With any mild plinking load (not screaming hot), in all my guns so far, the non-gas checked bullet will out group the gas checked from the same mold, batch, alloy, etc. For a while I would always do the load development with checks and when the best load for accuracy was found load up a group without checks to compare against. The non-checks shot as well or better and without the added work. Also, I did learn that there are different width checks for most calibers to accommodate powder coat or not. I believe it was Sage's Reloading that had a wide selection to choose from. Thanks for another great video!
I have heard that before, and have pretty good luck without using GCs for the most part. It's just another thing to test and see if we can push it any faster. Maybe they help in the AR? Idk, we'll see when we get there. Going to mostly use them unchecked if I can get away with it. Thanks for watching!
Just getting into shooting mild cast bullet loads in bottleneck cartridges, and it is a lot of fun. Was a bit disappointed in my first batch of testing with 154 grain Lymans in 6.5x55 and IMR 4198 and H322. Groups are running around 4” at 100 yards. I think I’m going to try large pistol magnum primers for the next go round.
It's definitely more of a challenge to get the cast rounds to shoot how you like. I've found that they fly much better on the slower end than near a top charge. Also, slower burning powders seem to help by not hitting their peak pressure so fast, but rather a gradual push down the barrel. It could simply be a matter of what diameter they were sized to compared to your barrel. Are you powder coated or old school lube? Good luck!
@@DummyRound My Lyman sizing die is marked.266,” but results are.2655.” Maybe I’ll try the RCBS version as they generally give the advertised diameter. Rifle is a modern CZ, so bore shouldn’t be an issue. I use traditional lube with gas checks. My charge of IMR 4198 is mild at 1690 fps, so I can definitely bump that up a bit. The H322 load is 1920 fps and gave very similar results to the 4198 load. I bought a pound of Accurate 2015 to try once my range opens back up on 3/1.
Never used gas checks before, cast my own a lot and powder coat them. Only use tight group for Cowboy loads so I'm not sure if I should even be commenting !! "Have a Good One" :-))
That was my first attempt at applying the GCs, didn't work so well 🤣 I have some new ones cast up I'm thing to GC before PCing and compare them. Comment all you want. Thanks 👍🇺🇸
It is a very nice range and I'm usually the only one there for some reason. GCs are applied with several different methods, but I do it while the bullet is getting sized. More to come, thanks!
Brother DR check out NOEs gas check seating unit it’s worth it all gas checks 22 on up seat perfectly and he sells a gas check expander too. Good video though I always enjoy a DR video
Case would have lots of empty space in it with only 8gr of powder right? Would that make it more dangerous or inconsistent? Can you add filler material to the charge?
It has potential to be dangerous, and definitely inconsistent. You could add filler. I was just seeing what was possible with the fastest burning powder I have on hand. It will not come anywhere close to cycling an AR, these were just for a bolt gun and some fun. If you want reduced loads, powders like Tite Group or Trail Boss will be better suited for that purpose.
Is your sizing die a Lee or Lyman for setting the gas checks , I use the rcbs lube sizer it pushes on the top of the bullet forcing the bullet into the gas check for my 308 win
DR do you have videos/recipes for semi auto on this projectile. Need a good base staring point. Can we use the same powder we have for fMj? Example cfe223.
I plan on using them in the AR when we get to those types of powders. CFE223 is definitely doable. I'd probably start at 15 or so grains and slowly work up in 0.5gr increments until you have function and lock back. From there, you can fine tune the powder charge up or down a few tenths at a time, as well as play with crimp and what little bit of seating depth you can play with to find some kind of accuracy. Thanks!
With any mild plinking load (not screaming hot), in all my guns so far, the non-gas checked bullet will out group the gas checked from the same mold, batch, alloy, etc. For a while I would always do the load development with checks and when the best load for accuracy was found load up a group without checks to compare against. The non-checks shot as well or better and without the added work. Also, I did learn that there are different width checks for most calibers to accommodate powder coat or not. I believe it was Sage's Reloading that had a wide selection to choose from. Thanks for another great video!
I have heard that before, and have pretty good luck without using GCs for the most part. It's just another thing to test and see if we can push it any faster. Maybe they help in the AR? Idk, we'll see when we get there. Going to mostly use them unchecked if I can get away with it. Thanks for watching!
Interesting test. Looking forward to part 2.
Thanks👍🇺🇸
Just getting into shooting mild cast bullet loads in bottleneck cartridges, and it is a lot of fun. Was a bit disappointed in my first batch of testing with 154 grain Lymans in 6.5x55 and IMR 4198 and H322. Groups are running around 4” at 100 yards. I think I’m going to try large pistol magnum primers for the next go round.
It's definitely more of a challenge to get the cast rounds to shoot how you like. I've found that they fly much better on the slower end than near a top charge. Also, slower burning powders seem to help by not hitting their peak pressure so fast, but rather a gradual push down the barrel. It could simply be a matter of what diameter they were sized to compared to your barrel. Are you powder coated or old school lube? Good luck!
@@DummyRound My Lyman sizing die is marked.266,” but results are.2655.” Maybe I’ll try the RCBS version as they generally give the advertised diameter. Rifle is a modern CZ, so bore shouldn’t be an issue. I use traditional lube with gas checks.
My charge of IMR 4198 is mild at 1690 fps, so I can definitely bump that up a bit. The H322 load is 1920 fps and gave very similar results to the 4198 load. I bought a pound of Accurate 2015 to try once my range opens back up on 3/1.
Never used gas checks before, cast my own a lot and powder coat them.
Only use tight group for Cowboy loads so I'm not sure if I should even be commenting !!
"Have a Good One" :-))
That was my first attempt at applying the GCs, didn't work so well 🤣 I have some new ones cast up I'm thing to GC before PCing and compare them. Comment all you want. Thanks 👍🇺🇸
@@DummyRound I want to see that video. Didn't know about the gas check after powder coat !
I'll make sure to show you guys 👊
That riflerange is very nice and quiet. Interesting because I was wondering how gas checks are put on the bullets. Looking forward to Pt2.
It is a very nice range and I'm usually the only one there for some reason. GCs are applied with several different methods, but I do it while the bullet is getting sized. More to come, thanks!
Great testing 😮
Thank you!
Good stuff . I like that you tested them with and without gas checks . Did you water quench these ?
They were quenched. I have some more cast up that I am going to GC before PCing this time. Then we can test GC vs no GC once I find a decent powder.
@@DummyRound The gc and no gc load needs to each be worked up to for a fair comparison . I've done these tests but would like to see your results .
We will see when we get there!
I used to belong to that range!
I used to. I still do, but I used to, too😆🇺🇲👍
Brother DR check out NOEs gas check seating unit it’s worth it all gas checks 22 on up seat perfectly and he sells a gas check expander too. Good video though I always enjoy a DR video
I need a bunch of stuff from NOE 😂 Thanks!👍🇺🇸
Interesting never considered using titewad
I'm just starting fastest burning and working my way down the list with what I have that might be suitable.
@@DummyRound You might want to try non position sensitive powders like Unique and 2400 . It does make a difference with partially filled cases .
They're on the list to try!
What was your alloy mix on these ? Great video, like that color !👍💯🔥
It was just linotype by itself and quenched. Thanks🇺🇸👍
cool now you know
Yessir!
Case would have lots of empty space in it with only 8gr of powder right? Would that make it more dangerous or inconsistent? Can you add filler material to the charge?
It has potential to be dangerous, and definitely inconsistent. You could add filler. I was just seeing what was possible with the fastest burning powder I have on hand. It will not come anywhere close to cycling an AR, these were just for a bolt gun and some fun. If you want reduced loads, powders like Tite Group or Trail Boss will be better suited for that purpose.
Is your sizing die a Lee or Lyman for setting the gas checks , I use the rcbs lube sizer it pushes on the top of the bullet forcing the bullet into the gas check for my 308 win
It is a Lee sizing die. Going to try GC before adding the PC on some freshly cast boolits. Thanks 👍🇺🇸
DR do you have videos/recipes for semi auto on this projectile. Need a good base staring point. Can we use the same powder we have for fMj? Example cfe223.
I plan on using them in the AR when we get to those types of powders. CFE223 is definitely doable. I'd probably start at 15 or so grains and slowly work up in 0.5gr increments until you have function and lock back. From there, you can fine tune the powder charge up or down a few tenths at a time, as well as play with crimp and what little bit of seating depth you can play with to find some kind of accuracy. Thanks!
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