AoE2: DE Campaigns | Joan of Arc | 6. A Perfect Martyr
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- You could say the death of Joan only further... ignited the passion of the French army ;)
In this scenario, following the untimely execution of Joan by the English, you must drive out your enemies from France once and for all. After assembling a large post-Imp army, you need to secure a base by recquisitioning the nearby Burgundian town. From there, you need to get your eco up and running ASAP, while simultaneously driving off Shrewsburry and finishing-off Burgundy. Once you do that and survive the initial English assault, then you can proceed to deliver the French flag to Castillon!
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By the time I can even somewhat replace my original army English and burgundy are sending an absolute onslaught. I can’t get passed this one.
Same here, wish i could finish the campaign :(
@@chennessycomposer did you do what ornlu did? be aggresive after you take over purple's bases? i think this scenario force france to attack north and south bases early
This is the first time I see someone make Jean Bureau survive while on the frontline.
Oh, bombard cannons can be better - just not when you have 4 cannons, and they have 40 longbowmans...
The English started attacking on DE by the time I’d done orange, that’s where the main difficulty change is
Good trick for this level is to set up a logging camp with your villigars in the top of the map asap. This keeps them out of the way whilst you attack the first stronghold and youll end up with about 2000 wood by the time you take over and build a town center.
Thanks for this video. I was getting crushed by the Shrew & Burgundy. They just kept coming from the north & south endlessly. I thought i had time to get my base up & running first so seeing you continue on to the north and then south was what i needed to do.
This was me I changed my game plan an threw down a castle quick to defend an they just let me build up barely and boom ended me. I'm just now playing on Xbox off game pass so I'm just like 👀 I use to play these games all the time my favorite was and will always be PlayStation warcraft though so much variety.
What did Jeanne d'arc say before her death ? "Vous ne m'avez pas cru, vous m'aurez cuite". It's a french joke because cru = believe but also raw so if we translate, it can be "You did not believe me/you did not have me raw, you will have me cooked".
Sacre bleu
Thanks for the help on this mission, I didn't realise how 1 sided the fight was if you have all 3 armies against you, I thought I could castle in the first village but it was just a brutal slog that you eventually lose, going on the offensive helps so much.
La Hire´s full name was Étienne de Vignolles, and he indeed was a french Knight
You made it look so easy to deafeat this level
it's quite easy when you know what to do just obliterate shrewsbury and burgundy early on
@@24SparrowJack u talk as if everyone lives in their mom's basement honing their army micro and macros like you. I'm 1500 elo & can clap u any day any civ mate. This campaign is no where near easy for beginners on hard diff so pls stfu with all you BS kiddo.
It may not look like it in the video, but on hard difficulty in DE, the first 10-15 minutes of this scenario are incredibly tough and your macro and micro game will be exposed if you get it wrong. It is imperative that you use your starting army to take out at least Shrewsbury and ideally Burgundy as well. If you don't, or are too slow, you will be trebbbbbbbbed OUT and overwhelmed by the numbers of the enemies.
To be honest, I did it by slowing down the game. I know, it's cheap, but heh. The mission is probably even harder now that Burgundy is its own civ with a completely OP unique unit.
@@ArmandDupin It isn't cheap, the scenario is cheap. I'm going to try slowing the game down to see if I can beat it that way.
EDIT: You can't change Campaign game speed apparently. I'm fucked, I'll never beat this mission.
@@moppypuppy781 You can, you just need to change the speed in the options before you start the mission. I'm playing on Normal (1.7) speed, same as Ornlu.
When I did it recenty the ai doesn't try destroying castles in a smart way. If you take out orange town center and manage to hunt down his vills before 15 or 20 minute mark where red and purple start attacking. Purple only builds halberdier/Champion and monks so getting a castle will make him suicide all his army.
@@justwatching1996 I have not done it since they introduced the Burgundian civ! so I am likely wayyy behind. I mean, at that point Bari 4 and Bayinnaung 5 had yet to be nerfed among others lol. I should really do this again. It is such a classic
Hard Campaign. In my playthrough I like to lower /minimize my losses. But not in this one. Thanks for showing me a better methode.
Taking out Shrewsbury and the burgundies helps a lot. 👍
Thanks man, I combined your playthrough strategy with that of Vanle3's playthrough and finally beat the mission.
It was by far the ugliest thing, I wish I had recorded it because my casualties were relatively low.
I had a base at the start like Vanle3 did and a base in each of the former enemy bases which I cleared as you did, I converted cannon galleons to clear a path for a heavy cavalry assault to the South.
Same here, before i watched this, i was walling myself in and couldnt win
OMFG. I SPENT A WEEK DYING ON THIS CAMPAIGN!! Biggest pissoff ever! Watched this vid ONCE and GAMED IT HARD WON!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
when i did this, after taking out orange early on, i just set up my base up there, much easier to defend in the corner of the map and hold off from those little packs that would attack, and it let me just turtle into being more powerful than anyone else
The scenario units seem to have changed: purple does not have axemen but does have 5 or 6 monks, atleast 3 canons, i think 8 or more coustillier and still the crossbow armada. Especially the cavalry makes it insanely hard to micromanage through it without heavy losses. I am really stuck trying to get through this one on hard because of that.
That's the easy part, the first English attack with 5-8 trebs, 3 galleons, 1 cannon galleon and like 50 longbowmen feels impossible to defend against because they attack at the 15-20 minute mark when you don't have a proper economy set up yet so you can't even train units to defend against.
8:43 that TC is there because Ornlu arrived so "late".
In this mission the enemy start to build up at the start of the game, they don't wait for the player to get their base first
Now, of course they make it sound like that the hundred years war ended immediately after her death and this is not the case at all.
The battle of Castillon isn't actually that much related to Joan... And by the way the whole plot of this campaign is so historically unaccurate X) Lot of French nationalist tropes instead
Can't wait to do this mission again with coustilliers that will one-shot ranged units and artillery.
That's what different. Jesus christ I'm having a hell of a time keeping my initial army numbers up in this mission now that they added those cavalry units to the enemy's roster.
@@Anon-yz1xr Coustilliers have been nerfed heavily, but they still hit hard. The beginning of the mission can be annoying, especially if you intend to keep enough units to take on Burgundy or Orange immediately.
I took out purple first since they do not have coustilliers in the South, so while taking the first base I used cavalry to wipe out at South. Then attacked orange and only had british to worry about
Ornlu: La Hire wasn't a real person
Me: n..nn..noo, you're lieing, take it back, please take it back...
I thought he meant Guy Josselyne
@@SM-bb4hx I made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement, and I don't expect to be forgiven. I'm simply here to apologize
Yeah La Hire Was a real person. As someone else pointed out, I was referring to Guy Josselyne (who is the fictional narrator of the campaign)
Awesome vid. Really enjoyed your commentary about the whole scenario and how you should play it. Haven't beaten this level yet, I tried once and gave up as I got completely overwhelmed after taking Burgandy, talk about a difficulty spike. But I think I have a much better chance after this video.
I stupid kiddy as I was, as I played this in the conquerors, I didn't listen to anything the people said so I didn't take burgundy out and made a base in orange. I just destroyed the keeps and tried to finish. And I even won, if it wasn't for MY OWN BOMBARD CANNON FRIENDLY FIRING MY CART. I WOULD HAVE WON. from there I never touched this campaign again. And yes, I come from the time where bleda still was a melee mangudai. Yes, really, he had the attack animation of a mangudai. But had no range. And he didn't shoot an arrow. Yeah
What I wanted to add: because I was a noobie, I always came up with ideas to kinda cheese the campaigns or at least make them easier. For example in black guards (El cid) I put all my vills on the stone in the base to build a castle at the spot between the big yellow city and Yusuf (green) near the water to destroy all docks. It even worked the second time :D
3:10 since La Hire had just spoke I thought he was the one you were saying wasn't a real person lol. I was like "Ornlu you know WAY too much about history to think La Hire wasn't real.
I don't understand why you're not getting swarmed by endless Longbowman at the start.
Why didn't the monks convert all your Paladins?
Where were the enemy Onagers?
Can you explain the initial battle, please? I end up losing most of my army. You didn't lose any units.
I understand you. Ornlu played this before the Lords of the West DLC (Burgundians were then in fact Franks) and the English made the initial assault at the same time Ornlu was bringing down the Burgundians, which caused the English army to scatter trying to pursue Ornlu. On top of that, over a year span, AOE2 received hefty updates, changing AI behaviour.
However, the same principle still follows. If you can withstand the initial English rush, you will semi-win the game. Afterwards, I applied hit-and run tactics on English Towers, which happened to attract their newly trained units, hurting their economy and severely hindering their upgrades (be it attack or armor). If you keep hitting with the Paladins and Cannons, they become more "prone" to training Longbowmen and Cavaliers to catch up.
I hope that helps.
@@Barzonius I beat it a few weeks ago using a four base strategy. One base at the army start point, another at Shrewsbury, one at South Burgundy, and one in Central Burgundy.
I was attempting to cheese the mission by sparing the Burgundy TC *but that no longer works* and the English attack anyway.
Luckily, like you wrote the English didn't know where to concentrate forces because I was so spread out.
Cannon galleons were attacking my base and I converted them with monks and used them to roll up the English riverside defenses.
Unfortunately, I can't control 4 bases at once, and by the time I made enough Paladins to go on the offensive, I was slowly losing all 4 bases.
I used the Cannon Galleons to bust a sizable hole in Castillon's southern wall and then stormed the place after I remembered the point of the mission was just to plant the flag.
I ran the flag to the hill with all interior defenses still intact.
I honestly wish I would have recorded it.
Full disclosure, I save scummed but never had to load once.
@@moppypuppy781 how in the heck oyu get gold for monks in that small time?
@@alwaysangry2232 Shrewsbury is a gold mine.
Thank you soo much!. Because of you I was able to win this scenario finally!. I had to use my initial army against orange, and then was able to build my base at burgundy old place and from there conquer burgundy and eventually the english.!English.!. Thank you :)
You're a very good AoE player , man
When i tried it i get so much more resistance. Hard to take 1st town without severe losses.
Really? That's the easy part for me, after taking the town is when I get my ass kicked hard.
@@Ratciclefan same here.
I finally completed this scenario some time ago. The tip I was given was defeating Burgundy (south of red) first, then I defeated red. Didn't even have to battle orange.
So far I have found the constant heavy cavalry harassment of the English to the north too much to handle. Taking the first town has become relatively easy at least. Burgundy are too spread out to go after atm.
No civ has FU Paladin, Arbs and Champions. Magyars is the closest one on this, missing only last armor for Infantry and Squires. Next is Byzantine I guess, missing bloodline and Blast Furnace. BTW these are the only 2 civ that has both Paladin and Arbs.
@@mangonel Yeah, you are right. Actually I was prioritizing the units first.
You are mistaken! La Hire was a REAL person. He is mentioned in Joan's biography.
I love this scenario.
A perfect martyr
The Lion and the demon.
Into China.
I prefer attack south Burgandy first and take center Burgandy after. It's more easy to manage the battle.
Playing on Xbox and it’s really hard for precision but still enjoying it.
Amazing. I see you do all the upgrade before you grew any military unit, is it because you are confident that you could hold enemies off with the original army?
I only just now realized I've been getting ripped off on campaign ending cutscenes lol. I get kicked straight to the menu when I win. They really need to add the ability to watch the slideshow's after you finish a campaign, but, I'll just go through your videos (again) and watch them that way.
I just picked this up for xbox like 5 days ago, also my first RTS. It's pretty tough on controller and I have gotten slaughtered on this mission like 4 days in a row now, but now I realize from this video, that I just waited to long, Letting burgandy and the yellow team build up there offense too much. Nooby me built up a defense at that first TC spot and walled it off lmao, stupid I know now.
I did the same bro dont feel bad
I just realized in this video that they added a little shining animation to the gold. I wish they hadn't done that, it looks a little dumb. They didn't even make the animation loop properly. Apparently, it's easy enough to miss though seeing as I only just now noticed it so...
Can’t you go to the south and avoid Burgundy altogether? I remember there was a way to win this one really quickly that way
I always keep cannon units on do nothing stance aside from specifically attacking what I tell them, using them with your army does just as much if not MORE damage to your own units. Atleast that's been my experience.
you can also, build a dock. transport over the river near Shrewsbury and sneak from behind in the English base. 15 min gg
Yeah ! I did the same when i was playing this campaign for the first time but later i played all campaigns as Death Match Scenario .
I did the same when I was a kid :)
I used to wipe whole enemy color from the map when i was a kid😂
every time i try this, they snipe the flag :(
Not anymore. At least not on hard. There are fucktons of scorpions guarding the flag now.
The English attack few minutes after taking the burgundian town
_"she avoided all the cunning traps of her prosecutors"_ - how'd the French guy know though 🤔🤔
The audio cut completely for me when I played this. There seems to be some bug in the mission.
Can you please do this mission again since it changed?
Agree, on hard difficulty now, it seemed impossible, after taking down centre purple town and north orange town, I didn't have much units left to defend against waves and waves of army English sent my way. There is no simply no breathing room to build up!
@@Wingmaker101 I played it the other day, I took out shrewsbury first and then played defensively until I could take out burgundy. They don't really do much anyhow.
@@Greatkingrat88 U must've played on easy lol.
@@zerrkamph2180 No I played the mission on Hard, I do all my campaigns at the highest dif.
1st time with out the video i got washed bad - 2nd. I somehow lost track of my cart and had just about beat it. Then poof they claimed my trade cart. 😭 though I came back the 3rd time an smacked em so badly.(the ships never even went after my guys at purplr i built the wall a little longer an they hyper focused it. I just dont know the strategies on this game yet I'm learning though. So thank you for this 🙏😂
This scenario is very inaccurate. Burgundy should be you ally by this time. That's why the English was defeated because of the combined force of Burgundians and French. And then La Hire should be dead by that time. The battle of Castillion happened around 20 years after Joan's death and should have nothing about Joan. They did not capture Castillion for Joan but for the king.
Then what? This game already exist from 25 years ago... Just enjoy it dude, your comment cannot change the game campaign unless you come to bill gates.
@@barberbuzzmusic6852 That just a note for history lovers. There are people who "just enjoy" that too.
@@barberbuzzmusic6852 You do realize Bill Gates doesn't overview every little thing that happens at Microsoft right? You would actually need to see the lead designer for the game, the owner of the game studio, or the publishing team.
You know if you wanted to you could recreate the scenario to be more historically accurate. I just think the thought was that it would feel very out of place for the finale to have nothing to do with the rest of the campaign.
Holy cow! Before the main English attack, you took out Orange and Burgundy. That is impressive efficient gameplay man!!
This one took several hours to complete! I only could take out Shrewsbury. I just could not deal with the initial massive English attack of Longbows, Treb, Cavalier, Onager.
I just abandoned the center area and went to 'Shrewbury' area, destroyed them, walled up and boomed there.
But even then there were constant attacks by Bugundy with monks, Infantry and english ofcourse. There was that pesky Cannon Galleon! So frustrating! It was a struggle to even maintain the walls!
Once it was comfortable then i went back to center area and had an army of 25 Cav Archers (to counter the pesky longbowmen), Throwing Axemen (for knights) and lots of Light Cavalry and Siege.
That was enough to take down Burgundy and finally the English.
What a story and campaign! That brings an end to my campaign playthrough. Have enjoyed watching all your videos on all campaigns. Keep up the good work.
I will move on to Historic campaign series before the new DLCs now.
This level is so changed from what it used to be in the og. I used to cheese this back in the day.
Hopefully this will help as i have been getting butchered no matter what i do plus you do things so fast on PC, i am light years behind on the Xbox
I do not understand. They must have improved the AI or changed the map since you played it, because now the English attack in full force much earlier. I can knock out either Burgundy or Shrewsbury in the same time you did, but then the English attack and it's pretty much GG as it's a 2v1. If I go for Burgundy I have to fight enemies from two sides, with Shrewsbury spamming knights and trebs, or alternatively if I go for Shrewsbury I have to face endless streams of halberds and monks. Not to mention all the trebs and longbows the English deploy.
Yes. I. I don't know what is worse.
Wait, so Guy Josseline is the narrator? Lmao. I never realized that all this time
I did not take the battle to the English.... I just took the easy way.... Used petards and cleared the towers and broke the walls near the flag and sent the trade cart right in....
After I take over the first town, i have literally one minute before I get spammed by all three enemies untill I have nothing left. how do you not have that?
Ive been trying to beat this on just standard, any tips? Trying to take out the other guys first but they always end up reducing my army to nothing....
If you are on console play it super slow
I did it again after the video and flubbed up and had my trade cart in the army mix 🤣🤣🤣 so I lost it. The second time I smashed the enemies so bad even the English an I did it about as quickly. Yellow first and then straight after don't trigger the English yet go far right and down towards the purple.
You want to keep a constant eye on the cannon guys and your other whatever their called haha 😂. An make sure your army protects them an doesn't run too far into battle. I was even more cautious than him.
After you finish yellow an are on the move to purple a good thing to do is build that wall so the ships get stuck to shooting it. Then you can take your army down to purple and take everything down an you get to keep most of them if you play slow an protect your cannons and catapults(I can't remember the name on the game). I also built a castle on my left side to deal with English an an a wall as well there
Oof I wrote a lot but ya durning all this do what he does. Upgrade chilvary and at least your two stables and your rams that's all I did. An maybe their attacks and armor along the way
My dumb ass took out purple right away and left orange alone for a while, going after them first is defiantly the play. Seeing all the gold they had just makes me sad I wasted so much time on this map with a worse strategy, I was still able to finish it but 14 gold patches would have been a huge help for building paladins.
Hi @Ornlu The Wolf!
It seems the gameplay has been updating for this mission, I can't win this one at all on Hard, by the time I pick either Shrewsbury or Burgundy to attack first, the others start non-stop attacking ...
Even the timer of when the English will attack you seems to have changed also.
Can you try this one once again maybe?
Wow this is quite hard.
dang. you made it look like beating Burgundy is easy :/
if I just remember the hours I wasted when I was a kid...
Ah. Castillon, the final battle of the Hundred years war. One of two major battles of the years 1453. Both battle prove one points: gunpowder fucked knights and walls very very hard.
Yeah. Its because of the Burgundians. The Burgundians allied with French and likely helped the French with the use of Greek Fire and Gunpowder that British did not acquire during the Anglo-Burgundian Alliance.
@@nemiejaugan636 No wonder the Britons have little to no gunpowder in this timeframe. When is the first time they have access to it?
@@nemiejaugan636 The Burgundians stayed neutral during the end of the HYW. They certainly didn't go out of their way to help France defeat the English, even though they were still (nominaly) vassals of the French king. As a matter of fact, I can't remember a single occurence of a battle between English and Burgundians after the treaty of Troyes. The treaty of Arras didn't even ask them to help defeat the English, just to stay neutral. Philippe le Bon, the Duke of Burgundy, had likely given up on his dynasty's dream of ruling France from the shadows, so he turned his attention toward the low-countries and the roman empire. All he wanted was to get out of the shitshow in France to expand his domains elsewhere.
I've never heard that the Burgundians knew how to produce or use greek-fire, and I highly doubt they did. How? Why? The dukedom had very little ties with what was left of the Byzantine empire. Even the few Burgundians who somehow made it back alive from the Nicopolis crusade never reached Constantinopolis.
Lastly, Burgundy wasn't known for its use of artillery and gunpowder and certainly didn't have an edge over France on that front. France's king Charles VII was the only ruler in Europe rich enough to field dozens of artillery pieces on a battlefield in the 1450's. He didn't need Burgundy's help, and Burgundy didn't give any.
ok, not really sure wtf is going on but my game is completely different than yours. maybe it's an update of something but as soon as I defeat burgundy, the british constantly attack with 3 trebs, 10-14 archers and 10 paladins. constantly... i don't have enough time to build an economy and get upgrades.
It's because new DLC. Civilization France was changed to Burgundy. Did you completely destroy Burgundians immediately at the beginning of the game?
I have a solution for you
You will need a town hall
and type "how do you turn this on" in the chat box
I didn’t get any resources in the start
I have such a hard time with this.
Am I the only one that sets hussars in defensive stance since they get me crazy with escaping?
Why so many town centres can someone tell me please??
Do the British (red) have infinite resources? Longbowmen and trebuchets are real pain in the ***, trying to defend my own castles, even have no time to think about attack... But well, it's Hard difficulty... (didn't notice big difference w moderate in previous scenarious of Joan of Arc)
Well, when I had bigger army again - about 30 paladins and few trebuchets it was not so bad, I used my trebuchets as bait for AI trebuchets btw.
Not infinite, but they start with several mines of gold, just like the other 2 civs
They changed this mission the enlgish atack verry fast with longbowman trebuched and scorpions
Did they attack you after destroying Burgundy TC in the north walled area.
@@haridevks4855 Around the 20 minute mark.
@@kingpietro1279 Having a tough time with the purples and Shrewsbury ones. I think the key is to defeat them earlier.
@@haridevks4855 FIgured out how to defeat the initial atack don't built close to the walls or they destroy the castles with trebuched they will try to come closer and you can snipe the trebuched after that its easy to defend.
I've been trying in hard mode but I keep losing ffs
Yes, audio is weird there for me as well
Wall the land bridge and that should give you some rest from the English
What's the difficulty? Because I had very difficult time on Hard level.
it´s on hard. you can see it at the top next to the time.
You could have taken out the monks ASAP when you knew they were attempting to convert.
It made no sense to me.
Also, why didn’t you use throwing axemen. They are very strong from what I have seen of them.
And another thing, I think you would’ve had a better chance of winning this conquest if you attacked the English Stronghold from the Shrewsbury side.
I saw the least resistance from down there.
Trebing through the north is easier
I don't understand what the f@ck kind of hero is this Jean Bureau! He is inferior in almost all stats to the normal bombard cannon. What's the point in having a hero when normal units are better than him?
the audio messes up when you click too much
Joan of Arc is a forgettable campaign, but this mission is memorable...for it's awful design that is.
another trick instead of moving 1 big army, you can split 2 canon for the no castle camp and 3 cannon and treb for the castle camp, you'll save more time for prep until red attack