Thank You! Got my 4854 today and immediately mishandled it so it fell apart. Your video was key in reassembling it ( simple but seeing it step by step made it easy)!
Brilliant. My videos can be quite long at times and I’m sure people will watch the parts they are after rather than the whole videos but at least everyone can find almost everything they are looking for. Glad to hear you found it helpful.
Brilliant! You covered all areas and details and in the process exceeded my wildest expectations with the demonstration towards the end. I now consider myself fully informed and agree wholeheartedly with your preference. I actually was leaning towards the 'Presto' tool because you can see what you are doing, as opposed to the shroud impeding your vision on the other tool. Thank you Leo, you are indeed a gentleman and a horology scholar, Steph.
Glad it was helpful! I use the Presto tool 99% of the time. The cannon pinion has gone worse since I purchased it. It now states on Cousins site that it removes cannon pinions from 1.2mm. The presto tool is no doubt a better choice 👍
Just discovered your channel. Bravo Leo. I look forward to your future videos and hope to try my first watch repair soon. Your videos have given me some much needed motivation.
Thank you for this video, it was very informative and well shot. I've recently gotten into the watch repair hobby and was debating on which tool would be better for a wider range of cannon pinon removals, and this has convinced me to go with a presto tool for now (until I inevitably give in and buy more tools). I like the concept and action of the purpose built cannon pinon remover, but will keep an eye out for options to make or get a tighter collar for smaller shafts.
The cannon pinion tool is a nicer tool but the presto tool is a better choice. As you only got into the hobby recently, I assume you’ll be working on scrap movements? If that’s the case, look for the old cannon pinion on eBay that will remove cannon pinions that are less than 1mm in diameter. In the meantime, if you’re working on scrap movements, use your tweezers. It’s not the right way to do it but that doesn’t really matter if you’re working on scrap movements. Sooner or later you’ll find the old cannon pinion remover on eBay and you will end up paying for one tool only instead of two. I certainly wouldn’t buy the new cannon pinion remover. I have noticed that it is now described ‘can lift cannon pinions 1.20 to 1.80mm’. Looks like they’ve ‘improved’ even more because mine was from 1.00 to 1.80mm
Nice, thank you for this. The 4854: it surprises me no far east country has copied this yet. Or in other words: I find it surprising this tool costs more than 100 euros when you consider how simple its construction is. Anyways, clear video, well shot and well explained.
The presto tool doesn’t always work on stubborn cannon pinions. At least that’s what I have experienced. I will be purchasing the 4854 in the future. I probably just wrap the small cannon pinions with some foil. Not ideal but we will see how that works.
If you’re not in a rush to get one, I would consider buying a used one. The older cannon pinion removers will remove cannon pinions below 1.00mm in diameter. You’d have to check with the seller prior to purchase.
Here is a link to a video about the limitation of the 4854 and how to modify it to remove smaller cannon pinions. It's in the comment section posted by Darren Caddy. ruclips.net/video/e1H0FC_q900/видео.html This is what he said: "Hi there Sir. I had the same problem with a newer version (the old one worked even on very small ladies watches) which failed to remove the cannon pinion on just about every wristwatch I tried. Now, there is a simple modification anyone can do to get these to work provided you have a thin metal double sided diamond coated cutting wheel found in the Einhell mini drill set and the solution is easy. You need to strip this device by lifting the lever upwards where you will find a ball bearing, a spring, and tube with the collet at the end. It is the collet that needs adjustment by using the diamond wheel as a file to increase the slots by filing two oposing slots together (there are six slots in total) two slots will be opened at one time so with three passes it enable the hole in the collet to close smaller and thus grip the cannon pinion. This is done by holding the collet closed with the fingers and moving the wheel backwards and forwards to remove metal thus making the slots wider. And that is all that's needed to make this device work. I remember reading that this tool is suitable for cannon pinions measuring from 1 to 1.8 mm. I tried gripping the shaft of a 1mm screwdriver blade which it never did. After my modification this tool now grips a .8mm shaft and there's still more left for an even smaller size. Just be careful not to lose the ball bearing as you lift the lever."
Jeffrey, many thanks for your comment. It’s very helpful and hopefully others will get to see it too. My apologies for responding this late. It’s only today I’ve found out that there is a section where comments are held for review and yours ended up there for whatever reason.
I am afraid of filing the collet of my new 4854. Did the silver foil method work for smaller cannon pinions? I ended up buying the green presto as well
I’ve been lusting for a lathe for quite some time. It did cross my mind that I could make the collet if I had a lathe. Unfortunately it looks like it’s going to be more like later than sooner but I’ll get there.
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Extremely informative and very detailed video. Entirely shot and presented with the viewer in mind.
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
The best video that I have ever seen about someone showing a tool. Thank you for your video it is very informative 👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it! 🙂
Thank You! Got my 4854 today and immediately mishandled it so it fell apart. Your video was key in reassembling it ( simple but seeing it step by step made it easy)!
Brilliant. My videos can be quite long at times and I’m sure people will watch the parts they are after rather than the whole videos but at least everyone can find almost everything they are looking for. Glad to hear you found it helpful.
Brilliant! You covered all areas and details and in the process exceeded my wildest expectations with the demonstration towards the end. I now consider myself fully informed and agree wholeheartedly with your preference. I actually was leaning towards the 'Presto' tool because you can see what you are doing, as opposed to the shroud impeding your vision on the other tool. Thank you Leo, you are indeed a gentleman and a horology scholar, Steph.
Glad it was helpful! I use the Presto tool 99% of the time. The cannon pinion has gone worse since I purchased it. It now states on Cousins site that it removes cannon pinions from 1.2mm. The presto tool is no doubt a better choice 👍
Thanks, I had the Cannon tool in my shopping basket for cousins but now I've changed it for the Presto tool. You saved me a headach :-)
Glad you found it helpful!
Just discovered your channel. Bravo Leo. I look forward to your future videos and hope to try my first watch repair soon. Your videos have given me some much needed motivation.
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you for this video, it was very informative and well shot. I've recently gotten into the watch repair hobby and was debating on which tool would be better for a wider range of cannon pinon removals, and this has convinced me to go with a presto tool for now (until I inevitably give in and buy more tools). I like the concept and action of the purpose built cannon pinon remover, but will keep an eye out for options to make or get a tighter collar for smaller shafts.
The cannon pinion tool is a nicer tool but the presto tool is a better choice. As you only got into the hobby recently, I assume you’ll be working on scrap movements? If that’s the case, look for the old cannon pinion on eBay that will remove cannon pinions that are less than 1mm in diameter. In the meantime, if you’re working on scrap movements, use your tweezers. It’s not the right way to do it but that doesn’t really matter if you’re working on scrap movements. Sooner or later you’ll find the old cannon pinion remover on eBay and you will end up paying for one tool only instead of two.
I certainly wouldn’t buy the new cannon pinion remover. I have noticed that it is now described ‘can lift cannon pinions 1.20 to 1.80mm’. Looks like they’ve ‘improved’ even more because mine was from 1.00 to 1.80mm
Nice, thank you for this. The 4854: it surprises me no far east country has copied this yet. Or in other words: I find it surprising this tool costs more than 100 euros when you consider how simple its construction is. Anyways, clear video, well shot and well explained.
That’s a good point. If they ever make one and then make one that can take cannon pinions less then 1mm in diameter nobody will buy the Bergeon one.
Thanks, great video
Glad you liked it!
The video answered my very question. Thank you.
Glad to hear it!
What is common size of Canon pinion tube use in watch movement (not clock movements)?
I heard that 4854 too big to grip the tube
There is no common size, some are below 1mm, some are above 1mm. The Bergeon 4854 can only remove cannon pinions equal or greater than 1mm
The presto tool doesn’t always work on stubborn cannon pinions. At least that’s what I have experienced. I will be purchasing the 4854 in the future. I probably just wrap the small cannon pinions with some foil. Not ideal but we will see how that works.
If you’re not in a rush to get one, I would consider buying a used one. The older cannon pinion removers will remove cannon pinions below 1.00mm in diameter. You’d have to check with the seller prior to purchase.
Here is a link to a video about the limitation of the 4854 and how to modify it to remove smaller cannon pinions. It's in the comment section posted by Darren Caddy. ruclips.net/video/e1H0FC_q900/видео.html
This is what he said:
"Hi there Sir. I had the same problem with a newer version (the old one worked even on very small ladies watches) which failed to remove the cannon pinion on just about every wristwatch I tried. Now, there is a simple modification anyone can do to get these to work provided you have a thin metal double sided diamond coated cutting wheel found in the Einhell mini drill set and the solution is easy. You need to strip this device by lifting the lever upwards where you will find a ball bearing, a spring, and tube with the collet at the end. It is the collet that needs adjustment by using the diamond wheel as a file to increase the slots by filing two oposing slots together (there are six slots in total) two slots will be opened at one time so with three passes it enable the hole in the collet to close smaller and thus grip the cannon pinion. This is done by holding the collet closed with the fingers and moving the wheel backwards and forwards to remove metal thus making the slots wider. And that is all that's needed to make this device work. I remember reading that this tool is suitable for cannon pinions measuring from 1 to 1.8 mm. I tried gripping the shaft of a 1mm screwdriver blade which it never did. After my modification this tool now grips a .8mm shaft and there's still more left for an even smaller size.
Just be careful not to lose the ball bearing as you lift the lever."
Jeffrey, many thanks for your comment. It’s very helpful and hopefully others will get to see it too.
My apologies for responding this late. It’s only today I’ve found out that there is a section where comments are held for review and yours ended up there for whatever reason.
I am afraid of filing the collet of my new 4854. Did the silver foil method work for smaller cannon pinions? I ended up buying the green presto as well
Soon or later you will need a watchmakers lathe and such collet for that bergeon tool will be nice exercise ;)
I’ve been lusting for a lathe for quite some time. It did cross my mind that I could make the collet if I had a lathe. Unfortunately it looks like it’s going to be more like later than sooner but I’ll get there.
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