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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2021
- @gunsnroses have been the butt of a lot of jokes. There are some hard truths about the band that we want to explore in this episode, that dissects the iconic song Sweet Child O' Mine. Undeniably successful, the song and the band have been ridiculed by some, but is that a fair reflection?
I'm @Jackconte the CEO of @Patreon and one-half of the bands @Scary Pockets and @PomplamooseMusic .
Joining me today are 3 of my best musician friends;
@ryanlerman , a professional guitarist the other half of Scary Pockets
Sean Hurley, an unbelievable bassist who has played with Annie Lennox, John Meyer and Robin Thicke.
Here are our recommendations for what we are listening to and loving right now;
Sean Hurley: The Night Game - "Beautiful Stranger"
• the night game - "beau...
@JackConte: Still Woozy - These Days
• Still Woozy - These Da...
@Ryanlerman: Andy Shauf - Jaywalker
• Andy Shauf - "Jaywalke...
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Justin Bieber - Hold on • Justin Bieber - Hold On
Bobby Brown - Every Little Step • Bobby Brown - Every Li...
Pearl Jam - Even Flow • Pearl Jam - Even Flow ...
Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit • Nirvana - Smells Like ...
Poison - Nothin' But A Good Time • Poison - Nothin' But A...
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It's almost criminal reacting to the radio edit and not the album version!
Highest selling debut rock album to this day in the U.S. if it’s a joke, then it’s the best one I’ve heard in 36 years.
Definitely not a joke . One of the best debut albums of all time in my opinion
Appetite is still the highest selling debut album of all time.
They start off belittling it but by the time they get to the song ever-flowing and changing with out much repetition. Other than the title of the track.
“Sweet child o mine” is no more about a girl than “about a girl” or “where did you sleep last night”
Slash. Virtuostic,…. And sent the wammy bar back to Eddie VH. The ret of em were at the back of the bus.
Record sells says it all. THE Greatest Debut Album Of All Time!!!
I'm pretty sure in the Slash book he said the riff was just a practice riff then the band started playing the chords behind him. Axl is in the other room listening and quickly wrote most of the lyrics.
Yep, I've read that multiple times.
Also, the "Where do we go now?" section was literally that they couldn't work out where to go with the song at that point and then adlibbed that and it stuck.
Also, Slash was bummed that his cool lick got used on what was, for G&R at the time, a "Sappy Love Song" (relative to the 'hard' image they had been cultivating). Bonus Factoid: the lyrics were about Axl's girlfriend Erin, who was the daughter of Don Everly (of the Everly Brothers).
Axl ruined the song with that nagging voice.
@@CineSoar it’s also quite similar to Ropert Fripp, listen to the ending of “it’s no game” from David Bowie’s “Scary monsters” album. To me that’s way cooler!
@@christopherduran5121 Yes Pavarotti should have been in G N' R or Justin Bieber. Guess they weren't free or born. And if only Duff was better bass player, Izzy more skilful, Slash could shred like Buckethead and Adler knew what he was actually doing. Hmm let me think, it would not be Guns N Roses anymore. Can go listen matines at Guitar institution, but nobody cares. Maybe few guitar nerds.
Thanks to Sean for explaining how this literally changed the face of music. There was rock before you heard this song and rock after you heard. Asking if this song is a joke is the joke!
Always appreciate everyone's opinions - we all have our own DNA that is moved in unique ways by music. But just curious how you feel this "literally changed the face of music"? Those are pretty strong words I'd usually reserve for, say, the Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath.....just curious what sort of lasting changes or influence you feel GNR made? That incarnation of the band that made Appetite for Destruction only lasted that one album! And I consider that one album an all-time rock classic. But beyond that, GNR has always been a flash in the pan to me. Having grown up on 60's, 70's, and 80's rock, it's hard for me to say anything by the late 80's "changed the face of music" since so much is very derivative of earlier rock - so maybe it's a generational thing, but despite how much I like Appetite for Destruction, I've never quite understood the xtra love GNR seem to get (and get into the hall of fame? don't understand that at all.....)
@joelinvirginia5198 So I was 13 when sweet child dropped. I didn't have MTV yet then. I had just discovered acdc the year prior which was starting to shape my music tastes. (Back in Black was another one of those landscape changing albums). Anyway, there was a buzz around this new band. I remember my friends talking about them and they couldn't believe I hadn't heard them yet. When I did see the vid finally, (first time I heard the song) it was truly unique and powerful. I may have only been 13 but it was just new and different. I loved the whole acdc catalogue by then which was most definitely kick ass. This was the logical conclusion that hard rock had worked towards for the previous decade or two. Imho.. You may be right, could just be generational. But only Nirvana had a bigger impact on the music scene in my lifetime.
@@bessrock I see - more of a personal musical influence for you, perhaps, which I totally get. And I do see it as more generational - it's great that you saw the greatness of bands like AC/DC and even GNR early - so those artists tend to leave a very unique imprint that will last your lifetime. For me those "early imprint" bands include the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, Rush, AC/DC and many from late 70's and early 80's. I was 20 and in college when Appetite came out - so while I appreciated what, to me, was a "throwback" sound with alot of 70's influence, I didn't necessarily see GNR as earth-shattering in any way. The grunge movement was a MAJOR shift, in my opinion, and I instantly felt many bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Alice In Chains would become the most-remembered from that entire era. Sadly, I think folks like you and I who appreciate any of the music from these eras are becoming rarer (though I've instilled the love for it in my own kids!). It pains me to see some of the reaction videos where folks are astounded by the sound of rock music and folks actually playing their instruments and singing, without autotune.....as if it's some sort of outlandish concept..... :) Keep rockin!
When I take into consideration all the godawful terrible music being made in the 80s GnR to me seemed to come out of no where and begin the salvation of rock. Picking up where it all had crashed in the early 80s. The Seattle sound and many bands of the 90s took it to a pennacle of greatness that still sounds relevant today. Sweet Child while not my fav by far from the album is still very solid, very memorable and ANYTHING but bland . You know bland in the 80s..Phil Collins etc...you know..NIGHT GAME...bland forgettable.
@@joelinvirginia5198 Yes flash in the pan but really more like a nuclear reaction in a pan. Did you know this album was out for over a year before it got any attention. Released July of 87 they hit their stride in August 1988, MTV ruled the era. Welcome to the Jungle showed Axel with the spikiest hair ever which is totally different in this video. GNR did so much in so little time that is what makes them lasting not how long they did it christ the stones been on their farewell tour since 1985 LOL. Stone's haven't had a decent live sound for decades. GRN broke the standard mould of the day which in mid 80s was hair bands with no soul. At least GNR had soul. When you are done making fun if this song. Listen to Mr Brownstone if you like. Highly recommended.
Two things. Thing the first, I feel like this was going to go into full roast mode until Sean weighed in on the merits and then suddenly it was a low-key back-peddle appreciation. I've never heard of this song being a joke, so it was an interesting dynamic to watch. Thing Two: I'm biased as this is in my karaoke rep and it kills every time.
These tools are just sitting on their self appointed perches and throwing shit. They are the modern equivalent of the critics who used to spew shit in the print medium.
That is because Sean is the ultimate pro (Notice how easily he relearned that bass line on the spot). He appreciates the song wrting for what it is and probably understands that people will be listening to this song long after the guys who wrote it and who are in this video are long gone. And the guy on the right doesn't really seem to know much and they politely correct him.
Playing is easy. Theory can be restraining. Playing someone elses music can be trying sometimes but it is almost always pointless because the the expression is lost. The heavy lifting is in creating.
@@totalsavagepunk1240 I don't agree with this. Some people can practice all they want and will never have elite chops on their instrument.
@@CordScott i think something is missing in my statement and you may still agree. Playing is only the tool used to express your emotions feeling or whatever it is you want to convey.. Creating is the heavy lifting. Recreating leave something to be desired in my own opinion. I could not care any less about someone sitting on youtube showing me your ability to copy.
I know GnR isn’t everyone’s cup of tea; they certainly aren’t mine.
But I had no idea thought of them or their music as a joke.
That is because no one thinks of their music as a joke. This review is somewhat of a joke.
They aren't mine too. But their hits like welcome to the jungle really rock your most admit. At least it makes me want to move and the solo is awesome. Or don't you like it too?
I would like a full breakdown of Pink Floyd's "Echoes", please.
Meu deus, SIM
OMG YESS
Also atom heart mother
Yes. Please.
Especially the Live at Pompeii version!
I am so confused. 😂 I thought this was just one of the best rock songs of all time, full stop. When was this ever a joke? I mean, having grown up with classic rock, punk, post punk/New Wave, synth pop & hair metal, this was the *new sound* that everybody paid attention to, even if it wasn't your jam. There might have been a variety of reactions, but nobody took them as a joke. And this was at a time when being a joke got you half way to a #1 record. 😂
I remember when that album came out there was a bit of humor behind the music. I guess more like, they didn't take themselves too seriously, while still being serious musicians. Appetite for Destruction is full of sarcasm and double entendre. I first heard the hook to Paradise City from my friends singing it in the halls at school, and I thought it was a joke song. Even the O in the title of Sweet Child 'O Mine is light-hearted. One of their most up-beat songs on Appetite is Mr. Brownstone, about drug addiction.
I loved their mix of humor, sleaze, drugs and Sex, and decadence. It was their image. The further they got away from that, the worse they sounded. Swimming with dolphins was a bit much, although there was still some light-hearted moments on the Illusion albums.
Yeah I think these guys, from a younger generation than me, find it easy to dump on all-things 80's rock and generalize it all into one heap of colorful spandex and teased hair. At the time, GNR weren't like that at all and weren't considered a joke by any stretch - they were poster boys for "throwback" rock, less produced, jeans and t-shirts, gritty dudes just jamming rock n roll music. I'd actually argue that they get WAYYYY more respect in the 30+ years since their hey-day than even I would give them - so I'm not sure where they're coming from with the "joke" descriptor.
These guys are out of touch and incompetent. It's why we don't know who they are. They agreed to do this video is from the start they don't know the song or what they are talking about. Incompetent boobs giving advice and insight. Total waste of time.
No they were never a joke back in the day. Of course not. I mean seriously, look who is calling themselves professional musicians making fun of GNR. No, bless their sweet little hearts, they’re talking about Beiber & Alicia Keys & John Mayer-all amazing musicians & I’m sure they are too but it’s just a whole different world
Jack, I've been with you and Nataly since the beginning, and what I have always been drawn to, aside from how adorable and talented Nat is, of course ;-).... is the JOY you bring to all of your endeavors. This wasn't that. Snarky, condescending and, frankly, beneath what I have come to expect from your work. Is SCo'M high art? No. But it is a kick ass rock and roll song that pushed the boundaries of its time. For all the flaws of it's creators, GnR produced some memorable music and they deserved better than this. It may not be your cup of tea, and that is fine, but it has its merits. This song was catchy, unique, energetic and fresh. Kinda how I would describe a certain talented, but obscure, boyfriend/girlfriend duo I discovered on you tube about 13 years ago... As a fan, my advice would be to stick with the joy of musical discovery motif for this series, because condescension is a truly bad look on you and Ryan.
I agree 1000%... You just came off like a stuck up professor looking down on his/ her student or aokething.. which I know your not.. Wasn't a good look bro
I think the joke is that someone whose career highlight was playing for Michael Bublé called someone else a joke.
As a composer, it shocks me how often I hear musicians discuss how music should be written to formulas, or performed to metronomes, or never vary from the key signature, when the reality is that what makes songs catchy and different is exactly that, variation from the norm and creativity
right, but modal harmony(modulations from out side the key) like the Channel David Bennet Piano, points out time and time again, is prevalent in top 40 since the 60s
look at pinball wizard , that basic song is in 3 keys.
Bsus (b major) A sus (bmin) etc
yea...how many hits have these 'musicians' written w/ their formula? I'll wait...
as a bassist I might be biased, but Duff made this song for me
DUFFFFFFF
I'm not a bassist, but Duff is one of the tastiest players out there. His counterpoint melodies are so good. When he needs to hold down the bottom he's right there, but if you give him some space, he fills out brilliantly.
As a guitar player in a shitty bar band (my brother plays bass), I also love the bass parts. I like the way Duff is locked in with the kick drum in the verses also. Stevens drumming choices, Izzy’s rhythm, obviously the lead guitar and the big chorus…it all comes together so damn good. They weren’t trained musicians, so it’s ass if their natural tendencies just melded together to make them almost accidentally really good.
So underrated.
I think the guitar riff makes this song
I think a lot of pros just forget that their training is oriented towards a goal of making good music. If there is good music that breaks their rules, that doesn’t mean it’s a joke it means their music theory like all theories is incomplete.
Yes! This video certainly seems to illustate that.
This is an argument that works rhetorically but not factually. It is written by someone who clearly has little understanding of kiwi f theory, what it is, and what it’s used for. The crazy music that people think violates it usually adheres to it- like hardcore punk when I was a kid was a common argument- bc songs based on a select few chords are almost always adhering to its most basic rules even though the musicians don’t do it intentionally. You can’t actually totally violate music theory without creating a non western tonal instrument that has more notes than ours does. African drumming is said to be unwritable- in reality the tradition is passed on by showing and it never needs to be. I would really advise people to not be mad at something bc it frustrates them. In this day and age it’s not hard to be informed in theory like a “pro musician” bc it’s very easy to access all the same resources. Nothing is hidden in music school. This sounds like it’s an argument- but it is really complete bs that doesn’t make sense. I heard someone on a Metallica forum say “my musical theory is a dif theory than yours”. Okay geniuses- I am sure it is 😂
@@JDelvaMusic you are quite intellectual apparently. Is criss cross your barber making you jump?
Like how Patreon feels incomplete as a service.
I like this series in general, but I feel like focusing on Patreon would be a better contribution to the platform.
@@bojangles6444 correct, Theory encompasses all the options, where as harmony and arranging are the vehicle that makes theory work.
substituting Sub Dominant for Dominant is done in blues and country all the time IV sus chord swapped for a V7
functional harmony follows an obvious structure in one key
but will also typically use something Modular (different mesurement)
from Modal Harmony
the idea of chromatic motion like in " Wind Cries Mary" is kind of advanced
Median Harmony.
when parallel keys will use C major and borrow from Cminor
median will borrow from the relative minor of the parallel keys as well
Imperial March from John Williams is the example there by Beato and David Bennet Piano.
we often forget people like Bob Ezrin and George Martin had degrees in Classical Composition and made the Kiss records, Alice Cooper, and Bealtles the who ...these guys saw what the bands were doing and made more suggestions, as for Page , JPJ had that knowledge, and in the DOORS, Ray was in conservatory for 12 years, and kreiger had at least 3 years of college level study, so we are not listening to " happy accidents" necessarily
I feel like Jack and Ryan were trying to shit on this song a little bit too much. Yeah, the song ain't a music theory master class but give it the respect it deserves.
Yea thus video reeked of elitism
@@samgw9803 it's jealousy
Yeah was wondering if anyone else felt the same - I enjoy these guys videos and analysis, but geez can we be a little less "this is so beneath me and a joke" vibe? As said by many posts here, sometimes the simplest stuff becomes the most memorable (see the entire grunge movement). I'm far from the biggest GNR fan, but give 'em a little credit for striking a nerve in '87 with that 1st album. If you want to say that 80's metal/hard-rock in general is often generalized as a "joke" or easy to pick on, then OK, though I don't agree with generalizing like that. If you write off the entire decade then you'll miss out on some pretty fantastic stuff. Many bands from that era I doubt I'll ever listen to again, but there a some great nuggets throughout that listening to with my 54 year old ears sounds somehow "fresh" and interesting given the garbage I hear during this era - and for some of them, you can find great attention to songcraft and musicianship. Got harder to find by the late 80's, but the stuff is there. In contrast, the new/interesting music they recommend in the first couple minutes sounds dull and uninteresting to my ears just based on those short snippets. But we all have our different tastes that triggers our DNA.
This "reaction" was embarrassing to be honest!
I just want to make a question, very humble, very simple: as soon as the guns and roses video starts, does anyone not think "damn, these guys are cool"?!
This is an excellent example of the difference between musical artists and just musicians. One creates, while the other just studies and tries to replicate.
Super technical musos really struggle with creativity. Makes them feel better to be a critic of creativity to justify their technical knowledge. Appetite still the greatest rock album in my view.
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@@wichitamusic Exactly, they overcompensate in semantics to try and cover up the fact that they are complete frauds..technicality amounts to hours put into something, almost anyone off the street can do that.. the magic is in the writing and style
So perfectly said. While I am kinda a multi-instrumentalist, I primarily play guitar. However I have always described myself as a songwriter who plays guitar. I know many, many guitarists who could play circles around me, but absolutely cannot string two chords together to save their life.
I always suggest to people who are new to playing an instrument that they try to resist the urge to learn a bunch of other people’s songs, styles, etc right away. Developing your own sound and style is the best thing you can possibly do when you first start learning an instrument.
The way I always explain this is like this:
Nobody loves Jimi Hendrix’s version of All Along the Watchtower because he plays it just like Dylan . They love it because he plays it like Jimi Hendrix.
Agree. When a session player (aka “professional musician) enters a jam or tryout it’s immediately evident. Zero creative thought; in fact, it’s a negative creativity. Everything is charts and labels. Non artist musicians are cringey when they analyze. They think they’re real deal yet can’t use an ear to save their lives.
That solo, while not the most "impressive" is one of my most favourite ever - it's got melody you can sing, great phrasing, enough chops to keep us guitarists interested, the tone is great, wah makes it magic - to this day it impresses me every time I get to hear it. I don't care if Slash is "good" or "average", over or underrated. He wrote this iconic bit I keep enjoying.
Lets not get it twisted. Its a great solo Slash is on his own when it comes to being emotive with his solos. I love Metallica but Kirk tends toward the 'look at how fast i can play a scale.'
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Who gives a F about masturbatory flash and noodling? That's for junior high students...Anyone who rates guitar solos on the number of notes is a fool
This is like a video made by middle schoolers.
It was weird. Embarrassing reactions to a classic rock song.
Buddy in the middle is acting like a pompous asshole.
I would take an hour of GNR over one minute of Billie Eilish any day. All day.
I mean - no contest!
That’s an unfair comparison, they’re entirely different genres
@@calisongbird the level of talent isn't comparable either
What if that hour was just My World looped?
The first half is the nice set up. The second half "where do we go now" is what makes this song legendary.
Where do we gawawwaoooo! perfection!
I think this episode should be called "Professional Musicians Are Jealous".
It's a great song. The sales, airplay and amount of people who have covered it speaks volumes.
You can sit on your high horses because you went to music school, but ultimately, you're annoyed because they're making millions and selling out stadiums and you're not.
A lot of terrible bands play stadiums and sell a billion records but they're not anywhere near the power and brilliance of Guns n Roses. Especially Appetite For Destruction.
Why are you so offended? It's a childish song and theme. And That's ok. Thery are just acknowledging it.
Professional? That's a stretch. GnR was a strip band that borrowed/stole a lot of music from other bands and compiled a great album. They weren't the 'only' band with this sound... L.A. guns had kind of a history with them and aside from appetite... I think they were better. None the less... when no one knows you it doesn't mean you can't play... but it damn sure means you were a nobody.
Remember , at the beginning of the piece they all agreed that they ( when younger when then song/performance came to be ) that they'd all have wanted to be in a band with those dudes . Brilliant era for Rock Bands ( just don't stop to analyse the lyrics .)
@@doctordemento965 What's a stretch?
I would have liked to see some talk about their other songs. The full appreciation for GNR is they could do a little bit of everything really well. Seems they are being judged for being immature, but then also have songs that are much deeper lyrically and musically. Cool watch though! Glad Duff got some appreciation in there. SCOM is well crafted by everyone in the band. Might be simple but maybe the overthinking is what has cost us from seeing another GNR today.
Yeh GNR we’re an extremely stylistic mature band in their debut album, they were so young but had their sound and style completely figured out. When I consider how young they were when they wrote most of those songs I’m shocked at how highly developed their sound was.
Lol what's so immature about it? It's a rock n roll song about a chick. Written and recorded by a bunch of broke ass 22 and 23 yr old dudes who gave zero f$$s. With no auto tune and on tape.
I think slash has one of the best bends and vibratos in rock guitar ever. Combined with a lot of blues and some nice minor scale runs up and down (harmonic too) just makes his playing sound sweet melodic and tasteful imo
Rock n roll doesnt have to be technically right in terms of notes. It just has to feel right.
For sure the most important thing, basically true of all art
Lyrics...A+
Solo...A++
Rhythm A+
Soul touching A+++
Make you want to be in a bandA++
RAW. AND NOT OVER PRODUCED....GREATEST ALBUM EVER MADE!!!
Axles voice and sound are Everything you want in a rock voice. The greatest thing about music is not perfection...it's the imperfections that touch the soul and make it so much more real.
I hate overproduction. Give me a more human...more real experience.
My favorite album by most bands is thier first low budget album
Duff tone A+++
You can tell GNR isn't a joke because you'd be introduced as having played with them but they wouldn't have to be introduced at all, lol. Appetite for destruction is better than anything most of us will ever do in our lives. It's basic, kinda sloppy, balls out from go and amazing. They wrote em. They rocked em. We still love em.
If they had been smart, cut the crap and trimmed used your illusion into one tight album, it could've been great too.
Use Your Illusion was trimmed down to be what it is. It was supposed to be a triple album, with the third album being covers (and most of those got pushed back to The Spaghetti Incident).
Where do you hear sloppy playing? Any examples? Timestamps?
Loved use your illusion 1 & 2
Jesus, professional musicians who cannot listen a 7 or 10 minutes long song? WTF?
That they're not playing? Of course... ;-)
Slash is one of my favorite guitarists for this reason: he plays the “right” notes. There was so much virtuosic guitar diddling with no sense of phrasing or even any clear destinations. Slash is a virtuoso, but one that knew what the music needed. As I went through music school, I realized the greatness of this thing that I felt as an 11-12 year old. Amusingly enough, I ended up a bassist (double bass mostly) and never really noticed how amazing Duff was until I listened back later in life…
Yep, back then 95% of metal/rock bands were only interested in what I call the Beedily/weedily type solos. That got tiring quickly.... I was in the target audience back then, being 55 now.
Dittos to all here - starting with the '78 Van Halen debut, we had just come thru nearly 10 years of one guitar virtuoso after another, everyone focused on speed and tapping/hammer-pulls and classically oriented soloing - I remember well thinking that Slash and the whole band were a throw-back to grittier blues-based heavy guitar playing and it really caught my ear at the time. His soloing is very "retro" oriented to my ear, pulling lots more from late 60's and 70's guitar heroes than the typical 80's style.
Slash has great blues phrasing .
I remember when he was interviewed in GftPM late 80s, they asked him about influence and the answer took up the intire page.
also slash was a top ranked BMX Racer in California he was about to turn pro or was pro already when guns broke
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Sometimes you can't over-analyze what is just simply great
You say it sounds sloppy, I say it sounds like people.
First time I hear about this song or GnR being a joke. It felt weird watching some parts of this video.
I thought it was really dissapointing hearing them criticize such a legendary rock band. They don't have to like Guns N' Roses - but maybe not spend 30 minutes mocking them in your latest reaction video? I thought they were better than that.
first of all they like white reboks, so they can't be Metal🤘
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I'm not a fan of of this song or of Guns N' Roses really and I know the guys are joking around but a lot of these criticisms aren't legitimate to me.
The structure of the song IS unusual and it's a little surprising that it became a hit with that structure but it still has all the hallmarks of what were "in" at the time -- a catchy riff (actually a couple of them), a tight and pop-y verse and chorus, and a showy guitar solo. While Axl's voice is unique, it really isn't that far off from Robert Plant, Angus Young, etc. The key change for the bridge/outro part IS surprising but is that a bad thing? The transition and chord progression sound good to my ears and it offers nice variety within the song.
Anyways, I'll get off my soapbox. The lyrics are bad; can't defend those haha. BUT there are lots of popular songs with stupid lyrics and even great songs with lyrics that would not hold up without the music.
Very well said!
Angus Young?
I feel like this was half an hour of musicians lowkey roasting guns and roses
not very low key
I went in expecting them to roast it. Sure, it’s a little unsophisticated, but they concede, it’s a glorious unpretentious hit. It feels good, sounds great, and harkens back to an era of earnest emotion in music. GN’R weren’t steely Dan or Weather Report, but they wrote great songs that meant a lot to people. And for the most part, the songs were delivered with an unrivalled emotion and swagger. Good players too.
I mean it's not an original idea, but G'n f'n R songs have different movements gratuitously added to them, particularly in November Rain. As a kid it blew my mind that a rock song could have different movements like an orchestral piece. It was so extra....
That where do we go now....ayai ayai ayai....those "ayai ayai ayai" that is the best part!!
I agree. A lot of GnR songs transform from light to dark, like this one, or November Rain, or dark to light like Estranged.
@@CordScott really loved Estranged, but it might be trash too to these dudes
@@rayperve Sean Hurley is the most accomplished guy on the panel musically and he seems to have some genuine admiration for GnR.
I started taking guitar lessons this summer (at 57-years-old, yeah.) Like the third lesson my teacher gave me was that guitar lick because it is essentially a practice exercise Slash used to do. He just took it and turned it into the song. It's good practice because you're skipping strings, keeping tempo, playing legato, and I'm playing it way down at the bottom of the neck, so there's a lot o' movement. I'm still trying to get it right.
Y'all still playing?
There's no legato in it. It's just picking.
Dont use your pinky
😂 We are so technical and great at song writing let's laugh at everything. How many records have you guys sold?
You have to remember the musical landscape of the time. It was all synth pop and new wave, and then the blistering opening riff of Welcome to the Jungle hits, and it signified that mainstream rock was back.
Well, there was lots and lots of formulaic hair metal too by that point in the 80's that needed a shakeup :)
@@davidsprenkle2641 except for Autograph and Turn on the Radio.
Haha!
@BloodyJasonMask yeah and with the exception of van Halen all those bands are shitty hair metal
@BloodyJasonMask well guns n roses isn't hair metal and van halen is actually original with most hair metal guitarists basically copying evh
"All synth pop and new wave"??? What? Not hardly. The most popular singular genre by a country mile from '83 thru '90 was melodic hard rock, aka "hair metal". It was huge - those artists were in regular radio rotation, MTV rotation, half the top 10 albums at any point during that stretch were hard rock. I lived through that entire period (and loved it!). Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Scorpions, AC/DC, Van Halen, Motley Crue, Ratt, Poison, Dokken then TONS of one-hit wonders through the late 80's. Even bands like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Queensryche, became huge - and the "thrash metal" genre became enormously successful with Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and others also getting heavy rotation. It was far from only synth pop and new wave. I'd argue that GNR were the first band to scratch the itch of everyone wanting something "new" and not the formulaic party-metal shlock -- call it a return to "mainstream" if you want, but it was basically a throwback to scaled-down, less overproduced, bluesy swarmy hard rock - Black Crowes saw popularity for the same reason. But it turned out to be a bit of a last gasp for that particular genre's popularity, with the nail being driven in further when grunge came storming in by '91.
I've been listening to this song since I was a baby... It's in my bones. And there's a reason my profile picture is Slash lmao. There's something about his solos that is just emotionally right. The vocal quality is there. Love that you did this one, and Sean was an awesome guest.
I have never been aware of this song being a joke? This song was pivotal to many young fans of rock back in the day. I am generally a fan of this channel, but this episode feels a bit different than prior ones. They have typically done such a good job of examining songs in the context of the era and state of the industry. This episode is ignoring all of that.
It would be interesting to get your genuine take on Nickelback
Imagine they say their amazingly talented and underrated greats of the music industry!
Nickelback = A good band that has some great songs.
@@MikeB12800 I hope they do say that. Nickelback deserves it!
To each their own. But they do indeed suck! Generic band with generic songs. If it wasn’t for the singers voice, couldn’t tell them apart from a thousand other bands
hmmmmmmm.....no
Keep in mind that GnR were at their peak from 1988 (when Sweet reached #1) and 1992 when both Use Your Illusion albums dominated...just 4 years, and they are considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time.
Also, I have never heard that they were the butt of jokes when it came to their music (maybe some criticism that the Use Your Illusion albums had too much filler, but that's it). The real "jokes" came at the expense of Axl's behavior.
Agree - and that short span still has me scratching my head to this day exactly WHY they are considered one of the greatest rock bands. I still don't get it, to be honest, they aren't for me. They had one all-time great rock album. Before their touring behind that single album was done, they were already imploding, nobody could stand Axl, and by the time they even got around to the follow up (Use Your Illusion I/II), Izzy Straddlin (who came up with a ton of the riffs for Appetite) decided he didn't want to be anywhere near those guys and left the band, they kicked out their heroin-addicted drummer, they had trouble being in the same room with each other, and had trouble writing any new material. Use Your Illusion I and II are not fantastic albums by any stretch, with the two best songs across two albums being covers. That tour imploded, and the band broke up shortly thereafter. Their songs were solid throwbacks to more of a bluesy 70's style hard rock - but I'd argue not necessarily enormously original in any way, though catchy and different. I was beyond shocked to see them get easily voted into the Rock Hall of Fame - I just don't see it. They weren't "influential" in any regard - no one followed them with any similar style, even themselves. They were caricatures of 80's rock excess and notable for that. Aside from that one great rock album, they were mostly a flash in the pan in my eyes - and I'm a hard rock fan going back to the late 70's. I really like that album. But all-time greats as a band? Nah.
Absolutely. Weak sauce. Not sure why anybody likes them. Never understood.
So satisfying. That album is just so so good.
Loving this channel, every week's video is great!!
loving the half hour of video ☕ goes well with my afternoon coffee
any Michael Jackson song episode would be great 👍
Stranger In Moscow
Heal The World
Say Say Say
PYT
Or as I like to say, "Quincy Jones records that Michael sang on".
@@barneymiller5488 Quincy only co- wrote 1 song (PYT) out of all 3 albums he did with MJ, meanwhile MJ wrote DSTYGE, Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin Something, Beat It, 90% of the Bad album and many others. Also he put out some of his best work after splitting with Quincy, wich was mostly written and produced by Michael.
@@adam-hp6qt Quincy was the creative mind behind Thriller. Not Michael. It's not an auteur piece of work. It doesn't exist without Michael's amazing voice. But Quincy & Rod Templeton had more to do with the sounds on that record than Michael. Unlike multi-talented artists like Prince or Stevie Wonder, Michael didn't produce it, arrange it or play any instruments on it. Michael was an amazing performer. A singer & a dancer. BAD had some fun stuff on it but it's the weakest of his three top records "Off The Wall" and "Thiller". And as stars get more famous they take more credit. So even the songwriting credit on BAD is sus. Regardless, his songs were never as good as Rod's. Or Prince's. Or Stevie Wonder's. Or The Beatles. Or a million other artists.
I loved Michael Jackson. Still do, (although it does seem he was indeed messed up in many ways). But I don't think of him as a songwriter. Never will. Quincy said it best himself about Thriller "He wrote four songs, and he sang his ass off, but he didn't conceive it - that's not how an album works".
Bit confused by this one. There were remarks about it being like it was written by high schoolers but didn’t really elaborate on what that actually means. Was it structure? Was it naivety in the parts? I’d love to know.
They could have probably cut a minute or two of the guy on the right giggling and replaced it with a bit about what makes it such a simple song.
The song is cheese, without the slash guitar lines, the rest of the song is silly and weak.
@@dthorne4602 LOL you don't know what you are talking about
@@AG-mz7vm sure I do, this is a shitty song. Sorry if you like it. Everyone has a right to their own personal taste, even if I think they have horrible taste. enjoy it.
Great fun watching you guys have fun. And props to Ryan for the cool yellow Cooderstang.
Heck yeah for the longer episode!
"Every kid guitar player knows that licc and plays that licc"
*quietly* "guilty"
Let's get a thumbs up for every "guilty" out there!
I was so ecstatic the first time I got it right, remember it vividly.
I saw them open for The Cult, who were touring their album Electric at the time. No one had heard of them in Canada. Their first album hadn’t been released yet. But they were incredible live & I wasn’t surprised the album became such a huge hit.
The Cult was another band just bringing some great hard rock. Underrated band until today.
Electric era Cult with Just Pre Appetite GnR? Yes please. That must've been some show you saw!
Probably best concert I've ever been to! They had to cut it just when they started "Welcome to the Jungle" because of a thunderstorm, we did not know if they'd continue, everyone was brought to shelter except for us handicapped people, we've basically been left out in the rain. Then they came back. Just rocking out, everyone having fun. Soaking wet. It took us forever to get back home, I think it was 6am the next morning. Loved it! ❤️ And I cherish my totally overpriced logo tote bag with all my heart. 😊
Rapidly becoming my favorite music channel!! Interesting insight that GNR is the bridge from Glam to Grunge…
Finally rock, nice. Do something about RHCP please. Or Radioead. Thanks
yea, we need some Radiohead videos :y
^^ Retweet ^^
+1 for Radiohead (and not just Creep please, there are so many good and intricate songs)
We need "Jigsaw falling into place" :y
Dude! When Sean talks about that wah! When this record came out I sat for hours trying to figure out how to get that sound on the solo. I had NO idea what a wah pedal was at the time. I was about to ask for a Les Paul (which isn't even a Les Paul in this case) for Christmas because I thought it was something to do with THAT kind of guitar. LMAO! Too funny that other people were having the same experience.
Right. You need to experiment on how to put the analog effects in the right order. Then the zoom digital effect came out and it was super easy to mimic most settings.
I’m so glad Sean mentioned The Night Game. Been listening to them for a few years now and I had no idea he played bass on this last record. There are some truly AMAZING bass lines on that record!
I was in 5th grade when this album was released, and it was so visceral and accessible to kids and teenagers at the time. The video was everywhere, and the album was one of my first buys. Still love the album. :)
Another interesting factoid is that every vocal line on this album was its own take. Axl wanted the vocals to be at full power all the time. This meant that even back then they could seldom perform songs from Appetite as well live as the songs don't have enough time between lines for the breathing required.
You can hear Jack’s pure disdain for Guns n Roses here. I think he can’t believe that people genuinely like the song.
Well, he is a hipster and they tend to be quite snobby. I find that funny because I think they are the biggest joke of all.
Been a Pomplamoose and Scary Pockets fan for years and I just discovered this channel. I'm surprised that Jack is the CEO of Patreon.. 🤯
Been learning a lot from this channel..keep it up..
I love this show. It's so great to see these breakdowns. I could listen to these three all day.
I would love to see this treatment for any Prince song.
In the end - its a f*cking great song.
I love the background knowledge you usually have on the songs you review. Apart from Sean, that was lacking here. 30 minutes watching some interview footage with the band would've given this better direction.
Love it guys! Would love to unpack D'Angelo or Erykah Badu 🧡🙌
Love this video got recommended and I had a great time
ha. Slash was 20 to 22 when he wrote some of the most iconic hard rock riffs and solos.
Slash never played with -checks notes- john legend and alicia keys tho🤭
great job highlighting some of the hooks and texture layers, but you whiffed on structure. Solo kicks off a key change. Song starts in D. Pivots to G using the minor version (Em).
Em - C - B - Am. Slash exploits this gear change to max effect by turning the C into a diminished and the B into an augmented. Both chords possess an ability to pick your ear like a nose.
and the key change means there is no minor V - it's a ii in the new key. and there never was a minor IV in any multi-verse.
I was left wondering when the professional part of professional musicians reacting would kick in. It's one guy who was there at the time retelling how it changed the scene and two guys giggling at the song in disbelief for most of it. Had they spent 20 minutes going through the song before hitting record, they could have told their audience that the change to the riff going into the chorus was an arpeggiated A (with a third for the bass and a sus variation thrown in) and C also with a sus variation (tuned down a half step like the rest of the song) instead of throwing up their hands and going "it's a mystery what these notes are, but they must have worked them out".
The new bits obviously change to suit the background chords which move the same way, until landing on the D, where the start of the intro riff repeats.
I would absolutely love an episode on outsider music i.e. Daniel Johnston, the shaggs, captain beefheart etc. Definitely a different feel from these episodes, but it would be very interesting to watch this group of musicians discussing that topic :]
How did you guys mic the conversation?? It sounds amazing
Dos melhores canais do RUclips, por favor continuem que eu já sou completamente viciado
It's insane how GnR pulled that off. They were raw, agressive and true. Yet they went with that one, even Slash didn't really like it, he thought it didn't represent Guns. Typical cheesy up tempo ballad. Well even that risky, naive thing: it ends up being iconic and cool. Also, it flows with the great GREAT Appetite album. Good for them if they had a single for the masses, I don't care for Sweet Child by itself, it's just another cool part of Appetite, a freaking masterpiece of 5 futur rock stars living and breathing music 110%.
Just listened to this again; at the very last second, there's a neat little major arpeggio to finish things. Also, you guys could do a whole wah pedal episode and I'd be down.
DUDE, what Sean talks about (and how he talks about it) is what every GNR fan always pays attention to when listening to any track by them. They had a totally unique sound and so "signature", as they were in my opinion the best combination of influences of music for how this type of rock should sound. They put me in the very center of the passion for music and made me pick up a guitar with purpouse. Considering where I'm from (Ecuador), and my age: thank God I found them.
It's a bit weird to hear Jack being introduced as "CEO of Patreon" in a music channel. Like, "what's this business guy doing here?" It underplays the fantastic work on Pomplamoose!
Jack got in the centre of an internet rage for not mentioning he was CEO of Patreon. ruclips.net/video/0KF98bknZ-U/видео.html
@@MarcoRoepers oh wow. I guess I understand it. He can still say he's also a musician though.
I honestly don't get what the joke is here or why they spend so much time laughing at the song. I love a wide range of rock, metal, punk from 60s to today and IMO this track is one of the all time classics. This is up there with the best rock songs of all time.
So, what am I missing here?
Nothing, they are just snobs.
A vulfpeck breakdown with someone from Vulfpeck like Theo would be incredibleeeeeee
It would be great if you guys can also do a video on Nujabes; a famous Japanese DJ and composer who arranged pieces with jazz music and styling of old hip hop into a surreal relaxing vibe and great beats. He basically influenced the lofi music genre. If you haven’t heard of him check out Aruarian Dance, Love (sic) songs (especially part 3), and Another Reflection.
Oh dear. I discovered you guys today and this is the fourth video of yours I've watched. I have already posted you are a perfect find following on from Rick Beato. But then this. Why? So mean spirited. Why? This is an iconic song and Appetite for Destruction is an iconic album. I am older than you guys - the Kinks was the first album I bought, Led Zeppelin one of the first concerts I went to, followed music changes over the years and love all kinds of music. Played rhythm guitar in a covers band. For all your training, do you actually get the range and variety of rock music? So mean spirited. :(
A joke? No they were bloody awesome mate!
Exactly! None of my music friends ever thought they were a joke. This is the first I've heard such criticism. Some people don't like Axl, but I've not heard them referred to as a joke, which is kind of disappointing from this channel, frankly.
It's how it makes you feel. If it's simple so what. It's timeless.
Do you not like chocolate candy.?
Just enjoy it.
Everyone is welcome to their takes on a tune or group.
But if you try to discredit it. That won't dissolve memories of what got your juices flowing back in the day.
That's priceless parts of your creative formation. Memories of Seratonin flow & feelings of well being. Is it the most polished & masterful?? Not in your formulas, but it works. So that makes it special. If it's guilty of anything it's not fitting into a formula.
Just enjoy it & do your awesome things that you all do so well.
Thank for introducing The Night Game 🥰 they’re pretty awesome band
Great musicians talking about other musicians is amazing. But hey, Jack, thanks for founding the Patreon! You change how people appreciate to art and music. Thank you! 🥰
Here are my 2 cents: I am 99% sure the song is about a teenage groupie. What is amazing is that the band rode this song (Sweet Child of Mine), "Paradise City", and great guitar and drum playing into the hall of fame. "Welcome to the Jungle", the later stuff, and Axle's singing are utterly pedestrian. How many other bands made into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame from only two great songs and lots of bad-boy press coverage? It's amazing. "Paradise City" and "Sweet Child of Mine" are masterpieces.
Couldn't agree more! I lived through all the hard-rock/metal popularity starting in late 70's through the 80's and into the 90's grunge period, and though I really like Appetite for Destruction, and consider it a singular all-time great rock album (and one of the best debuts ever), tagging GNR as an all-time great band mystifies me. That incarnation of the band only lasted one album! By Use Your Illusion they were imploding, a key member and songwriter (Izzy) had left the band, their heroin-addicted drummer was kicked out, and they couldn't stand being in the same room together. Use Your Illusion I/II pales in comparison to AFD on every level. And I've never heard any band of any influence say that GNR influenced them somehow. How that very short stack of memorable music, by a band that wasn't very influential, translates into "all time greats" I'll never understand. I do remember hearing them for the first time clear as day, though -- they were definitely "different" than what had evolved by '87, with MTV and radio being dominated by over-produced party rock shlock mostly. To my ears, and many folks like me, they were more of a throw-back to swampy, bluesy, 70's-ish hard rock - that's what caught peoples attention. It's also what made bands like the Black Crowes successful and why they became popular. I heard Paradise and Sweet Child before they were singles and knew those songs in particular were going to explode. The sing along catchiness within the gritty hard rock framework was undeniable. But it wasn't entirely original, really. And nothing on Use Your Illusion sounds transformative or original at all (some of the reviews here talking about "never hearing songs with movements like November Rain" have obviously never heard dozens of other bands who did that and did it better...and much earlier....Led Zeppelin? Black Sabbath? Rush? Yes?...) I'd argue that GNR signaled that it was very much time for a shift. Bands like Guns N Roses scratched what was starting to be that itch for something new. Black Crowes continued it, and when the buzz about Seattle bands (which I remember well from around '88/'89 timeframe) started forming, the seeds were well planted for what became the grunge movement, which itself was a throwback to just gritty guitar rock (with a mash of blues, punk, and metal influences).
I love how you give records or songs you currently listening in.
Love this channel
Appreciated Sean adding a lot of context. I've always loved Slash's sound on this song, especially in The Good Part. Was he supposed to sound like Allan Holdsworth?
That song always makes me smile. Just flat out fun. Very smart commentary. Good stuff.
This is such a confusing take. I've never considered GnR to be the "butt of jokes". Great band in their peak with fantastic musicianship and iconic songs. 'Sweet Child O Mine' isn't front loaded at all. Sure, they were considered by many hard rock fans (especially in the context of their Metallica rivalry in the 90's) to be a pop band, and both 'Spaghetti Incident' and 'Chinese Democracy' are best forgotten, but I'm left a little taken aback by the mockery in this video. Oh well, opinions eh!
This is the best round table on YT.
I would really enjoy you rect to some 60s/70s psychadelic music. Also, still waiting for a Beach Boys reaction! Love the series, their existence is an actual dream come true for me, thank you, Jack!
I want a half-hour dissection of The Great Gig in the Sky
The lyric session on that one will be good
Thanks for being respectfully critical of this. It's the background music of my senior year in highschool (yes, old guy here) and it's very nostalgic to hear it now. In retrospect, none of these guys were musical geniuses but they were cool to the bone. Even back then I thought some of Axel's lyrics were not great (Take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girls are pretty) but even Don Henley had some really stinky lyrics (All she wants to do is dance and make romance. Can feel the heat coming off the street. Ugh) Thanks guys
Axl and Slash are both musical geniuses.
@@MrPDTaylor I respect your opinion and meant no disrespect to them as they are rock heros of mine.
Respectfully disagree, they are geniuses. It's never about how difficult you can go technically, that's only practice and genetics, it's about how recognizable, unique, fresh what you do. It's usually about that "aha" moment you feel when you see or hear something that's using the same principles everyone's doing, but rearranged, dissected and put together in a new way you never thought about.
@@MiklosHajma You have a good point. Everytime their music came on the radio, I'd turn it up. An artistic genius is what you are saying, I think. You're argument is swaying my initial response the other way. Thank you
@Dale Jones: For many, I think the lyrics of 'Paradise City' were simple, but conveyed that for the average person, paradise is made of simple things. I was 14 and on vacation when this was popular in '88 down in Myrtle Beach and 'Paradise City' reminds me of that time. In my short life with a lot of struggles under my belt, it was paradise to me.
The description of the “where do we go” part as “let’s jam bro” is the perfect description of a notable part
I read somewhere that they recorded the beginning rhythm backing track first. Then Slash, because there wasn’t a click track, had to time his intro to when he thought the rhythm track was going to start. Apparently, he had to do it a number of times to time it up properly. Slash finally nailed it, but you’ll notice that he was actually a little slow in his tempo and speeds up when the rhythm part kicks in.
This GnR album really was a game changer when it first came out. Despite their ridiculous band dynamics and antics in later years, I never saw them as a joke. The title of this video seems like click bait, but your other videos rise above that. Sorta disappointed that you seemed to go into this video with a bit of an agenda, as opposed to an open minded review, reaction, or analysis of the song.
100%
Yuuuup
Cmon gnr is great I can’t stand the hate towards them in the music community. Slash is such a great player
It cracks me up when you are talking about Axl and lyrics. I remember when G&R hit, no one at the time thought Axl was a genius. His job was to front and he managed to somehow do that extremely well (until he didn’t.) He innately knew how to bring us along for the ride.
I’d like to see them breakdown November Rain by GnR, since the band themselves said that song and Use Your Illusion record was aimed to be a more mature album compared to their early songs
The opinions in this video really fascinate me. Glad to see so many people in the comments are pushing back. To me, the structure is not front-loaded, back-loaded, etc. It's brilliant and perfect. Indelible, singable mixolydian up front, with a solid A/B/A/B, then a fabulous shift in tone for one of the absolute greatest solos ever recorded (in my top 10 for sure) and a raucous back half that follows the solo so naturally--the balance is perfect. It's a perfect song. Genius, genius, genius.
Agree 100%. Saying it's "front loaded" just reveals how little they understand the song and its uniquely captivating structure. This song deserved a better, less-biased analysis. I would contrast this somewhat condescending take with something Rick Beato would do for his WMTSG series.
They have so many better songs that still stand up as some of the best rock songs ever made
you guys should do a spotify playlist with all of your recommendations
You guys need to listen to the rest of the album. I was watching MTV at the same time as Sean, apparently.