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  • Matching impedance between amplifier and speaker is incredibly important, but how many speaker cabinets can you connect to your amp? And which impedances are safe? We discuss the science so that you no longer will be Too Afraid To Ask.
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  • @ScienceofLoud
    @ScienceofLoud  3 года назад +43

    Matching impedance between amplifier and speaker is incredibly important, but how many speaker cabinets can you connect to your amp? And which impedances are safe? We discuss the science so that you no longer will be Too Afraid To Ask.
    Leave your TATAs in the comments or on our dedicated TATA channel in the CSGuitars Discord
    Thank you to Patreon for funding the creation of this video
    #impedance #ohms #speaker
    More from CSGuitars:
    Gain access to exclusive content at: www.patreon.com/csguitars
    Join CSGuitars Discord - discord.gg/d7b6MY8
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    Contact - colin@csguitars.co.uk

    • @thehoppo
      @thehoppo 3 года назад +2

      But Col Dave Friedman is on record as saying a mis-match either way one up or one down is ok. Maybe not for vintage amps though...Your point on it being optimal is not disputed though

    • @thedanksavatron7782
      @thedanksavatron7782 3 года назад +2

      Question ❓ 🤔
      If u use 2 drop tuning pedals can u drop the the lowest tuning of the first pedal & open a portal to Hell❓🌋👹🎸

    • @SebastianCoDe
      @SebastianCoDe 3 года назад

      Nice video dude!! thank you for the information. I'm looking forward my first valve amp and had no clue about this impedance subject. SUBSCRIBED!!

    • @peterwelsh1932
      @peterwelsh1932 2 года назад

      @@thehoppo I feel like he addresses this in this video fully, while going out of his way to acknowledge and not offend people like Col Dave..(?)...

    • @peterwelsh1932
      @peterwelsh1932 2 года назад

      This is exactly what I'm seeking for my Orange Amps. Perfect video, and my "TH30" has the exact same speaker outs.
      But now I need to know: besides impedance: how do I decide whether to use 1, 2, 4, 6 or 8 speakers?
      Do I take the total Watts of the amp and get speakers to add up to that?
      So a 100 watt Marshall could do a 4x12 of 25watt speakers? But don't they use 100 watt heads on full stacks?
      Did you already do a vid on this? Plz explain . Or just tell me what to put with the TH30 (😹)
      PLZ/THX -P

  • @dutch_urth
    @dutch_urth 3 года назад +58

    I like how you kept the part of my question about digging shards of glass out of my eyes. :P

  • @soconn14
    @soconn14 3 года назад +312

    Bold assumption that I was taught this in an American high school physics class.

    • @MrDussek
      @MrDussek 3 года назад +8

      exactly i never took physics all of this equation stuff is brand new to me

    • @someonethirsty1957
      @someonethirsty1957 3 года назад +4

      He’s not a Native American. I don’t even know if he’s in America.

    • @ChrisLeeW00
      @ChrisLeeW00 3 года назад +5

      "You guys are taking physics in High School?!"

    • @antioche6276
      @antioche6276 3 года назад +7

      @@someonethirsty1957 hes Scott, living in Scotland

    • @Jihadbearzwithgunz
      @Jihadbearzwithgunz 3 года назад +3

      Lol right . I learned this myself on the internet when I was a teen working in a music store so I could answer the questios

  • @omegaelixir
    @omegaelixir 3 года назад +66

    Headroom Bedroom 😂
    Wow funny but makes sense

    • @ScienceofLoud
      @ScienceofLoud  3 года назад +11

      The best way to label a power limiting switch

    • @tallalexander
      @tallalexander 3 года назад

      High power switchin or Kitchen
      If you don’t play in your bedroom 🤔

    • @tallalexander
      @tallalexander 3 года назад

      High power switchin or Kitchen
      If you don’t play in your bedroom 🤔

  • @guitarsimon1
    @guitarsimon1 3 года назад +25

    As a guitarist of 15 years who’s only ever had combos or modellers this was the primer I needed, cheers dude!

  • @omegaelixir
    @omegaelixir 3 года назад +36

    I need 2 cabs, one for each amp because I nearly forgot to plug it in before so having 2 cabs makes it easier not to make the amps go boom. Purely for convenience and safety

  • @almostclement4975
    @almostclement4975 3 года назад +14

    This probably the 18th video I’ve watched on this subject and I still don’t understand it..
    that’s why I like combos.

  • @Kapsouro
    @Kapsouro 3 года назад +12

    Drinking my coffee... waiting for Colin to begin. :)

  • @davel_ggw
    @davel_ggw 3 года назад +19

    Something I also see people sometimes get confused about is that a tube amp puts out the same rated power regardless of what impedance cab is used. In other words, a 100W tube amp is 100W whether it is into a 4ohm, 8ohm, or 16ohm cab. Unlike solid state where the wattage is dependent on the impedance of the cab it is connected to. So a solid state amp that is 100W into 4 ohms, is ~50W at 8ohms, and ~25W at 16ohms. Also, it's mind boggling to still see people think this, although it is usually with stereo systems for playing music rather than guitar amps and cabs, but higher wattage rated speakers does not mean they are louder speakers. The wattage is how much they can handle, not how much they will put out. The sensitivity of the speaker, and the wattage the amp puts through the speaker, are what determines the volume.

    • @kirkbolas4985
      @kirkbolas4985 3 года назад +6

      It’s a neat trick when one realizes that a 3db difference between two speakers SPL’s results in either the resulting output being twice as loud or half as loud. For example, if we take two speakers, one with an SPL of 93db and another with an SPL of 96db...and all other things being equal, the 93db speaker will be half as loud as the 96db speaker or conversely, the 96db speaker will be twice as loud as the 93db speaker. This has practical applications.
      I used to have an old modded Vox AC30 head that was too loud for some clubs. I ran it through a Marshall Model 1960 4x12” cab. I installed two speakers in the cab that had an SPL 6db less than the Celestions (I think they were Jensens...not sure though...this was maybe 30 years ago) and rewired the cab to separate the pairs. Never ran more than one pair at a time.
      FOH dude bitches, “Turn down...you’re too loud.” I simply unplugged from the Celestions and plugged into the Jensens. The 6db SPL difference meant that the Jensens’ volume was 1/4th as loud as the Celestions’ volume output (remember each 3db SPL difference results in a difference of 2 or 1/2, so 6db is a factor of 4 or 1/4, relative to perspective. Each speaker was 16Ω and each pair was wired in parallel, so the amp got the 8Ω load it expected.

    • @svenkaahedgerg3425
      @svenkaahedgerg3425 3 года назад

      @@kirkbolas4985 Very good to know. Thanks.

    • @svenkaahedgerg3425
      @svenkaahedgerg3425 3 года назад +1

      Very useful. Thanks

    • @AndiPicker
      @AndiPicker 2 года назад

      @@kirkbolas4985 HI, just to clarify 3dB is equivalent to x2 power, which is 1.4 (square root of 2) x spl which is approximately 1.23 x loudness, so a 3dB less sensitive speaker is (give or take) like swapping your 100W Plexi for a 50W, a 10dB less sensitive speaker is like going to a 10W amp and will be about half as loud.

  • @calyodelphi124
    @calyodelphi124 3 года назад +7

    Theoretically, you could connect four 8 ohm cabs to the 2x8 ohm connections on the back of the Orange amplifier you used as your demo in this video. Pair them up in series-parallel, as 2x8 + 2x8 where two cabs are connected in series with one another in each pair, and then the two pairs are connected separately to the 8 ohm outputs on the amplifier. In series, each pair of amplifiers will have an impedance of 16 ohms, and then in parallel those 16-ohm loads will appear as 8 ohms again. :)
    Likewise, you can connect two 8-ohm cabinets to the 16-ohm output by connecting them in series as well.
    Of course, you may need to get a little bit creative with your wiring if the cabs don't already have connections to allow for series configuration. But the math still checks out at the least. If you're crafty enough with your cables, you could build your own series cable with three jacks to make it work.
    I have to do my own creative impedance matching at some point in the near-ish future because I bought a Sony A/V receiver that expects 8-ohm loads, and, unfortunately, the 5.1 set of Sony speakers I have (that were part of a very self-contained "home entertainment system" that is proprietary everything, as is Sony's M.O.) are all, paradoxically, 3-6-ohms. I have to come up with an extra 2-5 ohms of impedance to put in series with each speaker before I can connect them to this A/V receiver. The easiest and dirtiest way for me to do that is to just put 2x10 ohm resistors in parallel in series with each speaker! 5 ohms of resistance should give approximately just under 5 additional ohms of impedance! (The frequency-dependent reactance of the speakers means that adding 5 ohms of pure resistance does not equate to adding exactly 5 ohms of impedance to the whole circuit, but that's a whole lot of extra electronics physics.)

  • @SBahamondes
    @SBahamondes Год назад +3

    You literally answered the specific question I had that other videos didn't. Amazing thank you

  • @zbh-bo8yb
    @zbh-bo8yb 3 года назад

    Love your channel man. Keep up the gold work. I subscribe to a ton of guitar channels (and that's like 90% of what I watch on RUclips) but I think the best info I gets comes from you.

  • @Kevonehits
    @Kevonehits 3 года назад +5

    Had questions of this for so long. Just have a tube amp that can change between ohms and one cab but never understood why I should set it to this amount of ohms. Just did what the guy said when I bought the amp and cab at sam ashe but this clears it up now! Love the video!!

  • @MrBrooksV
    @MrBrooksV 3 года назад +2

    Before I watch this I know very little about cabs and amps and the in-depth realm of guitar gear - as a learning player this is a topic I’m rather overwhelmed with. Your videos help a lot and would love to see more!

  • @juliasanchez9055
    @juliasanchez9055 3 года назад

    Great info as always. Definitely a channel that never disappoints.

  • @HeavyMetal257
    @HeavyMetal257 3 года назад +2

    I actually didn't know the parallel circuit thing with connecting two cabs of a higher impedance. This is a very well explained video. Thank you Colin!

  • @pyroheart6801
    @pyroheart6801 3 года назад +1

    Awesome information Colin
    As I used to take Electronics classes in college, I'd say this is brand new to me. To be truly safe, I play unto one 16 ohm cab just so I don't kill my ears. Even with a 15 watt amp, it has multiple connections for this to apply for another 16 ohm cab, but I don't want to shell out the extra cash just to go deaf, not to mention drive my neighbors insane.

  • @zedcarr6128
    @zedcarr6128 3 года назад +2

    Great TATA as always Colin.
    I would add to this that there is a MYTH out there in guitar land that it's ok to unplug a cab from the amp when it's switched on, people will claim they have done it loads of times and have never had a problem. This has caused false information claiming that disconnecting a cab from a valve amp will do no harm which is 100% FALSE!
    The people that have got away with it have had VERY little to no signal getting to the power amp stage in their valve amp. If you are playing through your amp or if a guitar lead is plugged into it and you are getting the mains 50Hz hum coming through your speaker and you unplug the cab, most likely YOU WILL DESTROY THE OUTPUT STAGE OF THE VALVE AMPLIFIER!
    I speak from personal experience. My ex guitar tutor years ago unplugged one of the speakers from my Marshall 20/20 Rack Mounted Stereo Power Amp while I was playing and then plugged it back in.
    Some days or weeks later later I started to get a strange noise from that side of the amp, when I opened it up I noticed the valves on that side were ''red plating'', glowing red hot and there was sparks inside the output transformer that I could see flashing through the paper insulation wrapped around the core. Fortunately for me I'm an electronics engineer by trade so it just cost me the price of a pair of matched EL84's and an output transformer.
    Uncle Doug has some great videos on the technical aspects of valve amps, including this one on output transformers. ruclips.net/video/nNlPgirHP48/видео.html

  • @FretLevelMidnight
    @FretLevelMidnight 3 года назад +1

    Colin, always with the bangers, every video.

  • @alanredversangel
    @alanredversangel 3 года назад +5

    One of the best speaker impedance videos I've seen. Makes me wonder though why orange put two 8 ohm stickers on those jacks if they really represent 1x8 OR 2x16.

    • @75YBA
      @75YBA 3 года назад +1

      Confused me too.

  • @badroto2413
    @badroto2413 3 года назад

    Great video! Earned a like and subscription. Thanks!

  • @martinclayton7260
    @martinclayton7260 3 года назад

    I've been waiting for this video!

  • @TheFarout69
    @TheFarout69 3 года назад

    Was hoping to glean something but I knew this stuff already. But Colin explains it very well as always. My amp, Peavey Classic Stereo 50/50 has switchable impedance 4,8,16 for each channel. I'm running a single 15 for 8 ohm in one cab and 2x10 for 4 ohms on the other channel. Sounds great!- I am always careful to double check the switches and cabs every time I set it up. My transformer would be very hard to replace. - Don't let the magic smoke out of the amp!

  • @cristiangongola8138
    @cristiangongola8138 3 года назад

    Thanks, Colin! Much appreciated!

  • @Kapsouro
    @Kapsouro 3 года назад

    Thanks Colin. Informative.

  • @stevenaustin4591
    @stevenaustin4591 3 года назад +2

    I just learned something from this vid, cheers! btw, have you done any vids on mono and stereo cabs? maybe explain that one next?

  • @maltez
    @maltez 3 года назад +1

    For me physics 101 was something that happened to someone else. But you really explain it all very clearly. Thanks! I really want to understand how my guitar and amp work, and now I do (a bit more).

  • @mrsunshine2204
    @mrsunshine2204 3 года назад +1

    Great video. Spot on 👍

  • @Mognam
    @Mognam 3 года назад +1

    I'm just glad Barry made another appearance. He needs his own channel

  • @DinosaurDillon1776
    @DinosaurDillon1776 3 месяца назад

    I’m getting an ac30 and now I know thanks to you and your video what to look for when buying a speaker cab to pair with it

  • @simon_patterson
    @simon_patterson 3 года назад

    Great explanation. Thank you!

  • @TuffBaddi
    @TuffBaddi 3 года назад

    Dude, you are a legend!!! I was looking at getting an amp modeller (hx stomp) and a power amp (not sure which yet) and I was totally clueless about what cab I needed!

  • @bthjf12003
    @bthjf12003 Год назад

    Very well explain. Merci

  • @GarthNGuitars
    @GarthNGuitars 3 года назад

    I love it when Colin covers my TATAs

  • @Bleats_Sinodai
    @Bleats_Sinodai 17 дней назад

    Modern solid state amplifiers are more lenient on impedance, but it's always best to check the manual. Some old BJT output circuits require specific output impedances to not fry themselves. They can even be damaged from not having a speaker connected.

  • @triledink
    @triledink 3 года назад +2

    I also have a harley benton 2x12, since it has a switch in the back four different ohm numbers I just put it on Mono 8ohm and plug all my tube amps into the 8 ohm to 8ohm socket.
    I have been extremly anxious about connecting them wrong. I have heard you can blow or damage your transistor and screw up your amp and such. I watched countless videos on youtube and read some websites on the subject matter about it to make me understand it more. Probably the best video is from Philip McKnights video.
    I also have two cabinets and have always wondered if you can connect them both to the same amp. you can only do it with a few heads. as you said yourself in the video.

    • @aaronwebb1548
      @aaronwebb1548 3 года назад +2

      Phil and Colin are so great. "Know your gear" indeed.

  • @butterknight37
    @butterknight37 3 года назад

    Thank You for the video, I was always confused about this

  • @rjcummings8566
    @rjcummings8566 3 года назад

    Setting up my Carvin X100B. This helped TREMENDOUSLY. Thanks Dad.

  • @chrisdaviesguitar
    @chrisdaviesguitar 3 года назад

    Another great post.

  • @MG-vo7is
    @MG-vo7is Год назад

    Thank you!!!

  • @chrisg0001
    @chrisg0001 3 года назад

    Thank you!! Forums are full of people arguing which way you can do it

  • @KKMcK1
    @KKMcK1 3 года назад

    Thank you for referring me to this video. Both Freyette (Power Station 100) and Radial (Cab-Link) have boxes that can be put between the amp and cabinets which have input impedance selectors and output impedance selectors. My goal, as I stated in my other comment, is to run 3 2x12 16 ohm cabinets per head. Per this video above, it seems that the best way is to have custom amps built that have multiple output transformers (is this even doable). Or to take a post pre-amp out to separate clean power amps as splitters. To make this clearer, my goal is to have 3 stacks of 3 2x12s (9 cabinets in all) in a wet/dry/wet 3-way system running at 16 ohms. To make this even more difficult is the fact I want to use Hiwatt as the primary tones and textures amp. Hylight amps have more outputs than Hiwatt. Seriously, the more time I spend on this the more sense it makes to just have custom amps built to my specs. Can a guitar amp have multiple output transformers? If so, how many could a Hiwatt 100 handle? I know this sounds a bit crazy, but I am trying to do something that hasn't been done before (to my knowledge) by anyone. Thanks again!

  • @Hunterkirksey
    @Hunterkirksey Год назад

    Very helpful!

  • @owenmoody7125
    @owenmoody7125 2 года назад

    I have been schooled, and I feel good because of it. Cheers, Colin. 🤘

  • @tehalexy
    @tehalexy 3 года назад +1

    AMP / Speaker Brands hate this guy! Less dead Amps/Speakers -> less sold new gear :D

  • @carlcassidy185
    @carlcassidy185 3 года назад +4

    Thanks for these videos, Colin. I learn loads from them. Most things I already sorta knew about, but you give the detail i didn't know in an easy to follow way

  • @someguynamedrob581
    @someguynamedrob581 3 года назад +1

    I was actually hoping to find a proper video on this subject. Thankfully, Colin to the rescue. If there's a better way to kick off a Friday morning, it hasn't been invented yet.

  • @CarlosDropD
    @CarlosDropD 3 года назад +1

    Great video as always... just one thing I think it’s missing in here and is about safe mismatch and why.... basically amp Z out

  • @stevenmqcueen7576
    @stevenmqcueen7576 Год назад

    Best explanation of impedance and impedance matching that I have found.

  • @stephanematis
    @stephanematis 3 года назад +3

    Nice. OF course now someone is going to ask (and I'll play this part) : If you could pick an identical speaker in 4, 8 or 16 ohms, what would you expect as difference. What are the likely pros/cons ?
    Which would be "best" for guitar and perhaps, which would be best for bass.

  • @demantoid418
    @demantoid418 3 года назад

    Thanks Colin

  • @ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy
    @ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy 3 года назад +26

    I lost count of how many times I have told sound guys to NOT connect the soundboard into one of my amp's speaker outputs.
    Are soundguys really THAT stupid? Connecting the soundboard into speaker output is the fastest way to set the amplifier on fire.

    • @ScienceofLoud
      @ScienceofLoud  3 года назад +13

      Not exactly healthy for the consoles channels either

    • @alanredversangel
      @alanredversangel 3 года назад +1

      I had this debate with a sound guy once and assumed he didn't know what he was doing BUT he was using a behringer DI box and some of them will handle a tapped amp signal from between amp and speaker. Ive never tested it with my GDI100 but it probably works fine, and you can pad it twice.

    • @ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy
      @ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy 3 года назад +3

      One guy told me a signal out port is a signal out port, regardless of what it says it SHOULD go to.
      The lesson learned is be your own soundguy, so you know your soundguy knows what the F he is doing.

    • @alexosborne3642
      @alexosborne3642 3 года назад +2

      some of us are, yes lol

    • @tehalexy
      @tehalexy 3 года назад +1

      if their console has 8 ohm, too ... be evil, unplug your speaker, crank your amp and go BOOM :D
      guess console costs way more then amp :'D

  • @MikeCindyWhite
    @MikeCindyWhite 3 года назад

    Great video and explanation bro, thank you! I found out the hard way by buying a Katana MKII 50, it only has a 4 OHM speaker... I didn't do enough reading up on it before I bought it. The 100 and other Katana's models have 8 but only the 50 has the 4. I just assumed (should never do that, lol) it was an 8 OHM speaker and I could swap speakers if I wanted to upgrade to that Katana Artist series speaker... Nope I think I'm stuck with whats in it, thanks again for the video 🎸🎸👍

  • @skarfie123
    @skarfie123 3 года назад

    Very clear

  • @theolang3566
    @theolang3566 3 года назад

    a lot of info here is based on Voltage controlled power sources, like most push pull amps and a few single ended designs. some single ended designs are current sources, meaning that with a higher impedance, the power can be higher. my class A transistor amp is a current source and has about 3.2 times the power in to a 16 ohm compared to a 4 ohm load.
    due to this current control, its fully resistant to shorting out!

  • @saedt
    @saedt 3 года назад

    Thanks, Leon

  • @michaeltersigni9494
    @michaeltersigni9494 3 года назад +2

    This is the greatest moment of my life

  • @Infinighost
    @Infinighost 3 года назад +100

    CSGuitars: “This is Day 1 Electronics class stuff”
    Me: *laughs in American public school system”
    also me: what’s an “electronics”?

    • @jrockkai
      @jrockkai 3 года назад +4

      Maaan, I was sitting here like "Highschool Physics class didn't cover this at all" D: D: D:

    • @angelomustaine777
      @angelomustaine777 3 года назад

      imagine me on a public southamerican school

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions 3 года назад +2

      Welcome to America!

    • @jk-76
      @jk-76 3 года назад

      Maybe I was lucky but in the 80s I learned all about resistance in elementary school

    • @angelomustaine777
      @angelomustaine777 3 года назад +1

      @@jk-76 maybe you dot live in chile on the 80 lol

  • @feathersanvilsband
    @feathersanvilsband 3 года назад +2

    Following on your comments about the phase element of impedance matching, I've read that with "safe" mismatches (for instance, running an 8ohm head into a higher resistance cabinet at 16ohm) it can cause tonal changes. Which I think speaks to the frequencies of the signal being amplified, as you said. And if I'm not mistaken, often running an output transformer into a higher impedance than it's expecting can cause changes to the mid-range of your output, almost like a mid scoop or mid boost?

    • @ScienceofLoud
      @ScienceofLoud  3 года назад +3

      Mismatched impedance will cause tonal differences because essentially what you are doing is not driving the speaker properly. The speaker is performing inefficiently which will obviously change the sound.
      If a user wants more or less mids there are countless other ways to achieve it without crippling their speaker performance in the process.

    • @feathersanvilsband
      @feathersanvilsband 3 года назад

      @@ScienceofLoud Hahaha right, like EQ perhaps? I just found that to be an interesting fact.

    • @AT-wl9yq
      @AT-wl9yq 2 года назад

      As long as the impedance stays the same or goes higher, you can't hurt anything. Just pick whatever sounds best. But if you're just looking to eq the sound, then use an eq.

  • @magnusbruce4051
    @magnusbruce4051 3 года назад +2

    A couple of years back at a gig, I connected my 4 ohm bass head to an 8 ohm cab linked to another 8 ohm cabinet. So I figured, at worst, it would result in a 4 ohm impedance because 1/8 plus 1/8 is 1/4, right? I absolutely suck at electronics, but I do remember how resistances sum in parallel (or how capacitors sum in series). I got to play one note in the line check before my amp blew up and I still don't know exactly why that happened. Other bands using similar amps on the same cabinet setup had no trouble that day, so I was able to borrow an amp after much faffing about.
    Also, this happened on the first of several gigs we played in a ~two week period, so I had to borrow amps for every subsequent show that month. Not quite a tour, but the closest we've ever come to one so far. Fortunately, my amp was still under warranty, and while it wasn't possible to replace it with the same make and model, I did get another amp of a similar value at no cost to myself.

    • @1mdragas
      @1mdragas 3 года назад +1

      You were right. You just had a defective amp. Glad that it was still under warranty. The other bands now having problems is a big clue.

  • @francoispretorius7208
    @francoispretorius7208 3 года назад

    I'ma like the video so long cuz I know it's going to be good!

  • @MrDrTheJniac
    @MrDrTheJniac 3 года назад

    Two things: Why do tube amps need something to be connected to the output, and what specifically happens if you turn on a tube power stage without a load connected?
    Second, impedance matching is not quite the optimal arrangement. To get the most accurate performance out of a speaker (meaning that the speaker is most closely replicating the signal it is being sent), you want the impedance of the speaker to be ten times greater than the output impedance of the amplifier. For the curious, the ratio of the speaker impedance to the amp's output impedance is known as the damping factor, and there is a pretty good explanation on the blog of NwAvGuy. It is important to note that the law of diminishing returns kicks in hard with damping factor, such that going much beyond 10 _might_ produce a measurable improvement, but the improvement will almost certainly not be audible.

    • @silasfatchett7380
      @silasfatchett7380 3 года назад

      As long as you don't attempt to amplify a signal, probably nothing. If you do try to amplify a signal, high voltage spikes created in the OPT primary can cause arcing between the output tube(s) electrodes, arcing between the pins on the tube sockets, (flashover), and worst of all, break down the insulation on the primary winding causing shorted turns, rendering one of the most expensive components in the amp useless.

  • @enlat2003
    @enlat2003 2 года назад

    Great video it answered a lot of questions I had. However there is one area that still can't seem to find an answer to. You addressed connecting cabs to the amp and how the ohms need to be matched. How does that work when the speaker cab itself has an "Out" jack to connect another cab to it. Will that lower the ohms or how do I calculate the ohms to ensure I do not blow up my amp. Thank you for sharing all this great knowledge.

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 3 года назад +1

    Now the funny thing is when it gets wild. I have an 80's amp that has 2x speaker outputs which both read "4, 8 or 16 ohm". It's a solid state though, but still has an obvious, albeit mild effect on the sound. Interesting test, very convenient when the cab is something like marshall 1960 with two connections, one for 4, one for 6 and both used 8 each. Somewhat follows the descriptions found online. More or less bass/mid/treble and more or less perceived gain.
    The critical failures are the most interesting ones. I understand that on a valve amplifier it's not that likely to get a critical failure with smaller load than expected, but with a higher load there's a chance that in failure the transformer arcs through and burns the isolation resulting in nasty things. And from what I understand, it is kinda reverse with solid states but not guaranteed.
    I wonder if talking about the failures and effects would be too confusing for an average user to avoid an average viewer from making a big mistake after watching? Or if your experience covers that kind of stuff. Like the effects of less efficiency and different eq curve, or as simple as wiring or combining speakers/cabinets. The way it sounds written gives me kinda "not suitable content for the channel" vibe despite being interesting.
    The most obvious answer usually is "only do what the manufacturer tells you and how it's supposed to be used" but hey, every gigging musician has probably faced the scenario of "what even is my backline cabinet" without an amp with versatile speaker connections.
    The way this Orange had it labeled is probably the most confusing from user standpoint "connect two 16 ohm cabinets to these two 8 ohm outputs". It makes sense when explained how it works and if using a single output, but the fact of there being two makes it confusing.
    Great and quick episode.

  • @Yet_another_placeholder
    @Yet_another_placeholder 3 года назад +1

    Thank you so much for answering this question. Although in this case, for me it was more a "Too Late To Ask"

  • @juanvaldez4043
    @juanvaldez4043 3 года назад +2

    Coolest electronics teacher ever!

  • @DLC-music
    @DLC-music 3 года назад

    Dammit! I bet my girl you were going to say hi Colin here! Always awesome videos!🤙

  • @rhyskenny6429
    @rhyskenny6429 3 года назад +6

    Got myself a micro terror for Christmas and made myself a cabinet out of an old suitcase! Two 4ohm speakers in series! Sounds killer! :)

    • @ratonlucho
      @ratonlucho 2 года назад +1

      Dud, you just litteraly solved my 1 month, web surfing, existencial crisis. I want to buy a Micro DArk!!! Thank you very much sir.

  • @timleghorn157
    @timleghorn157 3 года назад

    Thanks mate, enlightenment at last! Ohhhm. But what I’d like to k ow is whether if you connect two cabinets, one wired in series and one in parallel, and the nominal resistance of each is say 16 ohm, whether the amp (say the orange used i this demo) will see what it needs to see?

  • @GaryMcNeill
    @GaryMcNeill 3 года назад +1

    Colin, you are smart. I thought you should know this.

  • @mcdon2401
    @mcdon2401 3 года назад

    Instructions and knowledge... who knew we needed such things 🤔

  • @mr.nobody68
    @mr.nobody68 3 года назад

    I have a Tremonti amp. I want to hook up 1x15 and 2x12 cabs
    Thanks to Colin, I now know it can be done if both are 16ohm

  • @banditman142536
    @banditman142536 11 месяцев назад

    Fantastic video. I knew about matching but not how. Now I do. Thanks to you. I am not a musician. I do fiddle about with amps speakers and microphones. So Sir take it from an old man. You are in my opinion The Jedi leader of guitar stuff. Live long and prosper.

  • @jimwake1123
    @jimwake1123 3 года назад

    This was really interesting! Particularly happy that the rocker 15 terror is actually the amp I'm running so good to know I have been using it the right way after all.
    I do have a follow up question though, I use a load box (2 notes torpedo) between my cab and head so I can record direct through an IR for demos. I get nervous every time I power my amp up into the load box even though I know it should be fine, mainly because I dont understand quite how the relationship changes when using a load box instead of a cab, particularly given that it is still possible to use a cab with it and it also can attenuate the signal.
    Is this just some kind of wizard magic or is there a technical reason that this is able to do all these wonderful things?

  • @ZeBubba
    @ZeBubba 3 года назад

    I have a 16-ohm Orange PPC212 cab and a Suhr Badger head that only has 4 and 8 ohm outs. I've used the 8 into 16 for years with very good results. It's a mismatch but it works.

  • @famitory
    @famitory 3 года назад +1

    do they make cables that split out the ground and hot of a cable so you can truly wire cabinets in series?

  • @jasonstys4865
    @jasonstys4865 2 года назад +1

    Would you consider offering an explanation of LFOs? How do they work, particularly in the context of different types of modulation?

  • @odedginat
    @odedginat 3 года назад

    Petition for Colin to teach us physics!! I used to fall asleep in class and you make it way more interesting

  • @Johnnydirewolf
    @Johnnydirewolf 3 года назад

    Hey Col! I've a Peavey 6505 connected to an Orange PPC212 (16ohm) and I'm considering acquiring another cab for live setups. Having the 6505 a switch at the back for the impedance, when connecting both speakers (16ohm) the switch should then be at 8ohm correct?
    Thank you for all the content, you're the man!

  • @MrDussek
    @MrDussek 3 года назад

    i’m a bedroom player who uses a marshall 1x12 tube amp so this stuff doesn’t matter to me all too much yet but i had to watch anyway to show my support 🤘🏽💯

  • @robertmellang6998
    @robertmellang6998 11 месяцев назад

    Is there any such thing as an Extension cab for a Marshall DSL 5C?

  • @pizzaROX
    @pizzaROX 2 года назад

    Thank you so much for this video !
    If I have a 100 watt amp and hooked up 2 cabs to it. Would each cab only be getting 50 watts each ?

  • @geevanchi8105
    @geevanchi8105 2 года назад

    I had to rewire my twin cab in series to suit my orange Brent Hinds Terror as I have Jenson 8ohm speakers. I'm not sure if this sacrifices the sound. It certainly doesn't to my ear. Great vid!

  • @DeckardRJ
    @DeckardRJ 3 года назад +1

    Colin , would you do a video showing the difference of the harmonic content of a tube amp distortion versus a pedal distortion? You could show it with white noise or sine wave. I think it would be interesting. What do you think? 🙂

  • @pakiw2
    @pakiw2 3 года назад +5

    One missing fact, speakers are never 4, 8 or 16. Different speker, shows different resistance. For example most 8 ohm speakers are from 6 to 7.5 ohms. 16 ohm speakers are around 12-14. So, there's inconsistence all over the place.

    • @svenkaahedgerg3425
      @svenkaahedgerg3425 3 года назад

      Really? Why must all these things have to be so hard? 🤬

    • @pakiw2
      @pakiw2 3 года назад +1

      @@svenkaahedgerg3425 don't panic. Just plug 8 to 8, 4 to 4 and 16 to 16.))

    • @svenkaahedgerg3425
      @svenkaahedgerg3425 3 года назад

      @@pakiw2 You are correct of course. I was just wondering if this has an effect like balancing the bias to get the best effect and longevity of the amplifier and valves.

    • @teddy3k3
      @teddy3k3 2 года назад

      Yeah. When I was building my speaker cabs, I used a multimeter to test the resistance (impedance) of the speakers and it was always around 6-7.5 range of the 8 ohms.

    • @Richard25000
      @Richard25000 Год назад

      Measuring resistance will not show you the actual impedance.
      The impudence is a combination of the resistance, the inductance and capacitance of the speaker.
      During a DC voltage only resistance matters once the current is settled to a continuous level.
      During an AC voltage the current will be changing and therefore the effects of the inductance and capacitance will be reacting to the frequency of the AC signal.

  • @svenkaahedgerg3425
    @svenkaahedgerg3425 3 года назад +1

    This was very useful. I would like to know more. If you made a course in valve amplifiers I would sign up right away.

    • @AT-wl9yq
      @AT-wl9yq 2 года назад +1

      There's 2 main things you need to know. For tube amps in general, learn what output transformers and auto transformers are, and how they work. Second, you need to understand how distortion works in relation to guitar amps. In general, you never want a power amp to strain or clip, doesn't matter if its tube or solid state. Guitar amps are different. Distortion of a tube guitar amp works by overdriving the tubes beyond what they can handle to make a clean sound. The reason that tubes sound better than solid state, is due to how a tube distorts. When a tube distorts, it does do in even order harmonics. This is pleasing to the ear, and why everyone likes tube amps. A solid state amp sound terrible when it distorts because it puts out odd order harmonics when pushed too hard. This is why you typically see solid state guitar amps that put out a lot more power than tubes. Its not that a tube amp is more powerful, its just you don't want a solid state amp to distort. This is why solid state and modeling amps have been so long in coming. Its very difficult to emulate how a tube amp distorts. You just can't overdrive transistors and have them sound good.

  • @dzang96
    @dzang96 Год назад

    Barry returns!!!❤❤❤

  • @toxictime9604
    @toxictime9604 8 месяцев назад

    Well aware that you're on pause for a while I have a current question now: using an ampete ampswitch, I find myself from time to time combining a 100W Vintage amp (Roost SR22) to a 1x12 G12 65W Cabinet. Between amp and cab there is a power attenuater inserted to match the volume of the other, more modern amps. Is my speaker in grave danger to do so, or does it indeed see less power from the attenuater? - - - - - - - - Hello CSG community! 👋 Also happy if anyone else here could help.

  • @GarretFratzke
    @GarretFratzke 2 года назад

    Hey Colin,
    I know this video was made a while back, but I’m gonna shoot a question at you anyway. So I have a combo amp that handles an 8 ohm speaker. It also has a cab extension output for an 8 ohm cab, but when you use that, it’s designed to mute the speaker in the combo itself. I was curious if there was a way to change the wiring of the output jack, so that if i swapped the two 8 ohm speakers (one in the combo, and the other in the ext. cab) for 16 ohm speakers, I could have both speakers functional? Thanks a lot!

  • @Rockerrobin
    @Rockerrobin 3 года назад

    I had the prs mt15 for a while great amp but it was a 16ohm amp and there are very few 16ohm 2x12 on the market 1 had to run an 8ohm through one of the mono jacks. Sold it for far to little and got a drum set as I have a boss katana head and joyo zombie which were good enough for my skill level.

  • @johncrace911
    @johncrace911 3 года назад

    How come back in the day, even still there is no instructions for a Fender extension Speaker. We plugged everything into extension speaker jacks. Always worked. Are Fender Amps different ?

  • @MrMistersilly
    @MrMistersilly 3 года назад

    What does it mean when on the back of a cab it has options for mono or stereo

  • @jonasjordan4327
    @jonasjordan4327 3 года назад

    My Orange cab has two jacks in the back. Are these also wired parallel to connect a second cab?

  • @billgates5458
    @billgates5458 Год назад

    Colin, I have two combo amps. One being a JCM 900 Dural Reverb 4102 and the other being a Peavy Valve King 212 100 watt. They both use an 8-ohm output for the combo amp speakers. They both have a switch on the back for 16/8/4 Ohm connection. I have a PT410 Laney 8 Ohm guitar cabinet to connect to either amp. My question is should I set the Ohm to 4 since both amps are already 8 Ohm outputs, or should I set the Ohm setting to 8 to match the amp with the cabinet? From what I am understanding you are saying it should be half the ohm output. When I hook the external Laney cabinet to either amp, I always set the Ohn to 4 just to be safe. I do not want to ruin my amps in any way. But if I could change the setting to 8 ohms and get a better output from the external cabinet, I would do that. I just want to do what is safe and the best for my equipment. I am the first and only owner of these pieces of equipment and take ultimate care for my things. I would appreciate any input you have. I enjoyed your video and have not only liked but subscribed to your channel. Thank you in advance for any input you can give me. My apologies if I did not pick up on the answer you may have already provided and didn't comprehend.

  • @wickedgit
    @wickedgit 3 года назад

    Hi Colin! Im looking for a amp to my 4ohms Kustom jr cab. It came with 4 ohms amp so that means i cant relly use tube amps cause mist of them want 8 ohms impedance...most of the once i have seen on for axample at thomann, those smaller tube amps.
    Btw do you have any tips of good affordable amps for metal...that also can be used live(hopefully in the near future when live performance comes back)?
    Im looking at a Marshall MG HGFX 100 head, a orange crush 120....

  • @RyanSmith-vb3ug
    @RyanSmith-vb3ug 10 дней назад

    Hi Colin! Question regarding hooking up additional speakers. Assuming we are connecting loads with appropriate impedance values, what would be the impact on the output/tone/volume of the amp when hooking up a single cab like at 4:05 versus hooking up two cabs at 6:05 ? Since the amp still has the same amount of watts, are we effectively splitting the amp's power in half?

  • @teddy3k3
    @teddy3k3 2 года назад

    Holy cow dude. You just saved my orange rocker terror 15. I had it connected to 2 8 ohms only once and I played it at low volumes.

  • @alancapati9056
    @alancapati9056 2 года назад

    Please help im worried that if i connect my zoom multieffects guitar pedal to jbl partybox 310 it will damage the speaker like what it did to my computer speaker when i used the wah pedal mode.

  • @botflyguy7814
    @botflyguy7814 Год назад

    Man I wish this series existed 14 years ago when I first started playing guitar and all online gear info was found exclusively on forums populated by AC/DC dads who will call you a jack ass for asking anything then probably give you bad advice

  • @bignight23
    @bignight23 3 года назад

    For active pickups when can you tell when it's time to change the battery?