I have one of these.. on my ebike and with Cush core and 37 PSI I have the rim out of round. I wasn’t as impressed with the wheel. I have had to have it trued 5 times so far and I have the strongest spokes in it as well. I am 240 and ride downhill very fast. So with out a tire I am sure I could destroy the rim in no time as I already have with a DH casing and Cush core and 37 PSI!
@@nathanshipman4900doesn’t necessarily mean the rim is at fault. Could very well be the wheel builder. And no offense but no products are built around your stature. Typically built for the average joe. Like 6 foot 180 pounds for the most part. No need to overbuild smtn for
Why have you even thought that? Carbon is stiffer, but not stronger given the type of impacts a rim takes. That stiffness might give a false impression of strength. IMO carbon rims are the biggest marketing success in biking to sell riders extremely expensive stuff they don't need. Next are carbon cranks.
@@dit4963 yield strength of carbon fiber is much higher. I don't know why you would think carbon isn't stronger. Carbon is also stronger on impacts too, as aluminum yields and bends/dents. Aluminum isn't stronger just because aluminum bends and carbon cracks
@@conman1395 Carbon fiber is not stronger on sharp impacts (plenty of sources for this). And not even extremely sharp. Look at Bernard Kerr's crash at Hardline in slow motion, the rim exploded even before the suspension bottomed out. Such impacts are business as usual for alu rims at the Fest Series or Rampage. And a bent or dented alu rim still works perfectly fine as long as it still holds air. My rear rim keeps adding dents and works perfectly fine. That is strength, defined as: still being able to fulfill its function. Meanwhile carbon fails catastrophically.
@Dan P that would be fascinating to see! Also, how would you re-tension the spokes - what will be the readings on the tensometer for, say, 5mm total runout
@Dan P, Ya I figured it was almost done, I just thought it would have been a great outro, fitting a tire on, filling it up and riding off. Still super impressive.
Them FR rims from DT can't be killed. Been riding a set of FR 1950s and have done everything from square edge hits with low pressures to big cases. Never had to true 'em. My body will break before those things. 😂
Can you do a "scientific" test comparing FR541 resistance to pinch flats?? Using various different tire casings etc? Comparing to other DT rims (560, EX511, etc.). Thanks
would be cool to see the same video with the fr541 rim but laced with berd spokes. That would prevent spoke bending and spoke pull through and basically eliminate spoke and nipple related issues.
I've had a set of ex471's since 2019, they've survived quite a lot of cases and hard drops. They're a little beat up, but straight as an arrow, and hold pressure even without sealant no problem. Dt Swiss seems to be a guarantee.
I’ve had a good wheel get more out of true on a decent set of Ibis aluminum rims which are pretty stiff. And they also were plenty true to still ride around no problem.
This is hilarious! LOL Thanks for the laughs while I'm stuck here at work! That said, I have one buddy who I think COULD kill that wheel. I'm going to send this to Davis now. 😆
Okay now I am convinced, one last wheel built and even better...I can get rid of these tire inserts. Even with the weight penalty of this rim, one Cushcore less saves me more than that
Cush Core saved rims from slamming rim into stairs but did not save my rim from 1m drop into steel plate wall. But not tried without in a long time, but the insert reuses the volume in the tyre, allowing lower pressure yet have support
It started to fail at 3:22 but you fixed it, lossen spokes is indeed part of the vibration effect on the rims. I have seen same test but did not retighten spokes.
fun seeing all these bham places on youtube! loved the vid The gopro really doesn't show how steep some of the hills are on the ebike follow cam either haha
Now I would like the same treatment for a WTB HTZ i35 rim. Sure it's heavier (718g at 27.5"), but 5mm wider and WTB claims that "HTZ is the most bombproof rim you can buy for your e-bike".
I like the DHF on the back too, rolls fast and slides nicely into corners. If you want absolut grip then go for an assegai and a DHR is in between. Wtb schwalbe continental michelin all make great tires. Depends on what casing and trail conditions
ruclips.net/video/61BAyA3ozmo/видео.html I'd say this is a pretty close approximation to that. 1m to concrete, and jump to a sharp, steel edge. I suspect doing it on a hardtail brings the total force subjected to the rims close to (or above, although I'm not going to do the math) what a 240lb rider would do on a full suspension bike. - Dan at Fanatik
Can you try this with Newman rims next please as seen these DT Swiss being put together on a machine in the German Cube factory last year! Yes I know their claimed to all be hand built but some know different! The ones that come on your new bike certainly are not! There being build along side the newman sl 30 wheel sets which I run and have never had an issue with there so stong!
To bad it's not in 26". These in 26" would (theoretically) be only 70 grams heavier than the rims I'm running on my street trials bike, and the ones I have right now are stiff, but they are soft and easy to dent. Wish I could get a set of these! I mean, DT Swiss builds custom 24" Street trials rims for Canyon, so why not just offer an existing rim in 26"? You'd get street riders, (dirt jumpers, too) and people with old 26" bikes buying your rims.
Yeah, I'm planning on building a custom NS Decade Dirt Jump bike next year, and these rims would be absolutely perfect for that purpose. Not insanely heavy, while keeping it's stiffness and resistance. It would be my first choice. Sadly it's not coming in 26"
I have one of these.. on my ebike and with Cush core and 37 PSI I have the rim out of round. I wasn’t as impressed with the wheel. I have had to have it trued 5 times so far and I have the strongest spokes in it as well. I am 240 and ride downhill very fast. So with out a tire I am sure I could destroy the rim in no time as I already have with a DH casing and Cush core and 37 PSI!
Honestly the regular DT Swiss 350 would probably be bombproof. The lower engagement one. www.fanatikbike.com/products/dt-swiss-350-mtb-12x148mm-32h-rear-hub Unfortunately we're out of these rims until February, but you can play around with building the wheelset here: www.fanatikbike.com/products/wheel-builder - Dan at Fanatik
I have flat spotted and dented my fr541 in two spots after only 3 days of bike park at 26psi with cushcore. It’s un usable at this point and don’t understand how I managed to destroy it while you guys have done nothing to it with no tire or cushcore.
after seeing this video I can't see a reason why people would still spend a thousand dollars for a carbon rim this looks like it will outlast me lol, and it costs less than a hundred euros wtf
This looks very promising. But I am curious how it would do landing on a steel plate wall. I flatspotted a Hope Enduro 29 rim that way even with Cush Core, but I knew it would not be a miracle protection. Probably had top little pressure or tape gave out or had a puncture. But I increased the pressures to avoid it happening in the future. But I think the new Dt Swiss Fr 541 will be my next rims. I tried the brass nipples from Dt but they seem to round off and wear faster than Sapim those on the Hope wheels were great had them for years minimal wear. But DT Swiss did round off a bit after some truing. One did even during first install but was at the part inside the rim. But I know there are different types of brass. But so far Sapim nipples ar emy fav. The Dt spokes seem to do good still, but nipples could be better I guess. But so far only had them for few months. But the alloy nipples were usless, corroded and cracked. So went to brass. So my dream wheel would be Sapim nipples and spokes, Fr541 rims, now I know they are very robust, not sure on hubs yet. Currently habe 350 hubs with 54t ratchet. But want even higher engagement. Concidering Onyx, I9, Project 331.
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Put that wheel in the MTB hall of Fame. It's earned it.
I have one of these.. on my ebike and with Cush core and 37 PSI I have the rim out of round. I wasn’t as impressed with the wheel. I have had to have it trued 5 times so far and I have the strongest spokes in it as well. I am 240 and ride downhill very fast. So with out a tire I am sure I could destroy the rim in no time as I already have with a DH casing and Cush core and 37 PSI!
@@nathanshipman4900doesn’t necessarily mean the rim is at fault. Could very well be the wheel builder. And no offense but no products are built around your stature. Typically built for the average joe. Like 6 foot 180 pounds for the most part. No need to overbuild smtn for
Hands down, this is the most entertaining and amazing product video yet..... I'm now considering a FR 541 wheelset 😁
If only they where available anywhere
I now aspire to be the rider who this wheel is made for.
as a MTBer on the bigger side, I truly thought that carbon would be the only rims i would even ride again. but these are truly impressive!
What carbon rims do you ride?
If you're heavy, what you need is more spokes. The rim itself really isn't meant to give you strength.
Why have you even thought that? Carbon is stiffer, but not stronger given the type of impacts a rim takes. That stiffness might give a false impression of strength.
IMO carbon rims are the biggest marketing success in biking to sell riders extremely expensive stuff they don't need. Next are carbon cranks.
@@dit4963 yield strength of carbon fiber is much higher. I don't know why you would think carbon isn't stronger. Carbon is also stronger on impacts too, as aluminum yields and bends/dents. Aluminum isn't stronger just because aluminum bends and carbon cracks
@@conman1395 Carbon fiber is not stronger on sharp impacts (plenty of sources for this). And not even extremely sharp. Look at Bernard Kerr's crash at Hardline in slow motion, the rim exploded even before the suspension bottomed out. Such impacts are business as usual for alu rims at the Fest Series or Rampage. And a bent or dented alu rim still works perfectly fine as long as it still holds air. My rear rim keeps adding dents and works perfectly fine. That is strength, defined as: still being able to fulfill its function. Meanwhile carbon fails catastrophically.
The best marketing campaign I've ever seen for a bike product
Props to Logan and his ankles! 😬. You guys have sold me on these being my next wheel set.
Agreed, great job you guys, glad no one got hurt in the making of this video. Now, can you please check if you can still get a tire on that monster!!
@Dan P that would be fascinating to see! Also, how would you re-tension the spokes - what will be the readings on the tensometer for, say, 5mm total runout
@Dan P, Ya I figured it was almost done, I just thought it would have been a great outro, fitting a tire on, filling it up and riding off. Still super impressive.
Fanatik videos are just lighting it up. Very enjoyable. Thank you.
Thanks for the praise! Glad you're diggin em.
- Dan and Logan and the rest.
Them FR rims from DT can't be killed. Been riding a set of FR 1950s and have done everything from square edge hits with low pressures to big cases. Never had to true 'em. My body will break before those things. 😂
I cant wait for you all to have them in stock. After your last video i placed my first order with you all. Great content!
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
- Dan at Fanatik
Can you do a "scientific" test comparing FR541 resistance to pinch flats?? Using various different tire casings etc? Comparing to other DT rims (560, EX511, etc.). Thanks
Well, I am sold. I bought a set of WTB rims a year ago and have had three replacement rears already. I need this in my life.
woooo! got my comment on the suggestion board! man it's the little things in life that I love the most.
Hahahah thanks for chiming in!
- Dan at Fanatik
would be cool to see the same video with the fr541 rim but laced with berd spokes. That would prevent spoke bending and spoke pull through and basically eliminate spoke and nipple related issues.
+1 @fanatik
Incredible torture testing! Indestructable! Wow!
I've had a set of ex471's since 2019, they've survived quite a lot of cases and hard drops. They're a little beat up, but straight as an arrow, and hold pressure even without sealant no problem. Dt Swiss seems to be a guarantee.
I’ve had a good wheel get more out of true on a decent set of Ibis aluminum rims which are pretty stiff. And they also were plenty true to still ride around no problem.
This is hilarious! LOL Thanks for the laughs while I'm stuck here at work! That said, I have one buddy who I think COULD kill that wheel. I'm going to send this to Davis now. 😆
I just ordered the 541 wheel with purple one up hubs for my enduro!
Okay now I am convinced, one last wheel built and even better...I can get rid of these tire inserts. Even with the weight penalty of this rim, one Cushcore less saves me more than that
Cush Core saved rims from slamming rim into stairs but did not save my rim from 1m drop into steel plate wall.
But not tried without in a long time, but the insert reuses the volume in the tyre, allowing lower pressure yet have support
You guys must be so cool to work with!
I sure hope so! Thanks for watching!
- Dan at Fanatik
Damn, DTSWISS for life!
Brilliant video and wheel! Hardtails yay!
It started to fail at 3:22 but you fixed it, lossen spokes is indeed part of the vibration effect on the rims. I have seen same test but did not retighten spokes.
Have it Brand New on my specialized demo. Will test and enjoy this year 💪😎
So basically if you put a DH casing tire and an insert on that rim it will never give up on you, or break, ever?
i have managed to dent the old fr560 on my enduro bike. I was running tyre inserts + gravity casing tyres. idk how
tell us how much do you weigh?
Dented my fr 541 rim with a tyre inserts and dh casing. 6'2 200lbs.
It's going on my enduro bike on Saturday, just got a set built up with hope Pro 4s
That's a wheel win for DT Swiss!
😉
if the wheel is still standing by the end of all this you need to try put a tire on it and see if it still works properly
fun seeing all these bham places on youtube! loved the vid
The gopro really doesn't show how steep some of the hills are on the ebike follow cam either haha
4:35 that's my favorite roundabout. I *always* do at least 1 extra lap. Bicycle or car.
Maybe I'll catch ya there sometime and we can do a couple loops.
- Dan at Fanatik
this is legit the best advertisement for a product ever
Now I would like the same treatment for a WTB HTZ i35 rim. Sure it's heavier (718g at 27.5"), but 5mm wider and WTB claims that "HTZ is the most bombproof rim you can buy for your e-bike".
- What is the best rear tyre combo for DHF? - FR541
Dhr 2 or disector
I like the DHF on the back too, rolls fast and slides nicely into corners. If you want absolut grip then go for an assegai and a DHR is in between. Wtb schwalbe continental michelin all make great tires. Depends on what casing and trail conditions
What rolls faster than DHR2? FR541 and no DHR2 :)
You don’t need a rear tire for this rim. Just run it raw 😂
I love stair gaps but I hardly ever do them because I have these bontrager rims that dented after one gap with 32 psi
Now you can try the same with other wheels like Mavic, will be great to see that
Probably too short
This is SO RAD! fun videos and great info
I should really getting into mountain biking. I live like 5 minutes away from Highland Park, NH.
Do it! It's the best!
The true mullet
@Logan Nelson fr
Love my FR560 if i ever need ti I’ll upgrade to these.
Do what the GMBN boys did to the spank 359 wheels. Bunny hop rear rim onto a square edge with a 240lb rider.
And steel plate wall from 1 m drop. That can flatspot some rims.
ruclips.net/video/61BAyA3ozmo/видео.html I'd say this is a pretty close approximation to that. 1m to concrete, and jump to a sharp, steel edge. I suspect doing it on a hardtail brings the total force subjected to the rims close to (or above, although I'm not going to do the math) what a 240lb rider would do on a full suspension bike.
- Dan at Fanatik
Sounds like it became the Nokia 3310 of MTB parts lol
I wanted this wheel but it sold out quick then you made these videos so I'm thinking there never gonna be in stock 😂
Back in stock ~February!
All time great vid
you pretty much cold forged the flanges lol
As a dude who cracked a carbon rim just this weekend - ok I'm in.
Awesome :)
Can you try this with Newman rims next please as seen these DT Swiss being put together on a machine in the German Cube factory last year! Yes I know their claimed to all be hand built but some know different! The ones that come on your new bike certainly are not! There being build along side the newman sl 30 wheel sets which I run and have never had an issue with there so stong!
now thats what i need
nice video, ordered a pair of these on hope Pro 5 hubs before seeing this video, looks like i made the right choice for my Turbo Levo :-)
i have managed to dent the old fr560 on my enduro bike. I was running tyre inserts + gravity casing tyres. idk how
To bad it's not in 26". These in 26" would (theoretically) be only 70 grams heavier than the rims I'm running on my street trials bike, and the ones I have right now are stiff, but they are soft and easy to dent. Wish I could get a set of these! I mean, DT Swiss builds custom 24" Street trials rims for Canyon, so why not just offer an existing rim in 26"? You'd get street riders, (dirt jumpers, too) and people with old 26" bikes buying your rims.
Yeah, I'm planning on building a custom NS Decade Dirt Jump bike next year, and these rims would be absolutely perfect for that purpose. Not insanely heavy, while keeping it's stiffness and resistance. It would be my first choice. Sadly it's not coming in 26"
Check these. It's the rim Aaron Gwinn got that winning run on just the bare rim.
www.fanatikbike.com/products/dt-swiss-ex-471-26
This has gone through some serious material engineering
It blew us away with how well it held up. Ridiculous.
Thanks for watching!
- Dan at Fanatik
Pretty sure Brage Vestavik rides these rims, now we know why
I sure hope he does, the stuff he's doing! Friggin animal!!
Cheers,
Dan at Fanatik
He rides the FR 1950 wheel set, I can't find out if it's the same rim or different
Cement masons hate him for this one simple trick!
Random question, but do you have a video on that bike to bike trailer that you used in the video?
Hey guys, do you mind if I ask what the song is at the outro because its amazing
Sick wheels
Carbon would've died on this one.
Time to put it on a wall of fame.
DT Swiss should pay you for this video . They couldnt do a better ad for their product .
Yep, im buying those😂
Unfortunately gotta wait till February :/
- Dan at Fanatik
I killed it in 2 weeks jump to flat and huge dent with 40 psi in my tires
Can you do same test with spank wheel ?
I have one of these.. on my ebike and with Cush core and 37 PSI I have the rim out of round. I wasn’t as impressed with the wheel. I have had to have it trued 5 times so far and I have the strongest spokes in it as well. I am 240 and ride downhill very fast. So with out a tire I am sure I could destroy the rim in no time as I already have with a DH casing and Cush core and 37 PSI!
Off topic , but where did you get the bike trailer? or did you make it?
what is the name of the music 13.20 !?
otherwise great video ! ❤️
can you compare this rim with chromag BA30?
10:03 highlight
Good gravy, it’s the Toyota Hilux of rims!
Hahahah, it is indeed!
- Dan at Fanatik
😮 amazing
Looks like a solid choice for my Turbo Levo? What is a hub you would recommend pairing this wheel with for an ebike @fanatik ?
Honestly the regular DT Swiss 350 would probably be bombproof. The lower engagement one.
www.fanatikbike.com/products/dt-swiss-350-mtb-12x148mm-32h-rear-hub
Unfortunately we're out of these rims until February, but you can play around with building the wheelset here:
www.fanatikbike.com/products/wheel-builder
- Dan at Fanatik
Try it with no tyre on a steep rock garden please, not in streets hahah curious
red bull hardline on just the rim
That is amazing, imagine have tier on you could never break
That's our thought! Kinda ridiculous.
- Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo is that best rim ever ? And how much it cost?
i just wanna know more about this bike trailer!
Gutted there’s no 26 option I need these rims I’ve managed to kill a ex471 and 2 fr560 rims lol
i have destroyed many wheels. I'm sure I can kill it, would it fit on a gravel bike ?
It would have to be a gravel bike that accepted very wide tires.
- Dan P.
If DT Swiss made planes there would be no plane crashes, only rough landings.
Hahahaha, get em on it!
Thanks for watching!
- Dan at Fanatik
That would be fun to drift.
How much does it cost
www.fanatikbike.com/products/dt-swiss-fr-541-29-rim
I wanna do loops!
Finally! Thank you!
- Dan at Fanatik
swiss poweeeeer
That wheel better be mounted in the shop
I think the DT Swiss folks have it now :)
k ill buy one
stop
Take My MONEY NOW!
I have flat spotted and dented my fr541 in two spots after only 3 days of bike park at 26psi with cushcore. It’s un usable at this point and don’t understand how I managed to destroy it while you guys have done nothing to it with no tire or cushcore.
I don't get it. We've seen a few where that happened. It really doesn't make sense.
- Dan P.
watch Dany Mac and Sam pilgrim rim test and try there test to see how strong that rim is 🙂
Im 345lbs and just bought a surly krampus , guess what wheelset ima throw
On it 😂
Soooo Logan is a rim tester, and part time filmer for Jeff kendelweed ?
Logan must have a RUclips channel! How do I find that?
I haven't formally given the RUclips thing a try. Considering it now though...
@@LoganNelson if it is interesting to you and makes you happy I bet a lot of people would enjoy it. I'd for sure give you a subscribe!
This video got me thinking the rim is made out of captain americas shield metal
funworks trackmack also a killer (and cheap)
i have managed to snap it on my 6th ride on it with a cushcore. I still recon carbon is alot better
you should get up some speed and then skid sidways in to a curb to attempt to destroy it
Next rim target locked on
Where can i buy that rim? 😲😄
Once we have them in stock (February), right here:
www.fanatikbike.com/products/dt-swiss-fr-541-29-rim
Send it to Bernard Kerr 🤣
Thoughts of his Reynolds wheel grenading after that jump. Oof!
Halo vs fr541??
Bro why you not going full speed up stairs
after seeing this video I can't see a reason why people would still spend a thousand dollars for a carbon rim
this looks like it will outlast me lol, and it costs less than a hundred euros wtf
This looks very promising. But I am curious how it would do landing on a steel plate wall. I flatspotted a Hope Enduro 29 rim that way even with Cush Core, but I knew it would not be a miracle protection. Probably had top little pressure or tape gave out or had a puncture. But I increased the pressures to avoid it happening in the future. But I think the new Dt Swiss Fr 541 will be my next rims.
I tried the brass nipples from Dt but they seem to round off and wear faster than Sapim those on the Hope wheels were great had them for years minimal wear. But DT Swiss did round off a bit after some truing. One did even during first install but was at the part inside the rim. But I know there are different types of brass. But so far Sapim nipples ar emy fav. The Dt spokes seem to do good still, but nipples could be better I guess. But so far only had them for few months. But the alloy nipples were usless, corroded and cracked. So went to brass. So my dream wheel would be Sapim nipples and spokes, Fr541 rims, now I know they are very robust, not sure on hubs yet. Currently habe 350 hubs with 54t ratchet. But want even higher engagement. Concidering Onyx, I9, Project 331.
ruclips.net/video/61BAyA3ozmo/видео.html
Boom! Steep plate wall. No tire. Hardtail. Ask and you shall receive!
- Dan at Fanatik