My man, I sat down last night and beatboxed for 10 mins. I now have a complete song, thanks to this tutorial and a bout of creative passion. I soooooo needed this sub tool, and now I'm for sure going to do a deep dive into what you got goin' on!
Andrew! I just want to let you know that its not possible to buy any of your products through the Gumroad page for me. I also tried on a different card from a friend and i get the same error message. I tried talking to the customer service but nothing seems to happen.
The "Basic Sub Sine" (named HipHop Bass prior to Live 11) preset that comes with Live is also pretty good . I tend to use that if I just want a quick sub bass to throw into a project.
Thanks for the tip. The presenter's plug-in did not work for me, so I will try your suggestion. "Simply drag the .adg file into Ableton" is not good enough...in the Program folder? Audio Effect Racks folder? "Distortion" folder? None of those worked after a rescan in Preferences.
I just downloaded this and donated. Then I compared it to the free built in "Basic sub sine" and the basic sub sine is waaaayyy better, and its way better for all the things this plugin is trying to achieve.
@@Its3am The "Hip-Hop Sub Bass" preset apparently was so popular that they even restored it in a recent update of Live 11 even though "Basic Sub Sine" is exactly or almost exactly the same preset. It does provide nice ranges to tweak the sounds with.
I'm glad you added the "the magic is in the midrange, get that right and everything else will fall into place" has revolutionized both my sound design and mixing, after 13 years in ableton and 26 as a musician. I love throwing EQ3 on the master with the lows and highs turned off (just as a reference) to see how just the mids sound, check my levels, tweak things (and only make boosts or cuts in that 200hz-4k range) and then turn it off and hear the magic work.
This is DOPE. I was just last night saying how bass was way more complex than I first realised, and now you've blown it open for me to understand :) gonna get that plugin
It's good to have a lot of tools in your arsenal as a producer. For some songs, a basic sine will be enough, for others you might need this, or something completely different.
Awesome explanation of bass. Only other plugin I've encountered handling sub in a similar fashion is Waves' MaxxBass, but your Rack has more controls that make sense to me! Thanks for the freebie! Love the tutorials AND your music!
Aliasing distortion is inharmonic to the original signal and is often called foldback distortion because it happens when you try and sample a frequency above nyquist. What your experiencing with the comp control is just a variation of waveshaping… compression itself always adds 3rd order harmonics but fast attack and release times make it more like a clipper. If it wasn’t multiband, then its possible IMD (Inter modulation distortion) could be introduced, but its definitely just more harmonics from reshaping low frequencies and not aliasing by any means. Cool rack tho, nice work.
Excellent presentation. Maybe you will offer some tips on what I consider the most challenging task an audio engineer faces--so very few master--and that is mixing down tracks without blending. Separation of voices and instruments to me is the mark of a skilled engineer, where three or more voices are featured up front without competing against each other. Many producers limit the number of instruments to avoid blending ("muddy" sound). A good example of a professional mix is Katy Perry's "Roar," wherein each voice is distinct, party due to choice of instruments but also management of sound.
Thanks for this! Just grabbed it and can't wait to put it t use! Been looking for some god Live tutorials and i really like the way you present yours. Well done and thx again. Subbed and following.
Love what you're cooking. I got myself a copy to use to explain this to my students because it's so clear cut. I've been using Wavetable and Serum for sub bass for so long I forgot how awesome and straightforward Operater is. Thanks!
hey ! great video thanks. Unfortunately this add-on is not for me because ableton live suite is needed to get the operator. live standard is not enough.
Thanks so much for sharing the rack and making the video! Super helpful. A lot of instructors I have had suggest to leave the sub as a pure sine wave, without any kind of distortion or saturation, and then layer from there. They say that adding any distortion/saturation will only make the sub frequencies feel weaker. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Glad you you made this since others like myself have been troubleshooting this issue. I think there is a typo on the rack for "Harmonics". Great work, thanks so much for your knowledge.
Thanks for this: really like your tutorials. I always try to make things as simple as possible without dumbing down-that’s exactly what I get from your stuff. Great work mate!
A fantastic explanation of how sub bass can 'appear' to translate to systems not able to reproduce the same. Is anyone aware of a similar tool for Bitwig?
What I don’t understand is, the sub bass in the example had frequencies that reach into to typical bass frequencies. Wouldn’t that create a clash and thus a muddy mix when sun bass and bass compete for the same range?
I've sorted this out and have been messing around with it it for months now. It's opened up a can of worms. So many questions. How does one use this along with a bassline in the higher frequencies without overlap and resulting buildup? Simple on its own, but how do you use it in a track along with other low freq parts? Treat it as a separate thing when the added high harmonics reach up into the 'bass' freq range?
@@MP_Soundbox EQ out the frequencies that are clashing/masking. Ideally your other instruments shouldn’t have sub, and your sub’s bass/low mids should make room for other instruments (rule of thumb, not absolute). Basically everything needs some space which you can carve out through EQ.
There are filter circuits on devices that make sound, so no matter how low or high you go on the frequency, the onboard filter is going to keep the speaker from blowing. Good expensive earphones can get down to 40hz, but the vast majority its 60hz to 20Khz. If I am making a song specifically to be played live on large speakers, I would add some sub base. For the average audio device, anything below 60hz is just going to get trimmed off by the filter circuit.
Very cool, any chance of an audio effect rack version? I know some of the things like 'Octave' wouldn't work but a lot of it would, and then I could drop it on existing sub tracks that use Serum or other synths.
Very interesting! By the way, not sure if somebody else mentioned already since it's 9 months old (although it's also in the screenshot on the site where you can download it), but I noticed a typo on one of the controls when watching the video: "Harnmonics" (the n as 4th letter).
hi , ur pluggin is made for live 11 suite , i only have 11 standard , could you tell me what is behind the macro to try to make this pluggin with what I have, thanks.
I tried this on ableton 12 and im running into an issue that when i put this instrument i cannot add anything else besides audio effects. when i try to add an operator, the operator replaces subs you can hear and vice versa and since subs you can hear doesnt output any sound, i cannot do anything with it
I found it! So if somebody has the same problem: you have 8 tabs in operator (4 left and 4 right), you need 2nd right tab from bottom (where you have pitch, spread, transpose). Click here and in the center of operator screen you can find glide on bottom right corner.
Great video!! This is something I've been curious about since, while I love them, the Yahama HS5s don't exactly make it easy to hear these sub freqs naturally haha. Initially, I also ran into an error on Gumroad that wouldn't let me pay for it, but when I downloaded it for free it worked! lol. Still wanna tip you for this at least, is there a way I can do that other than through Gumroad? :)
so...as promised when you enabled the filter I was able to hear the bass line on my phone. but when you "scooped" it out it became completely inaudible again...
Is there any way to install or copy the plugin file to Ableton Live to have it ready to use in Ableton left menu? Or there's only available to drop it from outside folder? EDIT: Ok I know how, it's just my un-knowledge, just learning :P
There's links to my music with my band Papadosio and my solo music EartuCry in the description under all the videos on this channel my guy. My main occupation is touring which is why I don't post as often as other channels.
Technically, it would be correct to have a bass and add a sub to it. Why do the opposite? Bass will takes the space let’s say above 100 hz and you don’t have care too much will it be audible or not, because it is audible already :) Having two layers gives more control, you can actually add anything on the bass, even a bit more stereo, without worrying about doing something wrong with the sub
You can grab the "Subs You Can Hear" device here: seedtostage.gumroad.com/l/lmfge
My man, I sat down last night and beatboxed for 10 mins. I now have a complete song, thanks to this tutorial and a bout of creative passion. I soooooo needed this sub tool, and now I'm for sure going to do a deep dive into what you got goin' on!
Thanks for making this tutorial and this tool available! Put another piece of the puzzle together today
nice rack. Good job
Andrew! I just want to let you know that its not possible to buy any of your products through the Gumroad page for me. I also tried on a different card from a friend and i get the same error message. I tried talking to the customer service but nothing seems to happen.
yeah its literally the GOAT for 808s and sub bass
The "Basic Sub Sine" (named HipHop Bass prior to Live 11) preset that comes with Live is also pretty good . I tend to use that if I just want a quick sub bass to throw into a project.
Thanks for the tip. The presenter's plug-in did not work for me, so I will try your suggestion. "Simply drag the .adg file into Ableton" is not good enough...in the Program folder? Audio Effect Racks folder? "Distortion" folder? None of those worked after a rescan in Preferences.
@@TheBinaryWolf You also have to unzip the zip file.
@@theoppositeistrue Thanks.
I just downloaded this and donated. Then I compared it to the free built in "Basic sub sine" and the basic sub sine is waaaayyy better, and its way better for all the things this plugin is trying to achieve.
@@Its3am The "Hip-Hop Sub Bass" preset apparently was so popular that they even restored it in a recent update of Live 11 even though "Basic Sub Sine" is exactly or almost exactly the same preset. It does provide nice ranges to tweak the sounds with.
I'm glad you added the "the magic is in the midrange, get that right and everything else will fall into place" has revolutionized both my sound design and mixing, after 13 years in ableton and 26 as a musician. I love throwing EQ3 on the master with the lows and highs turned off (just as a reference) to see how just the mids sound, check my levels, tweak things (and only make boosts or cuts in that 200hz-4k range) and then turn it off and hear the magic work.
Also - put an EQ8 on the master and cut everything above 100/200 to zoom in on how the low end works....
This mans "hastily made dub jam" is much better than the track I spent one year making lol
Why would you spend a year working on one song? Fail faster, grow faster.
This is DOPE. I was just last night saying how bass was way more complex than I first realised, and now you've blown it open for me to understand :) gonna get that plugin
It's good to have a lot of tools in your arsenal as a producer. For some songs, a basic sine will be enough, for others you might need this, or something completely different.
Awesome explanation of bass. Only other plugin I've encountered handling sub in a similar fashion is Waves' MaxxBass, but your Rack has more controls that make sense to me! Thanks for the freebie! Love the tutorials AND your music!
Aliasing distortion is inharmonic to the original signal and is often called foldback distortion because it happens when you try and sample a frequency above nyquist. What your experiencing with the comp control is just a variation of waveshaping… compression itself always adds 3rd order harmonics but fast attack and release times make it more like a clipper. If it wasn’t multiband, then its possible IMD (Inter modulation distortion) could be introduced, but its definitely just more harmonics from reshaping low frequencies and not aliasing by any means. Cool rack tho, nice work.
Thankyou this is my new 'go to' sub 😁
Excellent presentation. Maybe you will offer some tips on what I consider the most challenging task an audio engineer faces--so very few master--and that is mixing down tracks without blending. Separation of voices and instruments to me is the mark of a skilled engineer, where three or more voices are featured up front without competing against each other.
Many producers limit the number of instruments to avoid blending ("muddy" sound). A good example of a professional mix is Katy Perry's "Roar," wherein each voice is distinct, party due to choice of instruments but also management of sound.
getting back into production, thank you so much for this, possibly the best Ableton video I've ever seen :)
Big thanks man! I'm gonna try this little guy tonight :) All the best.
the BEST sub bass tutorial ive seen! it answwered so many questions
Very helpful rack! I use it all the time to make low-end audible on all devices. Saturation is so important.
Thanks for this! Just grabbed it and can't wait to put it t use! Been looking for some god Live tutorials and i really like the way you present yours. Well done and thx again. Subbed and following.
Love what you're cooking. I got myself a copy to use to explain this to my students because it's so clear cut. I've been using Wavetable and Serum for sub bass for so long I forgot how awesome and straightforward Operater is. Thanks!
hey ! great video thanks. Unfortunately this add-on is not for me because ableton live suite is needed to get the operator. live standard is not enough.
love it. I added some vinyl distortion to it and it pops even more
Really appreciate you teaching and speaking about frequencies a lot in relation to your technique!
Thanks so much for sharing the rack and making the video! Super helpful.
A lot of instructors I have had suggest to leave the sub as a pure sine wave, without any kind of distortion or saturation, and then layer from there. They say that adding any distortion/saturation will only make the sub frequencies feel weaker. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Imwanted to donate something but I don’t have a credit card…
Thank you for the gift and the lessons, I am learning a lot fro you!
Bought it and can’t wait to play around with it later! Thank you!
Glad you you made this since others like myself have been troubleshooting this issue. I think there is a typo on the rack for "Harmonics". Great work, thanks so much for your knowledge.
I'm gonna give this a shot.. great video detailing the fundamentals thank you.. nice studio setup.. btw
thank you sir..one of the best gifts i got for music production..keep up the good work
Really cool video mate.... Can't wait to see what's inside the rack and how it works!
Amazing job with every single video! Keep it up!
Downloaded your rack - Thank you.
Thanks for this appreciate you passing the knowledge along.
Thanks for the tutorial and the free effect rack - very comprehensive and generous!
This is amazing, thank you for the in depth tutorial and Ableton device! We’re not worthy. 🙏 😊
Thanks for this: really like your tutorials. I always try to make things as simple as possible without dumbing down-that’s exactly what I get from your stuff. Great work mate!
Amazing, just what I was looking for.
Great tutorial and awesome tool. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
4:03 I actually start to hear the sub bass on my laptop speakers!
Great stuff, just subbed! Jk I was already subbed but now I’m even more subbed.
You are the man Anthony, thanks !
This is a awesome device! Dude that SG on your wall is SICK! Can you take a picture of it?
A fantastic explanation of how sub bass can 'appear' to translate to systems not able to reproduce the same.
Is anyone aware of a similar tool for Bitwig?
I love Harnmonics
Harnmnmonicsnm
"These harmonics may seem strange to you, that's because they're odd harmonics"
Nice one.
What I don’t understand is, the sub bass in the example had frequencies that reach into to typical bass frequencies. Wouldn’t that create a clash and thus a muddy mix when sun bass and bass compete for the same range?
Thank you!!!
Downloading now! Thank you
Super Stuff. Thank you.
thanks a lot, best videos on the web for ableton! Donation is done ;)
Man, thanks for explaining this! So excited to put the advice to use. Downloaded the preset, but Live thinks it's broken : (
you're not alone it doesn't work for me as well guess i'll just stick to doing the changes on my subbass manually like i normally do
I've sorted this out and have been messing around with it it for months now. It's opened up a can of worms. So many questions. How does one use this along with a bassline in the higher frequencies without overlap and resulting buildup? Simple on its own, but how do you use it in a track along with other low freq parts? Treat it as a separate thing when the added high harmonics reach up into the 'bass' freq range?
@@MP_Soundbox EQ out the frequencies that are clashing/masking. Ideally your other instruments shouldn’t have sub, and your sub’s bass/low mids should make room for other instruments (rule of thumb, not absolute). Basically everything needs some space which you can carve out through EQ.
This is amazing! Thanks for sharing!
Works nicely, thanks!
Awesome!
There are filter circuits on devices that make sound, so no matter how low or high you go on the frequency, the onboard filter is going to keep the speaker from blowing. Good expensive earphones can get down to 40hz, but the vast majority its 60hz to 20Khz. If I am making a song specifically to be played live on large speakers, I would add some sub base. For the average audio device, anything below 60hz is just going to get trimmed off by the filter circuit.
This is really cool! Appreciate you! 🙏
Thank you Anthony!
I want that Sparkly phasey pad sound
Cheers man that is an awesome device :)
Very cool, any chance of an audio effect rack version? I know some of the things like 'Octave' wouldn't work but a lot of it would, and then I could drop it on existing sub tracks that use Serum or other synths.
thanks, great inspiration 🙏
You’re amazing ❤️
Thanks Bud.
legend anthony!!
Very interesting! By the way, not sure if somebody else mentioned already since it's 9 months old (although it's also in the screenshot on the site where you can download it), but I noticed a typo on one of the controls when watching the video: "Harnmonics" (the n as 4th letter).
haremoanicks
Great Sub! No more to say. Thx 4 sharing. 👌
Pls make a video about creating such a device
So good. Thanks
Confused! I though I got this from EDMTips a few months back! Who created it ?
Thank you. Legend
Great video
I wanted to purchase the device.
Sadly i cant buy it neither with paypal nor with credit card. is there a way to get it ?
hi , ur pluggin is made for live 11 suite , i only have 11 standard , could you tell me what is behind the macro to try to make this pluggin with what I have, thanks.
I tried this on ableton 12 and im running into an issue that when i put this instrument i cannot add anything else besides audio effects. when i try to add an operator, the operator replaces subs you can hear and vice versa and since subs you can hear doesnt output any sound, i cannot do anything with it
thank you so much!
Hello Anthony! This setup is awersome, but how i can create glide effect in operator? Maybe somebody knows?
I found it! So if somebody has the same problem: you have 8 tabs in operator (4 left and 4 right), you need 2nd right tab from bottom (where you have pitch, spread, transpose). Click here and in the center of operator screen you can find glide on bottom right corner.
How do I avoid or control the click sounds that happen upon hitting each note?
Thankss
Great video!! This is something I've been curious about since, while I love them, the Yahama HS5s don't exactly make it easy to hear these sub freqs naturally haha.
Initially, I also ran into an error on Gumroad that wouldn't let me pay for it, but when I downloaded it for free it worked! lol. Still wanna tip you for this at least, is there a way I can do that other than through Gumroad? :)
Hey sorry there was an error, the device is now uploaded and available! seedtostage.gumroad.com/l/lmfge
@@SeedtoStage Downloaded, thanks!
Thanks 😉🙌
"The preset cannot be loaded. It is probably broken." I have tried mac and windows as well as different unzip softwares. Looks sweet though!
What is the drum rack name on this project? Thanks
Hi, I got the device but I cant load it into ableton. cant drop it onto any channel - any advice?
Very Cool.
Might be a dumb question but how to I add it as an audio effect? It wont let me 🤔
so...as promised when you enabled the filter I was able to hear the bass line on my phone. but when you "scooped" it out it became completely inaudible again...
i will thank you
Would love to have this for 10 standard!!! You still have courses available for beginners??? I really need some help.
The Songwriting and Composition course I offer is great for beginners! courses.seedtostage.com/p/songwriting-and-composition-with-ableton-live
It should probably be mentioned that you need Live 10/11 Suite. It can't be used if you have Intro or Standard.
Thanks for the heads up. I don't have Suite.
Is there any way to install or copy the plugin file to Ableton Live to have it ready to use in Ableton left menu? Or there's only available to drop it from outside folder?
EDIT: Ok I know how, it's just my un-knowledge, just learning :P
Hey! thank you for this, i tried to grab one but it says "Sorry, this item is not available in your location."
Bummer!
whats the plugin responsible for adding the even harmonics in this rack?
thanks bro =)
is it only for mac? i downloaded it but doesn't seem to work on my pc. I have live 11 though. Great videos and work man , more than tutorials!!
Its a zip file you have to unzip then drag the .adg file in Ableton Live Suite, and i emphasize suite because this uses Operator.
Wicked!
Hallo... Salam dari Indonesia 🙏🙏
I don't see any links to music you've published. Those who can't do, teach?
There's links to my music with my band Papadosio and my solo music EartuCry in the description under all the videos on this channel my guy. My main occupation is touring which is why I don't post as often as other channels.
Hey my guy, when I unzip the download file it turns into a text document. Do you know why? :) using the new macbook pro
Same, this happened to me too. I'm using an Intel Mac
@@trickylights4380 ok everyone that this is happening to, simply use a different unzip program
@@SeedtoStage gotcha, thanks. Looking forward to try it out!
Having the same issue on gum road.. Such a good rack though man :)
Hey sorry there was an error, the device is now uploaded and available! seedtostage.gumroad.com/l/lmfge
@@SeedtoStage 🙏
7:45 dude that second octave aint an octave its a fifth :o
🔥
will the device only work with operator?
all hail our lord and savior anthony 🥹
I was stoked until I realized I'd have to upgrade from Live 9.
I'm one of those "afraid of change" folks. 😅
You're missing out man, so many new features added since v9.
@@hearmenow909 I upgraded like a week ago.
Comping ftw
Technically, it would be correct to have a bass and add a sub to it. Why do the opposite?
Bass will takes the space let’s say above 100 hz and you don’t have care too much will it be audible or not, because it is audible already :)
Having two layers gives more control, you can actually add anything on the bass, even a bit more stereo, without worrying about doing something wrong with the sub
I grok. Sub-Bass is bassic.
when i unzip the rack converts to a blank document anyone have this problem?
Open Ableton and drag the .adg file into a track
@@SeedtoStage the adg file itself converts to an empty document. Ableton is not able to open it