I cant believe that they eventually ditched this sound. I really like their synth tones here. Most good new wave bands from the era dont sound this good.
It's a shame they didn't do more, but I think Al made the right decision by switching to a harder industrial sound and incorporating guitars. Had he not done that, With Sympathy would be about all there is to Ministry as this sound was passe even by the time it came out. Instead Ministry became industrial metal gods for a decade. Of course then came the drugs and the silly politics and even then no-one cared as ling as the tunes were good. But look at him now. Antifa was about when I tuned out. Oh well, we'll always have these old tracks.
@@vragmoj2754 I agree with what you said, but With Sympathy already had guitars on it. Aside from the personnel breakdown you can find, where Al is credited with guitar, you can see him playing one in some of the live videos from around that era that are floating around online. Like this Work For Love video: Ij1GeZGxhds
I would kill to see modern Ministry playing one of their shows and then just break into this awesome tune! This tune rocks and it definitely holds up today! The audience would eat it up!
Saw them in St Louis back in the 90s in a small underground venue for $15. It was so loud everything in your pants shook. And that was all the way back in the WC.
I love the sound of this song done live. Its a lot better than the disco sounding studio version. I wish Al would release some of these early 1980s shows. A lot of the material they played then never saw the light of day in a studio recording, and its a shame.
While Ministry obviously does not want to go back this type of sound again, and they're as great as ever, it's a pleasure to experience it all over again anyway.
Yeah. The music nowadays sucks totally. I wish I were born twenty years earlier. But at least I'm able to enjoy the old good music, because these master pieces have been saved for the younger generation. All things in the 2000's sucks, whether it be music, fashion or anything.
I can definitely Sense this stuff from ministry being the forefront for their metal stuff even after listening to victims of a clown and I can compare how even to their metal days they still keep to their reverb delay style and synth stuff kinda :) and also I can definitely hear some distortions in this ❤❤❤❤❤ also their keyboardist from victims of a clown rocks :)
and why should the band not have changed, but remained the same, in the ten years before the emergence around '92 of the mature Ministry? This demonstrates that they (Al J. and rotating members) were serious artists, not kowtowers. The trajectory of this band from inception to today is very impressive.
I agree!! Premorphed " I Wanted To Tell Her" sounds awesome 30+ yrs later....but then my kids just say " Dad you are stuck in the 80's musically"...oh well... : )
wow Uncle Al looked so beautiful then didn't he? no tattoos or piercings then. that's how many of us looked with the big hair and the black and the clove cigarettes.
Yes I've said it on numerous occasions what a Good Looking guy he was back then. Long before his use of Heroine Destroyed his Looks and he got into many facial Piercings.
I suspect Al doesn't want to acknowledge this era because then he'd have to talk to the sort of pretentious douchebags who comment on his earlier material. "OMG this music from [era when you first got laid] is so much better than music from [era where your arthritis is giving you gyp], why can't I go back to that time?" The answer is, of course, a.) time doesn't flow that way, and b.) you're remembering it with a rose-tinted brain.
He was angry that the record company (Arista) was trying to remold him into something he wasn't. Read his autobiography, which came out around 2012-2013.
I love how people think Al has disowned this album when he's always been upfront with his real reason he didn't like the album. He is redoing these songs on his tour next year.
I had With Sympathy in High School. I think evolving on as a musician and trying different things is essential to anyone's growth as a artist.I think neo-anything is neo laziness.Yes some people have rediscovered some of this music and that's fine and all but cmon people quit being so lazy get creative.
@@carlhorowitz9958 you're probably not gonna agree with this, but the anti-Bush seemed very lazy to me. I have no problems with politics in music. There are groups that I may not completely agree with politically (I wouldn't exactly affiliate myself with either of the Big Two at this point in my life, as both are equally corrupt), but it seemed like a "well people are complaining about Bush 2.0 a lot. Let's do that." Musically, a lot of the tracks were disposable and borderline interchangeable. That's not saying all of the songs from the anti-Bush trilogy are boring to me. World might be one of my favorite post-Barker tracks that was released.
It may be a result of a Cuban American pretending to be English. You do realize he may feel resentment (towards others or himself) due to pretending to be something he is not.
Ok I listened this this song and am looping it over and over, I can't seem to find an album for it or anything it doesn't come up on any track listings. Any help? Do they have more music that sounds like this ?
So... this is the very first version of primental? What about the version of the 12" Cold Life? I mean, this one is much better, but any information I´ve found about is for the one in the Cold Life LP. Thanks for uploading it!
I cant believe that they eventually ditched this sound. I really like their synth tones here. Most good new wave bands from the era dont sound this good.
It's a shame they didn't do more, but I think Al made the right decision by switching to a harder industrial sound and incorporating guitars. Had he not done that, With Sympathy would be about all there is to Ministry as this sound was passe even by the time it came out. Instead Ministry became industrial metal gods for a decade. Of course then came the drugs and the silly politics and even then no-one cared as ling as the tunes were good. But look at him now. Antifa was about when I tuned out. Oh well, we'll always have these old tracks.
@@vragmoj2754 I agree with what you said, but With Sympathy already had guitars on it. Aside from the personnel breakdown you can find, where Al is credited with guitar, you can see him playing one in some of the live videos from around that era that are floating around online. Like this Work For Love video: Ij1GeZGxhds
You can hear how this evolved into 'I Wanted to Tell Her'. Great shit! Been listening to With Sympathy for a week now. 👍
Was just thinking the same
Main riff sounds more like Theives and Liars to me.
@@BradThePitts ruclips.net/video/XxKEy8ReeNw/видео.htmlsi=DovN9KTWn_WksaaV
Hey guys, I changed my mind, lets be a metal band instead.
Joe Meacham i think being exposed to the music industry opened al's eyes to the sinister truth in the world today
Garl Gamp and drugs, don't forget drugs.
HE DID ALL THE DRUGS
Al did it for more drug money.
hey guys.. a decade passed and i'm interested in different shit.
I would kill to see modern Ministry playing one of their shows and then just break into this awesome tune! This tune rocks and it definitely holds up today! The audience would eat it up!
I read your comment singing like it was the I Wanted To Tell Her lyrics
Saw them in St Louis back in the 90s in a small underground venue for $15. It was so loud everything in your pants shook. And that was all the way back in the WC.
after a smoke....this simply blew me away, come back....come back
This is amazing. Back to your roots Ministry!
I love the sound of this song done live. Its a lot better than the disco sounding studio version. I wish Al would release some of these early 1980s shows. A lot of the material they played then never saw the light of day in a studio recording, and its a shame.
This is in the box set on clear vinyl.
While Ministry obviously does not want to go back this type of sound again, and they're as great as ever, it's a pleasure to experience it all over again anyway.
Far beyond anything Depeche Mode was doing at the time.
Yes, but it's very different from this one. Personally, I think that this version is by far better. It has a retrofuturistic sound, which I love hehe
This is basically I Wanted to Tell Her, which came a couple of years later on With Sympathy. Awesome!!!
God I love this non mainstream 80's greatness!!!!!!!!!
Yeah. The music nowadays sucks totally. I wish I were born twenty years earlier. But at least I'm able to enjoy the old good music, because these master pieces have been saved for the younger generation. All things in the 2000's sucks, whether it be music, fashion or anything.
there's good music out today, check out bandcamp
Al should play an early ministry show before he dies. People would go crazy for it.
I can definitely Sense this stuff from ministry being the forefront for their metal stuff even after listening to victims of a clown and I can compare how even to their metal days they still keep to their reverb delay style and synth stuff kinda :) and also I can definitely hear some distortions in this ❤❤❤❤❤ also their keyboardist from victims of a clown rocks :)
this later became I Wanted To Tell Her
Was listening to this for the first time and was like "wait a minute..."
@@thomaskenneally219 i started to sing it hahaha
Absolutely awesome song. Listened to this like five times in a row. Love the synths. Didn't even know that Ministry has done something this good.
is it just me ,or is this ," I wanted to tell her"?
kind of eh I kept wanting to sing the chorus along to it
its is the same just a bunch added on top and parts missing so yes and no
Exactly. This I think evolved into what became I wanted to tell her
Kraftwerk did much the same thing. A few of their songs have the same beats and or melodies.
here you hear it much better: ruclips.net/video/OKqGxPcfo4Y/видео.html
At first look of this picture, seems like if were Echo and the bunnymen
Roomy Lan - Every hip post-punker had Ian Macallough's or Peter Murphy's (and, Daniel Ash's) haircut, back them.
I agree Al looks a bit like Ian McCulloch.
i think that's what arista wanted them to look like
Lol, for sure
Ministry . .. .ALL these songs are perfect and Al was SOOOOO good looking
and why should the band not have changed, but remained the same, in the ten years before the emergence around '92 of the mature Ministry? This demonstrates that they (Al J. and rotating members) were serious artists, not kowtowers. The trajectory of this band from inception to today is very impressive.
This is so alive and raw. God please give me a damn time machine Now! Amen
I have heard similar from mid 2000s trance songs. Al is always ahead of his time.
I like this version better than the studio recording, lol, seems more raw and off the cuff
Wow, it sounds brilliant. How on earth this tune never made it into a movie soundtrack? Something like "Into The Night"?
I agree!! Premorphed " I Wanted To Tell Her" sounds awesome 30+ yrs later....but then my kids just say " Dad you are stuck in the 80's musically"...oh well... : )
cant over how rad this track sounds
Al was wrong in criticizing early Ministry’s sound. It’s what got Me to be a lifelong fan
Strangly sounds a little progressive rockish like Yes. XD
wow Uncle Al looked so beautiful then didn't he? no tattoos or piercings then. that's how many of us looked with the big hair and the black and the clove cigarettes.
Yes I've said it on numerous occasions what a Good Looking guy he was back then. Long before his use of Heroine Destroyed his Looks and he got into many facial Piercings.
.....Can we send a massive amount of emails to the studio that is making Hotline Miami 2 to make sure this is included on the soundtrack?
Al has done so many drugs they use his blood as anti-dope for near overdose patients.
LOVE THAT GUY NO MATTER WHAT
It sounds like a pre-version of "I wanted to tell her".
I suspect Al doesn't want to acknowledge this era because then he'd have to talk to the sort of pretentious douchebags who comment on his earlier material.
"OMG this music from [era when you first got laid] is so much better than music from [era where your arthritis is giving you gyp], why can't I go back to that time?"
The answer is, of course, a.) time doesn't flow that way, and b.) you're remembering it with a rose-tinted brain.
Time is an illusion; an artificial construct.
Wow, fucking ruled already, even before the killer female vocals trown on "I wanted to tell her"!
Definitely one of my favourite bands from all time!
Yes I have listened to that album. ^^
Raw but refined. Still the $h¡t after all this time.
I LOOOOOVE THIS. ITS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!!!!!!
This track is in the trax box i just picked up..its on clear vinyl.
Just own it and don't be apologetic already Al
Al is a very talented gifted bright musician performer genius long live al Jorgensen
Is this just the 12 Inch Singles version played at twice the speed?
No it's live ... Chicago 82
3 days after Gordon Smiley died in a horrific racing accident, 182 miles away in Indianapolis.
God this song is so good! True true true Industrial down to the roots!
The main riff sounds like "Thieves and Liars". Wonder why. 😂
This blows IWtTH out of the water. Sounds more like meth than cocaine.
I Wanted To Tell Her meets the theme song from CHiPs. ;)
Finally scrolled down far enough to see this observation that I agree with, years after its original post. 👍
honestly this must be the pinnacle of this band, such synth experimental genious
+err Ware it's interesting reading the Wikipedia entry on this phase of the band.
err Ware HEH HERH HA HA HA OH HELL
Lol
Back when Ministry was actually good.
Ministry was always fantastic. Best band of its type. Yes, I know about Killing Joke, KMFDM, Static-X, etc. But Ministry is still king, baby.
I still own that jacket that Vince is wearing, baby blue weave with white piping, Ok officially feeling nostagic
I 💯% Preferred their Earliest Stuff 1979.. - -81
Shame it's better than practically every album since Psalm 69.
Anybody know what happened to keyboardist John Davis? I worked with him after he left the band.
Unfortunately JD passed away in Florida around 2005 from heart failure.
Need more unreleased early Ministry FTW!
So epic
To see or hear this live must have been off the hook. This is so jamming it's not even funny. "I wanted to tell her... this song is much betterrrrrr!"
Is this sped up?
The version I’m used to is like 1/3rd this speed
Sounds a lot like I wanted to tell her but a lot faster love this version as well
I wish he had made more like it, more fun to listen to.
I agree man. I have recently been jamming that album. Very underrated and very good!
Psychedelic Electro Ministry, now thats a head fook if there ever was
I love how Al tries to pretend this period in his music career didn´t exist
He was angry that the record company (Arista) was trying to remold him into something he wasn't. Read his autobiography, which came out around 2012-2013.
I love how people think Al has disowned this album when he's always been upfront with his real reason he didn't like the album. He is redoing these songs on his tour next year.
Na minha opinião o Minitry já foi bom, quando era New Wave.
i love this
I had With Sympathy in High School. I think evolving on as a musician and trying different things is essential to anyone's growth as a artist.I think neo-anything is neo laziness.Yes some people have rediscovered some of this music and that's fine and all but cmon people quit being so lazy get creative.
Cuando Al Jourgensen tocaba cosas buenas...
so be really proud of it the industrial goth scene is.....
ie que hagan mas en el futuro ! llevatello thanks!
It all went downhill from Animositisomina with generic heavy guitar music.
Relapse and From Beer to Eternity were masterpieces. And the anti-Bush triology had great stuff on it ("No W," "The Dick Song," etc.).
@@carlhorowitz9958 you're probably not gonna agree with this, but the anti-Bush seemed very lazy to me. I have no problems with politics in music. There are groups that I may not completely agree with politically (I wouldn't exactly affiliate myself with either of the Big Two at this point in my life, as both are equally corrupt), but it seemed like a "well people are complaining about Bush 2.0 a lot. Let's do that." Musically, a lot of the tracks were disposable and borderline interchangeable. That's not saying all of the songs from the anti-Bush trilogy are boring to me. World might be one of my favorite post-Barker tracks that was released.
80's in its core sound. Like it :>
Early stuff and Twitch!
What album is this version on? I have the singles LP but the studio version is a lot slower
Live Chicago 82
@akira82 i checked and is true, but i like this version more.
what release is this version on? the version on the 7" I have is much slower and not as busy
I listen a drug man? 🤣🤣🤣I like Ministry, I like Skinny Puppy, And Manson
Who else is pictured besides Al
Just great, wow.
this is aweswome! great post
Damn zoomer music ;)
This is basically I Wanted To Tell Her from With Sympathy
this could be their best effort all time....is that eli roth sitting on the ground?
It may be a result of a Cuban American pretending to be English. You do realize he may feel resentment (towards others or himself) due to pretending to be something he is not.
I wanted to tell her❤❤❤
I wanted to tell her....
I wanted To Tell Her But I Stuck to my lies.
i know who is the 1 person that disliked it (look at like bar). Al Jourgensen !!! He hates pre-industrial stuff he made, as like @corn1971 said.
This sounds like "I wanted to tell her" check ...With Sympathy
Ok I listened this this song and am looping it over and over, I can't seem to find an album for it or anything it doesn't come up on any track listings. Any help? Do they have more music that sounds like this ?
I always thought that Ministry sucks, but then I heard this one!
Exactly lol
There's nothing about Ministry or its offshoots (1000 Homo DJs, Revolting Cocks, Pailhead, etc.) that sucks. They are fantastic band.
remember you got bad taste!
Interesting seeing Vince Ely, drummer for the Psychedelic Furs, in this photo. I know he co-produced With Sympathy....
So... this is the very first version of primental? What about the version of the 12" Cold Life? I mean, this one is much better, but any information I´ve found about is for the one in the Cold Life LP. Thanks for uploading it!
Lots of elements of I Wanted to tell Her, especially 2:20
I prefer this over there newet material
Incredible version! Grrrreat!
Yeah they were young then gosh i miss those days!!
Esse Ministry da antiga é Classe A também
verry goood ssshit
Love It !!!
this isn't the right song title, is it?
this is original? it's by far better than I wanted to tell her...
This sounds like an early demo for "I wanted to tell her" with no vocals...
That's because it is.
Fresh for 40+ year's
OK, knock me down with a feather if that's not Ian McCulloch...