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GUITAR and BASS CABINETS explained! What's better when?
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2024
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German Producer Kristian Kohle (ABORTED, POWERWOLF, VAN CANTO, ESKIMO CALLBOY) shows you the difference between guitar and bass cabinets in both construction and sound.
And he shows you how to use them both for a great bass tone!
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What are you guys using for your bass tones? Guitar or Bass cabinets?
While rehearsals I'm using a bass cab of course. For my tone, I take a Darkglass X Ultra. On recordings, I only use a DI signal and the Neural DSP Parallax plugin.
I really like the Aurosa DSP Mammoth and the Neural DSP Darkglass! I used to blend the D.I with a guitar amp.
I use the neural DSP darkglass plugin. I'm a guitar player, so my bass tone knowledge is pretty limited. This video was cool!
I usually cut DI tracks of the bass and the amp itself and use IR's later on the amp track. I never tried to use an IR of a guitar cab or blend one in, but it seems like I should give it a try.
I use an Ampeg 8x10, 2 Peavey and a Ranger 2x15 with different speakers.. The 15s have some *great* mids.
I hear you are working on a guitar course. That's all fine and good. What the world really needs though is "Kristian Kohles German for metal producers course".
"Learn to use expressions like "dängeldängel", "brutzelbrutzel" and "das muss drücken im Gesicht, sonst taugt das nichts" correctly and comprehensively"
Haha!
Guitar cab: Eviction notice
Bass cab: Neighbors throw bricks through the window
🤣
ONLY IF YOU’RE DOING IT RIGHT!!!
@@edryba4867 Thankfully my apartment is ultra soundproof and sound treated since it doubles as my studio so no more cranky neighbors for me, I can have even a sunn amp in full blast through a 4x12.
MAN! THAT’S LOUD! I remember problems like that. It’s why my wife and I begged, borrowed and stole to get enough cash to put a down payment on an actual house - with a concrete-filled, steel-reinforced cinder-block wall that goes almost all the way around the property. You have to get up to RIDICULOUS LEVELS (I’m talking ear- bleed territory) for the bass to bug the neighbors with a setup like that if you’ve done it correctly. It’s kinda like living in a blockhouse at the Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral!
Great video Kristian! You Rock my friend!
Warren! What does your bass setup typically look like?
I was DI-only for a long time but in the last 6 months - since I've moved into my small-commercial-sized space - using a bass amp has been GREAT. I answered the "what's your bass tracking rig" under Kristian's post above. It can get...complicated!
@@DontWorryImAPilot You seem like a great guy too.
Dude, please do the IR's! I really need some good bass IR's in my life.
I thought it was not special enough or maybe too close to the Bugera tone. don't you think?
Don't wanna annoy people with too many products.
@@KohleAudioKult It's not annoying at all, your products are all fantastic
By far the best channel for learning about recording metal!
But I kinda like when Glenn Fricker yells at me on the SpectreDigital channel (SMG Studios).
Tweeters in bass cabs: "if you do too much, it sounds like Korn" lmao
Or maybe more like: "If you do too much, it smells like fried tweeters"?
I absolutely love your videos, not only do they help me to learn new things, they also always lift my mood
I'm Actually very thankful as a aficionado home studio that you take time in actually giving tips in a mix with the bass, wich has helped me alot in my mixes.
Already sold my soul, but I can sell you my grandma, she's a sweetie. She's definitely worth at least a couple bass IRs.
My favorite comment so far! Thumbs up to you and your granny!
@@KohleAudioKult
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One of the most informative yet. I'd love those IRs, if they turn out.
Thank you, as always, for all you do!
As soon as you hit on the condenser mic I could actually tell a pretty big difference. First time I've seen such a huge tonal difference being conveyed on youtube. Excellent quality vid, definitely subscribing.
Love these videos! Thanks
A cool experiment that all engineers should do at least once is play white noise through their rig at low volume, then put on some headphones, hold the mic, and move it around the speaker to hear what the speaker is actually doing. Its a big eye opener. Or ear opener!
I would have liked to heard the two cabs blended
Great video featuring a lot of good information and examples. Thanks, Kristian.
Love the channel!!! Well thought out and executed!!!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Waiting for the IRs, great video as always man.
Interested and already sold my soul, great content as always ;)
Super awesome tutorial Kristian! Thank you so much!
I'm just gonna say that I'll be waiting for those IRs
Dope as usual brother. Of course we want the ir's. Great content🍺🤘
So much good information here. We are definitely interested in any IR you would release.
That VT pedal is great. I have one. It works pretty well on its own, even without an amp sometimes. Oh yah, more IR's are always welcome!
This is awesome dude ... keep it coming !
Another great video, Kohle!
I'm quite a fan of using Bass Professor II, particularly when there are resonant frequencies. My favourite bass cab is actually the George Lynch Genz Benz 2x12. The 4 bass ports work wonders.
Yes please give us these IR's!
I learned a lot from this one, thank you Kristian!
Great video, I'm really looking forward to those IRs. =)
Cool that you used the Hiwatt for some nice Bass Tones! Love to get my Handy on these IRs, as well! :-) Great Video!
bass speakers feel "stiff". which makes for a really punchy low end that has fortitude. guitar speakers feel "soft", which makes them SO much better for distortion.
my usual setup for a distorted bass is a low passed DI out of a clean-ish bass amp, mixed with an overdriven mid and high track through a bass cab and a guitar cab. low end on a dial. high end on a dial. 2 different flavors of overdrive on a dial. personally i like an SVT 8x10 and an orange 4x12.
Because the guitar speaker is being used at the limit of its excursion.
Great video man! Having the right bass tone is really important, especially for heavy music imho. I always split my bass signal when recording, one way to a DI box straight into DAW for the "clean" part of the tone, and the second way goes into a higain transistor guitar amp and to a guitar cabinet miced with a kick drum mic. Then I put a low pass filter on the distorted track and the result is very interesting.
Keep 'em coming!
Thanks man! Sounds like a great rig.
Funny how we started our first hardcore band (3 piece) with Marshall 800 half stack for bass and hiwatt 73 100 also half stack with a 60's cab. & once in a while when I listen to the recordings I do like it a lot! Although we had no experience on tone i still wish we still had that gear cause it makes for some good, powerful tone that think newer gear gear lacks. Good show 👏
Great stuff, I'd be interested in the IR's never hurts to have more, all I've got for bass IR's at the moment are the ones that I got as a bonus when I preordered Bassforge Hellraiser.
Excellent vid 👍
Amazing how much stuff we can learn on your videos!
wow, so inspiring! Those IR’s would be great.
Very informative. I kind of do this inside my Helix. I do the split and grit method. Split crossover around 300hz. Low end being fucking squashed then mixing back into the amp and cab. The high end runs through the b7k model before heading to the head and cab. Thinking about keeping the signals separate now though. I'll definitely try it with the highs going through a guitar cab and the lows through my ampeg 8x10 IR.
I am definitely interested in some bass IRs!!! I liked the tones beginning @15:29 the best.
Great as usual :) I am interested in those bass IR's (love your Eminence Pack!). Cheers :)
Thanks man!
On a good distortion / overdrive pedal you should be able to adjust the high enough to eq out the "DI with no cabinet" effect. I use a Two notes cab M+ (one of the stock cabinets) together with the Aftershock from source Audio and have never had any problems with harsh highs.
I can watch these type of comparison videos all day. Just experimenting with heads and cabs. It’s fun.
Thanks! There will be a lot more for sure!
Please do the IR pack. I'm tracking bass for a dream pop group with a friend, and hardcore solo stuff. I could use a huge variety of IRs
Really interested to have bass IR ! Great vidéo AGAIN !
I would love to have those IRs. I was actually thinking if I should try to make myself three. Unfortunately I don't have the best mics for that I'm afraid.
Thanks. This was interesting, and I think made more sense as I watched the interview with the Jenson rep first.
Ever used tech21 di 2112 pedal?
I’m playing my PRS MT-15 through my darkglass dg112n cabinet and it sounds good. I have nothing to compare it to, but it’s actually decent. I will buy a speaker cabinet for the MT15, but for now that’s what I had already bc I only played bass for some years.
11:30 sounds great. Can't believe this dude plays bass so well too.
You can also use microphone on bass reflex hole of cab. Same like on kick drum. To gather low end punch.
Speakers are waaaaay different. Bass speaker cones are a lot stiffer and the suspension is much stronger. Their xmax (i.e. max excursion) is way higher too. The horn is usually a compression driver, as I understand it. As far as bass reflex ports... Some are some aren't.
Definitely interested in the irs!
Totally interested in getting those ir's!!
Keyboard cabs often have similar extended range (for hopefully obvious reasons). For bass, I use a Carvin KB1015 cab (I own but don't use the amp for bass). It has 1x15 and 2x10 with separate inputs, so I can use my GED-2112 and route the deep (mostly clean) channel into the 1x15 and the distorted tone into the 10s. I can then mic the 1x15 with a ribbon and one of the 10s with a dynamic. This is great for mixing since I can compress the two differently (more comp on the low end for consistency and less on the top for some dynamics). I can also automate bass fills on just the distorted channel.
That sounds like a smart setup!
I use both in my stereo rig. I use a power cab + for high end and an old bass crate for my low end and high ( believe it or not)and clean tones. I have eq's on both paths ( personally I think they are indispensable)The guitar amp just does distortion and effects better, and that incredible mid tone i just can't get on a bass speaker. Together they cover my overall sound so well. so well I couldnt imagine playing with only one amp anymore. ☆ I play my bass and guitar threw same amps.
Thanks for the tips on the mics. I have been having trouble finding a mic I like for bass
Sounds like an amazing rig! Thanks!
Sick vid Kristian! I always experimented with using guitar cabs and bass cabs but eventually I just used plugins after DI into my interface due to my living situation. Please release those bass IRs, especially with one already blending the 3! Also, would you ever do a video on the use of single coil pickups in metal? I have been maining a Jazzmaster for the past 2 or 3 years and havent seen too many great videos on the subject. Especially pertaining to something like a non standard single coil style pick up. Anywho, keep these videos coming! They are one of the few enjoyable things about being stuck at home D:
Thanks man! Happy to make you happy!
And the single coil idea is great. Noted!
Thanks!) Very usefull :)
I believe Robert DeLeo of STP used a pre amp pedal + power amp into a bass cab and a Marshall head into a guitar amp for his tone. Also Royal Blood does some similar splitting of the signal (I think he uses an octave pedal as well) to get that wall of tone from just a bass.
Awesome, good idea of those IR's
This is a pretty awesome vídeo.
I had a Crate 4x12 bass cab that I used for guitar. I tried all kinds of speakers in it, I LOVED it with K100s. I used it with a Windsor head boosted up front with a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Classic, set totally clean but with the output volume pegged, which pushes the front end of the amp like 4 times as much as any 9 volt box. I'd set everything on the amp at about halfway and flip the pedal on and get tight high gain that still sounded kinda vintagey, and that bass 4x12 with the K100s in it kicked serious ass. I think it was just sealed and not ported. The inside was very well insulated, and it was definitely heavier than a guitar cab. It was also smaller in height and width than the Mesa oversize (guitar) cab my bass player had. It was actually good. If I found another 4x12 or 2x12 bass cab, unloaded or otherwise, for cheap, I'd grab it up. It's something about how they make the baffle and how they insulate the inside that makes it unique for guitar tone. Seriously, try putting Vintage 30s in a non-ported bass cab and A/B it with the same Vintage 30s in whatever cab they were in before. It's a cool sound.
I made a 2x12 open back cabinet with ciare 12inch sub audio speakers for filthy heavy fuzz tones and combine it with a laney ironhearts heavy gain and it is awesome
Just like your video, and your sounding bass tones !!!
Thank you mister :D
You're welcome!
I have a fender rumble with a tweeter and mics of the same ilk, I might go looking for the Klank!
I'm going to combine the Orange super crush 100w with my 4x12 bass cab I'm wondering now.
The video and the info is amazing, Thanks.
I run my guitar through an old Carvin 8x10 bass cab, and it gives me crushing tone when I'm playing by myself...too much from a production standpoint, though, because the guitar really needs those mids to cut through and be heard.
Great video! Now can you take a look at the Mesa Boogie Triple Crown and teach us how to dial in tone with it??
Love the rough end of that bass neck
That’s awesome! Thanks so much!… i wonder if the first sm7b on the bass speaker becomes a bit redundant though, maybe all u need is the ksm32 for low-end, mic on the horn for high end, and the sm7b on a guitar cab for mids ?
Those IRs would be great!
Best bass tone i ve ever had with a cab is thru my ampeg 410 he with the tweeter off and a 115e on thr bottom. The 410 have all the tone and punch due to the sealed cab and "small" speaker, so the speaker have a small group delay, and on top of that can add some very subtle low sub that the vented 15 don t produce at all. But the 15 add that roundness on the low that the 410 lack.
Hey Fab, I realize I'm 1yr. late, but did you bypass/eliminate x-over from the overall circuit in the 4x10? I did same as you with a GK Neo4x10, but lots of upper-mids were simply GONE, until I rewired the 10s full range. Cone grit/dist. kicks horn grit's wimp-ass all f'kin day! It's full-tilt FTW!
Those IRs would be awesome, man!
Love it!
I use a 2x12 tc bass cab.
I was about to get that one as well!
Bring on the IR goodness!
Love the dangle dangle videos 🤘😜🤘
For the new Ov Moros album (due to release this week) I ran my Jackson Concert bass into a Tech 21 SansAmp Bass Driver DI for initial tone, and dry signal to it's own channel as a safety track or reamping, then split it off to A) a Sonic 4x10 w/horn cabinet driven by a Behringer BX4500H head for the clean tone, miked with a Shure KSM32 on one 10" driver and an MXL 990 on the horn; B) into a Tech 21 DP-3X (Dug Pinnick's pedal) for it's awesome distortion characteristics, then into a 4x12 bottom cabinet with EHX drivers powered by a Carvin MTS 3200 head, which was miked with another Shure KSM32 on one driver and a Sennheiser E609 on another. The tones I ended up with are glorious. Gut-punch and grind. Great video, Kohle! If that Hiwatt BBQ ever needs a new home, hit me up! :D
Sounds like we're in the same boat. Great rig!
@@KohleAudioKult Pretty much! Thanks!
The best kick ass metal guitar sound i ever had was plugin a high gain metal preamp into a ampeg bass amp and thru a 8x10 ampeg fridge. With that setup i can tel you palm mutes literally spank you.
After trying several combination i can tell the secret sauce here is the 8x10 bass cab. The preamp could be as simple as a MT2 (yes boys it's a peamp not an effect) and the ampeg amp was neither fancy (i think it was a B2).
I tried plugin guitar tube head directly into that cab (i think there was a TSL and a Blackstar), the result was good but not great. My guess is you need the low pass filter that is present at the end of most metal preamp to roll off the undesirable highs, that's normally what your guitar speaker do.
I haven't try with other type of bass cab but damn that one was cool.
Really worth trying
Ok, i am excited to learn! :D
Never considered using guitar IRs for bass, but might try rolling off the highs of a bass IR and the lows of a guitar IR rather than splitting the track into two and then controlling the low end by adjusting the level of the bass cab
My favourite grit sound for bass is a dual rec pushed cleaned into a v30. I have an old hartke combo I like because of the aluminum cone, and I found the best way to get low end was to mic it's rear port.
How do the aluminum cones sound like?
@@KohleAudioKult Very percussive and bright, it was almost "clank" before everyone was chasing it. The full aluminum cone was the biggest part of the Dave Ellefson/Megadeth tone. It doesn't produce a lot of low end, which is probably why I found the port to be the best option for micing for it instead of on the speaker directly.
Another kick ass video! How about a studio tour?
That’s planned after we have finished renovating the second control room
Thanks for your videos Kristian !
I would love to listen to you discuss about studio monitors (including the need for (or not) a subwoofer ?).
Would be cool to hear your views on that topic.
I’ll talk about that in the Kohle Audio Kult Academy once it’s up and running.
@@KohleAudioKult sweet ! I'll be sure not to miss it !
I don't know the answer but I do know that my Orange GRO50 played through my Acoustic 2-15 bass cabinet sounds pretty FN good. It covers a bar gig with no mic.
What are your thoughts on running a high gain guitar head through a bass cab for a metal guitar tone, something like an Ampeg SVT-410HE cab?
I'm quite surprised the SM7b was so light on the lows. I always thought it was a dark sounding mic, now it know it's more of a a mid sounding mic.
I wonder if the RE30 from Electrovoice might make a better dynamic mic for bass instruments?
But would you run guitar through the bass cab? I am thinking about an ampeg 2x10 for my tiny terror and run bass and guitar through it, with a DI as well. Or an Ampeg 1x12 and use tiny terror for both, with DI.
Yes plz I need some good bass cab IRs
Sounds phenomenal on my iphone 📱 😁
Yesssss! I needed some dängle in my life
For live situations, is it logical to use eq pedal connected to fx loop to tame some higher end? Tech21 does great bass pedals, especially preamps. Both BDDI and VT Bass are amazing. And I am not sure, do VT Bass has internal speaker sim? And did you left it on (if so, intentionally?)
This is quality content
Yeah yeah yeah!! Bass ir's would be great, there is not a lot of them online anywhere.. I yeah I would try to blend different ir's like that using Libra plugins that would be freaking great.
YES! An opinion from another fine Libra!
Super video! Sometimes i think i know this kind of stuff... But when you explain it... I always feel i know it a lot better🤘. Thanks
What's the name of that bass?
Great to hear that!
That's an old ESH Sovereign
I'm a Jazz , funk, blues guy but this was good ... subbed
Welcome! I hope you’ll get used to the noise, haha! 🍺❤️
Very interesting video ! If you can, try some fane guitar speakers (like in hiwatt cab) with bass ;-)
Pretty interesting man. You should check out the cabinets from motus.mx. It's a boutique brand from Mexico city. They use Eminence 12″, Faital Pro 6.5″ and peerless 1" silk dome.
yeah putting a mic on the tweeter really brings it all together! have you tried using ribbon mics at all? i wonder how those voodoo vr1 would sound
I think did that on my Lemmy bass video in this channel.
Chris O’Dowd Love your videos lol
What if you have a ported guitar cab and use it with a bass guitar? My Port City Os Wave cab puts out some extended bass. Have you ever tried comparing one to a 4x12?
Great video! Sounds awesome! Any fear of blowing up/ wearing out the guitar speaker with too much low end from the bass amp?
Nope! Never had any issues. Just make sure you don't use a 500w bassamp.
Makes perfect sense! Thanks!