Well, sorceresses had a bad reputation, and I imagine Seifer still had some dormant protective instincts for his matron, hence the knight fantasy. Can you blame him ? Of all simp villains, he made the most sense to me. I really like Seifer.
The genius foreshadowing here is well hidden in plain sight. Irvine, a well known marksman, struggles with this one target of importance and even seems THANKFUL he didn't get a killshot..... When you find out who Edea truely is and Irvine's history, it all makes sense.
@@scruffyraisin The ending really sells it, Irvine is one of the first ones to greet Edea and Cid at the party and treat them with love and respect unlike his usual aloof self, effectively his adoptive mom and dad. No wonder he couldn't take the shot most likely to kill her, he's the only one that can remember her.
as much hate as FF8 gets, this was such an epic way to end disc 1. Sorceress Edea kicked major ass. Also the "sorceress theme" you knew something insane was coming.
Well it’s one of my favorites of the series, before the upgraded versions, I agree with the disc 1 ending. I hate how slow the battles were, I didn’t like the draw system either. Other than that, the game was great to me. They did take the fantasy part to a whole new level
@@AlexCole272speaking of, I have a different interpretation of the "Ultimacea=Rinoa" and "Squall is dead" theories. I think the first sorceress possessing Edea (when she's wearing that visor and her long hair is lose) isn't Ultimacea, but Adel from a timeline in which she was never released while Ultimacea rules the world below her. Because of this, at the parade, she actually executes Squall (who, in an instinctive moment, puts himself in front of Rinoa to take that icicle to his chest in her place), leaving a traumatized Rinoa's spirit broken, but with a drive to become stronger, a drive that evolves into obessession, creating the very thing Adel sought to destroy, except this time (because I think that timeline had a loop of its own too that changed a little bit every time Adel tried something different in the past), Ultimacea had a goal that went beyond mere revenge against the world that condemmed her once she got her sorceress powers. She now wished to save the only person who never went after her. The only one who didn't lock her in a room for her safety, but instead gave her actual criticism on how she could improve herself. So, in the future (in which most her memory is either gone or twisted by the GF she acquired for herself) using that machine, she took control of Edea away from Adel, resulting in the wardrobe change we witnessed, and in a misguided attempt of both securing her own existance and putting Squall away from harm's way, he aims the attack at Squall himself, creating a new timeline and a new loop. The question now however is: -Was the final scene of her and Squall in the Garden real ? Or was it a fantasy she had, because Squall actually died on her arms at that field, since without most of his memories, he had no real identity to sustain himself ? Needing to see Rinoa one final time simply to be erased in peace ?
@@JabamiLain well, only reason I don’t believe in the squall is dead theory is because when edea came to her senses, She told squall she healed him after the icicle attack.
i don like Irvine until i realize he got mixed feeling about it because he is the only one remember Edea is their Matron.. she took care of them.. but now everyone wants her to die...
Makes sense, given THIS time loop. Not even Rinoa's death will erase the parade or SEEDs from existance. In fact, it's with that notion I have a different interpretation of the "Ultimacea=Rinoa" and "Squall is dead" theories because of this. I think the first sorceress possessing Edea (when she's wearing that visor and her long hair is lose) isn't Ultimacea, but Adel from a timeline in which she was never released while Ultimacea rules the world below her. Because of this, at the parade, she actually executes Squall (who, in an instinctive moment, puts himself in front of Rinoa to take that icicle to his chest in her place), leaving a traumatized Rinoa's spirit broken, but with a drive to become stronger, a drive that evolves into obessession, creating the very thing Adel sought to destroy, except this time (because I think that timeline had a loop of its own too that changed a little bit every time Adel tried something different in the past), Ultimacea had a goal that went beyond mere revenge against the world that condemmed her once she got her sorceress powers. She now wished to save the only person who never went after her. The only one who didn't lock her in a room for her safety, but instead gave her actual criticism on how she could improve herself. So, in the future (in which most her memory is either gone or twisted by the GF she acquired for herself) using that machine, she took control of Edea away from Adel, resulting in the wardrobe change we witnessed, and in a misguided attempt of both securing her own existance and putting Squall away from harm's way, he aims the attack at Squall himself, creating a new timeline and a new loop. The question now however is: -Was the final scene of her and Squall in the Garden real ? Or was it a fantasy she had, because Squall actually died on her arms at that field, since without most of his memories, he had no real identity to sustain himself ? Needing to see Rinoa one final time simply to be erased in peace ?
Never played FF7 but god I absolutelt adore this game and played it day one as a 10 year old and the last time I think I played it I was around 30 and still get an itch to start it again sometimes! unfortunately adulthood gets in the way!
I remember playing this on psone. I had a game shark and instantly leveled everything to max stats. Thought it'd make for intense battles but I just breezed through the game. Limit breaks every single turn.
@@fosphor8920 She did, his aim was dead on. The was another reason he was so hesitant to take the shot and when you find out everything falls into place for him. Something was wrong the moment you met him.
Irvone choking made no sense at all. Such a plot hole. To remedy that and forshadow that horroble plot reveal at the basketball court on disc 2 Irvine shoulda said "I cant do it ok!!?" (Under his breath) "she rasied us" Which wouldve made no sense to the player at that moment but would've made sense after the plot reveal on disc 2 (which I still hate and felt the game didn't even need)
Nobuo is a musical genius. That build up in sync with the cutscene in 1999!
He really is
This Soundtrack is sooo Amazing!
Nobuo Umetsu the 🐐
Weird how quick Seifer goes from alpha bad boy to turbo simp.
I'd simp for that goth mommy too.
Well, sorceresses had a bad reputation, and I imagine Seifer still had some dormant protective instincts for his matron, hence the knight fantasy. Can you blame him ? Of all simp villains, he made the most sense to me.
I really like Seifer.
he missed his mommy edea
Weird, right? I mean, it's not like he wasn't being brainwashed at the same time by Ultimecia.
@@aphrodisiaxe exactly, what are these guys talking about? 😂
It's not a battle against Edea without that jewellery jingle at the start!
The genius foreshadowing here is well hidden in plain sight. Irvine, a well known marksman, struggles with this one target of importance and even seems THANKFUL he didn't get a killshot.....
When you find out who Edea truely is and Irvine's history, it all makes sense.
@@scruffyraisin The ending really sells it, Irvine is one of the first ones to greet Edea and Cid at the party and treat them with love and respect unlike his usual aloof self, effectively his adoptive mom and dad. No wonder he couldn't take the shot most likely to kill her, he's the only one that can remember her.
Then why did Irvine join the battle only 10 minutes after his shot?
@@superking-nicolaslucau7252to make sure Squall wouldn't get himself killed, or that he wouldn't kill her.
“You’re not doing this alone Jon. We got your back!”
Haha nice!
as much hate as FF8 gets, this was such an epic way to end disc 1. Sorceress Edea kicked major ass. Also the "sorceress theme" you knew something insane was coming.
The hate was ridiculous, considering its my favourite ff game
Well it’s one of my favorites of the series, before the upgraded versions, I agree with the disc 1 ending. I hate how slow the battles were, I didn’t like the draw system either. Other than that, the game was great to me. They did take the fantasy part to a whole new level
@@goddesssalem4842I agree. There's too much hate around it. I found it very beautiful and fun.
@@AlexCole272speaking of, I have a different interpretation of the "Ultimacea=Rinoa" and "Squall is dead" theories.
I think the first sorceress possessing Edea (when she's wearing that visor and her long hair is lose) isn't Ultimacea, but Adel from a timeline in which she was never released while Ultimacea rules the world below her.
Because of this, at the parade, she actually executes Squall (who, in an instinctive moment, puts himself in front of Rinoa to take that icicle to his chest in her place), leaving a traumatized Rinoa's spirit broken, but with a drive to become stronger, a drive that evolves into obessession, creating the very thing Adel sought to destroy, except this time (because I think that timeline had a loop of its own too that changed a little bit every time Adel tried something different in the past), Ultimacea had a goal that went beyond mere revenge against the world that condemmed her once she got her sorceress powers. She now wished to save the only person who never went after her. The only one who didn't lock her in a room for her safety, but instead gave her actual criticism on how she could improve herself.
So, in the future (in which most her memory is either gone or twisted by the GF she acquired for herself) using that machine, she took control of Edea away from Adel, resulting in the wardrobe change we witnessed, and in a misguided attempt of both securing her own existance and putting Squall away from harm's way, he aims the attack at Squall himself, creating a new timeline and a new loop. The question now however is:
-Was the final scene of her and Squall in the Garden real ? Or was it a fantasy she had, because Squall actually died on her arms at that field, since without most of his memories, he had no real identity to sustain himself ? Needing to see Rinoa one final time simply to be erased in peace ?
@@JabamiLain well, only reason I don’t believe in the squall is dead theory is because when edea came to her senses, She told squall she healed him after the icicle attack.
No one will forget the legendary Jon
Thank you, thank you 😌
Constantine
the eyes of Edea ! look at this !
As Yes. Jon my favorite FF Protag
You know nothing, Jon Leonhart.
Game of thrones reference, nice 👍
i don like Irvine until i realize he got mixed feeling about it because he is the only one remember Edea is their Matron..
she took care of them..
but now everyone wants her to die...
Even before the Matron bit, I had already tried to understand and relate. Though not an assassin, I thought I knew what he was talking about.
Fun fact did you know that if squall dies at the fight with edea the battle will immediately end
Makes sense, given THIS time loop. Not even Rinoa's death will erase the parade or SEEDs from existance. In fact, it's with that notion I have a different interpretation of the "Ultimacea=Rinoa" and "Squall is dead" theories because of this.
I think the first sorceress possessing Edea (when she's wearing that visor and her long hair is lose) isn't Ultimacea, but Adel from a timeline in which she was never released while Ultimacea rules the world below her.
Because of this, at the parade, she actually executes Squall (who, in an instinctive moment, puts himself in front of Rinoa to take that icicle to his chest in her place), leaving a traumatized Rinoa's spirit broken, but with a drive to become stronger, a drive that evolves into obessession, creating the very thing Adel sought to destroy, except this time (because I think that timeline had a loop of its own too that changed a little bit every time Adel tried something different in the past), Ultimacea had a goal that went beyond mere revenge against the world that condemmed her once she got her sorceress powers. She now wished to save the only person who never went after her. The only one who didn't lock her in a room for her safety, but instead gave her actual criticism on how she could improve herself.
So, in the future (in which most her memory is either gone or twisted by the GF she acquired for herself) using that machine, she took control of Edea away from Adel, resulting in the wardrobe change we witnessed, and in a misguided attempt of both securing her own existance and putting Squall away from harm's way, he aims the attack at Squall himself, creating a new timeline and a new loop. The question now however is:
-Was the final scene of her and Squall in the Garden real ? Or was it a fantasy she had, because Squall actually died on her arms at that field, since without most of his memories, he had no real identity to sustain himself ? Needing to see Rinoa one final time simply to be erased in peace ?
I fuck with this heavy btw@@JabamiLain
@@christopherrainwater991what does that mean ?
@@JabamiLain I like your theory
The 3D CGI is phenomenal man...!
But, I sure wish they were voices in the cutscenes.
2:40 Best Part!
4:45: "I...lost...!?"
Yeah you just stood there doing nothing while Squall repeatedly slashed you
Press r1 for the trigger.
Man that pisses me off
I was waiting for at least one but it never came 🤣
I know.. He did manage to hit one once fighting Edea lol@@FireLordVahn
Hey dude, press the trigger continuously until the sorcerer got shot
This shit need to be remade asap
The boss theme music is perfection 💛💛💛💛💛
Love Jon as the main character lol
At least someone appreciates it 😋
Did you know that Edea was originally supposed to be in FF7 because in the first few seconds of her theme Premonition its the main theme of FF7
My disk 1 broke at this point so I never play disk two before
You never got the digital editions to try and replay the game?
@@Jon2ne1 I just got it for the PS5
Oh dear, mine too!!!
Legendary game. Amazing end to disc one.
Never played FF7 but god I absolutelt adore this game and played it day one as a 10 year old and the last time I think I played it I was around 30 and still get an itch to start it again sometimes!
unfortunately adulthood gets in the way!
you don't know how to trigger squall's gunblade?
I remember playing this on psone. I had a game shark and instantly leveled everything to max stats. Thought it'd make for intense battles but I just breezed through the game. Limit breaks every single turn.
We called you a p*ssy behind your back btw
4:11 ...did...did he name himself after a Bible verse?
Oh, that's just HP 😅
00:15 thriller dance inspiration right there if I ever saw one!
This is why it’s so fun to give the characters different names. It makes it more fun
I'll never forget the way Irvine made me lose all respect for him so early on in the game.
he regained it later for me :D
By calming down from a panic attack and then doing his job perfectly?
I mean he still missed haha
@@Jon2ne1 i think he hit but she got a magic barrier
@@fosphor8920 She did, his aim was dead on. The was another reason he was so hesitant to take the shot and when you find out everything falls into place for him. Something was wrong the moment you met him.
Press R1 to trigger his Squall's Gunblade please. 😢
Please insert disk 2
Yeah yeah haha
Jon…so did you get to be with monica? :D
In the game, yes 😂 As for real life, no 💔
@@Jon2ne1welcome to the gym bro 💪
LOL Irvine shoulda taken lessons off Sniper Wolf 😂
Why you put Irvine through that bud?....
Hey, he volunteered for the mission
Oh right. What a dorko.
Jon Constantine
Imagine Constantine in Final Fantasy though 😂
Imagine Constantine in Final Fantasy though 😂
You didn't hit the trigger on Squalls attacks, just a little frustrating to watch
Edit: Well you got a few
Motores tem bravery e é reaction
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It's such bull that you don't get points for fighting her.
this in remake uff...
Irvone choking made no sense at all. Such a plot hole. To remedy that and forshadow that horroble plot reveal at the basketball court on disc 2 Irvine shoulda said "I cant do it ok!!?" (Under his breath) "she rasied us"
Which wouldve made no sense to the player at that moment but would've made sense after the plot reveal on disc 2 (which I still hate and felt the game didn't even need)
6:24 🎉
Your crush is call Monica? Xd
My first crush and the first girl I ever liked/loved
@@Jon2ne1 awww thats sweat bro, i hope you and she shared many happy memories ♡
I was wondering who Monica was lmao
I always liked that edea and seifer had that you just fucked up look
Monica lol
Irvine is a pretty boy. Need more dog in him lol 😂
One of my favorite scenes is when Rinoa pushed him down the stairs just because he was just acting cool 😂🤣🤣
so Jon.. you are Seifer's 😂
Lol
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Que aburrido jugar sin invocar a los GF
Please insert disk 2