Ironically, it was Dave Hunt's videos on Calvinism that led me to become a Calvinist (it was predestined). I appreciate these response videos tremendously. Thank you.
@@Im_nobody777 Monergism states that the regeneration of an individual is the work of God through the Holy Spirit alone, as opposed to synergism, which, in its simplest form, argues that the human will cooperates with God's grace in order to be regenerated. The two cannot coexist as the existence of one would exclude the other, by definition.
@@ChristisLord2023 so what your saying is those outside of election have no chance of being saved? Also, you make statements but you don't explain how you came to these conclusion.
Discernment is a gift from God. It can be and usually is downloaded gradually over time. Those who misunderstand and reject the Calvinist grasp of the gospel may, in time, grow in discernment and have their faith strengthened by the true Biblical doctrines of grace.
In the video debate Dr. White had with D.Hunt, Hunt said one of the most asinine statements I have ever heard against reformed theology. He said that Calvinism will " bring people into heaven who don't really want to be there". Unbelievable!
You want to settle this for yourself once for all in your mind, read Scripture with prayer but also listen to those wiser than yourself. The Rapture Question by John Wolvoord is a very good book on the Rapture and goes through all views using Scripture for each of them. That book along with my personal studies has set pre-trib firmly as the Biblical doctrine that I ascribe to personally. Take care and God Bless all to know and love Him but not as Arianism believes nor as strict Calvinists believe. Only the LORD is sovereign and who can know His Mind. He can make some for mercy and some for wrath and not infringe on anyone's freewill. It's actually quite simple really: Imagine a door and on it's threshold is written, "Come unto Me". Now anyone can choose to enter or ignore it's call. Those who choose to enter however see this written above the threshold behind them, "Welcome I chose you before the creation of all things the very foundations before anything was I AM". God Bless and I pray everyone is one of the elect even though the LORD tells me that is not for me to decide...
That last caller. Such a great question. Would love to talk to that guy Pierre now and ask him what he believes about these texts. They’re very clear if you just read them that it’s not a capacity for man to choose God. It’s actually clear that God is the one taking actions upon sinners and saves them by his grace. There is no choosing to be a “chosen out one” just like there is no choosing to be “born again”. Just as you cannot choose to be born the first time of Adam.
The more I learn, I get the gnostic vibe from Calvinists. "You don't 'know' the scriptures. You don't 'know' reformed theology. You need to study deeply for a long time to really understand reformed theology. I guess it's no coincidence that Augustine was a gnostic himself, and brought it into the church.
@@tommycapps9903 1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father-Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrificea for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him: 6Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked. I love this passage. JESUS, our advocate who sacrificed Himself for even the sin brought up in verse one. Absolute assurance, especially when we realize God already promised this and this scripture, and many others, are simply reminders of His promise. 25I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances. So when I read in 1 John 2 verse 3 that I can know because I keep His commands that it is by His doing. These verses you brought up would more prove eternal security, but it may help. With this security, based on the work of God, I can logically conclude something. If God says that He does these things to save the sinner, how could such a powerful forgiveness be offered for someone who ends up in hell? Anyway, this passage surely doesn't state, or even insinuate, that someone will suffer for eternity for sins Christ died for.
2 Peter 3:16 *... in all his epistles...are some things, HARD to UNDERSTAND, which those who are UNTAUGHT and UNSTABLE, TWIST to their own destruction, as they do also with the rest of the SCRIPTURES* Well that is Dave Hunt for you Luke 24:27 *And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them in all the SCRIPTURES the things concerning Himself* Acts 8:30-35 *Philip ran to him and heard him reading the Prophet ISAIA, and said: "Do you understand what you are reading?" And he said: "How can I, unless someone guides me?" ...* I am really irritated when people say: Don't listen to him, just read your Bible On the other hand, you have to discerne who you are listening to.
A bible believer teacher doesn't have to be under a group of elders to understand scripture. One does not need to be a theologian to be able to teach the living word of God. A theologian, however, can become so wrapped up in the criticism of what he allegedly believes so that they seem to preach a dry and dead message leading people to wonder if they can ever trust God's word. Such is my opinion after listening to much of James White. Calvinism is a dead teaching named after a dead man who may not even have been saved for all we know.
Wait! You're twisting things up here. Dave Hunt is QUOTING the claims of calvinism and their denial of the free will here. It's not his own opinion. He's strongly against their teachings. Watch the whole sermon, it's called "What love is this".
@@fsdfmsbcxx , the whole point of this video was to show how Dave Hunt's understanding of Reformed theology was incorrect. What dishonest people like to do is portray Calvinism in the worst possible light. But thats not easy. So, what these so-called teachers do is describe Hyper-Calvinism, and call it Calvinism. Hyper-Calvinism is heretical. Dave Hunt was the first I have seen to make such ridiculous claims. Dave Hunt was told of his error by many people and did nothing to correct it. Dave Hunt was a dishonest person when confronted with the truth. Now it is commonplace for people such as Leighton Flowers, Mike Winger, Norman Geissler, ... etc to say the same nonsense that Dave Hunt Started many years ago. So, please don't come into my channel to emote, because you're frustrated by your own soteriology.
@Shaquille O'atmeal Hunt was making a "straw-man" argument. Dave Hunt falsely thought that Calvinists believe "man can't have a will". That's the point. He didn't know what he was talking about. Indeed, in Reformed theology man DOES have a will. Man's will is corrupted, bent toward all manner of sin, and is a follower of the wicked one, a spiritual child of the adversary (Satan). Go eat some oatmeal, add a little pure maple syrup to it, and read the chapter in both the Westminster and 1689 London Baptist Confessions (both of which are Reformed/Calvinist confessions) "Of Free Will," and you will see that Dave Hunt's assertion was indeed a straw-man (which is a logical fallacy in argumentation, of course). *Soli Deo Gloria*
Man’s will…is in bondage….only free to fulfill his sinful desires…it is not free… to rise above…its enmity…or…fleshly sinful desires to embrace Christ! The Bible is clear…”The natural man (unsaved man) receiveth not the things of the Spirit…neither…”CAN” ( Can is an action word which means it’s impossible) he know them!” 1 Cor. 2:14 Why? Because the things of the Spirit or God are foolishness to him! Only God…by the quickening power of the Spirit…can change the heart of man…freeing him up to receive… the grace and mercy and faith….necessary to believe! Psalm 110:3….”Thy people shall be willing in the day of “THY” power!” Gods people… by His power… will follow and serve Him! God is sovereign…His will and purposes will all be accomplished!
Dr White I am certainly no one to give u advice on how to teach. So I won’t. My comment is simply this: The man’s testimony (from Louisiana) of coming to the truth from scripture is very powerful to those who are saved but have been seeking how to glorify God by believing in election. He spoke about things the same way I have come to see them. I didn’t at first see how God could be glorified by me believing in election nor did I have a freedom and rest in my salvation until I realized this is God’s plan not mine. Men’s plans always fail. Thanks be to God I can’t mess this up. That’s man’s testimony would be a good tool.
why is it that when people point out the error in calvinism and expose it for the false gospel that it is calvinist always say you don't understand reformed theology instead of defending the faith they are defending the false gospel of calvinism
If you want to point the error, first you need to understand the position you are attacking first. It's not about Calvinism, it's about all the reformers and the proper understanding of the Gospel. Unfortunately, critics like Mr. Hunt can only straw man Calvinism because they never took the time to study the Reform.
Also, I watched the debate between White and Hunt that's referred in this video and Dave Hunt said himself he did not know the Reformer's writing so I'm not so sure why there's any shock that this response referred to this fact.
Notice how none of the Calvinists are saying “Dave Hunt preaches a false gospel” or “Dave Hunt isn’t a Christian.” Ever notice that odd consistency? We actually live what we preach. We don’t judge men’s hearts or say they are not elect. God alone has the sovereign right to do that. While we believe Mr. Hunt has massive contradictions in his theology and is sorely ignorant of Scripture, we call him a brother in Christ. Funny how the other side won’t allow people they disagree with who “freely chose to accept Christ” the same courtesy. If your theology doesn’t produce grace towards fellow believers…it’s time to examine what you believe.
Dave did preach a false gospel! And at the very same time attacking the very gospel he seemingly preached…”Roman Catholicism!” Which is total Arminianism with some sacraments and devotion to Mary throw in! I hope Dave made it to Heaven! But I wonder…as he hated the God of the Calvinist! Mr. Hunt was on very dangerous ground…so very stubborn and unteachable and unreachable!
Until you cease accepting the general human tendency to anthropomorphize God, you will never finish the debate to the satisfaction of the Molinist nor Arminian.
O James GOODNIGHT! Brother Hunt states exactly what you Calvinist believe then you claim he didn’t say what you guys believe. You do this same untruthful thing with Brother Flowers.
White’s personal disparaging of Dave Hunt and Dave’s character is downright unbiblical, ungodly, and full of pride. White, you are now publicly rebuked and should publicly apologize for your behavior that does not represent Christ. Fine for you to debate any issue but your personal attack of Dave Hunt, a very honest and patient man of God is reprehensible. Shame on you!
Why would anyone believe “Calvinism”? Calvinist, Lutherans and Roman Catholics killed anabaptist. Jesus wasn’t Calvinist, Lutheran, Catholic, baptist etc. I’m tired of people claiming others are wrong when they too are wrong. Sad. Dave Hunt is fine. He isn’t always right, but neither are you.
You have followers that will except what you say as the Gospel as well. Dave hunt understands Calvanist Theology as well as I do. Calvanist walk around with an upside down compass never arriving at the real destination. They are like a glass that is half full which represents half of the truth. They deny some Scriptures while applying Scriptures to themselves that wasn't even meant for them. Calvanist are like the wind as the wind always changes direction. Calvanist believe in men's compiled historical writings and not the Bible as it is written. I know this video is old but I hate lies with a passion and Calvinism as it stand is one of the biggest lies I've ever encounter. When Hell is cracked open Calvinism will be thrown into the Lake of Fire along with all the other man made doctrines and religions of the world. Lastly I would like to say if you want to know the truth ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth just as the Scriptures say not as these men say.
For the record, Dr. Hunt has never claimed to be Arminian. Regardless of the box that you are attempting to force him in. I also want to highlight the fact that James White attacks the truth behind Dave Hunts study, as if he has not studied. Dave Hunts study may not reflect the same conclusions, nevertheless, he came away with an understanding that doesn’t presuppose the reformed position.
And the ad hominem train keeps rolling. I don’t think an adult who is moved by another man’s choice of facial hair is even rational enough to make anything else but these types of banal comments. It’s embarrassing.
Two sides one truth. James says we are not justified by faith only. Ephesians says we are saved by Grace with no works. We have to have enough understanding on how to bring the two sides to fit. But somethings are beyond our understanding. Bible supports God does the work but He does admonish all men to repent and be saved. Maybe something in Greek clears this up. Dave makes some statements that confuse me if he knows scripture even as a novice.
It's not confusing. We are saved by faith only. However, genuine saving faith in Christ is only possible when we are born again. Now, a person who is transformed by God will produce fruit, eventually. This is the work that we need in order to be saved, i.e., it's the result of salvation and not the cause. However, somebody who says it's saved but does not demonstrate repentance over sins, improvements over his past life, and so on are fruitless and this false Christians.
James definitely believes in justification by faith alone, and has debated many Roman catholics defending that truth. He'd be flamed as a heretic if he denied Sola fide and rightly so
@HookOffTheJab He's joining many others in taking the biblical book of James in a way that makes James sound like he is teaching something at odds with Paul and then claiming mystery in an effort to undercut prooftexts he can't deal with.
There are many, if not all, who are chosen, yet who are also ignorant to whatever extent, as they grow and learn. Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul, is a good example. Calvinism IS God's word.
I don't know whether he was an honest man or not (he died in 2013, I believe). I didn't personally know him so I can't comment on his character. But I don't think that his exchange with James or his terrible book "What Love is This?" should be taken as dishonest. I simply think that, as with so many Arminian folks, he just didn't understand reformed theology. And therein lies the greatest problem with his attacks on the doctrine. He didn't understand it and yet he sought to counteract it. When you don't understand a particular position, you'll likely be attacking the wrong thing. The moral of the story is that all of us need to inform ourselves as to what exactly it is that we're disputing. Know what your opponent really believes, not what someone said about what someone else believes. In that way, you won't find yourself having to defend yourself against charges of being dishonest.
Apparently White is a universalist, because he thinks that if Christ died for everyone then all are saved. The complete gospel is not that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. The complete gospel includes the biblical contingency that based on that fact, if you believe you will be saved. Only if you believe. That's the gospel.
White reminds me of Mormons, JW's or Islam which all think they are the chosen ones. White makes his living being a self appointed expert. He says... "I want to have a 9 hour debate with Hunt" Really? That's unbalanced earthly thinking... He needs to get over himself. He is in my opinion a possible enemy of the gospel wanting to have an endless debate. 9 hours of debating is a waste of time. I believe somewhere in White's life/past someone important to him would not listen to him and give him praise and that is unfortunate and sad. So... now he hopes the rest around him will pay attention to him. Jim...pray to God in Jesus name and He promises you He will listen to you for more than 9 hours!
All you can come up with are personal attacks? Also, in the past, debates would happen in written form, which would take a very long time. Who are you to say how many hours a Bible scholar is limited to discuss a subject. You also demonstrates total ignorance about Calvinism. You are perhaps projecting. Differently from Mormons or JWs, reformed Christians do no claim in any way that only they are the elect, or that one hads to be a Calvinist to be an elect, or that human beings somehow can determine who is and who is not an elect. All the point is to give God His due Glory, which people seem to have difficulty to recognize and accept nowadays.
You willfully get on the internet to libel and slander a man who (whether you agree with his position or not) has dedicated his life to the study and preaching of God’s Word. God does actually see what you post on the internet. Repent. Dr. White has gone as far as saying that there will probably be “Catholics” who are in heaven because, even though they nominally identified with Rome, their hearts were truly changed by God. Is that him thinking “he’s the only chosen ones”? The man has multiple degrees in this area, is a professor of these subjects, and has defended God’s Word against the most ardent objectors. Is that “self-appointed” expertise? To say such a thing only proves that the dearth of expertise lays squarely at your feet. If he’s an “enemy of the Gospel”, then you would have to say the same about every translator of the KJV. Pastors in the 1600s were required to have taken part in debates sometimes lasting up to 3 days in order to be qualified for ministry. Then, you pretend to know about his personal life/past. What divine revelation gives you such an insight? If you’re truly a brother in Christ, repent for your error, delete your comment, and pray that God will have mercy and continue to sanctify your heart and mind.
Dr White makes no sense at all, whilst trying to convince listeners that Dr Hunt is not making sense. Dr White claims that he is Calvinist - not due to Calvin or Augustine or anyone else - but because the scriptures clearly teach that Calvinism is right. But he also said beforehand that David Hunt, as he himself admitted, is unaware and ignorant of the sophistication of The Reformed tradition and their particular set of beliefs, regarding scripture. What he is, in essence, saying is that the Gospel requires a high degree of intellectual understanding and scholarly appreciation of the Reformed position to be understood and appreciated, let alone followed. Or else he is saying that Calvinism and the Reformed position departs from the simple Gospel message by a process of disassociation. I think we know that God calls everyone to spread the good news. Therefore the Gospel is very easy to understand and, according to Calvinists, actually requires no understanding at all considering that God has predetermined all who will believe in the first place. Theology is meant to present the Gospel as it truly is and yet, by Dr White's own admission, Calvinism does nothing of the sort. Calvinism, I am rapidly appreciating, is more an art-form than an exercise in intellectual reasoning. It is designed to make atheism seem like biblicism and Christianity by the clever use of verbal gymastics to make a silk purse from a sow's ear in order to convince others that they have an understanding of the Gospel and sovereignty of God which they don't believe in and that they have a handle on God's favour that no-one else does or can appreciate by implying that those who aren't Calvinist aren't elect either. So they are veering into gnosticism too: let those who understand the Reformed position have ears to hear and eyes to see. Clearly Dr Hunt is not one of the elect. The problem is this: Individual Calvinists also don't know they are truly elect even if they believe there is an elect. Something pointed out by numerous anti-Calvinist commentators (some ex-Calvinist) because the ordus salutis - based on regeneration before faith - does not allow them to have assurance of their salvation. Something puritans grappled - some even committing suicide over (very strangely) as did famous Calvinist RC Sproul himself who admitted that he had no idea where he was going to end up after death. If that is good news, I should like to know what the bad news looks like.
Ironically, it was Dave Hunt's videos on Calvinism that led me to become a Calvinist (it was predestined). I appreciate these response videos tremendously. Thank you.
@@Im_nobody777not logical. If synergism exists monergism cannot.
@@ChristisLord2023 Explain in detail.
@@Im_nobody777 Monergism states that the regeneration of an individual is the work of God through the Holy Spirit alone, as opposed to synergism, which, in its simplest form, argues that the human will cooperates with God's grace in order to be regenerated.
The two cannot coexist as the existence of one would exclude the other, by definition.
@@ChristisLord2023 so what your saying is those outside of election have no chance of being saved? Also, you make statements but you don't explain how you came to these conclusion.
@@Im_nobody777 read Romans 8:28 thru the end of chapter 9. Read slowly making sure to understand the authors point.
Discernment is a gift from God. It can be and usually is downloaded gradually over time. Those who misunderstand and reject the Calvinist grasp of the gospel may, in time, grow in discernment and have their faith strengthened by the true Biblical doctrines of grace.
“Download”
Sounds like Gnosticism.
In fact, it’s specifically Manichean Gnosticism from Augustine.
I'm so blessed that He chose me first because as the years have worn on, I"know" my own heart and that I would "not" have chosen Him
In the video debate Dr. White had with D.Hunt, Hunt said one of the most asinine statements I have ever heard against reformed theology. He said that Calvinism will " bring people into heaven who don't really want to be there". Unbelievable!
God is sovereign in his grace, is he not.
that is a very asinine statement
You want to settle this for yourself once for all in your mind, read Scripture with prayer but also listen to those wiser than yourself.
The Rapture Question by John Wolvoord is a very good book on the Rapture and goes through all views using Scripture for each of them.
That book along with my personal studies has set pre-trib firmly as the Biblical doctrine that I ascribe to personally.
Take care and God Bless all to know and love Him but not as Arianism believes nor as strict Calvinists believe.
Only the LORD is sovereign and who can know His Mind. He can make some for mercy and some for wrath and not infringe on anyone's freewill.
It's actually quite simple really:
Imagine a door and on it's threshold is written, "Come unto Me".
Now anyone can choose to enter or ignore it's call.
Those who choose to enter however see this written above the threshold behind them, "Welcome I chose you before the creation of all things the very foundations before anything was I AM".
God Bless and I pray everyone is one of the elect even though the LORD tells me that is not for me to decide...
Thanks for the upload brother. Is it possible that you edit the original air date of each videos on the description?
I will take my theology unreformed as it was in the first century before the distortions of Augustin, Calvin, et al. Calvinism is heretical.
We are non protestant Bible believers also. ...just like the first Christians, as they were called during Paul's time.
That last caller. Such a great question. Would love to talk to that guy Pierre now and ask him what he believes about these texts. They’re very clear if you just read them that it’s not a capacity for man to choose God. It’s actually clear that God is the one taking actions upon sinners and saves them by his grace. There is no choosing to be a “chosen out one” just like there is no choosing to be “born again”. Just as you cannot choose to be born the first time of Adam.
The more I learn, I get the gnostic vibe from Calvinists. "You don't 'know' the scriptures. You don't 'know' reformed theology. You need to study deeply for a long time to really understand reformed theology. I guess it's no coincidence that Augustine was a gnostic himself, and brought it into the church.
Nah
Assuming that predestination is real how do you know that your chosen. What is the means by which your eternal destiny is secured?
James White is a lost soul.
Limited atonement is reprehensible! Double jeopardy is a man made belief and has nothing to do with criminal acts against God.
Are you suggesting that some will suffer for eternity for sins Christ died for?
-@@ChristisLord2023- that's what the BIBLE says! 1 John 2:1-3. All you have to do is read the BIBLE and stop listening to others who ignore it!!
@@tommycapps9903 1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father-Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrificea for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him: 6Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.
I love this passage. JESUS, our advocate who sacrificed Himself for even the sin brought up in verse one. Absolute assurance, especially when we realize God already promised this and this scripture, and many others, are simply reminders of His promise.
25I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.
So when I read in 1 John 2 verse 3 that I can know because I keep His commands that it is by His doing.
These verses you brought up would more prove eternal security, but it may help.
With this security, based on the work of God, I can logically conclude something. If God says that He does these things to save the sinner, how could such a powerful forgiveness be offered for someone who ends up in hell?
Anyway, this passage surely doesn't state, or even insinuate, that someone will suffer for eternity for sins Christ died for.
2 Peter 3:16 *... in all his epistles...are some things, HARD to UNDERSTAND, which those who are UNTAUGHT and UNSTABLE, TWIST to their own destruction, as they do also with the rest of the SCRIPTURES*
Well that is Dave Hunt for you
Luke 24:27 *And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them in all the SCRIPTURES the things concerning Himself*
Acts 8:30-35 *Philip ran to him and heard him reading the Prophet ISAIA, and said: "Do you understand what you are reading?" And he said: "How can I, unless someone guides me?" ...*
I am really irritated when people say: Don't listen to him, just read your Bible
On the other hand, you have to discerne who you are listening to.
Mr hunt is reminding me of the late Billy Graham who got off in the weeds later in life. Might just have to pray he retires
Dave Hunt passed away in 2013.
Maybe White should grow some horns on his head to show who he really is.
A bible believer teacher doesn't have to be under a group of elders to understand scripture. One does not need to be a theologian to be able to teach the living word of God.
A theologian, however, can become so wrapped up in the criticism of what he allegedly believes so that they seem to preach a dry and dead message leading people to wonder if they can ever trust God's word. Such is my opinion after listening to much of James White.
Calvinism is a dead teaching named after a dead man who may not even have been saved for all we know.
"Man can't have a will"--Dave Hunt.
Classic! And of course fallacious.
Wait! You're twisting things up here. Dave Hunt is QUOTING the claims of calvinism and their denial of the free will here. It's not his own opinion. He's strongly against their teachings. Watch the whole sermon, it's called "What love is this".
@@fsdfmsbcxx , the whole point of this video was to show how Dave Hunt's understanding of Reformed theology was incorrect. What dishonest people like to do is portray Calvinism in the worst possible light. But thats not easy. So, what these so-called teachers do is describe Hyper-Calvinism, and call it Calvinism. Hyper-Calvinism is heretical. Dave Hunt was the first I have seen to make such ridiculous claims. Dave Hunt was told of his error by many people and did nothing to correct it. Dave Hunt was a dishonest person when confronted with the truth. Now it is commonplace for people such as Leighton Flowers, Mike Winger, Norman Geissler, ... etc to say the same nonsense that Dave Hunt Started many years ago. So, please don't come into my channel to emote, because you're frustrated by your own soteriology.
@@fsdfmsbcxx , oh and by the way. Reread Ryan's post and what you believe you're responding to. You just made my point.
@Shaquille O'atmeal Hunt was making a "straw-man" argument. Dave Hunt falsely thought that Calvinists believe "man can't have a will". That's the point. He didn't know what he was talking about. Indeed, in Reformed theology man DOES have a will. Man's will is corrupted, bent toward all manner of sin, and is a follower of the wicked one, a spiritual child of the adversary (Satan).
Go eat some oatmeal, add a little pure maple syrup to it, and read the chapter in both the Westminster and 1689 London Baptist Confessions (both of which are Reformed/Calvinist confessions) "Of Free Will," and you will see that Dave Hunt's assertion was indeed a straw-man (which is a logical fallacy in argumentation, of course).
*Soli Deo Gloria*
Man’s will…is in bondage….only free to fulfill his sinful desires…it is not free… to rise above…its enmity…or…fleshly sinful desires to embrace Christ! The Bible is clear…”The natural man (unsaved man) receiveth not the things of the Spirit…neither…”CAN” ( Can is an action word which means it’s impossible) he know them!” 1 Cor. 2:14 Why? Because the things of the Spirit or God are foolishness to him! Only God…by the quickening power of the Spirit…can change the heart of man…freeing him up to receive… the grace and mercy and faith….necessary to believe! Psalm 110:3….”Thy people shall be willing in the day of “THY” power!” Gods people… by His power… will follow and serve Him! God is sovereign…His will and purposes will all be accomplished!
Dr White I am certainly no one to give u advice on how to teach. So I won’t. My comment is simply this: The man’s testimony (from Louisiana) of coming to the truth from scripture is very powerful to those who are saved but have been seeking how to glorify God by believing in election. He spoke about things the same way I have come to see them. I didn’t at first see how God could be glorified by me believing in election nor did I have a freedom and rest in my salvation until I realized this is God’s plan not mine. Men’s plans always fail. Thanks be to God I can’t mess this up.
That’s man’s testimony would be a good tool.
That guy was a great caller!
why is it that when people point out the error in calvinism and expose it for the false gospel that it is calvinist always say you don't understand reformed theology instead of defending the faith they are defending the false gospel of calvinism
If you want to point the error, first you need to understand the position you are attacking first.
It's not about Calvinism, it's about all the reformers and the proper understanding of the Gospel.
Unfortunately, critics like Mr. Hunt can only straw man Calvinism because they never took the time to study the Reform.
Also, I watched the debate between White and Hunt that's referred in this video and Dave Hunt said himself he did not know the Reformer's writing so I'm not so sure why there's any shock that this response referred to this fact.
@@Luiz__Silva calvinism is an attack on the gospel of Christ the reformers gave their lives for the true gospel
Notice how none of the Calvinists are saying “Dave Hunt preaches a false gospel” or “Dave Hunt isn’t a Christian.” Ever notice that odd consistency?
We actually live what we preach. We don’t judge men’s hearts or say they are not elect. God alone has the sovereign right to do that. While we believe Mr. Hunt has massive contradictions in his theology and is sorely ignorant of Scripture, we call him a brother in Christ. Funny how the other side won’t allow people they disagree with who “freely chose to accept Christ” the same courtesy. If your theology doesn’t produce grace towards fellow believers…it’s time to examine what you believe.
Dave did preach a false gospel! And at the very same time attacking the very gospel he seemingly preached…”Roman Catholicism!” Which is total Arminianism with some sacraments and devotion to Mary throw in! I hope Dave made it to Heaven! But I wonder…as he hated the God of the Calvinist! Mr. Hunt was on very dangerous ground…so very stubborn and unteachable and unreachable!
Until you cease accepting the general human tendency to anthropomorphize God, you will never finish the debate to the satisfaction of the Molinist nor Arminian.
O James GOODNIGHT! Brother Hunt states exactly what you Calvinist believe then you claim he didn’t say what you guys believe. You do this same untruthful thing with Brother Flowers.
Don't you think it is a little poor to make these statements when he is not available to rebut?
White’s personal disparaging of Dave Hunt and Dave’s character is downright unbiblical, ungodly, and full of pride. White, you are now publicly rebuked and should publicly apologize for your behavior that does not represent Christ. Fine for you to debate any issue but your personal attack of Dave Hunt, a very honest and patient man of God is reprehensible. Shame on you!
Why would anyone believe “Calvinism”? Calvinist, Lutherans and Roman Catholics killed anabaptist.
Jesus wasn’t Calvinist, Lutheran, Catholic, baptist etc.
I’m tired of people claiming others are wrong when they too are wrong. Sad.
Dave Hunt is fine. He isn’t always right, but neither are you.
James you didn’t have any exegesis in your 1st discussion with Brother Dave Hunt. All “Reformers” were not gnostic Calvinist!
White didn’t come off well against Hunt and he doesn’t in this response either.
White is not nearly as clever as he thinks he is. His condescension toward theological opponents is ugly.
You have followers that will except what you say as the Gospel as well. Dave hunt understands Calvanist Theology as well as I do. Calvanist walk around with an upside down compass never arriving at the real destination. They are like a glass that is half full which represents half of the truth. They deny some Scriptures while applying Scriptures to themselves that wasn't even meant for them. Calvanist are like the wind as the wind always changes direction. Calvanist believe in men's compiled historical writings and not the Bible as it is written. I know this video is old but I hate lies with a passion and Calvinism as it stand is one of the biggest lies I've ever encounter. When Hell is cracked open Calvinism will be thrown into the Lake of Fire along with all the other man made doctrines and religions of the world. Lastly I would like to say if you want to know the truth ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth just as the Scriptures say not as these men say.
For the record, Dr. Hunt has never claimed to be Arminian. Regardless of the box that you are attempting to force him in.
I also want to highlight the fact that James White attacks the truth behind Dave Hunts study, as if he has not studied. Dave Hunts study may not reflect the same conclusions, nevertheless, he came away with an understanding that doesn’t presuppose the reformed position.
I can’t take anyone with an overgrown soul patch seriously 😒
And the ad hominem train keeps rolling.
I don’t think an adult who is moved by another man’s choice of facial hair is even rational enough to make anything else but these types of banal comments. It’s embarrassing.
@@tylerbuckner3750 Oh you sound smart! So smart that you can’t understand it was a joke. Look that up in the dictionary 😂
Lol
Two sides one truth. James says we are not justified by faith only. Ephesians says we are saved by Grace with no works. We have to have enough understanding on how to bring the two sides to fit. But somethings are beyond our understanding. Bible supports God does the work but He does admonish all men to repent and be saved. Maybe something in Greek clears this up.
Dave makes some statements that confuse me if he knows scripture even as a novice.
It's not confusing. We are saved by faith only. However, genuine saving faith in Christ is only possible when we are born again. Now, a person who is transformed by God will produce fruit, eventually. This is the work that we need in order to be saved, i.e., it's the result of salvation and not the cause.
However, somebody who says it's saved but does not demonstrate repentance over sins, improvements over his past life, and so on are fruitless and this false Christians.
James definitely believes in justification by faith alone, and has debated many Roman catholics defending that truth. He'd be flamed as a heretic if he denied Sola fide and rightly so
@HookOffTheJab He's joining many others in taking the biblical book of James in a way that makes James sound like he is teaching something at odds with Paul and then claiming mystery in an effort to undercut prooftexts he can't deal with.
So Dave was ignorant but you are chosen? I'll take "God's Word'' on all subjects...using common sense.
There are many, if not all, who are chosen, yet who are also ignorant to whatever extent, as they grow and learn. Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul, is a good example. Calvinism IS God's word.
Dave Hunt isn't an honest man.
I don't know whether he was an honest man or not (he died in 2013, I believe). I didn't personally know him so I can't comment on his character. But I don't think that his exchange with James or his terrible book "What Love is This?" should be taken as dishonest. I simply think that, as with so many Arminian folks, he just didn't understand reformed theology. And therein lies the greatest problem with his attacks on the doctrine. He didn't understand it and yet he sought to counteract it. When you don't understand a particular position, you'll likely be attacking the wrong thing. The moral of the story is that all of us need to inform ourselves as to what exactly it is that we're disputing. Know what your opponent really believes, not what someone said about what someone else believes. In that way, you won't find yourself having to defend yourself against charges of being dishonest.
@@miket9738 Calvinism is a false doctrine
Nikki Johnson explain John 6:44 to me then?
@@nikkijohnson9640 Just in the neighborhood for a little bit of trolling?
@@jasonheersink3123 So you believe babies that die without being chosen burn for eternity?
Man being a moral agent and God being “sovereign” are not mutually exclusive, James… you can’t be this blind.
Apparently White is a universalist, because he thinks that if Christ died for everyone then all are saved. The complete gospel is not that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. The complete gospel includes the biblical contingency that based on that fact, if you believe you will be saved. Only if you believe. That's the gospel.
White reminds me of Mormons, JW's or Islam which all think they are the chosen ones. White makes his living being a self appointed expert. He says...
"I want to have a 9 hour debate with Hunt" Really?
That's unbalanced earthly thinking...
He needs to get over himself.
He is in my opinion a possible enemy of the gospel wanting to have an endless debate. 9 hours of debating is a waste of time.
I believe somewhere in White's life/past someone important to him
would not listen to him and give him praise and that is unfortunate and sad. So...
now he hopes the rest around
him will pay attention to him.
Jim...pray to God in Jesus name and He promises you He will listen to you for more than 9 hours!
All you can come up with are personal attacks?
Also, in the past, debates would happen in written form, which would take a very long time.
Who are you to say how many hours a Bible scholar is limited to discuss a subject.
You also demonstrates total ignorance about Calvinism. You are perhaps projecting. Differently from Mormons or JWs, reformed Christians do no claim in any way that only they are the elect, or that one hads to be a Calvinist to be an elect, or that human beings somehow can determine who is and who is not an elect.
All the point is to give God His due Glory, which people seem to have difficulty to recognize and accept nowadays.
You willfully get on the internet to libel and slander a man who (whether you agree with his position or not) has dedicated his life to the study and preaching of God’s Word. God does actually see what you post on the internet. Repent.
Dr. White has gone as far as saying that there will probably be “Catholics” who are in heaven because, even though they nominally identified with Rome, their hearts were truly changed by God. Is that him thinking “he’s the only chosen ones”?
The man has multiple degrees in this area, is a professor of these subjects, and has defended God’s Word against the most ardent objectors. Is that “self-appointed” expertise? To say such a thing only proves that the dearth of expertise lays squarely at your feet.
If he’s an “enemy of the Gospel”, then you would have to say the same about every translator of the KJV. Pastors in the 1600s were required to have taken part in debates sometimes lasting up to 3 days in order to be qualified for ministry.
Then, you pretend to know about his personal life/past. What divine revelation gives you such an insight?
If you’re truly a brother in Christ, repent for your error, delete your comment, and pray that God will have mercy and continue to sanctify your heart and mind.
Dr White makes no sense at all, whilst trying to convince listeners that Dr Hunt is not making sense.
Dr White claims that he is Calvinist - not due to Calvin or Augustine or anyone else - but because the scriptures clearly teach that Calvinism is right. But he also said beforehand that David Hunt, as he himself admitted, is unaware and ignorant of the sophistication of The Reformed tradition and their particular set of beliefs, regarding scripture.
What he is, in essence, saying is that the Gospel requires a high degree of intellectual understanding and scholarly appreciation of the Reformed position to be understood and appreciated, let alone followed. Or else he is saying that Calvinism and the Reformed position departs from the simple Gospel message by a process of disassociation.
I think we know that God calls everyone to spread the good news. Therefore the Gospel is very easy to understand and, according to Calvinists, actually requires no understanding at all considering that God has predetermined all who will believe in the first place. Theology is meant to present the Gospel as it truly is and yet, by Dr White's own admission, Calvinism does nothing of the sort.
Calvinism, I am rapidly appreciating, is more an art-form than an exercise in intellectual reasoning. It is designed to make atheism seem like biblicism and Christianity by the clever use of verbal gymastics to make a silk purse from a sow's ear in order to convince others that they have an understanding of the Gospel and sovereignty of God which they don't believe in and that they have a handle on God's favour that no-one else does or can appreciate by implying that those who aren't Calvinist aren't elect either. So they are veering into gnosticism too: let those who understand the Reformed position have ears to hear and eyes to see. Clearly Dr Hunt is not one of the elect.
The problem is this: Individual Calvinists also don't know they are truly elect even if they believe there is an elect. Something pointed out by numerous anti-Calvinist commentators (some ex-Calvinist) because the ordus salutis - based on regeneration before faith - does not allow them to have assurance of their salvation. Something puritans grappled - some even committing suicide over (very strangely) as did famous Calvinist RC Sproul himself who admitted that he had no idea where he was going to end up after death.
If that is good news, I should like to know what the bad news looks like.