I've got the LS321, which is the more blocky looking aluminum model. Very good value option that gets you in the game for 800ish bucks. But it doesn't compete against my Dbal D2 (1600 bucks) in illumination. However, I also have the Holosun LS117IR. It's just a standalone IR laser (NO slaved visible laser with it), and it's coupled with a BE Meyers Kiji IR illuminator. So for around 1000, you can get a solid laser module and arguably the best unrestricted IR illuminator on the civilian market today that absolutely does compete with my more expensive Dbal. As mentioned, nothing is cheap in the NVG game, but you can get some very good/ usable gear and not take out a 2nd mortgage for it.
This is why I've been suggesting the CTF-2 to people. It doesn't get you the flexibility in switchology that your setup has, but it's one purchase and one thing to mount instead of 2+. I'm just stoked for the Eotech OGL. Gonna wait for that to replace my LS321.
@Squirreltakular Yes! I want one pretty bad to try out. They can't seem to keep with the demand, and they're just never in stock. So I'm still impatiently waiting and checking on availability lol.
I honestly believe that the LE117IR and the B.E. MEYERS KIJI paired is probably one of the best duo's I have seen in the IR game in terms of bang for your buck un-restricted options. Highly recommend.
I recently bought a used opscore helmet with a pvs14 and a Wilcox mount for a great deal. Been debating this laser as an option for my first one. I think I’ll take the leap and get one. Thanks dude!
Its not a bad choice. I just got into night vision as well and I have couple of IR lasers and lights. They are all pretty much the same up to about 75-100 yards. If you arent shooting past that having the light, IR laser and IR illuminator is so useful. Even the 300 lumen would work perfectly for short range. To piggy back on Aaron, the lasers are fine, the IR illuminators are always the problem but if you arent shooting to distance you're good.
Great info, thanks. If they upgrade the white light to something that's not pretty much useless, might buy then. But for now I don't need the extra cost and weight of an essentially useless part in an otherwise useful tool. Get kind of tired of buying equipment that has to be modified or have to trade out parts, like buy this good rifle then immediately replace trigger with better replace stock and sling with Magpul, or buy this pistol then pay for aftermarket sights and mags.
Great review. Thanks for showing this some budget love and that it passed your tests! I’ve been rocking one on my 11.5” DD for over a year and I’ve got no complaints and recognize the 300 Lumen white light is really a nice addition but only if space and conditions/distance are applicable.
I definitely like the shape and body better than the LS321G but that’s the one I went with as I figured I’d want my Surefire white light over the white light in the LAM. I’m happy with the LS321G and while I would like to upgrade to something better someday I’m happy with it
I went with the HE-221G (Vis/IR laser only), I knew the onboard white light and IR illuminator was going to be weak, so I paired mine with a Surefire M600V and a Modlite dual-lead switch.
I found this video so hard to focus on as soon as you said "Night vision prices in general have started coming down because they're becoming more popular, the venerable PVS 14 running a monocular, it's been around for 20 plus years at this point, and you can find a really good high quality one for a reasonable price, basically the price of a very nice AR rifle." How much? __________. It was at this point where my mind drifted. I was in la la land, daydreaming about why you didn't just throw a price out after that lead up. I live in New York City. I can't ever put an AR rifle in my apartment closet. I could not even unload a gun case from the trunk of my car and walk into my apartment building, so I have no idea how much "prices coming down". Anytime I look for a filmless WP PVS 14, I see thirty five and up. Should I be looking for a deal at twenty five hundred? Total daydream. I'll check out the Holosun some other time.
I wonder about your thoughts on what some call the best “airsoft” Illuminator/. Laser combo Peq-15 from Potted components Somogear. I was looking at one for my PCC and AK which are not guns I would normally run with IR and out of pocket it’s $300 for a laser/ illuminator and vis laser.
It wouldn't work because the selector switch only allows the IR laser to be paired with the IR illuminator - there's no way to activate the IR laser and the white light together.
I'm curious what your thoughts on the SOMOgear potted lasers, they honestly seem like a great stand in now that we can't get the PERST lasers easily anymore
Will probably not be read by the right people. They should only make a restricted version and just throw on a "fixed" lens cap that takes the laser under the restricted threshold. Like the Safran group has done with the Jim Compact. And then the DIY people can fix the rest for us. 😁
Picked up a LE117 and will pair it with a kiji. Gonna test in on my scar 17 since I don’t wanna run my full power peq-15 and find out oops.. she destroyed er… lol
I just got an LS321G which as I understand is basically the same capability as the LE (weirdly), outside of the white light. But I wish I had the LE because it's much more fitting looking and is probably less reflective through nods. However I think the body doesn't justify the price increase.
Nowhere can I find where the dot itself be placed in the sight. Some say just above the front sight, some say in the middle of the window, some say it doesn't matter.
I’ve got the LS420. My only complaint is it’s pretty huge on my rifle and blocks a pane of my sight picture even with a Unity riser. I dealt with this by mounting it on the side rather than the top and it’s fine now. If they made it with a lower profile then it would be perfect
Well invent a time machine then write complaint letters to your Congressmen starting in the late 1970's... And today would still be the same. PRC products won't be cheap and available forever, so take advantage now if you need something that has no other orgin competition... China's titanium supply is f'cked as long as Russia is sliding down the mountain, along with much of their energy, fertilizer, and grain imports... The CCP train loses a lot of steam if Russia falls apart, so I wouldn't worry too much... Unless simultaneously taking down Russia and hurting the CCP for the foreseeable future for only $0.20 cents per day per US taxpayer doesn't seem like the deal of the century 🤫 😉
Hello, off topic answer: Do you plan to update the white paper in the near future please? I'm trying to decide between Holosun EPS and Steiner MPS and some updated information would be helpful. Thank you
Probably not one you might be willing to do but my first red dot was a sightmark minishot m spec. It's their attempt at a duty pistol optic. Surprisingly it has served me well and even survived me falling off a horse while carrying. Idk if it was just made on a Wednesday or I have just been lucky. It's got about 1000 Rd and hasn't dropped zero.
Dbal D2is gonna be your best bang for your in civilian class laser, but the illuminator is led based and not laser based. The U.S. Nightvision offering (the name escapes me right now) is a vcel based laser illuminator that is slightly more but seems to be a very viable option and then the BE Myers MAWL C 1 is gonna be the class of the field but costs as much as 3 D2’s or 2 of the U.S. Nightvision offerings. That said, if the illuminator is not an issue then these are as good as the rest of the market.
@@jaymob2748 no problem. The D2 is great, but she’s a chonky girl. Those are really the only 3 stand alone units that will give you anything close to restricted illuminators. Also the Mars Hill CT 2 is an option. I think that’s the name. It is an ir laser that allows you to use Surefire compatible heads of the 3 volt variety. Hoplopheil channel has some solid videos on all this.
I would save your money and wait until the Eotech OGL civilian version comes out. Either that or get the Phantom Hill CTF-2. The CTF-2 is the same price as the D2 and way lighter and less bulky.
Good question, but at that point, what is the point? Just get a separate laser unit and a Kiji. But IIRC the Kiji is interchangeable with surefire heads, so I could see that being a reasonable upgrade. I doubt the Kiji would fit though, I THINK the 321 head uses male threads and the Kiji uses female threads.
Very sad that I have no access to federal land where I can shoot at night. I checked all the ranges within a two hour drive and none of them allowed shooting at night. I would have to buy $300,000 worth of land, then turn it into a range just to shoot at night and I can't afford that ;_;
So, it looks like you would only talk to smart people with money, the rest of us (peasants) that cannot afford Patreon are screwed. The Future seems very promising for the 2A community 😢.
The Phantom Hill CTF is probably a better value than the Holosun products at this price range. The BE Meyers Kiji heads really did change the game. The CTF 3 should be capable of taking better white light heads.
How are you coming to your conclusion on better value? A ctf2 is $700, a kiji is $800 and the white light head is $150. That is in the D2 realm even with adding a white light with the D2. Just curious what your thought process is. Thanks
@@carlh4350 The BE Meyers KIJI is a VCSEL laser based IR Illuminator, not LED. The illumination is much more uniform with less artifacts and more powerful with better photonic barrier penetration. Whole different quality of IR illuminator. And if you want to cheap out you can just get a Surefire Scout IR LED head with the CTF and you're still more cost effective overall than most options on the market dollar for dollar. The only thing that can really upset the balance right now is the Eotech OGL which is supposed to bring cutting edge VCSEL IR Illumination in a normal form factor at just under 2 grand. This is going to undercut every next gen MFAL using VSCEL tech with the exception of the KIJI.
A good PVS-14, mount, and helmet will set you back $5k. Add another $1-2k for a LAM or twice that for a MAWL. That's prohibitive for many people, especially younger people.
I’m not sure that this is the governments reasoning, but as a pilot, I can tell you getting “lasered“ from someone on the ground, specifically during landing, is a fairly prevalent problem. Even lower grade lasers hitting our windscreen is extremely debilitating and harmful. Again, I don’t know that that’s their reasoning, but I could imagine they had that in mind , given such lasers are used by military personnel on the ground to coordinate with aircraft.
Holosun really is who they said they were going to be. Much respect.
Thank you for continuing to keep up at least some content on RUclips, your quality is top notch.
I've got the LS321, which is the more blocky looking aluminum model. Very good value option that gets you in the game for 800ish bucks. But it doesn't compete against my Dbal D2 (1600 bucks) in illumination. However, I also have the Holosun LS117IR. It's just a standalone IR laser (NO slaved visible laser with it), and it's coupled with a BE Meyers Kiji IR illuminator. So for around 1000, you can get a solid laser module and arguably the best unrestricted IR illuminator on the civilian market today that absolutely does compete with my more expensive Dbal. As mentioned, nothing is cheap in the NVG game, but you can get some very good/ usable gear and not take out a 2nd mortgage for it.
This is why I've been suggesting the CTF-2 to people. It doesn't get you the flexibility in switchology that your setup has, but it's one purchase and one thing to mount instead of 2+. I'm just stoked for the Eotech OGL. Gonna wait for that to replace my LS321.
@Squirreltakular Yes! I want one pretty bad to try out. They can't seem to keep with the demand, and they're just never in stock. So I'm still impatiently waiting and checking on availability lol.
I went this exact route. I 100% agree with you. The KIJI/LS117IR package is hard to beat for the price.
I honestly believe that the LE117IR and the B.E. MEYERS KIJI paired is probably one of the best duo's I have seen in the IR game in terms of bang for your buck un-restricted options. Highly recommend.
I’ve been using the LS321G and the LS117IR for some time and they have yet to fail me. No issues. Glad to see the LE models retain the quality.
So the power of unrestricted lasers is restricted, but restricted lasers are unrestricted? Got it.
Thank you sir for making the high-quality content.
I recently bought a used opscore helmet with a pvs14 and a Wilcox mount for a great deal. Been debating this laser as an option for my first one. I think I’ll take the leap and get one. Thanks dude!
Its not a bad choice. I just got into night vision as well and I have couple of IR lasers and lights. They are all pretty much the same up to about 75-100 yards. If you arent shooting past that having the light, IR laser and IR illuminator is so useful. Even the 300 lumen would work perfectly for short range. To piggy back on Aaron, the lasers are fine, the IR illuminators are always the problem but if you arent shooting to distance you're good.
Great info, thanks. If they upgrade the white light to something that's not pretty much useless, might buy then. But for now I don't need the extra cost and weight of an essentially useless part in an otherwise useful tool. Get kind of tired of buying equipment that has to be modified or have to trade out parts, like buy this good rifle then immediately replace trigger with better replace stock and sling with Magpul, or buy this pistol then pay for aftermarket sights and mags.
Thanks for the cool video and the great feedback 🤩
Dear lord. I love my LE321….. excited to see this one!
Great review. Thanks for showing this some budget love and that it passed your tests! I’ve been rocking one on my 11.5” DD for over a year and I’ve got no complaints and recognize the 300 Lumen white light is really a nice addition but only if space and conditions/distance are applicable.
How often have you used it in that year?
I'm really glad to still get a video from you here. Thanks bro. Love what you do.
Imagine if holosun was able to make a D2 type of LAM, I bet they would rock it
With the replacable white light, that could be an aftermarket addon.
The IRIS. It's supposed to be out in the next couple of months.
I've had one for about a year now and it's been a surprisingly nice unit, especially after having had steiners.
Patreon Exclusive? What? What's that? Crazzzyyyyyyy
Nice. Been considering one for a secondary IR option for another rifle.
Solid review and info, thank you!
It was great to see you again Brother. I really have missed your coaching. God Bless You
I definitely like the shape and body better than the LS321G but that’s the one I went with as I figured I’d want my Surefire white light over the white light in the LAM. I’m happy with the LS321G and while I would like to upgrade to something better someday I’m happy with it
Can you change out the light head for a different one?
Please do a durability test on the PLxC 1-8, that thing is a beast on paper including being light but I’m wondering if they sacrificed some durability
I went with the HE-221G (Vis/IR laser only), I knew the onboard white light and IR illuminator was going to be weak, so I paired mine with a Surefire M600V and a Modlite dual-lead switch.
yo these jimmies crazy!
3:46 love the Taylor Swift magazine lmao
🤔 how is it a "Taylor swift magazine" i paused it and blew the image up.
And honestly I can't tell at all what the graphic or the writing is.
@@vegeta420z6 it’s a picture of Taylor swift with Taylor swift song lyrics lol
They need to use the restricted laser for the aiming. Use an IR led lamp for the Illuminator because they are unrestricted.
Why are these not mounted in the six o’clock position so not to block the irons?
I found this video so hard to focus on as soon as you said "Night vision prices in general have started coming down because they're becoming more popular, the venerable PVS 14 running a monocular, it's been around for 20 plus years at this point, and you can find a really good high quality one for a reasonable price, basically the price of a very nice AR rifle." How much? __________. It was at this point where my mind drifted. I was in la la land, daydreaming about why you didn't just throw a price out after that lead up. I live in New York City. I can't ever put an AR rifle in my apartment closet. I could not even unload a gun case from the trunk of my car and walk into my apartment building, so I have no idea how much "prices coming down". Anytime I look for a filmless WP PVS 14, I see thirty five and up. Should I be looking for a deal at twenty five hundred? Total daydream. I'll check out the Holosun some other time.
I wonder about your thoughts on what some call the best “airsoft” Illuminator/. Laser combo Peq-15 from Potted components Somogear. I was looking at one for my PCC and AK which are not guns I would normally run with IR and out of pocket it’s $300 for a laser/ illuminator and vis laser.
Love the vids man. I hope you release more videos for free a while after Patreon.
Thank you for the review. I've been curious about this Lazer, and have been waiting for someone (besides James Reeves' glitchy clone) to review it.
James' glitchy clone?! 🤣😂🤣😂
@Wendigoslayer na I'm a fan too. I just thought his comment was hilarious
Any chance you’ll be reviewing the LE420?
I think I need one of these bad boys
Love my le321 on a PCC
Holosun really has stepped it the efffff up.
I noticed that you had a nut on the mount instead of the QD latch. Is that aftermarket or were you able to modify it?
Looking at same thing, I have same one and qd lever kinda of yanky in my opinion. Probably do this to mine also.
Someone really needs to make an IR head for that removable flashlight slot. An IR flood along with the IR illuminator would make for a great package.
It wouldn't work because the selector switch only allows the IR laser to be paired with the IR illuminator - there's no way to activate the IR laser and the white light together.
Been eyeing this for a while, cool video.
I'm curious what your thoughts on the SOMOgear potted lasers, they honestly seem like a great stand in now that we can't get the PERST lasers easily anymore
Wish they would last longer, buttons keep on breaking and sockets keep coming out. Hopefully they improve on their durability though.
@@majestic._ gonna have to beat the shit out of mine to find out, just received it from paragon armory. Brass Fact's review was p good
@@majestic._ so basically the same thing that happens to Steiner products lol
They are made for airsoft. They just happen to hold zero on ARs.
@@majestic._ invidibe sight is what youre looking for
You don't do a parallel zero?
Will probably not be read by the right people. They should only make a restricted version and just throw on a "fixed" lens cap that takes the laser under the restricted threshold. Like the Safran group has done with the Jim Compact. And then the DIY people can fix the rest for us. 😁
I don’t think it works like that. The laser can’t be capable of a certain output
@@totenfurwotan4478 Even if it's "shield" below approved levels?
@@MrKakemann1 yea I think so. The FDA isn’t as easily circumvented like the ATF are unfortunately
@@totenfurwotan4478 Darn it... then it will never end up here in europe either.... as the US is its main market...
Happy Holidays SD -random question - do you have the details posted on the rifle used in this video? Thanks -
Picked up a LE117 and will pair it with a kiji. Gonna test in on my scar 17 since I don’t wanna run my full power peq-15 and find out oops.. she destroyed er… lol
You just got a shoutout from Garand Thumb and Micah on the unsubscribe podcast
I was considering purchasing this but run an ACOG/RMR combo. Do you think this would get in the way of the ACOG sight picture? Thanks!
Lets make some noise
Your head is shrinking or your body is getting larger? Which is it?
Hey Aaron, I just bought a set of holosun red dots. i was wondering what height back up irons you use with the glock mos system?
I just got an LS321G which as I understand is basically the same capability as the LE (weirdly), outside of the white light. But I wish I had the LE because it's much more fitting looking and is probably less reflective through nods. However I think the body doesn't justify the price increase.
Nowhere can I find where the dot itself be placed in the sight. Some say just above the front sight, some say in the middle of the window, some say it doesn't matter.
I’ve got the LS420. My only complaint is it’s pretty huge on my rifle and blocks a pane of my sight picture even with a Unity riser. I dealt with this by mounting it on the side rather than the top and it’s fine now. If they made it with a lower profile then it would be perfect
Chinese sure can copy a good product and make it to par. Their Thermals (IRAY) are probably one of the best out there.
Miss you.
For performance to cost ratio, which has more value, mawl or ls321???
👍👊🔥
The switch is a crane switch so aftermarket support is the same as the rest of the crane family of switches.
$1,000 IR device and the PRC gets that much stronger thanks to your contribution.
Well invent a time machine then write complaint letters to your Congressmen starting in the late 1970's... And today would still be the same. PRC products won't be cheap and available forever, so take advantage now if you need something that has no other orgin competition... China's titanium supply is f'cked as long as Russia is sliding down the mountain, along with much of their energy, fertilizer, and grain imports... The CCP train loses a lot of steam if Russia falls apart, so I wouldn't worry too much... Unless simultaneously taking down Russia and hurting the CCP for the foreseeable future for only $0.20 cents per day per US taxpayer doesn't seem like the deal of the century 🤫 😉
And the phone you typed this message on… oh never mind 😂
@@turnitdowntyler Let this man enjoy his smartphone and Ford Mustang full of Chinesium parts in peace dammit! 🤣
@@turnitdowntyler yeah a South Korean android. I love the phone argument. Buy more Chinese stuff.
Do it come with the plug you were talking about for the light ? Or do you know where to find it ?
You mean the battery compartment cap without the light? It comes with it.
How is the height on this? Will a LPVO in 1.5 inch height mount clear it reasonably well?
Hello, off topic answer:
Do you plan to update the white paper in the near future please? I'm trying to decide between Holosun EPS and Steiner MPS and some updated information would be helpful.
Thank you
People pay to watch squirrels lol .
Probably not one you might be willing to do but my first red dot was a sightmark minishot m spec. It's their attempt at a duty pistol optic. Surprisingly it has served me well and even survived me falling off a horse while carrying. Idk if it was just made on a Wednesday or I have just been lucky. It's got about 1000 Rd and hasn't dropped zero.
To bad they didn't go with any of the industry switches that are already out there
They did. I used crane switches just fine.
Based.
Is that a ADM upper? If so do you like Criterion Barrels?
Criterion Barrels are made by FN fir them so there good to go.
It's a rosco mfg upper receiver
It looks like it’s really tall is it in your line of sight
Primary Arms new LPVO Plx 1 - 6x gen 4 review would be awesome :)
Somo gear?
I saw it first on Patreon
you should add the patreon link in a pinned comment or in description
If it’s all going over to that then I guess this is it! Sure hate to see that. Could have went to rumble.
So I’m new to IRL. Would you guess say it’s a buy or pass and keep saving
Dbal D2is gonna be your best bang for your in civilian class laser, but the illuminator is led based and not laser based. The U.S. Nightvision offering (the name escapes me right now) is a vcel based laser illuminator that is slightly more but seems to be a very viable option and then the BE Myers MAWL C 1 is gonna be the class of the field but costs as much as 3 D2’s or 2 of the U.S. Nightvision offerings. That said, if the illuminator is not an issue then these are as good as the rest of the market.
@@christoperdevore3617 thanks I been looking to get into but it’s so much to take it thanks for ur opinion
@@jaymob2748 no problem. The D2 is great, but she’s a chonky girl. Those are really the only 3 stand alone units that will give you anything close to restricted illuminators. Also the Mars Hill CT 2 is an option. I think that’s the name. It is an ir laser that allows you to use Surefire compatible heads of the 3 volt variety. Hoplopheil channel has some solid videos on all this.
I would save your money and wait until the Eotech OGL civilian version comes out. Either that or get the Phantom Hill CTF-2. The CTF-2 is the same price as the D2 and way lighter and less bulky.
@@squirreltakular9049 thanks. Phantom Hill was the last one I was trying to think of.
I just put a white light on my gun :) boom, night vision
Can the Kiji fit in the white light spot? I have no idea what I’m talking about but that would be forward thinking of Holosun
Good question, but at that point, what is the point? Just get a separate laser unit and a Kiji. But IIRC the Kiji is interchangeable with surefire heads, so I could see that being a reasonable upgrade.
I doubt the Kiji would fit though, I THINK the 321 head uses male threads and the Kiji uses female threads.
@@mathewfitzpatrick5645 yea I think you are right.
No.
I'm definitely part of the noisy, less intelligent crowd.
Cool
No VCSEL = no sale
The Holosun IRIS with a VCSEL should be coming out soon.
Very sad that I have no access to federal land where I can shoot at night. I checked all the ranges within a two hour drive and none of them allowed shooting at night. I would have to buy $300,000 worth of land, then turn it into a range just to shoot at night and I can't afford that ;_;
You should post your free videos to Rumble rather than RUclips
So, it looks like you would only talk to smart people with money, the rest of us (peasants) that cannot afford Patreon are screwed. The Future seems very promising for the 2A community 😢.
There is no way homie is doing better after coming off YT lol…
Paid for a 100y by 25y range to be cut, cleared and graveled. Yeah not doing well at all.
First!
The Phantom Hill CTF is probably a better value than the Holosun products at this price range. The BE Meyers Kiji heads really did change the game. The CTF 3 should be capable of taking better white light heads.
How are you coming to your conclusion on better value? A ctf2 is $700, a kiji is $800 and the white light head is $150. That is in the D2 realm even with adding a white light with the D2. Just curious what your thought process is. Thanks
@@carlh4350 The BE Meyers KIJI is a VCSEL laser based IR Illuminator, not LED. The illumination is much more uniform with less artifacts and more powerful with better photonic barrier penetration.
Whole different quality of IR illuminator. And if you want to cheap out you can just get a Surefire Scout IR LED head with the CTF and you're still more cost effective overall than most options on the market dollar for dollar.
The only thing that can really upset the balance right now is the Eotech OGL which is supposed to bring cutting edge VCSEL IR Illumination in a normal form factor at just under 2 grand. This is going to undercut every next gen MFAL using VSCEL tech with the exception of the KIJI.
@@carlh4350 Also Phantom Hill was selling the CTF 2 set with the Kiji and a Malkoff E1HT white light head for 1400 dollars.
Night vision is not cost prohibitive. People aren't shooting at night most of the time and that's why they don't buy night vision.
A good PVS-14, mount, and helmet will set you back $5k. Add another $1-2k for a LAM or twice that for a MAWL. That's prohibitive for many people, especially younger people.
First?
I’m not sure that this is the governments reasoning, but as a pilot, I can tell you getting “lasered“ from someone on the ground, specifically during landing, is a fairly prevalent problem. Even lower grade lasers hitting our windscreen is extremely debilitating and harmful. Again, I don’t know that that’s their reasoning, but I could imagine they had that in mind , given such lasers are used by military personnel on the ground to coordinate with aircraft.
So this lam is a definite NO for me after seeing this. Thanks for putting this out
I thought you were going "pay for content." you know, for OUR benefit?