EDIT: There is one spoiler from 8:03 to 8:23 Did Molly Weasley Use ANCIENT Magic on Bellatrix: ruclips.net/video/_SMHTpWTGMI/видео.html History of Ancient Magic: ruclips.net/video/SGvjtrayuAI/видео.html History of Avada Kedavra: ruclips.net/video/5CPUS72CaVA/видео.html History of the Gaunt Family: ruclips.net/video/13wUw-KT4ew/видео.html
@harrypottertheory can I add something ✋ .. didn't Rowling say something along the lines "just leave up to your own imagination?" that's where the magic happens And I like all the series and side quest of each author wanting to put their own twist on it.. I just got to the point, I'll just watch mode,because too many things are left unturned as an OG fan of the series.
Hogwarts Legacy could be canon. Because it explain about ancient magic. The magic that lily used to manipulate voldy magic and make his avada kedavra spell to split his soul to harry. And also about harry can control stuff in the muggle world. When he inflate that annoying lady. That was indeed ancient magic there. Accidentally activated because harry was angry. Remember, guys lily's power back then WAS NOT "LOVE MAGIC". IT WAS ANCIENT MAGIC. Ancient magic lured by the emotions. It doesnt make any sense if you think the plot of "love magic" is logic. Lol what era is thjs today? 1500s? XD Love is just one of emotion/feeling. It should not have any power except for the delusional feeling to that person. Ancient magic is far more logic answer.
Hey I think you are misinterpreting something I don't think players are able to obtain the elder wand in the third trial I think that the third trial is based on the deathly hallows so we gain a replica of that particular object in that particular trial I think it is more of imagination came to life through ancient magic than them being the deathly hallows themselves as It was the only trial that happened in a black and white kinda world I believe it is a imaginative construction of reality
There are a few flaws, most of them relating to a particular lunar themed questline, but I loved every second of my first playthough. It's truly an amazing world to explore.
But technically you don't get the elder wand, your doing an Ancient magic trial in the Headmistress's subconscious of sorts. So it's not like you're wielding it in the real world
@@elijapaige703 No, they never did. But it includes all of the Peverell brothers Deathly Hallows in that sequence, so it's like 99% surely the Elder wand
@@3dge7 But in Trial 3 you''re not really in the real world, I think that was the point of the drastically different art style that only existed in that trial.
On the point of the Elder Wand "blunder," the character is "living out" a story written by Niamh Fitzgerald, where the character of the story obtains the three relics. Therefore, the player never actually obtains the wand, but simply a representation of the wand.
It seems that the mission that involves the Deathly Hallows was simply a pensive challenge that was like a "dream" if that makes sense. So these aren't the real Deathly Hallows of legend, but the old headmaster's interpretation of them for the player to interact with for their challenge. Also I do agree that this game should be cannon. It truly is more "Harry Potter" than Fantastic Beasts and Curse Child in my opinion.
Well you kinda view it in the form of a story book. You don't actually weird them as much as you wield what they're said to be. My only issue with this game being canon though is the fact you Sabastian has two fates. It literally changes what happens to him depending on what you do. Which would then lead to the question of which one is canon.
@@CristiNeagu I mean if we're talking canon kinda. If they ever build on what happened in other stories it may change what is and isn't canon. The point of the main canon is it's supposed to be consistent. I know that's pretty hard to do for older franchises, but it is the intent.
@@Skylancer727 If any sequel happens, some paths will considered as canon. That is true for a lot of games. I believe that the canon ending is the protagonist seals all the magic and became a new keeper. Albus Dumbledore might be the next keeper. Canon ending for Sebastian would be that he was sent to Azkaban, and his sister dies soon after since there is no 'Sallow' in the original canon iirc.
We all universally reject Cursed Child and throw it out with both hands 😂 Hogwarts Legacy did have Avalanche's team communicating with Rowling's lore team to ensure that it stayed in line with her canon and lore. I will note that on the matter of the Deathly Hallows, that trial was more of a vision rather than the player character actually acquiring them.
@@augusto____ Then canon be damned. Just gonna end up with a Star Wars EU situation of personal canons and people who are franchise fans rejecting the mainline cabon in favor of the non-canon to add to their own consideration of canon
Yeah, that's my take from Fitzgerald's trial too. Avision quest or a first-person explanation of the Deathly Hallows, or perhaps a loose retelling of the tale of the Three Brothers in interactive format. Avalanche did a great job. Hope they get. A sequel or even spin-offs and can do a lot of great things with that century of the Wizaring World
@@Pastafari4 i like the Wizarding World canon, the current Star Wars canon is disney's but then some people can have their canon perception, one thing i always see as very important to establish canonicity is the creator, the things he create, when it's involved in a significant enough way or things he approve with more than an average like, to me it's their story and it's not about what someone likes and i can like and dislike things whether it's from their stories or not
Lets be honest, JK would 100% give her full endorsement of this game as canon if it wasnt for the fact twitter starts screaming bloody murder every time she opens her mouth. The sheer level of detail put into upkeeping every detail mentioned in the books is astonishing, its definitely canon
Yeah, but Hogwarts Legacy also has some stuff that would never make sense in a novel. Imagine Voldemort had turned into a gooey dragon at the end for no reason whatsoever, other than the story needing a cool looking final boss level.
@@Drace90 I don’t know. We see Voldemort posses people, even living on the back of someone’s head, and making a baby-like body for himself from snake venom and spells of his own design. So is it really so different to see a Goblin fuse with Ancient Magic to become a sort of liquid Dragon? Especially given we find out about his fascination with Dragons from an early age earlier in the story, on the Rowland Oaks quest, similarly to Voldemort and Snakes. With all that said, I was a bit disappointed by the final fight. I was hoping both Ranrock and I would be infused by the Ancient Magic and have a super powered battle, using more regular spells that were now magnified, then you have a choice to return the magic or not, which changes the game’s ending. But anyway, I still love the game’s story, and personally didn’t have an issue with Ranrock becoming a Dragon at the end, it felt like the completion of his arc… he just picked the wrong Wizard to mess with 🧙♀️😅
Cursed play was an insult to fans and to Rowling's own work. I can't believe she allowed it. I don't care what the twitter nutters have issues with her about, people should be mad about Cursed Play. LOL Bella L
One counterpoint: players are not able to obtain THE Elder Wand, only a wand using Elder Wood; The Elder Wand had a Thestral Hair Core, whereas players in H.L. can only obtain wands with the typical Olivander cores: Unicorn Hair, Dragon Heartstring and Phoenix Feather. While Elder Wood wands were very rare, owing in-part to the dark reputation of The Elder Wand no doubt, it is stated on the official website that other Elder Wood wands are made, and that those who were chosen by wands of Elder would often find connection with those chosen by Rowan Wood wands. While The Elder Wand is featured in the game, it is only as part of a quest that saw the player go inside an enchantment, living out an interactive test based on The Tale of the Three Brothers, and not, in fact, real events, or memory of events that happened in-game.
@Vetarlit Torf Tbh the core types being limited don't make sense to the timeline, Garrick wasn't born yet so the wand types were way more diverse in this era than when he was alive. Garrick was the one who limited his creations to Unicorn, Dragon and Phoenix.
@@vetarlittorf1807 yes! I’d also love slight buffs to some areas Vs others depending on your wand. For example, my wand from the quiz was a Rowan Wood wand, which is said to cast the strongest shield charms, so I’d have loved it if my Protago in-game was buffed slightly, while other wands are said to chose those with an aptitude for Magical Beasts, for example, so maybe it could be a bit easier to rescue beasts if you have one of those wands? Just little things like that to make the different wand options feel more meaningful.
@@sanguinetales I'm aware. But they probably did it for technical reasons than lore reasons. Either way, I'd love to see cores that are less common in the British wizarding community like a thunderbird feather or a basilisk horn. Heck, I'd even love to have them introduce new cores like say, a mermaid vocal cord. I imagine that could have a strong affinity with water and sound-based magic.
The Elder Wand in the game isn't even real. It's part of a magical trial based on the Three Brothers story wherein you acquire *all* of the Deathly Hallows.
The FAQ on the game official website stated that the dev collaborated closely with JK's team to make sure the world remains consistance. I think at the very least JK would have to green lit the project for the game to be made in the first place. She never sold the IP outright, she licensed it.
The Doctor Who series is a great example of canon being created by multiple writers and directors, starting from 1963. Same for the Marvel universe. Not all the comics and stories are made by Stan Lee, but definitely endorsed by him.
I think that while JK Rowling didn't write the story, she probably was given at least an outline and was able to approve or disapprove if certain story elements break canon or the rules of the universe. In that way, it could be considered canon if the majority of consumers agree. Personally, it feels so much like a Harry Potter book or movie that I'm going to consider it canon. It helps to have Weasleys, Phineas Black, Peeves, etc as characters.
True. I love the detail that the developers checked the timeline as to who was the Headmaster at the time. It's also nice to have a Weasley as the Deputy Headmistress. She kind of stood in for Minerva McGonagall for me quite a bit, but I must say that I like Phineas Black as a Headmaster more than Dumbledore.
Hogwarts legacy is the closest thing you will get to immersion in the Potter universe. There were times playing the game that I felt as if I was in a movie prequel series for the franchise. My brain has already made it canon as far as I'm concerned. If there's anyone on the fence still about the game, buy it, you won't regret it. I play a lot of video games in my spare time and I honestly think it should be a strong contender for game of the year.
Amen to that! Don't listen to Twitter, just play the game, or watch a friend of yours play it to judge for yourself. I mean, I believe Ragnok's Rebellion was mentioned as a History of Magic lesson by Hermione for Ron and Harry to write the essay for it.
Loved the script and overall structure of this video. Nothing felt superfluous, and you did a great job discussing everything. Thank you, thoroughly enjoyed it. And I’m really happy to see your channel doing well in the wake of Hogwarts Legacy’s release
I don’t consider canon to be “created or endorsed by the original author”. If it’s clearly stated by the owner of that IP that it is part of the established universe, does not contradict prior lore and in general adds to the appeal of the story, then I consider it canon
Ok, since a lot of people are commenting about this, I’ll attempt to make an explanation that is a bit more comprehensive. Spoiler alert! In the game, at one point, you’re given the task to go to the headmaster office to initiate your next trial. But unlike the previous ones, this one in particulars requires you to approach the book on the pedestal which is the iconic tale of the three brothers, The Deathly Hallows. The transition where your character gets pulled into the book is undoubtedly supposed to be a nod to Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets. In that the same thing happens to Harry when reading and communicating with Tom Riddles diary. Reminder that in both cases at that point, both Harry and your character are seeking knowledge. Your character to gain knowledge from the pensieve memory and Harry to gain knowledge of Aragogs existence. The one crontradiction in that section is how your character seemingly ends up at the map chamber rather then back in the headmasters office. Harry was simply shot back out into the chair he was previously sitting in. I would also like to point out the art style during that section resembles the art style of the movie in The Deathly Hallows part 1 during the scene where Hermione is explaining the story. So in a way, that trial is following a double canon. Hopefully this helps settle the confusion as in the video, they don’t go into detail about that part and I can see why. As It can be a very crontroversial subject.
My biggest complaint with Hogwarts Legacy and non canonical content is the laxidasical response to using unforgivable curses. I understand the game developer wanted the curses to be included in the game and to be fun to use, but when you use them in front of people, they're just like oh dang, don't let me see that again. So there's literally no consequence for you literally ending people's lives with a avada kadavra on full grown human adult wizards.
yeah thats true but they cannot simply send you to azkaban in the game because of the main storyline. that would be it. the end after you use unforgivable curses againts somebody. in the books harry use few times those curses (execpt avada kedavra) and doesnt get send to azkaban because no body around him didnt care at the time. same thing at the game. the characters didnt care at the time (i like to think so). at the end the player make the choice to use them or not. but i must admit those curses are awesome in the game.
@@vilu9183 the only non deatheater he used one on was one or two goblins in the bank and that was while obtaining the cup. also there is those that gothen away that used it way more than he did to because they worked with the ministry afther voldermots fall. so harry breaking the law a couple of times even when not fighting aigenst deatheaters its understandable that he would not be prosecuted at the time. there might have been a inquary at some point aigenst him about the use where he needed to explain why it was done but that was probably it. afther all how could they send the person that ended voldermorts tyrany to a life time in azkaban but letting a deatheater like lucius malfoy go free afther revealing information about the rest of the deatheaters. they would also have needed to arrest a lot of the students to because the carrols promoted the use of the torture curse used amoung the students.
I actually love how the creators said it wasn't canon, but there are many vids on youtube that talk about events of Hogwarts Legacy and combine it with the movies and see it as canon. I think 80% of the fans would love to see HL being canon (me included). And like someone else said if cursed child is canon, then this should be too. The game got great lore, is amazing storyline,... In my opinion it should be treated as canon.
“Yes. While Hogwarts Legacy is not a direct adaptation of the books and films, game is anchored in Wizarding World lore. Avalanche has created a unique gaming experience that is inspired by the magical universe created by J.K. Rowling, in which players will find new and unexpected locations, characters, and story elements.” It is canon.
I was hoping that at the end of the Hogwarts legacy story we would be shown a hundred years or so forward in time. Perhaps professors teaching magical history to students around the time Harry lived, telling about this remarkable ancient magic story connected to Isadora, us Ranrok and the goblin war. Then it truly would have felt like cannon :)
@@s.b200 that's awesome thought. But I don't think we would get a time jump until our 7th year when Dumbledore is starting his 1st year in 1892. If we get a time jump at all.
Obviously he’s an ancestor but why do you say his Uncle? Also I’m of a mind with Robert here. Voldemort was born in the early 1900s and this game is in late 1800s.
I'll consider it canon, and in the faqs page of the official website, they did say that while J.K. Rowling wasn't involved in the development of the game, they were in close consultation with her team. So it's just kinda like the the later movies where J.K. Rowling wasn't closely monitoring the production of the movies.
This game is a love letter to Harry Potter fans. I grew up with the series, being 11 when I watched the first movie and read the first books. I have wanted to go to Hogwarts since then, and now I finally can!
My headcanon on how Hogwarts Legacy fits in HP canon: The exact history and details about the identity and choices made by the MC were lost or corrupted over time. No one knows for sure what their house, name, gender, or exact actions were, except for things that are vastly agreed upon, like their ability to weild Ancient Magic, etc. Everything else is a rumour or uncertain reports. No one knows for sure if they actually learned or used Unforgivable Curses. TL;DR: All the choices we can make in the game are historical rumours and the only things considered as facts are the things we can't change in the game.
I think it's canon for several reasons. We have several ancestral characters that we encounter there. Both main and secondary characters. There would be the Weasleys Matilda and Garreth, then Ominis Gaunt, Director Black, then a female character that we meet there in a side quest that becomes very well known later on. Then the Rookwoods Charles and Victor, who are ancestors of Augustus Rookwood, a Death Eater of Voldemort, and also someone who doesn't pay much attention but who actually goes on to become the Minister of Magic in Fantastic Beasts. He's one of the students at Hogwarts. He's also the only one of the students you see at Hogwarts as an NPC that has a name and he's also dressed differently than the other
In Hogwarts Legacy, the nice girl that previously was in Uagadou said that wandless magic is just as good as wand-magic. But Rowling said, that best magic is performed with an object to channel the wizards power (a wand, obviously) That would be a major non-canon-thing, I think
That's precisely two different tiers of magic you are describing though. Someone could use simple charms to build a house. That could be done with our without a wand. The "Best magic" is like those that protect Hogwarts. Someone couldn't just build a Sistine Chaple by themselves. Natsai Onai's opinion doesn't say it's better or the best.
To be honest she is a 15 to 16 years old student saying that as an fact. I would consider that there are people in the wizarding world that dont agree.
The only thing which interests me if we imagine HL being canon - what is the future of ancient magic? If the main hero dies of old age, what happens with the whole ability line? Moreover, how does ancient magic generally goes into the whole canoj structure?
I see hogwarts legacy as cannon myself. That mission where you go into the story world is just that, a story world where the creator could do anything. I've loved playing Legacy, and it has been much better than other video games I've played in the past where they copy the books. This felt new, while staying true to the books, in my opinion.
When it comes the canon of the Harry Potter universe, it comes to one simple aspect; if it is labeled officially as 'Wizarding World'. Everything under that label is now official canon, even if some stories are better than others. The Wizarding World has swiftly grown far past JKR and her writing, and is now a franchise much more in the line of Star Wars. Star Wars was created by George Lucas, and while he penned the scripts to the first six films and directed multiple, he also, even before he sold the rights, had other creators adding to the world and lore of the universe he had created. Hogwarts Legacy falls perfectly into the canon (even if I'm sure there is a true canonical ending, ignoring the other possible choices that players might select while playing, in the way of many games) There will very likely be in the near future a host of other games, films, tv shows and even books made by other creators that all fall within the Wizarding World, and likely nearly all of that will be considered certified canon.
@@johnschwalb Only once, and that was a company buyout. Even then, all the best bits of the extended canon, like Admiral Thrawn, were brought back. Even so, for now, Wizarding World is still the extended canon universe of Harry Potter.
It was awesome...and a great story. So why not! Hell it even made me like the Fantastic Beasts series more....because I got to interact with some of the magical beasts myself. I've decided I really really need a Niffler pet. :)
there are multiple canons. The films and books are clearly two different, but closely related canons. Hogwarts legacy is probably a third canon in a similar way
Excellent and I agree. 1 the 7 books 2 The 8 movies 3 Hogwart's Legacy (Fantastic beast etc & Cursed Child are fever dreams of someone high as a kite) or and Alt Universe.
i'd treat Hogwarts Legacy as canon. the game does a brilliant job to respecting the world lore and even expanding it. i really felt like i was in the wizarding world while playing the rpg. i agree with your list for the most part, but i'd give Legacy an exception just for the incredible job they did making an open world wizarding rpg.
I'd say Hogwarts legacy is the way you can not only engage with the franchise, you can live through it more with huge immersion and have more of a personal feel and experience with it. So to say - make it more realistic and not just a fiction with having the ability to have leeway, interactions and most importantly, have your own story in it.
I think it is true canon and it should be! 😁 Also, about the elder wand thing, you are basically in a memory of some sort, so you don't possess the real wand at that point of time
The story could definitely be canon, and I agree with your distinction of canon. Just ignore the character you're playing and replace it with a specific designed character and it could all fit in and make sense. You meet characters and interact with things throughout the universe we have seen before all throughout the entirety game. Of course there's a few things that wouldn't make sense, like the homages to the books and movies throughout the game(not gonna specify for spoilers), but definitely feels like it could be part of the actual lore.
Hogwarts legacy is Canon in every way! Its has same history of HP, same places, many folklore that could definitely fit in HP and I believe Hogwarts Legacy has more details than the books and movies about the Wizarding world of HP.
Let me say first, HPT, that I am pleased I subscribe to your channel - your detailed and well-thought-out presentations are always a pleasure to review! I am truly impressed by your definition of canonicity! Your definition could be easily applied to any other franchise - Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTR, Narnia, to name a few. The Potter franchise is lucky to have its creator still living; Narnia and Middle-Earth do not enjoy that... The only minor quibble I have with the presentation is substituting "Warner Brothers" with "Warner Bros" - it's a little jarring, but doesn't detract from the rest of the presentation (and yes, I recognize it's the speech AI you're using). I look forward to not only your next video installment, but also to hopefully joining you and others in their journeys in the Wizarding World!
Movies were endorsed by JK but they are not considered canon. Also, fantastic beasts is based off of JK writings just like Cursed Child. That doesn’t make either canon. JK even said that unless she oversees every aspect of a story and it doesn’t contradict established history and more then it can’t be considered canon.
Video idea for you to do: What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
Great video, though I do have one question. Is the main character a descendant or related to isidora morganarch or the other keepers? i think it's interesting lore to delve into
My inner Child was so happy with this game made me cry a view times when i played it and finnaly saw hogwards and my house huffelpuf to be in the common room and in the kitchen and to work with beast and flying and so much more Btw thank you for all the awsome videos you make for us love youre work much love ❤️
You can't get THE Elder wand. You can get an Elder wand made of the wood with the typical three cores. I know, without spoiling much, about the wand you are talking about and that it is a memory, and if you recall...memories can be tampered with. If the memory is legitimate it would be during the wand's 'dark ages'.
The tale of the three brothers are interpreted by the Headmistress Fitzgerald as three brothers who found powerful artifacts and used it against the army of Death, which might means powerful adversaries in their time. They were not given directly by Death. It was Death that compelled them to find it. Its the same core of fighting against Death, but this one is more scenematic. They are not real, we just play through a storybook written by the former headmistress.
As far as I’m concerned. The fans never have any power over what is or is not canon. As canon is, legally, completely in the hands of the owners of the IP. In that regard Cursed Child is more canon than Legacy even if I think Legacy does more for the overall universe of Harry Potter. I still stand by the game as canon, even if weaker than other canon, due to the lack of any real contradictory statements on the part of the creators
I am 100% sure JK Rowling had something to do with the plot of HL. She may not have been the main writer, but something tells me she read the entire plot for her approval before release. JK Rowling is very careful and meticulous with her wizarding world. She's not just gonna hand it over to some random people and let them call the shots. EDIT and SPOILERS: Also, you don't get the elder wand. You're just in a subconcious memory where you get to use it (where they did not even call it "elder wand"). You won't be able to keep it.
They did call it the Elder Wand. They mentioned each Hallow by name. The entire story was about the Deathly Hallows. You, in fact, replayed a story about cheating Death. Each Hallow had it's own act. While you only experienced a memory of the Hallows, it doesn't make it any more or less relevant.
I think the major problem for canonicity is the “main character” issue. Some event do change based on your sorting, some choice you make, and the ending too. Until an official version of what happened is penned down, it would be hard to 100% canonize the events of the game…even if there is actually no problem that you described, as that doesn’t ‘really’ happen.
Going by that logic, literally NO games with choices have cannon at all. For example: The entire Elder Scrolls series has NO cannon according to that logic, which is flat out wrong.
@@Camazotz-kz9wr Games do get things eventually confirmed/denied. And again, there are things that should be definitely confirmed/denied before considering the canonicity of Hogwarts Legacy, without making spoilers.
In my opinion HL can for the most part be considered cannon, as it adds and adheres to established cannon. With some exception that I think are mainly gameplay decisions, like the acrumantulas existing in the forbidden forest, when they where introduces by Hagrid much later. I don't think your point about (SPOILER) the elderwand at 8:07 is valid, since the whole sequence happens in a trial, which I think can be considered sepperate spaces. I'd argue that the elder wand in that scenario is only a sort of imitation within a simulation + you don't get to keep it.
You aren't able to obtain the Elder Wand in the Game. The part in the game where you use it, is not in reality but bascially inside an enchanted tome where you're able to live the story. I mean that's pretty obvious when you play it. I don't know why you call it an unfaithfull to the lore.
1 Not all owners of the elder wand were known at all. 2 You don't actually acquire the wand and only see an illusion/memory of it. 3 That fact also means that even the person who made that illusion/memory didn't need to be an owner of the wand in the first place.
If it’s canon then there should definitely be mention of your wizard or witch somewhere in the books. If you overlook everything else as happenstance, the (spoilers!) Rookwood fight alone would cement your character as arguably the most powerful magic user of all time. You’re fighting up to 7 dark wizards and a wizard comparable to a high ranking death eater all at one time while summoning insane lightning blasts and spells that turn people into dust. And you do it with relative ease. The finally story fight also sees you being incredibly powerful. Like my dude could look at Dumbledore, Grindlewald, and Voldy and match them all at the same time. The magic dash and ancient magic would definitely be more than a match for those three to take on. I give my wizard 7/10 vs Grindlewald, Dumbledore, and Voldy. I’d even give him even odds vs the original 4 founders. Like chocolate frog/statue having powerful.
A solution to this could be some kind of ancient magic fueled mass obliviate type spell to wipe our character's existence from historical records and minds. Not perfect, but with how secretive the ancient magic stuff was kept til that point it's possible the character would seek to do so again. And the full limits of ancient magic are kind of not fully explored so there's potential for such a thing to be possible. Now is it a good workaround for retconning? That idk, still up in the air on it myself despite putting it forth as a possibility lol
I think the definition of canon you are using is a bit flawed. I really don't see why complicate it beyond "content that counts towards a certain story", or "fiction that does factually take place in specific universe". Really, the author doesn't have much to do with anything. Take Jurassic Park series. A lot of the canon stuff really isn't "authentic" to the original material. Heck, there is a soft canon video game. Ultimately, the only thing that will determine if Hogwarts Legacy is canon is if future media that's considered the main content from the franchise chooses to see this game as canon.
I think the 2 only non-canon arguments which contradicts the book series would be 1. As a such powerful wizard/witch as the MC who saved the school, he/she does not mentioned in the main story line. One opposite example is the dragonborn we played in Skyrim, which thu'um power is mentioned as early as in Morrowind (can be earlier,I did not play TES games between Arena and Morrowind), and the dragon-blood heroes (Not called Dragonborn yet) is mentioned in the very beginning. 2. The entrance of the chamber of secret is different, in the main story, the entrance its on the second floor but in Hogwarts legacy its in the basement.
I personally only consider stuff written/made by the original Author ( J.K Rowling ) Canon The seven original books, textbooks like Quidditch thought the ages and fantastic beasts and where to find them, The fantastic beasts movies, Pottermore articles Not consider canon The eight harry potter movies, the cursed child, video games Hogwarts legacy is a big gray area.
Does it matter, though? For a different example, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is an incredible game. However, Sapkowski hates it (and everything he didn't write himself), probably because he's a boomer who thinks video games are an inferior form of media. So, as far as canon is concerned, Geralt and Yen are both '"actually dead" through the events of all those games. However, I wouldn't bother re-reading most of the books, while I'm replaying The Witcher 3 ... so ... I don't care what Sapkowski thinks.
@@Danceofmasks Here is the thing, It’s his story, his universe. Sometimes people who don’t create the universe mess up, cause they don’t understand the world and/or the story. Game of thrones for examples
I’ve only seen a few plot holes in the game, for example you block an avada kedvra spell with expelliarmus. Also I thought Hagrid brought over the man eating spiders but they are everywhere , but maybe he just brought over the talking one
Well you do fight several enemies named as acromantula throughout the game, which is the species that can speak; but considering how many you annihilate, it’s entirely possible the player character wipes out the original infestation half a century before Hagrid attends. Also, it should be considered that Hagrid “finds” Aragog his mate Mosag at some point, which could possibly indicate the species was always present in the forest. The only potential problem with that is that I think acromantula are indigenous to South America, but then again the poachers could have trafficked them.
My personal explanation for why you block Avada Kedavra with Expelliarmus is because you and the boss (leaving unnamed for spoiler reasons) conveniently have twin cores (Of whatever core u picked). Would fit as you don't unalive him, you only wound while fighting him. As Voldemort said, you can wound, but not fatally harm each other. Again, it's my personal head canon. Tho, the fact that Priori Incantatem doesn't happen kinda ruins my explanation, but I can shrug that off. :P
You get neither the actual Elder Wand nor any of the other deathly hallows during Niamh Fitzgerald's trial. You're merely sucked into a book and play through elements of a story. You come out of the trial with nothing but your own wand I thought the presence of acromantula in the Forbidden Forest (and elsewhere) didn't tie in with Hagrid introducing them, but other than that I thought the game was very authentic in its attention to detail and lore. Btw, you have to play through as a member of each house to get the full story. Hufflepuff's is the best, IMO, simply because of a totally unexpected side trip.
Hard canon is the OG books, cursed child, and fantastic beasts. Extended canon is Everything outside hard canon that JK says is canon, soft canon is the extra media that is more maliable and is subject to being overwritten in the future. The line between extended canon and soft canon is sometimes blurry. Just know that so long as it doesn't conflict with Hard Canon it should be treated as a temporary treat. 20 years from now there will be a different game that completely negates the concept of Ancient Magic and changes the story of the Goblin Rebellions. So long nothing as about it mishandles OG Hard canon then you can't say it's wrong. Starwars had 3-5 different and conflicting soft canon explanations on Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars until Episode 2 came around and invalidated them all with new Hard Canon. It happens.
I would say that this is cannon, from playing through it multiple times, I've only come across one instance where it could be considered breaking cannon. Recently while running past the library I heard one of the students say that none of Professor Blacks kids are old enough to be going to Hogwarts, if this is true then it's a small break in canon. According to the developers the game takes place sometime in the 1890's. This timeframe causes a problem with that statement because Professor Blacks eldest son Sirius Black II would have become a 1st year in 1888. If they made it late enough that Sirius had graduated, then we would have to move onto the question of why didn't they do cameo's for Dumbledore and Grindelwald who became 1st years in 1893.
i don't think you can get or even see the elder wand in hogwarts legacy, the only time it i've seen it appear in the game is in the story book section where it's not actually there and all the articles about getting the elder wand actually just say that you can pick elderwood as a color option when customizing your wand in the first act
8:06 you never obtain the elder wand. The part you have the elder wand is when your in a “dream-like” state. You never physically possess the elder wand in the game
As far as I'm concerned, the Cursed Child is fanfiction. I will never consider it canon. Hogwarts Legacy, however, I do consider canon, and I wanna mention that you only really "obtain" the Elder Wand in a story-based trial, so it might not be the real Wand, just a copy from the story.
Just on the elderwand - she actually states the trail is based a famous children’s story; confirming that it’s just an idea to showcase the trial not to actually hold or keep any of the hallows in the real world
I have never heard somebody calling "cursed child" glorified fan fiction. Its an attack on the Potter canon, and seems to be solely made to insult it. I would not even say Rowling has to be involved to achive canon status. A real fan wants to be as near as possible to canon and can achive the same level, so yes to Hogwarts Legacy. Cursed child should probably be called 'extremely losely based on Harry Potter'
A prime example of someone other than the author establishing canon would be Tolkien. After Professor Tolkien passed, his son Christopher undertook the task of going through mountains of notes, letters and other documentation, refining and compiling it and releasing what is arguably some of the best Middle Earth material available. While JK may not have had direct input into Hogwarts Legacy, you can be certain her team of continuity checkers, lore nerds and other creatives acting on behalf of the author were consulted regularly to guide the story as it progressed. So it stands to reason that apart from having Jo's direct "ink" on the project, her interests were well-represented. With regard to HL being canon, because of its branching narrative, they would likely have to pick one path and declare that to be the definitive or canonical tale within the wider scope of Wizarding World lore. The fact that we have Weasleys, Gaunts, and other families represented suggests an historical hermeneutic that weaves itself from established canon and mingles it with HL rather nicely.
Yup I agree with you, according to your description of true canon, I think Hogwarts Legacy should be considered canon, and I also think the cursed child is absolutely Rowlings work even tho she had co-writers, it still has her energy in it and I think it’s brilliant! Great video thanks for the info on the whole canon thing!
I like to think it’s possible as during this time period the history of the Elder Wand is kind of blurry so it would be amazing if our character did have it. I feel it would connect us more to the world in a way
It would be pretty hard for it to be canon. Who was this Ancient Magic wielding child? Boy or girl? What race? What house were they in? Did they use forbidden spells or not? Did they decide to keep this power secret and contained or did they absorb it and flaunt it for all to see? At least it is more lore accurate in one regard vs the films. As a Ravenclaw, the house colors are actually correct and the emblem is an eagle like it should be.
We don’t wield The Elder Wand in the game. The 3rd Keeper Trial of Niamh she says her trial was inspired by a story and when we begin the trial we are sucked into a book (that’s why it looks like a book come to life) and we used the Deathly Hallows to pass the trial. But we only do so in an enchanted book we don’t use them in the over-world or actual game. Besides that point this was a great video, keep it up.
The Deathly Hallows being in Hogwarts Legacy doesn't interrupt canon based on how theyre integrated. The entirety of the 3rd trial takes place in a trippy, illusionary world conjured through magic as a trick of the eye so as to engage in an altered world of the story of the Three Brothers & that, being altered to serve the purpose of being able to get through the trial. Something to compare to in an earlier game would be Batman's Tales in Wonderland part of the Mad Hatter DLC in Battank Forever. That said, the wielding of the Deathly Hallows is apart of said conjuration & therefore as the actual in universe ones werent held by our custom player character, the timeline remains in tack there.
Potential “loophole” for the elder wand, as used in many open ended/world games is often there is only one play though/line of quests etc etc which is classed as canon for that game. Could also be used to explain house choice, learning the dark arts etc etc
Why is child censored as "ch*ld" in the captions? O.o I've noticed some other normal words being censored on other videos, whilst kill/death/die not being censored in the same sentences
I consider it as canon, maybe with one exact character and one path storyline, and we, the players, just living in the parallel or multiverse of that :D
EDIT: There is one spoiler from 8:03 to 8:23
Did Molly Weasley Use ANCIENT Magic on Bellatrix: ruclips.net/video/_SMHTpWTGMI/видео.html
History of Ancient Magic: ruclips.net/video/SGvjtrayuAI/видео.html
History of Avada Kedavra: ruclips.net/video/5CPUS72CaVA/видео.html
History of the Gaunt Family: ruclips.net/video/13wUw-KT4ew/видео.html
@harrypottertheory can I add something ✋ .. didn't Rowling say something along the lines "just leave up to your own imagination?" that's where the magic happens
And I like all the series and side quest of each author wanting to put their own twist on it.. I just got to the point, I'll just watch mode,because too many things are left unturned as an OG fan of the series.
Technically, cursed child is not canon bro.
Sorry, but why you censored the word "child" at 7:20 in the subtitle? 👀 Nothing wrong, just curiosity.
Hogwarts Legacy could be canon. Because it explain about ancient magic. The magic that lily used to manipulate voldy magic and make his avada kedavra spell to split his soul to harry.
And also about harry can control stuff in the muggle world. When he inflate that annoying lady. That was indeed ancient magic there. Accidentally activated because harry was angry. Remember, guys lily's power back then WAS NOT "LOVE MAGIC". IT WAS ANCIENT MAGIC. Ancient magic lured by the emotions.
It doesnt make any sense if you think the plot of "love magic" is logic. Lol what era is thjs today? 1500s? XD
Love is just one of emotion/feeling. It should not have any power except for the delusional feeling to that person.
Ancient magic is far more logic answer.
Hey I think you are misinterpreting something I don't think players are able to obtain the elder wand in the third trial I think that the third trial is based on the deathly hallows so we gain a replica of that particular object in that particular trial I think it is more of imagination came to life through ancient magic than them being the deathly hallows themselves as It was the only trial that happened in a black and white kinda world I believe it is a imaginative construction of reality
Canon or not, it's the best visual realisation of the Harry Potter universe I've ever seen.
There are a few flaws, most of them relating to a particular lunar themed questline, but I loved every second of my first playthough. It's truly an amazing world to explore.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory there needs ti be dlcs
Fact
@@MyBitch925 100 percent it'll be such a big miss if they don't there is so much opportunity
Ive many gameplay and mechanic complaints but visually fn amazing
But technically you don't get the elder wand, your doing an Ancient magic trial in the Headmistress's subconscious of sorts. So it's not like you're wielding it in the real world
@@elijapaige703 No, they never did. But it includes all of the Peverell brothers Deathly Hallows in that sequence, so it's like 99% surely the Elder wand
Came to say exactly this.
@@3dge7 But in Trial 3 you''re not really in the real world, I think that was the point of the drastically different art style that only existed in that trial.
I read you can get the elder wand appearance from the shop if you got it on the Wizardingworld quiz.
Its not the real elder wand, is a trial created to alude to an in universe Story....why is this confusing anyone?
On the point of the Elder Wand "blunder," the character is "living out" a story written by Niamh Fitzgerald, where the character of the story obtains the three relics. Therefore, the player never actually obtains the wand, but simply a representation of the wand.
It seems that the mission that involves the Deathly Hallows was simply a pensive challenge that was like a "dream" if that makes sense. So these aren't the real Deathly Hallows of legend, but the old headmaster's interpretation of them for the player to interact with for their challenge.
Also I do agree that this game should be cannon. It truly is more "Harry Potter" than Fantastic Beasts and Curse Child in my opinion.
Well you kinda view it in the form of a story book. You don't actually weird them as much as you wield what they're said to be.
My only issue with this game being canon though is the fact you Sabastian has two fates. It literally changes what happens to him depending on what you do. Which would then lead to the question of which one is canon.
@@Skylancer727 Does it really matter what happens to Sebastian? We can always say that we don't really know what happened to him.
@@CristiNeagu I mean if we're talking canon kinda. If they ever build on what happened in other stories it may change what is and isn't canon. The point of the main canon is it's supposed to be consistent. I know that's pretty hard to do for older franchises, but it is the intent.
@@Skylancer727 If any sequel happens, some paths will considered as canon. That is true for a lot of games.
I believe that the canon ending is the protagonist seals all the magic and became a new keeper. Albus Dumbledore might be the next keeper. Canon ending for Sebastian would be that he was sent to Azkaban, and his sister dies soon after since there is no 'Sallow' in the original canon iirc.
I mean, for fucks sake the entire quest is animated like you're in a black and white storybook.
If the awful Cursed Child is canon, Hogwarts Legacy should be
Lol agreed!
Neither are imo
Well said
Judging by the cursed child literally everything is canon. I’m the headmaster of Hogwarts by the way
JK wanted that check, so she let cursed child become canon
Even if hogwarts legacy is or isn't canon, it's canon in our hearts
Yesssss! :)
Yes!
Unlike cursed child 😂
Well, my own version of it.
@@Drace90 I think we all have our own versions. And that's what makes it so great.
We all universally reject Cursed Child and throw it out with both hands 😂
Hogwarts Legacy did have Avalanche's team communicating with Rowling's lore team to ensure that it stayed in line with her canon and lore.
I will note that on the matter of the Deathly Hallows, that trial was more of a vision rather than the player character actually acquiring them.
Cursed Child is canon and Hogwarts Legacy it's not
@@augusto____ Then canon be damned. Just gonna end up with a Star Wars EU situation of personal canons and people who are franchise fans rejecting the mainline cabon in favor of the non-canon to add to their own consideration of canon
Yeah, that's my take from Fitzgerald's trial too. Avision quest or a first-person explanation of the Deathly Hallows, or perhaps a loose retelling of the tale of the Three Brothers in interactive format. Avalanche did a great job. Hope they get. A sequel or even spin-offs and can do a lot of great things with that century of the Wizaring World
@@Pastafari4 i like the Wizarding World canon, the current Star Wars canon is disney's but then some people can have their canon perception, one thing i always see as very important to establish canonicity is the creator, the things he create, when it's involved in a significant enough way or things he approve with more than an average like, to me it's their story and it's not about what someone likes and i can like and dislike things whether it's from their stories or not
@@augusto____ rowling didnt create cursed child, co wrote it, not canon.
Lets be honest, JK would 100% give her full endorsement of this game as canon if it wasnt for the fact twitter starts screaming bloody murder every time she opens her mouth. The sheer level of detail put into upkeeping every detail mentioned in the books is astonishing, its definitely canon
Official line is she has no involvement in the game but I highly doubt it. She had involvement but they're keeping it quiet to avoid any backlash
Nah bc of the trans bartender
@@WelcometotheShow501 she doesn't hate trans people. I doubt she would've forced them to remove it
@@WelcometotheShow501 You've been lied to. Watch @The Offensive Tranny's video on J. K. Rowling.
Rowling cares too much about Twitter. The opinions you see there represent at most 0.5% of the population.
I would accept it a lot more willingly than Cursed Child
Yeah, but Hogwarts Legacy also has some stuff that would never make sense in a novel. Imagine Voldemort had turned into a gooey dragon at the end for no reason whatsoever, other than the story needing a cool looking final boss level.
@@Drace90 I don’t know. We see Voldemort posses people, even living on the back of someone’s head, and making a baby-like body for himself from snake venom and spells of his own design. So is it really so different to see a Goblin fuse with Ancient Magic to become a sort of liquid Dragon? Especially given we find out about his fascination with Dragons from an early age earlier in the story, on the Rowland Oaks quest, similarly to Voldemort and Snakes.
With all that said, I was a bit disappointed by the final fight. I was hoping both Ranrock and I would be infused by the Ancient Magic and have a super powered battle, using more regular spells that were now magnified, then you have a choice to return the magic or not, which changes the game’s ending. But anyway, I still love the game’s story, and personally didn’t have an issue with Ranrock becoming a Dragon at the end, it felt like the completion of his arc… he just picked the wrong Wizard to mess with 🧙♀️😅
Cursed play was an insult to fans and to Rowling's own work. I can't believe she allowed it. I don't care what the twitter nutters have issues with her about, people should be mad about Cursed Play. LOL
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Never gonna call that darn thing canon
Agreed
One counterpoint: players are not able to obtain THE Elder Wand, only a wand using Elder Wood; The Elder Wand had a Thestral Hair Core, whereas players in H.L. can only obtain wands with the typical Olivander cores: Unicorn Hair, Dragon Heartstring and Phoenix Feather. While Elder Wood wands were very rare, owing in-part to the dark reputation of The Elder Wand no doubt, it is stated on the official website that other Elder Wood wands are made, and that those who were chosen by wands of Elder would often find connection with those chosen by Rowan Wood wands.
While The Elder Wand is featured in the game, it is only as part of a quest that saw the player go inside an enchantment, living out an interactive test based on The Tale of the Three Brothers, and not, in fact, real events, or memory of events that happened in-game.
I hope they make DLCs where we get more variety of cores.
The elder wand was lost during this time if I recall correctly anyway.
@Vetarlit Torf Tbh the core types being limited don't make sense to the timeline, Garrick wasn't born yet so the wand types were way more diverse in this era than when he was alive. Garrick was the one who limited his creations to Unicorn, Dragon and Phoenix.
@@vetarlittorf1807 yes! I’d also love slight buffs to some areas Vs others depending on your wand. For example, my wand from the quiz was a Rowan Wood wand, which is said to cast the strongest shield charms, so I’d have loved it if my Protago in-game was buffed slightly, while other wands are said to chose those with an aptitude for Magical Beasts, for example, so maybe it could be a bit easier to rescue beasts if you have one of those wands? Just little things like that to make the different wand options feel more meaningful.
@@sanguinetales I'm aware. But they probably did it for technical reasons than lore reasons. Either way, I'd love to see cores that are less common in the British wizarding community like a thunderbird feather or a basilisk horn. Heck, I'd even love to have them introduce new cores like say, a mermaid vocal cord. I imagine that could have a strong affinity with water and sound-based magic.
The Elder Wand in the game isn't even real. It's part of a magical trial based on the Three Brothers story wherein you acquire *all* of the Deathly Hallows.
The FAQ on the game official website stated that the dev collaborated closely with JK's team to make sure the world remains consistance. I think at the very least JK would have to green lit the project for the game to be made in the first place. She never sold the IP outright, she licensed it.
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It’s not definitive but it does give a lot of legitimacy I would say.
@@thedarkspawnshooter3717 using this argument fallout new Vegas is not cannon because Bethesda licensed it to obsidian
The Doctor Who series is a great example of canon being created by multiple writers and directors, starting from 1963.
Same for the Marvel universe. Not all the comics and stories are made by Stan Lee, but definitely endorsed by him.
Comics and canon dont go together for that reason lol
I think that while JK Rowling didn't write the story, she probably was given at least an outline and was able to approve or disapprove if certain story elements break canon or the rules of the universe. In that way, it could be considered canon if the majority of consumers agree. Personally, it feels so much like a Harry Potter book or movie that I'm going to consider it canon. It helps to have Weasleys, Phineas Black, Peeves, etc as characters.
True. I love the detail that the developers checked the timeline as to who was the Headmaster at the time. It's also nice to have a Weasley as the Deputy Headmistress. She kind of stood in for Minerva McGonagall for me quite a bit, but I must say that I like Phineas Black as a Headmaster more than Dumbledore.
Hogwarts Legacy does have several elements that break canon and go against the books
Really enjoy your deep dives into different subject and all the detail and work you put into them, thank you!
Cheers Ed, glad you enjoy them!
Hogwarts legacy is the closest thing you will get to immersion in the Potter universe. There were times playing the game that I felt as if I was in a movie prequel series for the franchise. My brain has already made it canon as far as I'm concerned. If there's anyone on the fence still about the game, buy it, you won't regret it. I play a lot of video games in my spare time and I honestly think it should be a strong contender for game of the year.
Amen to that! Don't listen to Twitter, just play the game, or watch a friend of yours play it to judge for yourself. I mean, I believe Ragnok's Rebellion was mentioned as a History of Magic lesson by Hermione for Ron and Harry to write the essay for it.
Loved the script and overall structure of this video. Nothing felt superfluous, and you did a great job discussing everything. Thank you, thoroughly enjoyed it. And I’m really happy to see your channel doing well in the wake of Hogwarts Legacy’s release
Your kind words are much appreciated!
I don’t consider canon to be “created or endorsed by the original author”. If it’s clearly stated by the owner of that IP that it is part of the established universe, does not contradict prior lore and in general adds to the appeal of the story, then I consider it canon
Ok, since a lot of people are commenting about this, I’ll attempt to make an explanation that is a bit more comprehensive.
Spoiler alert!
In the game, at one point, you’re given the task to go to the headmaster office to initiate your next trial.
But unlike the previous ones, this one in particulars requires you to approach the book on the pedestal which is the iconic tale of the three brothers, The Deathly Hallows.
The transition where your character gets pulled into the book is undoubtedly supposed to be a nod to Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets.
In that the same thing happens to Harry when reading and communicating with Tom Riddles diary.
Reminder that in both cases at that point, both Harry and your character are seeking knowledge. Your character to gain knowledge from the pensieve memory and Harry to gain knowledge of Aragogs existence.
The one crontradiction in that section is how your character seemingly ends up at the map chamber rather then back in the headmasters office. Harry was simply shot back out into the chair he was previously sitting in.
I would also like to point out the art style during that section resembles the art style of the movie in The Deathly Hallows part 1 during the scene where Hermione is explaining the story.
So in a way, that trial is following a double canon.
Hopefully this helps settle the confusion as in the video, they don’t go into detail about that part and I can see why. As It can be a very crontroversial subject.
My biggest complaint with Hogwarts Legacy and non canonical content is the laxidasical response to using unforgivable curses. I understand the game developer wanted the curses to be included in the game and to be fun to use, but when you use them in front of people, they're just like oh dang, don't let me see that again. So there's literally no consequence for you literally ending people's lives with a avada kadavra on full grown human adult wizards.
yeah thats true but they cannot simply send you to azkaban in the game because of the main storyline. that would be it. the end after you use unforgivable curses againts somebody. in the books harry use few times those curses (execpt avada kedavra) and doesnt get send to azkaban because no body around him didnt care at the time. same thing at the game. the characters didnt care at the time (i like to think so). at the end the player make the choice to use them or not. but i must admit those curses are awesome in the game.
@@vilu9183 the only non deatheater he used one on was one or two goblins in the bank and that was while obtaining the cup. also there is those that gothen away that used it way more than he did to because they worked with the ministry afther voldermots fall. so harry breaking the law a couple of times even when not fighting aigenst deatheaters its understandable that he would not be prosecuted at the time. there might have been a inquary at some point aigenst him about the use where he needed to explain why it was done but that was probably it. afther all how could they send the person that ended voldermorts tyrany to a life time in azkaban but letting a deatheater like lucius malfoy go free afther revealing information about the rest of the deatheaters. they would also have needed to arrest a lot of the students to because the carrols promoted the use of the torture curse used amoung the students.
@@baldrian22voldemort took over the ministry and made them all legal at the time.
I actually love how the creators said it wasn't canon, but there are many vids on youtube that talk about events of Hogwarts Legacy and combine it with the movies and see it as canon. I think 80% of the fans would love to see HL being canon (me included). And like someone else said if cursed child is canon, then this should be too. The game got great lore, is amazing storyline,...
In my opinion it should be treated as canon.
“Yes. While Hogwarts Legacy is not a direct adaptation of the books and films, game is anchored in Wizarding World lore. Avalanche has created a unique gaming experience that is inspired by the magical universe created by J.K. Rowling, in which players will find new and unexpected locations, characters, and story elements.”
It is canon.
Hogwarts legacy I believe is canon 100%. It has such amazing story. It doesn't counter act to what will happen to harry and the gang in future.
I was hoping that at the end of the Hogwarts legacy story we would be shown a hundred years or so forward in time. Perhaps professors teaching magical history to students around the time Harry lived, telling about this remarkable ancient magic story connected to Isadora, us Ranrok and the goblin war. Then it truly would have felt like cannon :)
@@s.b200 that's awesome thought. But I don't think we would get a time jump until our 7th year when Dumbledore is starting his 1st year in 1892. If we get a time jump at all.
lackluster main story.
I think Ominis Gaunt is actually Voldemort's distant uncle
Not that distant, he's his great-uncle. And I would love to see more about him.
Okay, Mr. Conspiracy Theorist.😂😂
@@michaelasbury7121 I mean, its probably true, Tom Riddles Mum was named Merope *Gaunt*
Obviously he’s an ancestor but why do you say his Uncle? Also I’m of a mind with Robert here. Voldemort was born in the early 1900s and this game is in late 1800s.
@@Stephanie-uk8be He uses Twitter too much, don't mind him
Just finished it and I am blown away, I really hope one day a film or TV show is made from this story
I'll consider it canon, and in the faqs page of the official website, they did say that while J.K. Rowling wasn't involved in the development of the game, they were in close consultation with her team. So it's just kinda like the the later movies where J.K. Rowling wasn't closely monitoring the production of the movies.
By this logic, the other hp games would be just as canon as HL
This game is a love letter to Harry Potter fans. I grew up with the series, being 11 when I watched the first movie and read the first books. I have wanted to go to Hogwarts since then, and now I finally can!
My headcanon on how Hogwarts Legacy fits in HP canon: The exact history and details about the identity and choices made by the MC were lost or corrupted over time.
No one knows for sure what their house, name, gender, or exact actions were, except for things that are vastly agreed upon, like their ability to weild Ancient Magic, etc. Everything else is a rumour or uncertain reports. No one knows for sure if they actually learned or used Unforgivable Curses.
TL;DR: All the choices we can make in the game are historical rumours and the only things considered as facts are the things we can't change in the game.
I think it's canon for several reasons. We have several ancestral characters that we encounter there. Both main and secondary characters. There would be the Weasleys Matilda and Garreth, then Ominis Gaunt, Director Black, then a female character that we meet there in a side quest that becomes very well known later on. Then the Rookwoods Charles and Victor, who are ancestors of Augustus Rookwood, a Death Eater of Voldemort, and also someone who doesn't pay much attention but who actually goes on to become the Minister of Magic in Fantastic Beasts. He's one of the students at Hogwarts. He's also the only one of the students you see at Hogwarts as an NPC that has a name and he's also dressed differently than the other
In Hogwarts Legacy, the nice girl that previously was in Uagadou said that wandless magic is just as good as wand-magic. But Rowling said, that best magic is performed with an object to channel the wizards power (a wand, obviously)
That would be a major non-canon-thing, I think
That's precisely two different tiers of magic you are describing though. Someone could use simple charms to build a house. That could be done with our without a wand. The "Best magic" is like those that protect Hogwarts. Someone couldn't just build a Sistine Chaple by themselves. Natsai Onai's opinion doesn't say it's better or the best.
To be honest she is a 15 to 16 years old student saying that as an fact. I would consider that there are people in the wizarding world that dont agree.
The player character might not be canon, but I think the storyline itself might be
But it’s not.
It most likely is
Not the 100% story but maybe some of it is. Like say the story about ranrok's goblin rebellion, however the story about ancient magic might be not.
The player character IS canon. We just don't know what they look like or whether it's a boy or a girl.
@@francizluzon7199 interesting thought
The only thing which interests me if we imagine HL being canon - what is the future of ancient magic? If the main hero dies of old age, what happens with the whole ability line?
Moreover, how does ancient magic generally goes into the whole canoj structure?
I love the version of the Room Of Requirements that you choose! 😊
I see hogwarts legacy as cannon myself. That mission where you go into the story world is just that, a story world where the creator could do anything. I've loved playing Legacy, and it has been much better than other video games I've played in the past where they copy the books. This felt new, while staying true to the books, in my opinion.
When it comes the canon of the Harry Potter universe, it comes to one simple aspect; if it is labeled officially as 'Wizarding World'. Everything under that label is now official canon, even if some stories are better than others. The Wizarding World has swiftly grown far past JKR and her writing, and is now a franchise much more in the line of Star Wars. Star Wars was created by George Lucas, and while he penned the scripts to the first six films and directed multiple, he also, even before he sold the rights, had other creators adding to the world and lore of the universe he had created. Hogwarts Legacy falls perfectly into the canon (even if I'm sure there is a true canonical ending, ignoring the other possible choices that players might select while playing, in the way of many games) There will very likely be in the near future a host of other games, films, tv shows and even books made by other creators that all fall within the Wizarding World, and likely nearly all of that will be considered certified canon.
Excellent point.
Yea no. Even your example of star wars has now dumped its cannon multiple times.
@@johnschwalb Only once, and that was a company buyout. Even then, all the best bits of the extended canon, like Admiral Thrawn, were brought back. Even so, for now, Wizarding World is still the extended canon universe of Harry Potter.
It was awesome...and a great story. So why not! Hell it even made me like the Fantastic Beasts series more....because I got to interact with some of the magical beasts myself. I've decided I really really need a Niffler pet. :)
That aspect of the game is awesome, tying in both film series' to create a very rich world
there are multiple canons. The films and books are clearly two different, but closely related canons. Hogwarts legacy is probably a third canon in a similar way
Excellent and I agree. 1 the 7 books 2 The 8 movies 3 Hogwart's Legacy (Fantastic beast etc & Cursed Child are fever dreams of someone high as a kite) or and Alt Universe.
i'd treat Hogwarts Legacy as canon. the game does a brilliant job to respecting the world lore and even expanding it. i really felt like i was in the wizarding world while playing the rpg. i agree with your list for the most part, but i'd give Legacy an exception just for the incredible job they did making an open world wizarding rpg.
I'd say Hogwarts legacy is the way you can not only engage with the franchise, you can live through it more with huge immersion and have more of a personal feel and experience with it. So to say - make it more realistic and not just a fiction with having the ability to have leeway, interactions and most importantly, have your own story in it.
Well said! Hogwarts Legacy is, in that perspective, very similar to the experience one has with Lord of the Rings Online for the Tolkien Legendarium.
@@seregrian5675 Exactly
I think of it as canon source material. The game itself is not, but the ideas can be elaborated on and explored to make them more canonical
I think it is true canon and it should be! 😁
Also, about the elder wand thing, you are basically in a memory of some sort, so you don't possess the real wand at that point of time
The story could definitely be canon, and I agree with your distinction of canon. Just ignore the character you're playing and replace it with a specific designed character and it could all fit in and make sense. You meet characters and interact with things throughout the universe we have seen before all throughout the entirety game. Of course there's a few things that wouldn't make sense, like the homages to the books and movies throughout the game(not gonna specify for spoilers), but definitely feels like it could be part of the actual lore.
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Hogwarts legacy is Canon in every way! Its has same history of HP, same places, many folklore that could definitely fit in HP and I believe Hogwarts Legacy has more details than the books and movies about the Wizarding world of HP.
Let me say first, HPT, that I am pleased I subscribe to your channel - your detailed and well-thought-out presentations are always a pleasure to review!
I am truly impressed by your definition of canonicity! Your definition could be easily applied to any other franchise - Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTR, Narnia, to name a few. The Potter franchise is lucky to have its creator still living; Narnia and Middle-Earth do not enjoy that...
The only minor quibble I have with the presentation is substituting "Warner Brothers" with "Warner Bros" - it's a little jarring, but doesn't detract from the rest of the presentation (and yes, I recognize it's the speech AI you're using).
I look forward to not only your next video installment, but also to hopefully joining you and others in their journeys in the Wizarding World!
Movies were endorsed by JK but they are not considered canon. Also, fantastic beasts is based off of JK writings just like Cursed Child. That doesn’t make either canon. JK even said that unless she oversees every aspect of a story and it doesn’t contradict established history and more then it can’t be considered canon.
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What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
It's not really a spoiler, but the elder wand in the game isn't actually the elder wand. You'll find out what I mean when you get there.
Great video, though I do have one question. Is the main character a descendant or related to isidora morganarch or the other keepers? i think it's interesting lore to delve into
I’ve gotta hurry up and beat the game so I can tackle this stuff. I’ve been taking my sweet time doing everything but main quests.
I consider the Main story canon and maybe the companions quest lines as well, that’s a maybe though
If it's a fully licensed product that doesn't interfere with previous canon, and the creator states that it's canon/doesn't deny it, then it's canon.
My inner Child was so happy with this game made me cry a view times when i played it and finnaly saw hogwards and my house huffelpuf to be in the common room and in the kitchen and to work with beast and flying and so much more
Btw thank you for all the awsome videos you make for us love youre work much love ❤️
Again, thank you so very much for the subtitles! It helps me a lot.
More canon than Cursed Child IMO
Imagine actual story of Harry Potter saga is Voldemort finding Slytherin's Scriptorium but getting trapped there until he dies lmao
uh the elder wand only comes up in a dream/illusion sequence its not the real one
Main Canon: The HP books, Fantastic Beasts, Hogwarts Legacy
Divergent Canon: The HP Movies
Not Canon: Cursed Child, the rest of the HP games
You can't get THE Elder wand. You can get an Elder wand made of the wood with the typical three cores.
I know, without spoiling much, about the wand you are talking about and that it is a memory, and if you recall...memories can be tampered with. If the memory is legitimate it would be during the wand's 'dark ages'.
The tale of the three brothers are interpreted by the Headmistress Fitzgerald as three brothers who found powerful artifacts and used it against the army of Death, which might means powerful adversaries in their time. They were not given directly by Death. It was Death that compelled them to find it. Its the same core of fighting against Death, but this one is more scenematic.
They are not real, we just play through a storybook written by the former headmistress.
Warner Brothers HBO is Making hogwarts legacy as a TV show then it’s Canon
As far as I’m concerned. The fans never have any power over what is or is not canon. As canon is, legally, completely in the hands of the owners of the IP. In that regard Cursed Child is more canon than Legacy even if I think Legacy does more for the overall universe of Harry Potter. I still stand by the game as canon, even if weaker than other canon, due to the lack of any real contradictory statements on the part of the creators
I am 100% sure JK Rowling had something to do with the plot of HL. She may not have been the main writer, but something tells me she read the entire plot for her approval before release. JK Rowling is very careful and meticulous with her wizarding world. She's not just gonna hand it over to some random people and let them call the shots.
EDIT and SPOILERS: Also, you don't get the elder wand. You're just in a subconcious memory where you get to use it (where they did not even call it "elder wand"). You won't be able to keep it.
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They did call it the Elder Wand. They mentioned each Hallow by name. The entire story was about the Deathly Hallows. You, in fact, replayed a story about cheating Death. Each Hallow had it's own act. While you only experienced a memory of the Hallows, it doesn't make it any more or less relevant.
I think the major problem for canonicity is the “main character” issue. Some event do change based on your sorting, some choice you make, and the ending too.
Until an official version of what happened is penned down, it would be hard to 100% canonize the events of the game…even if there is actually no problem that you described, as that doesn’t ‘really’ happen.
Going by that logic, literally NO games with choices have cannon at all. For example: The entire Elder Scrolls series has NO cannon according to that logic, which is flat out wrong.
@@Camazotz-kz9wr Games do get things eventually confirmed/denied. And again, there are things that should be definitely confirmed/denied before considering the canonicity of Hogwarts Legacy, without making spoilers.
I would 100% agree with the game being Canon
In my opinion HL can for the most part be considered cannon, as it adds and adheres to established cannon. With some exception that I think are mainly gameplay decisions, like the acrumantulas existing in the forbidden forest, when they where introduces by Hagrid much later.
I don't think your point about (SPOILER) the elderwand at 8:07 is valid, since the whole sequence happens in a trial, which I think can be considered sepperate spaces. I'd argue that the elder wand in that scenario is only a sort of imitation within a simulation + you don't get to keep it.
You aren't able to obtain the Elder Wand in the Game. The part in the game where you use it, is not in reality but bascially inside an enchanted tome where you're able to live the story. I mean that's pretty obvious when you play it. I don't know why you call it an unfaithfull to the lore.
1 Not all owners of the elder wand were known at all. 2 You don't actually acquire the wand and only see an illusion/memory of it. 3 That fact also means that even the person who made that illusion/memory didn't need to be an owner of the wand in the first place.
As long as it follows the timeline, it's canon.
It is actually surprisingly faithful to the source material.
If it doesn’t contradicts the canon, then it’s canon.
If it’s canon then there should definitely be mention of your wizard or witch somewhere in the books. If you overlook everything else as happenstance, the (spoilers!) Rookwood fight alone would cement your character as arguably the most powerful magic user of all time. You’re fighting up to 7 dark wizards and a wizard comparable to a high ranking death eater all at one time while summoning insane lightning blasts and spells that turn people into dust. And you do it with relative ease. The finally story fight also sees you being incredibly powerful. Like my dude could look at Dumbledore, Grindlewald, and Voldy and match them all at the same time. The magic dash and ancient magic would definitely be more than a match for those three to take on. I give my wizard 7/10 vs Grindlewald, Dumbledore, and Voldy. I’d even give him even odds vs the original 4 founders. Like chocolate frog/statue having powerful.
A solution to this could be some kind of ancient magic fueled mass obliviate type spell to wipe our character's existence from historical records and minds. Not perfect, but with how secretive the ancient magic stuff was kept til that point it's possible the character would seek to do so again. And the full limits of ancient magic are kind of not fully explored so there's potential for such a thing to be possible. Now is it a good workaround for retconning? That idk, still up in the air on it myself despite putting it forth as a possibility lol
@@marth354that’s the only explanation honestly lol.
I think the definition of canon you are using is a bit flawed. I really don't see why complicate it beyond "content that counts towards a certain story", or "fiction that does factually take place in specific universe".
Really, the author doesn't have much to do with anything. Take Jurassic Park series. A lot of the canon stuff really isn't "authentic" to the original material. Heck, there is a soft canon video game.
Ultimately, the only thing that will determine if Hogwarts Legacy is canon is if future media that's considered the main content from the franchise chooses to see this game as canon.
I think the 2 only non-canon arguments which contradicts the book series would be 1. As a such powerful wizard/witch as the MC who saved the school, he/she does not mentioned in the main story line. One opposite example is the dragonborn we played in Skyrim, which thu'um power is mentioned as early as in Morrowind (can be earlier,I did not play TES games between Arena and Morrowind), and the dragon-blood heroes (Not called Dragonborn yet) is mentioned in the very beginning. 2. The entrance of the chamber of secret is different, in the main story, the entrance its on the second floor but in Hogwarts legacy its in the basement.
I personally only consider stuff written/made by the original Author ( J.K Rowling )
Canon
The seven original books, textbooks like Quidditch thought the ages and fantastic beasts and where to find them, The fantastic beasts movies, Pottermore articles
Not consider canon
The eight harry potter movies, the cursed child, video games
Hogwarts legacy is a big gray area.
Movies are canon even though they omit/change some stuff. Hogwarts legacy can’t be canon due to you creating your own character.
Does it matter, though?
For a different example, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is an incredible game.
However, Sapkowski hates it (and everything he didn't write himself), probably because he's a boomer who thinks video games are an inferior form of media.
So, as far as canon is concerned, Geralt and Yen are both '"actually dead" through the events of all those games.
However, I wouldn't bother re-reading most of the books, while I'm replaying The Witcher 3 ... so ... I don't care what Sapkowski thinks.
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Here is the thing, It’s his story, his universe. Sometimes people who don’t create the universe mess up, cause they don’t understand the world and/or the story. Game of thrones for examples
I’ve only seen a few plot holes in the game, for example you block an avada kedvra spell with expelliarmus. Also I thought Hagrid brought over the man eating spiders but they are everywhere , but maybe he just brought over the talking one
The ones in the game are not acromantulas, because they lack the ability to talk. That particular species came from South America.
Well you do fight several enemies named as acromantula throughout the game, which is the species that can speak; but considering how many you annihilate, it’s entirely possible the player character wipes out the original infestation half a century before Hagrid attends. Also, it should be considered that Hagrid “finds” Aragog his mate Mosag at some point, which could possibly indicate the species was always present in the forest. The only potential problem with that is that I think acromantula are indigenous to South America, but then again the poachers could have trafficked them.
My personal explanation for why you block Avada Kedavra with Expelliarmus is because you and the boss (leaving unnamed for spoiler reasons) conveniently have twin cores (Of whatever core u picked). Would fit as you don't unalive him, you only wound while fighting him. As Voldemort said, you can wound, but not fatally harm each other. Again, it's my personal head canon. Tho, the fact that Priori Incantatem doesn't happen kinda ruins my explanation, but I can shrug that off. :P
@@EventHorrorEyesOn I like the theory we wiped out all the spiders were a few decades haha
Well sort of it’s Canon
You get neither the actual Elder Wand nor any of the other deathly hallows during Niamh Fitzgerald's trial. You're merely sucked into a book and play through elements of a story. You come out of the trial with nothing but your own wand
I thought the presence of acromantula in the Forbidden Forest (and elsewhere) didn't tie in with Hagrid introducing them, but other than that I thought the game was very authentic in its attention to detail and lore.
Btw, you have to play through as a member of each house to get the full story. Hufflepuff's is the best, IMO, simply because of a totally unexpected side trip.
Oh cool, I've never been this early before hahaha Hogwarts Legacy was super fun regardless of if its canon or not
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Can you do a video on all four house common rooms on Hogwarts Legacy. Also what's your view on Hogwarts Mystery? Do you consider that cannon
Hard canon is the OG books, cursed child, and fantastic beasts. Extended canon is Everything outside hard canon that JK says is canon, soft canon is the extra media that is more maliable and is subject to being overwritten in the future. The line between extended canon and soft canon is sometimes blurry.
Just know that so long as it doesn't conflict with Hard Canon it should be treated as a temporary treat. 20 years from now there will be a different game that completely negates the concept of Ancient Magic and changes the story of the Goblin Rebellions. So long nothing as about it mishandles OG Hard canon then you can't say it's wrong.
Starwars had 3-5 different and conflicting soft canon explanations on Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars until Episode 2 came around and invalidated them all with new Hard Canon. It happens.
More canon than changing Dumbledore's sexual preferences post mortem
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I would say that this is cannon, from playing through it multiple times, I've only come across one instance where it could be considered breaking cannon. Recently while running past the library I heard one of the students say that none of Professor Blacks kids are old enough to be going to Hogwarts, if this is true then it's a small break in canon. According to the developers the game takes place sometime in the 1890's. This timeframe causes a problem with that statement because Professor Blacks eldest son Sirius Black II would have become a 1st year in 1888. If they made it late enough that Sirius had graduated, then we would have to move onto the question of why didn't they do cameo's for Dumbledore and Grindelwald who became 1st years in 1893.
Awe I would have loved to see a little Dumbledore in the game!❤️
Grindelwald however went to Durmstrang, not Hogwarts
@@fehyndana7725 My bad, I knew Grindelwald and Dumbledore met in their teens so thought it had been while going to school at Hogwarts.
i don't think you can get or even see the elder wand in hogwarts legacy, the only time it i've seen it appear in the game is in the story book section where it's not actually there and all the articles about getting the elder wand actually just say that you can pick elderwood as a color option when customizing your wand in the first act
8:06 you never obtain the elder wand. The part you have the elder wand is when your in a “dream-like” state. You never physically possess the elder wand in the game
As far as I'm concerned, the Cursed Child is fanfiction. I will never consider it canon. Hogwarts Legacy, however, I do consider canon, and I wanna mention that you only really "obtain" the Elder Wand in a story-based trial, so it might not be the real Wand, just a copy from the story.
Just on the elderwand - she actually states the trail is based a famous children’s story; confirming that it’s just an idea to showcase the trial not to actually hold or keep any of the hallows in the real world
Personally, I _despise_ "ancient" magic. Wizards are already a drop in the bucket, making another tier of "specialness" is just absurd.
I have never heard somebody calling "cursed child" glorified fan fiction. Its an attack on the Potter canon, and seems to be solely made to insult it.
I would not even say Rowling has to be involved to achive canon status. A real fan wants to be as near as possible to canon and can achive the same level, so yes to Hogwarts Legacy.
Cursed child should probably be called 'extremely losely based on Harry Potter'
A prime example of someone other than the author establishing canon would be Tolkien. After Professor Tolkien passed, his son Christopher undertook the task of going through mountains of notes, letters and other documentation, refining and compiling it and releasing what is arguably some of the best Middle Earth material available.
While JK may not have had direct input into Hogwarts Legacy, you can be certain her team of continuity checkers, lore nerds and other creatives acting on behalf of the author were consulted regularly to guide the story as it progressed. So it stands to reason that apart from having Jo's direct "ink" on the project, her interests were well-represented.
With regard to HL being canon, because of its branching narrative, they would likely have to pick one path and declare that to be the definitive or canonical tale within the wider scope of Wizarding World lore. The fact that we have Weasleys, Gaunts, and other families represented suggests an historical hermeneutic that weaves itself from established canon and mingles it with HL rather nicely.
Yup I agree with you, according to your description of true canon, I think Hogwarts Legacy should be considered canon, and I also think the cursed child is absolutely Rowlings work even tho she had co-writers, it still has her energy in it and I think it’s brilliant! Great video thanks for the info on the whole canon thing!
I like to think it’s possible as during this time period the history of the Elder Wand is kind of blurry so it would be amazing if our character did have it. I feel it would connect us more to the world in a way
It would be pretty hard for it to be canon. Who was this Ancient Magic wielding child? Boy or girl? What race? What house were they in? Did they use forbidden spells or not? Did they decide to keep this power secret and contained or did they absorb it and flaunt it for all to see? At least it is more lore accurate in one regard vs the films. As a Ravenclaw, the house colors are actually correct and the emblem is an eagle like it should be.
We don’t wield The Elder Wand in the game. The 3rd Keeper Trial of Niamh she says her trial was inspired by a story and when we begin the trial we are sucked into a book (that’s why it looks like a book come to life) and we used the Deathly Hallows to pass the trial.
But we only do so in an enchanted book we don’t use them in the over-world or actual game.
Besides that point this was a great video, keep it up.
The Deathly Hallows being in Hogwarts Legacy doesn't interrupt canon based on how theyre integrated. The entirety of the 3rd trial takes place in a trippy, illusionary world conjured through magic as a trick of the eye so as to engage in an altered world of the story of the Three Brothers & that, being altered to serve the purpose of being able to get through the trial. Something to compare to in an earlier game would be Batman's Tales in Wonderland part of the Mad Hatter DLC in Battank Forever. That said, the wielding of the Deathly Hallows is apart of said conjuration & therefore as the actual in universe ones werent held by our custom player character, the timeline remains in tack there.
I missed the little intro tune from your previous videos
Potential “loophole” for the elder wand, as used in many open ended/world games is often there is only one play though/line of quests etc etc which is classed as canon for that game. Could also be used to explain house choice, learning the dark arts etc etc
you dont even obtain the elder wand, the trial takes place in an enchanted book and is basically a simulation, not really 'canon' to the game
Why is child censored as "ch*ld" in the captions? O.o I've noticed some other normal words being censored on other videos, whilst kill/death/die not being censored in the same sentences
I consider it as canon, maybe with one exact character and one path storyline, and we, the players, just living in the parallel or multiverse of that :D
8:08 You don't actually use any of the deathly hallows. It is mearly a memory of them.
Even as someone who knew most of this info, I have to give props on a well structured and researched video