secret of mana? ffv and vii? hell even 2(nes) is nowhere near how bad jrpgs get. even og release DQ1 is nowhere near the even the bad list, let alone worst.
specially when shit like lunar ds, or every single hydelide exists. even digimon world 1 is not the worst digimon rpg, since its far more liked than the 2 sequels. also, this list has both ffvii and v and 2, but not mystic quest! which is hands down the worst ff game.
you could even argue that ergheiz should be here far more than any of the FF listed, since its also a pretty mediocre dungeon crawler.
I love Secret of Mana.
I get why you hate it though.
The problem with the game was programming. Multiplying enemies would keep multiplying at an unlimited amount, after a hit, the characters would freeze, AI controlled characters would get stuck, once you or an enemy casted wall, wall repelled ALL magic, even if it helped you or the enemy out (Mech Rider part 3....cough cough). So yeah! Once you realize the flaws in the programming, you can adapt, but its something to get used to.
Nasir Gebelli finally got his work visa back in order to get back to working for Square again, only to find that he was obsolete in the move over from 8 bit to 16 bit. Square liked Nasir, but he was done and they knew it (he retired completely from programming after that).
Nasir was an important person, but I agree, he was showing his lack of translation to the new era. It's fine though, nobody can take that away from him!
I think the problem with the Psx Final Fantasy games is that despite the polygonal upgrade, the gameplay was still firmly entrenched with it's predecessors (flaws and all). As you said, the lack of visual clarity combined with the constant interruptions make them feel dated and lacking in replay value. Despite these problems, I still love them.
And I encourage you to, FF 7 is still a great game, as is 8 and 9, they all have their strengths and weaknesses!
Playing Secret of Mana single player is super easy if you learn to adjust the AI behavior from the menu, and never forget that you can switch between the multiple characters at any time if they get stuck. I literally can't even imagine finding it difficult or frustrating considering you can take control over every aspect at any time. That doesn't mean I don't feel like Mana hasn't aged as well as some other classics, but it's still great in many ways. And I still prefer it to any turned based titles of the era.
Alot of people have mentioned it. I did mess with the tactics quite often to try to save items, but I never could crack the code to keep them from doing dumb stuff OUT of combat lol.
@@Fortefyre I imagine the "best" configuration changes from person to person and situation to situation. It also depends on which weapon you have each of the others equipped with. It's best to keep rotating the weapons out so that everybody levels in everything.
FF7 and Secret of Mana are two of my favorites, but I really appreciate your honesty
And I appreciate you!
I haven't played Digimon World, Dark Cloud, Dot Hack, and one other, but the rest on the list left me thinking I needed to gather stones....
OH NO hahaha
digimon world is actually pretty good, it is grindy, but its a great exploration based world. not only that but seeing the city grow as you find more people, and those people contributing to making the city, and your journey easier is great. it is a bit trial and error, with trying to get some digimons, but its also very rewarding. dot hack is a single player mmo simulator. its kinda like ff12, but set in a mmo setting and dressing.
its not that great, all things considered, but its far from being the worst, even on the ps2 library(like for example the second ps2 arc the lad game, or grandia xtreme). dark cloud is also kinda weird since its mostly an action rpg, that is pretty well regarded, with many fans actually unable to pick which of the 2 games is better.
I think most of these games had a manual, and the manual sometimes had game hints/a mini guide.
Hell, manuals were actually amazing during this time.
I enjoyed your perspective. I would enjoy a lot of the older games if they got the Super Mario RPG treatment .
Modern UI and small updates like visuals but mostly keeping the game the same would greatly improve their playability.
I wish they would re-release FF7 but with that treatment
Thank you for your kind comment! Absolutely, small updates sometimes are the best ways to refresh a classic story, even for the older games.
Digimon World: Next Order is one you might not hate as much.
While there is still the life cycle management, and yes, your partners will die, there are a couple of things that make it less aggravating.
The facilities you build in town, and the perks your trainer acquires, both make it easier to raise new 'mons.
Early on, one monster you recruit, gives you a free portable loo every in-game day. Also, your partners do have certain times when they'll want to go. So while that aspect is still there, it's not quite as obnoxious, once you catch on.
If you think of the life cycle management as a roguelike, it makes a little more sense.
That's a really good point actually
@@Fortefyre And just to add to the thought: If you look under Partner > History (this is Next Order on PS4 I'm referring to), for the first few 'mons in training, you'll be told exactly what attributes you need to raise, to get them up to Rookie. After that, the information gets hidden.
Early on, the best way to reveal it, is with interactions (praising, scolding, and the like). Once a 'mon Digivolves, all that information unlocks permanently. And there are some 'mons that you can get via multiple different routes, so sometimes an old friend might show up out of nowhere, and you'll have all the information you need to acquire it. Again, kinda roguelike in its own way.
Also of note, one of the stats on each 'mon is TF: Trainer Failures. That happens if you fail to feed your partner, don't let it go to the can, or keep it up too far past its bedtime. There are some 'mons you can't get, if that stat is zero. Not all of those are worth getting, but some are.
There is a definite method to the madness in Digimon World, and the learning curve is admittedly brutal. But once you "get" how it all works together, it's a ton of fun.
It's got a quirky combination of game elements, but that can be a double-edged sword: some players enjoy the change of pace, some find it frustrating.
I won't guarantee you'll ever like the original, knowing all this, or that you'll like Next Order if you ever choose to play it. It's definitely a love it or hate it kind of game, and there are ways it can make itself hard to love.
Secret of Mana is fine if you set the AI settings and remember to hit select to rotate between the characters. I'll be eager to hear your take on Faria on NES.
But nobody should have to do that though. I don't think I've heard of Faria! I might have to look into it!
@@Fortefyre I really like Faria, but it's very cryptic. I had to make my own maps before I decided that wasn't going to result in finishing. It's fantastic with resources, though. And I agree with you on SoM, but I still love it!
Final Fantasy 7 is crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. I played it back then and have replayed it every year since
It's a good game, per se, just when I rack and stacked them it ended up at the bottom.
Final fantasy 14 is p rough. That might make it on your list. A villian shows up with the personality of an edgy walmart tshirt that says "heaven kicked me out and hell is afraid I'll take over."
Yikes 🤣🤣🤣
Most of these were bs, but I think the final fantasy portion hurt my neck
Heating pad works wonders haha, trust me.
"Cloud momentum breaks and I hate that but I still loved FF8 and Squall is an awesome character."
At least we know from the get-go that Squall will be a pain in the ass lmao. I wasn't big on the scaling and the card game breaking FF8 but yeah, I enjoyed the story better.
Two games I love are on your list. It's crazy how tastes vary from person to person.
They really do:)
Secret of Mana’s only negative is the hit boxes.
I don't like being tied to freezing on magic being used. The tiger boss was dreadful for it.
there's nothing wrong with the hit boxes- it's evasion and accuracy stats as well as the fact that every enemy has a spaced out and a vulnerable pose once hit. I never understand how people don't know this
Easy, I haven’t played the game since I was a kid and never went back to look up anything about the game afterwards. But I appreciate the information, what you said makes much more sense. Thank you.
Honestly I remember loving Secret of Mana as a kid. I didn't play any of the other ones.
Although admittedly I didn't like that midget thing that accompanied your characters.
Don't try it as an adult lol
I love the hell out of Secret of Mana, but I also know it's flawed; the AI is not the worst problem in the game, as you don't have to rely on them in combat once you've learned how to switch characters quickly, leaving only the terrible pathing (which is not typically game breaking, though if a character gets caught in an area out of bounds, you might have to summon the dragon or use a rope to reset the area, which is time-wasting). I've probably played it for 200 hrs. in my life (on the SNES, I grinded each character up to 99 and all the weapons and spells up to max), and the most frustrating elements is just how much of a time-sink even basic combat can be, probably my biggest pet peeve in all of gaming. The evasion rate on the enemies, your own lengthy evasion animations, knockback, knock-down, status effects like sleep and confusion that don't increase challenge, the charging mechanic for the weapons--it's all designed to take far longer than it needs to (and it's not just Secret of Mana--I've put 200+ hours into Diablo III, and I find status effects like Fear to be intolerable; it doesn't increase challenge, it just wastes time). I was obviously able to get used to the mechanics (I've beaten it multiplayer with my brothers and solo), but every time I go back to it after a prolonged absence, I have to get used to it all over again. I can't help but wonder what might have been had Nintendo not cancelled the CD-ROM add on, which forced Square to cut back the game significantly.
I didn't care for FFVII, even back then--I've always thought the graphics looked terrible (except for some of the prerendered backgrounds) and the gameplay felt like a step back from Final Fantasy VI.
The "freeze" everytime an enemy casts magic is horrid!
@Fortefyre they needed to make the wheel menu real time, it's too easy to cheese bosses with magic because they freeze when you cast magic, and it doesn't fit the multiplayer aspect very well. That said, I still love the setting and music and in the right mood I could grind the overworld for hours as a kind of ASMR, I guess.
At least you mentioned evasion and accuracy. Most players just talk about hit boxes and there's nothing wrong with the hit boxes
Secret of mana? Realy?
Are you gonna trash chrono trigger while you on it to?
Or earth bound?
Yes Secret of Mana. I haven't played Earthbound, and I consider Chrono Trigger one of the best games ever created :)
@@Fortefyre wierd. But gotta respect it.
Agreed especially about FF7! I do like Dark Cloud but I did see as my friend played it that it gets tedious on the weapon leveling that you have to find new party members then redo a finished dungeon so they can be Toan equal and Me and my friend kept ripping into and ribbing Taon because of his Tight Pants! It's like dude you will die more from a yeast infection then the enemies!😂
LMAO FACTS
After watching this video I immediately subscribed. I like when people are not afraid to say that they don't like the most famous games. Many titles presented in this video are at least in top 10 list for most people. You presented your opinion, not what people want to hear. More youtubers should be like you.
That's very kind of you to say. Welcome to the community :)
Secret of Mana is one of my all time favorite games, but to each their own. I would just grind until the battles were easy. I sometimes played with my siblings, but usually I played solo. When 7 came out, it didn't feel like Final Fantasy to me. Final Fantasy to me had more of a classic sword and sorcery feel to it, with airships. I also missed the symphonic music. My younger brother played FF7 and 8, but I skipped from FF6 to FF9. To date, 4, 6, 9, and 10 are my favorites in the series. X looked so amazing to me that I bought a PS2 just to play it. I never thought polygonal character design looked good, so that ruled out games like FF7, Tomb Raider, etc.
I liked Dark Cloud when it came out, but I remember it being too grindy. I liked building up my towns in it, though. Kind of had that mobile game energy before mobile games existed.
Digimon seems annoying.
Digimon is incredibly annoying. Lol.
Three minutes in and I’m already like “nope, I’m out”
FF2 is quirky but very moody and pretty replayable 8bit RPG, and yeah, I do prefer it over FF3. My main gripe with it is the amount of backtracking to princess Hilda, it's like 40% of the game progress😅
Btw, I fully agree with you at Secret Of Mana/FF7 being incredibly overrated and FF5 being just meh for all the mid abilities and its blind grinding.
I love FF2 despite the quirks lol
Dang, Lemony Snickett, that's a series of unfortunate takes.
Hard agree on FFVII being overrated, though.
LOL I'm stealing that.
I find it funny seeing Secret of Mana on this list. I hear about how this game was amazing but a decade ago I heard two people in the countdown community rip this game a new one on separate instances. So it feels like when those some called Luigi’s Mansion Underrated and then it became loved enough for a sequel.
Secret of Mana is a VERY important game to a lot of people, and I recognize that, but from a cognitive level, it's not that great lol.
Final Fantasy 5 isnt as bad as you say, provided you find the right guys to battle in order to level up your classes quickly. I agree it can be a bit of a chore, but personally i think youre judging it a little too harshly. Half the fun is leveling up and figuring out your favorite combo of abilities and what those abilities do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and everyone has different tastes in games, that being said, anyone that is a Final Fantasy fan or just a turn based RPG fan owes it to themselves to give it a try a least cuz it is a fantastic game and showed where a class system can take you.
That's a great take! Thank you for taking the time to share your perspective!
@Fortefyre everyone has different tastes so i shouldnt say youre judging it too harshly cuz your opinion is based on your experiences. Im just kind of shocked and surprised too see Secret of Mana, and the Final Fantasy titles on your list of "worst jrpgs". I honestly dont think ive ever seen anyone place those games on a "worst" list ever. Try playing Secret of the Stars for the Snes, it might actually replace one of those games. I still wouldnt consider it a worst jrpg ive played, but it is so mediocre and so many youtubers do consider it one of the worst on the Snes and possibly between all other platforms as well. Sorry, didnt mean to write a whole novel based off of opinions... lol
Hell, I encourage it!
Secret of mana was fun multiplayer back in the day, my brother an i beat it over the Christmas break in the 90s. Interesting it doesn't hold up single player.
I always suggest playing it with a friend to be honest!
Parasite Eve is the thumbnail...why?
When I make my thumbnail, I just grab the first game I see on the shelf that fits the genre.
You might cause controversy with your list but I can’t help but agree with your takes, especially with Secret of Mana, which is 3 times as long as it needs to be. Secret of Evermore, however, is an interesting and improved take on the formula….
I lowkey look forward to Secret of Evermore
@@Fortefyre don’t low key it - be proud of your love of corny Square RPGs!
;)
Having just repurchased Secret of Mana, which was one of my favorite games when young, I fully agree with you on the AI. Although I love the design and the story, I do not like playing it myself. I really need to get my daughter involved to relive some of the fun that I had with my brother.
As for all of these people calling you out, I may not agree with you on some games, but your unique way to look at games keeps me coming back.
That's very kind of you to say. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees Single Player SoM is a rough time!
So I never played Secret of Mana growing up. Lately it has been released for Switch and remastered and I've sat down 4 times and said I'm gonna play this game. The need to wait for the attack to recharge after each attack is amazingly annoying that I've never played further than 10 min into the start of the game.
I guess they wanted to include the ATB from FF IV but it didn't really work for me.
That part never bothered me, eventually you get the rhythm of it--Phantasy Star Online/Portable have a similar mechanic but improves it by using the timing as part of a combo/critical hit system. Just wait until you charge a level 8 sword attack for nearly a minute only for it to miss due to evasion or bad hit detection. There's a reason I play the imp and girl on bosses and leave Randi to the AI to charge his attack even when I'm not cheesing the magic exploit.
With the exception of Quest 64, the rest of this list is either cap or bait. The minute I saw Secret of Mana was included, I knew this had to be a troll list.
I'm gonna conclude this was an attempt at a joke video and pretend this never happened.
Did you play Secret of Mana with a friend, or alone? There's a VERY specific reason why I dislike Secret of Mana lol.
@@Fortefyre Secret of Mana is fucking amazing and you suck balls
And why do you find it amazing?
yeah, that's how i felt as well. dude put ff5 and 7, which, sure, some people might not like it, but to call them as some of the worst he played? yeah, gonna have to heavily disagree on that.
.Hack was so disappointing. The idea was awesome at the time and I was the target audience. And I was so let down.
Secret of Mana was fine. I beat it once alone and it was passable. I believe I tracked it down after Chrono trigger trying to get more of that- and that’s not what it is.
FF8 and 9 were huge let downs. I liked the pace of 7 especially when I played it when it came out- it was like witnessing the start of the new age of video games.
FfV was soooo boring. The day the English patch came out I went in on it and couldn’t figure out why it didn’t catch my attention. I was playing phantasy star 4 at the time so that could be the issue
Thank you for sharing your perspective!
Great video. I love your perspective. The only game that doesn't seem to belong is FFII - you are almost universally positive on it. Overall, I love an alternate perspective even when I disagree. Keep it up.
Thank you for understanding!
Saw FF7 at #8 and that was pretty much all I needed to see 👋
I'm sorry that you feel that way, I justified why I felt this way in the video.
Is this a "Troll" video? I really enjoyed the .Hack games and love Secret of Mana. (I played through it again 2 years ago). I can't watch anymore.
I don't make "troll videos", it's all based on my perspective and opinion. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it, please feel free to check out my other videos :)
@Fortefyre I've seen about a dozen of your videos. THAT is why I thought this might be a Troll video since it's the fist one that made me say whaaaaaat?
There's going to be those times where you might say that, and I would hope you do! It's so fun to hear everyone's perspectives on these lists, or even the games I play in general :)
@Fortefyre Tru Dat man. Just posting my reaction to your opinion and it's not always pretty. I will 100% be watching more of your videos and giving them a big thumbs up.....until they deserve a thumbs down....."in my opinion"...
I would rather you be 100% honest than even 1% blowing smoke up my butt! I do appreciate it!
Thou shalt not dis Legend of Dragoon
(Genesis 55:17)
Thou shalt not miss addition timing (Chronicles 69:4-20)
Seiken densetsu 3 is similar to mana but I thoroughly enjoyed seiken and couldn't be bothered to finish secret of mana, not sure if you played it before but its definitely worth a try.
I'll give it a shake at some point!
It’s fascinating to hear about opinions that are completely opposite of your own. It hurt a little as a lover of OG .hack, FFV, and Digimon World 1. Though, DW1 especially is really charming to me as someone into the V-pet side of things. Done better in the later titles, but still pretty cozy.
Do they still need to use the bathroom? 🤣
I know FF7 has many flaws, but it doesn't deserve to be in a top 10 list.
That's where our perspective differs, and that's okay :)
I would have FF8 on this List; I Hate Squall So Much as an Protagonist and Is Terrible Personally; I Hate the Terrible Junction System, Bad Story and Forced Love Story
BUT HE WAS THE MOST HANDSOME GUY AT THE PARTY :P
@@Fortefyre Irvine is Tho
Damn, you right.
The most bait to ever bait
Not really, it's based on my perspective of play lol.
Secret of Mana is my number one favorite game of all times and I know it is at least true for one other person. The stuck on walls occasionally happens. I don't think I ever ran a game in which it never happened. Struggling with the AI is a lot like people complaining about Ashley calling you a perv in RE4 for looking up her skirt. People complained about it, I played the game through once on Wii and once on PC and never experienced it once.
Haha
If it was 'JRPGs that I have hated', it would have been fine but if its worst JRPGs' and then include a ton of amazing JRPGs, it is hard to take seriously
I was fairly straightforward as to why I felt the way I did about each of these. Which games in particular would you consider "amazing RPGs"?
The Dot.Hack games are very grindy. Hope you like dungeon crawlers.
Facts
If you didn't like Secret of Mana then don't check out the remake. It might have fixed the AI but everything else is strictly worse.
That's good to know... but depressing.
Oh no!
Played through FF7 recently and while I had a lot more appreciation for it (still not a favorite) i had the same issue of not being sure where i could go or move. Still loved the look of the prerendered graphics. And I do remember renting Dark Cloud and constantly dying of thirst lmao.
Heres a really popular but shitty jrpg imo. Xenogears.
Glad I'm not the only one! I have yet to play Xenogears or Xenosaga
@@Fortefyre Xenogears gets huge praise for its story even though its unfinished. It also has clunky platforming, and the battles are uninteresting and drag on. Too bad because it feels like it should be great.
While I might not agree with all your choices, you are entitled to your opinion. it was an interesting watch. Subscribed
Thank you! Welcome to the community!
Not sure if they are jrpgs. But xenoblade chronicles, the last story and earthbound belong on this list.
I think they are lol
I'm not a huge final fantasy guy, but I thought six was the best by far
Oh easily, it's a masterpiece!
As someone who loves these games, I respect your opinions.
Because I hate post botw zelda and understand the backlash of hating something with a lot of “passionate” fans
Post BOTW Zelda is a mockery of a legacy franchise and it upsets me lol.
@@Fortefyre amen.
Like, I'm from the OoT era, that was my exposure to the Zelda Universe, and from that point on, I loved it, up until Skyward Sword, and if that was any indication of the direction they would take, their quality was going downhill.
@@Fortefyre also, mechanics that were rightfully mocked like disposable attacks in paper mario sticker star and trash fusing in Banjokazooie nuts and bolts are now praised when shoved into generic sandbox now called Zelda.
@@Fortefyre me too.
Majoras mask is my favorite but oot was my childhood and not far behind
Tales of the Abyss reigns as the worst JRPG I've ever played...the main character was an arrogant jerk I actually WANTED to be defeated. The storyline was boring and idiotic,and to progress in the game took forever! If you ever see it, don't waste your time on it.
I wish it was that easy lol. More often than not, my JRPG line-ups come from the Twitch subscribers lol
Got to give you credit, its takes balls to diss ff7. I do think it has been way to hyped up though. My personal favorite is fft wotl.
Haha, I mean, at the end of the day, I get a fandom mad, and that's okay, it's just opinions :)
I can understand why the games ended up on this list even I wouldn't personally as I have played much worse games. Unlimited Saga is leaps and bounds more annoying than anything you listed here. The game tries play like a board game, so everything requires a spinning wheel to decide what happens. May be you stop things in right place, may be you bang on a bad guy for an hour before you actually kill it then run out of turns and have redo the entire map.
Oh god that sounds dreadful!
I wanted to add that Secret of Evermore, which is considered inferior to Secret of Mana but I found it to be much more entertaining. And Iitteraly just took a break from Job grinding in FF 5 to post these comments, just started playing it for my first time! 😂❤
How are you feeling about it?
I also disliked .Hack for pretty much the same reasons.
I really wanted to get into it as well, the last game isn't cheap.
Me before watching the video: Beyond the Beyond has got to be here somewhere
After: Called it
As it should be lmao
If I made this list, I'd have to put Digimon world 2 on the list, I tried it as a kid, teen and adult and it sucked everytime, I love a good grind, but even It thought the grind in that game so tedious, I gave up on it everytime, Digimon world 3 for all it's flaws is a much better more playable game, and the ds rpgs are underreated, the few modern ones are great! just don't waste your time on 2, play Dragon warrio\quest monsters games instead the fusion system is much betterband more rewording, the people who told you DW2 is good\great are biased and have rose tinted glasses on, I've play 100's of Jrpgs and DW2 would be in my top 5 worst easy
And it consistently ends up on the "best of" lists for RPGs lmao.
speaking of RPG the worst one I tried to play in 10 years got to be Persona 1.
The combat system
The eye isometric
Oh no! I was hoping the persona games were good.
@@Fortefyre They do become good at number 3 and up. My Favorite is number 4, Recommend it strongly.
Class based systems hurt dragonquest too.
Seven would literally be my favorite if not for that. It also destroys uniqueness in characters, just like materia did for ff7. Everyone plays almost exactly the same
Exactly!
You want to play a SHITTY game? Try playing Evolution Worlds. Okay bro, I was with you all the way, up until you got to Quest 64. FFVII, Dark Cloud, .hack, totally in agreement. But Quest? That's the best RPG on the N64, bar-none. Try a hard mode ROM hack, legit some of the most fun I've ever had. You're wrong about the camera orientation. The game does remember where you were facing, and puts you in the right direction after battles. The bestiary is unique and varied, there's even uncommon enemies that you can miss. The entire game pops with color, and the soundtrack is top-notch. Sometimes, less is more, I just love the simplicity of it, no currency or heavy dialog required. I've beaten it 3 times and would go back to it in a heartbeat. Though it is true that you need to dump points into Water until you get Heal Lvl 2.
Isn't it like...one of two RPGs on the system? Lol, I don't know much about the American N64 library.
@@Fortefyre There really weren't a lot of RPG's on the system, Quest was the very first one, so it gave RPG fans something to hold off on until Ocarina of Time, especially those who traded their SNES in for it.
My friend and I, as kids would pass Beyond the Beyond back and forth with our new Playstations as we hungered for a good RPG. So mundane and so bland. Not a fan, though I have nostalgia. Another game I passed back and forth with a different friend, was Discworld. I still have that one!
Beyond the Beyond really genuinely disappointed me lol
I would have to argue about the PlayStation Final Fantasy games, Squall from 8 is worse than Cloud
They could easily have an "emo-off" lmao
@@Fortefyre LMAO, that is true
but he is right : Final Fantasy 9 is the peak... and the last FF worth it (for the actual NAME of the brand)
first off, i enjoy your narration style a lot. ff7 though! very contrarian! quite a stretch! agree with 9 not being very good
i also understand your criticism about Dark Cloud for sure, but i personally found it to be a fun and addicting gameplay loop. the city progression and unlocking NPCs to talk to was very fun for me. weapon stuff is a bit of a chore though, for sure.
I think if they would have yanked the durablity per attack mechanic, that I would have enjoyed it SLIGHTLY more, you know?
FFV doesn't really require that much grinding, it isn't ever strictly needed unless you want to be obsenely OP.
I think that 5 and FFTactics have the best, most satisfying character building of all the games I've played. Both offer a huge amount of replay value due to their robust class systems.
That said, I still think it's a good list. Your opinions are just that: YOUR. OPINIONS.
Was it FFV that had the blue magic system or am I thinking of IV?
@@Fortefyre That's 5, and yeah, if you want all the stuff it can definitely be a grind!
@@Fortefyre You really just need focus on a few core classes as you advance. Early on you will spend a bunch of tiem as asingle class, but as you advance the Ap flows faster and faster.(this usually the case in FF games.) Late in the game there's enemies worth tons of Ap and Exp that you easily farm to cap out everything. Some classes are trash like Geomancer, and you can ignore them till you go and master everything. You will probably end up a freelancer or mimic at the end as either one is the best job depending if you want to be a physical or magical character and they get the perks of everything you have mastered.
I'm not a big Mana series jrpg fan either. I played Trials Of Mana on Switch and didn't really care for it
Definitely check out Final Fantasy Adventure though!
Man, a few of these really burned. Dragon Quest, Secret of Mana and FF7 are among my absolute favorite games I've ever played! Secret of Mana and Dragon Quest got me into the series of games at large and FF7 was a nice capstone on my enjoyment there, it is perfect and nothing else even comes close. FF9 comes close. I think the fundamental difference between our points of view, however, is that I owned and played these games when they were new and revolutionary and all the other words that mean "good" while you are playing them from a "this is absolute poop and wouldn't fly today" and both are fair. I didn't play Dark Cloud because I *did* play Actraiser and D&D. Dark Cloud was taking the worst parts of these. I smelled it miles away and I feel fine that I avoided it. The hack series was as you said, "amazing concept, dogshit execution" and the fact you needed the Manga, the show, and all the games to get the whole story screams cashgrab. All the job-based FF games (2,3,5 etc) are all just different exercises in grinding levened with a somewhat interesting story that generally doesn't progress until the end of the game. Quest64 is another idea that sounds fun, but there's SO MANY WAYS to completely end a run. I couldn't get through it without cheating and using a guide.
My hot take jrpg is Earthbound. It has a great story and a neat concept. The endgame feels obviously taped to the rest of the game as a last minute thought. Also, the enemies are frequently damage sponges making even random encounters dangerous quickly unless you're over leveled to the point things just flee or the fights become trivial. And forget the bosses, because they're just random encounter +infinity.
But that's me. I still enjoy your videos and honestly, even with the points I disagree on, you make good points.
So, I'm glad you mentioned the whole "this is poop and wouldn't fly today", when I play games, I embrace a cognitive approach to it, around how the standards were at the time, there's games I adore from the early 80s that many people my age, or hell, even younger, would feel "aged poorly" which is a big reason why I absolutely dislike that term. I associated my opinion on FF7 from key mechanics that didn't make it stand out among the other games I had played.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video Bill!
I somewhat enjoyed Dragon Warrior because it was the first jrpg I ever played, it was free and I was 10, so I didn't know any better.
Did you also get it through Nintendo Power?
@@Fortefyre Yep
I didn't even realize they sent out free games like that until it was brought up in the comment section a few videos ago lol.
It was really good, if short, for it's time I beat it for the first time 15 years ago and still had fun with it
I appreciate that you have exposed the flaws hidden in the charm and reputation of JRPGs, provoking a discussion among viewers and reaffirming the importance of individual memories.
I agree with you when it comes to the overrated past FF and DQ.
I would add that the system was immature and not up to modern standards, and I was not comfortable with the group mentality that had become a kind of social phenomenon in Japan.
Actually, even as a JRPG lover, I don't really prefer games that focus on non-playable protagonists like NPCs or summon mascots, such as the latest Pokemon/Palworld games. I also find the excessive beautification in franchises like Zelda, Tales, and Persona, as well as in recently released HD remakes to be off-putting.
Especially when the Tales series and Valkyrie Profile with their chanting of technique names became popular, it was as embarrassing and cringe-worthy as the weebs shouting NARUTO's RASENGAN today, haha!
(Chanting here refers to the kind of spells that people like to memorize, such as the chanting of summoning servant in FATE or the magic chanting in Slayers lol)
However, I understand that taste is subjective, and I think your list is fair and realistic.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I mean, if this is your list of worst JRPGs... I think you havent played enough of them tbh.
I'm chock full to the brim with a backlog, maybe I'll re-attack this video next year!
Final Fantasy 5 now?!?! The best job system ever?!?!? Are you mad?!?!
Depends. Angry. Yes. Lmao
Bravely Default
I haven't messed with Bravely Default yet, I've heard very mixed things about it.
waiting for the golden sun 1 + 2 playthrough
Someday! Lol
FF2 is a fgem... super mario 1 is the top of NES basic cart power cpacity... so FF1, FF2, FF3 are miracles on NES !!!! FF2 is a favoriute of mine cuz its open world. You literally can level and walk to the closed door of last dungeron ... what other game offers this except zelda1 and ff2??
I do like Final Fantasy II, I find it to be exemplary FOR just me lol, but in the overall scope of what I've played, there were better games.
@@Fortefyre totally understood, some people don't mind the numbing action-cue button timing of modern games. I prefer old RPGs like ff1 to 6
.hack is really good when you know what you're doing, but it's pretty lousy for newcomers. The problem is the combat shines with temporary buff items like speed charms and blood items that you can buy at the stores. Speed charms increase the character's base speed by 3 to 4 times, and the blood items boost both physical and magic attack, defense, and accuracy by a significant amount. You'll definitely see "Miss" way less often if you use them and you can decimate enemies in seconds using them with the right weapons skills as well. The games never tell you that these exist though, and it's pretty obvious you didn't use them, from what I'm seeing in your video, as a result of that.
Nowadays I use them and the combat with them is literally 10 times faster than the base speed is. I am literally clearing entire dungeons out in less than 10 minutes instead of 30 minutes because of these items alone. Not to mention you can switch weapons and armor during fights so you can switch out skills that exploit enemy elemental weaknesses, you can do the same for you party members as well. This combat system is great for people who like to micromanage battles and I still had a blast playing through them again recently.
I doubt you'll return to them, but if you do try out the speed charms (Magic shop) and blood items (Item shop). It's night and day how much better they make the combat flow and you can reapply them to the entire party in just a couple seconds when they run out, which they usually do about halfway through most dungeons for me.
G.U.'s combat flows a bit better and the remaster makes it less of a slog to get through on top of that if you want to check it out instead. It frequently goes on sale for $5 on Steam and PSN, $10 on the eshop.
Honestly, I think if I took to the time to understand EXACTLY what weapon added exactly what aspect or move, I'd be better off, but man, it's alot. Lol.
@@Fortefyre It's definitely one of those series that gets better the more you understand the gameplay mechanics. Heck I'm still learning new things about it's combat and I just did probably my 20th playthrough of the games.
It also doesn't help that this a multimedia franchise and there's a prequel anime to these games called SIGN that pretty much sets up the story for them as well. The villain is really well defined in the anime, but in the games she's more of a force of nature and vaguely explained.
The developer, CyberConnect2, really wants to remake these games, but the publisher, Bandai Namco, unfortunately cares more about SAO and has pretty much forsaken this series in favor for that one.
Thankfully CC2 is back to making original games after only making anime games for the past decade, and I found their recent Fuga games to have a pretty fun gameplay loop, if you like Grandia/Advanced Wars you might like it's turn based combat.
I'm hoping they return to .hack some day even if it's with a spiritual successor because this series was so good back in the day.
There is no excuse for your take on FF 7 & 9.
*shrug*
Secret of Mana...yup. Dragon Warrior...double-yup.
Haha glad you agree!
You punched my childhood in his gut (and he spit out his Capri Sun) with Dragon Warrior, Secret of Mana and FFVII being on this list. However, you make some good points. FF is especially a slog , and yeah my boy Cloud do be a bitch sometimes. One of my favorite movies when I was a kid was Iron Eagle. A few years ago, I tried showing my ex this cool assed Top Gun alternative, and welp... Having not seen it in at least 20 years, I realized that its acutually kinda crap, and my nostalgia goggles had got the best of me on that one.
This might blow your mind, but I fixed the airplanes that were in that movie lmao. Like I worked on Chappie's plane. A company I worked for, Top Aces, bought them from Israel, and we fly them to this day as aggressor support.
Oh wow, nice! So cool how they just keep upgrading the old planes with new tech. I've always had a bit of a fascination with fighter planes. Ace combat is one of my favorite game franchises ever. My cousin was a mechanic in the AF too. He was stationed in Alaska for a few years.@@Fortefyre
I spent 3 winters there as well! I was up at Eielson AFB south of Fairbanks, was a really great time!
Secret of mana is a cool action RPG (adaventure) . To me, the major company jrpg i found the most tedious and boring was Xenogears, close : 7th saga (snes ... was normal). and the Wizardry type PC RPGs on NES... can't stand those...Tecmo Secret of the stars is stockholm syndrome since the haracters are cool to collect... Drragon Warior 1 is slow, Final Fantasy 1 crushes it in fun fator (i can play ff1 marathon for fun whenever)
I love Final Fantasy 1, it's a truly wonderful game!
Looking so forward to this! Great list.
Hope you enjoy it!
Final Fantasy 5? How dare you, sir. FF5 is an all time great!
:P
You’re making great content my man. Keep it up
That's very kind of you to say, thank you!
Alright, I'm back.
.Hack- I basically hate any game that relies on AI party members. .Hack is an egregious offender, and it's even worse for.. pretty much every reason you listed. Hell, Id put it higher on the list.
Secret of mana.. see above. AI party members, plus full screen freezes when you cast magic allowing you to chain down bosses, and they can do the same to you. And will. Stupid tiger boss..
Final Fantasy 7- You're a monster, but I also didnt have that problem with the backgrounds. If you press Select that problem goes away, because you can see where the exits are. But people find different things difficult. I am streaming Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth on my channel =D (plugged) I kind of agree with you about Cloud to some point.
Dragon Quest 1- Yeah.. Yeah that's fair, but I also assume its because you didnt play Dragon Quest 2, which was far worse because they made the entire game too EASY, until the final dungeon where suddenly theres like a 15 level differential and you have to grind for like two hours. Dragon Warrior Randomizers are fun though. Its no longer save the princess, get the flute, fight the dragon lord.. in that order.
I actually never played Dark Cloud, but I know it's beloved.
Final Fantasy 2 is the center space on a bingo card of bad JRPGs and red headed step children, along with Zelda 2.
Final Fantasy 5.. I never really had to do much grinding, and ive played it a bunch. But I also play a very specific way and if there IS a class that seems like more trouble than it's worth, like Ranger, I general skip it.
Quest 64: I never played it, specifically because it looks like ASS.
Beyond the Beyond.. Ive never even HEARD of that holy shit.
Digimon World- Every digimon game is a grindy dickfest. Good call. I fucking hate games where the mechanic is "You have to make your units into level 1 units so they can get stronger. Disagea is another one that comes to mind that makes me want to set myself on fire.
Overall.. UNDERSTANDABLE list, but I disagree with a couple, but I cant argue with your points on them because you had problems with them that I didnt. And thats ok. I never beat Top Gun.
I did beat Top Gun, you aren't missing out lmao.
Was about to give you props for Secret of Mana and I can also understand FF7, but you had to ruin it with DQ1 and especially Dark Cloud (every single point you made was objectively wrong).
I don't believe so lol. Weapon Degredation is a padding mechanic, which I can suffer in games, but every single hit damaging a weapon? The thirst mechanic? The N^2 leveling mechanic for newer characters? I made it to the alien area, or that strange level 3 dungeon, and my characters were useless because I needed to go back to the first town to grind up. The building aspect, wasn't so bad, but the economy of the game is dreadful. What are your takes?
@@Fortefyre While not a great mechanic, the weapon degradation becomes a non-issue after just half of the first dungeon. Same with thirst.
Even if you're not lucky in finding a good weapon for new characters you can buy decent ones or even get some really good ones if you 100% the areas. You NEVER have to go back to grind, not that it would even work with how little xp early game enemies give.
You can always damage an enemy with another character first if needed or to upgrade weaker weapons (to get them to +5) switch the weapon right after dealing the killing blow.
The town building is neat, though not as good as in Dark Chronicle as you're rather limited in how you can arrange the stuff.
All the excess money will have its use in the final area where you can buy gems for 3k each.
Ooh, you're gonna be hit on so many watchlists. I commend your opinions tho. I disagree with them, but I won't hate them.
As long as I can fly Spirit lmao.
perfect. This proves that FFX is way better than 7 XD
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aw... sad to hear you didn't enjoy those.
well I understand the Quest 64 one.. ^^, And the Hack one...
.hack has a VERY niche audience it seems lol
I played everyone of these games, I liked most of them but I can understand why you didnt like them
I appreciate that :)
Are you sure you like JRPGs? Because those were some terrible takes (except for the games I haven't played, can't pass judgement on that.)
I'm positive.
Mhmm... Most of them are good... That means everyone has their likes! 😉
Facts!