00:07 - Sodapoppin discusses strategies to counter Tyler1 in PvP. 01:52 - Strategies for countering fear and maximizing damage in PvP. 05:37 - Strategies discussed for PvP dueling between Warriors. 07:32 - Discussion on the unfairness of PvP duel rules against Tyler1. 12:20 - Sodapoppin discusses strategies and limitations for dueling Tyler1. 14:29 - Sodapoppin discusses strategies for PvP duels against Tyler1. 19:36 - IR Rob and Zik strategize for a competitive duel against Tyler1. 21:40 - Sodapoppin strategizes a private duel against Tyler1, emphasizing secrecy and location. 26:05 - Sodapoppin strategizes a PvP duel against Tyler1. 28:14 - Sodapoppin strategizes PvP tactics against Tyler1 amidst chaotic gameplay.
STANCE DANCE 😂😂😂 macro dance dumbass /battle stance /rank 1 charge. So trash bro it’s a char with more macros all warrior is. Stance dance cracks me up how they wanna act like it’s hard.😂
Two handed fury is better than arms in a strict warrior VS warrior matchup. If health pots are banned, then the reduced healing from MS is useless and Deathwish will remove the possibility of him fearing you in battle stance to bandage himself; not to mention it's 20% more damage for nearly the whole fight. You can also take improved Demo shout to reduce his damage further and improved intercept which will give you more stun windows when his is still on CD. Arms spec could give you more crit if you use axes, but remember when you crit you will proc his enrage. Warrior vs warrior is super RNG, because you can charge, hamstring crit for 100 dmg and proc his enrage for free which griefs you super hard. That being said, at least if you crit in fury spec, you will have flurry advantage. 100% win chance vs Tyler is the following: Opener - Wear a shield and sword, charge in or walk into melee. Get up a hamstring and wait for him to disarm you with your shield on (He always disarms super early). Then Demo shout him/shield block and wait out the disarm. After the disarm ends, you pop deathwish so you can't get feared, go D-stance and disarm him, then you pop recklessness and bloodthirst him. The duel should end pretty quickly when he's disarmed and you have deathwish/reck up. He will be helpless.
Yeah I wasnt sure if they were spec'img Arms for this, bc I agree Arms is way to RNG 1v1. 2h weap swings take foreverr when you have almost no rage: if one miss and you literally arent doing dmg and not gaining rage for like 6 secs (assuming weapon swing is 2.5~3.0secs per). Even in pvp I always felt more comfortable in Fury since I mostly raided and didnt pvp much til arena in BC. I think its mostly bc of intercept. Not being able rush in and stun in combat is kinda lame, and changing stances wastes a ton of rage, even when spec'd into the talent that lessens it, and Biotox gave him good advice about it mostly being about using your rage efficiently.
My man is overthinking this haha. He just starts close. Tyler will move in and jump out get the initial charge move through him and constantly head behind him and wait for his keyboard turns.
as someone who has played both league and wow for years (including original vanilla and classic vanilla), there is no equivalent scenario you can make in league of legends that would match the level of rng as classic warrior v warrior. any scenario soda could think of in league tyler1 would turbo outspace him and win every time
I mean Warrior vs Warrior with 1 pot across 5 duels, no professions, no different talents, no different gear, no trinkets, no consumables makes it insanely RNG. It's like doing a 1v1 Trynd duel in League with no sums, same Runes (1 person gets MR instead of Armor rune), no bushes, same skill lvl 1, no minions, no turrets, no items. Like Soda can maybe slightly outplay with movement but Tauren racials/stats are definitely better for the duel and it's warrior vs warrior so 98% of the duel is just standing still and smacking each other until one person dies.
1. I think Soda is way overthinking this. 2. You can still influence it even if it is RNG to make it go in your favor - example T1 clicks so you can obviously be faster then him in most situations. 3. People are making this appear to be THE event of the year, but i think its gonna be pretty meh. The hype is fun,but the duel itself will be pretty meh i believe. 4. Im not a betting man, but there is no way Soda loses (the only ways being screwd over by RNG really) so thats where my money would be.
Not having clicked 'play,' my only recommendation is gear equivalence. T1 has geared up to maximum pre-raid BiS, whereas Soda is only (thusfar) in fresh level gear. Gear being made standardised between the two for purposes of a game-skill duel, Soda would win 99 times of 100 due to experience.
i feel like the only thing u can do to get a big advantage in warr vs warr is to fear when the other warr is going for the disarm, and i would probably go for a Intercept+Recklesness combo in the 2nd duel instead of trying to use Retal, catch him offguard with big diq dmg
@@silver2zilverI honestly dont think disarm is that terrible bc you would prob gain more rage punching for a few secs lol. If T1 is a clicker, then he prob cant keep you close with hamstring before youre far enough away to intercept. By then, disarm is over with.
Who would think Soda would be talking strats about how to beat Tyler1 pvp one month ago. Anyway, your content is amazing, thanks for an amazing job Soda and everyone
As many bs rules as tyler put out, I would force a no racial abilities so he doesn't get to warstomp you anytime you get close to him. He has a pritty solid advantage with that ability alone. Also overthinking it and screwing over your apm is a factor soda needs to consider. Soda also needs to make sure to be mentally prepared for the fight with no social bs having an interference with this Mak’Gora.
Love Tyler. If he is gonna insist on a duel though to keep his position when it was agreed before he was only temporary, he should allow you some of your game knowledge to win and not lock you into using only the exact same shit lmao.
@@dabillya6845 Not when Tyler forced the duel when he'd initially agreed being GM would be temporary lmao. If he insists on a duel having to happen and goes back on his word for it, Soda should be allowed concession. It's kind of insane to demand that leadership be determined by a duel where no greater experience with the game can be used, when Tyler innately has a racial advantage that's actually really significant because Soda wasn't making his troll knowing he'd have to duel lmao. Tyler demands a duel. He should not act like a badass by stipulating it has to be made fair by denying his opponent any of the tools commonly used in duels lmao. Soda isn't even playing his main class it's a class he doesn't usually fuck with because he's a druid main lmao. A duel for leadership should be about who is better at the game. Lmao Tyler actively not letting you use the rest of the game because he doesn't know it is self admission that he's not better at the game.
@@dabillya6845 I mean the rules he's chosen make the duel basically just an RNG fight though. Which is probably more interesting and give Tyler1 a way better chance but it basically takes all skill expression out of it.
I disagree with both warriors having to use the same spec. Part of being a Warrior is knowing your builds and how to counter other builds against different classes.
That's exactly what Tyler has built out the rule set to accomplish. He doesn't want soda to be able to use his literal decades of knowledge to out-theory craft him or out play him using the full tech of professions, pots, FA, terrain/Los, etc. By reducing it to rng, he gives himself the best chance and soda can't tell him "no" without Tyler and all his chat calling him a coward or something.
@@tyler1988 I think just the fact that Tyler doesn't swap to shield ever is going to be the deciding factor even if everything else is equal. He's going to learn just how important it is to use your shield.
@@Murdog_YT theyre gonna have same weps and gear, not sure if soda is allowed to sword and board but if he is able to your thoughts is probably the best ive heard so far
@@iDoSongRequests Weapon swap is part of the Warrior toolkit. You're taking away the build, you can't take away the swap. That's like telling a Warlock to not use his healthstone or telling a Mage to not use a mana gem.
@@Murdog_YT what I meant by if he can't is because I don't know the full rules of the duel so I'm not sure if hes allowed is what I meant but I totally agree with you, its T1s rules and I don't think he has fully stated the rules
Stop playing into this duel with the false warchief. "battle" for leadership is by definition a Mak'gora! Challenge him to a Mak'gora, T1 will never agree to anything that could cost him his char, thus he will have to forfeit.
this is an RNG duel if you trade hits 1 for 1. Otherwise this is about 25% rng related and the rest is tactics. Also. MS is not the play in warr v warr
Lol them both acting like they havent planned this all out outside of the game is funny...They wont ruin all of their cash cow guild for a duel...they know what will happen
You can reply after the fact and laugh at me, but i'm pretty sure Soda for all his doubts gonna dumpster T1 in this duel. W v W is and RNG fest for sure, but it can be influenced by the players still. Funnily T1 would have had much more of a chance in a singular match rather then BO3. It's a great content either way.
Not exactly. If you have LiP you can answer the reck with your own LiP and bandage through it or just shield wall all the damage, and then after both his CDs are down, you can LiP to prevent kiting/disarm and pump all your damage.
Granted both disarm and fear on both warriors being on CD, I think you answer retal with shield wall *if you're unable to kite it* because he's likely to dump all his rage into the shield wall and be unable to generate a substantial amount due to hitting like a wet noodle
17:19 this is very difficult to answer because obviously both racials work with different builds. Berserking increases attack speed, which can be useful on a 2h sword build or fury. Tauren has war stomp and increased health, which is also good for 2h sword build, but less good on fury. It's a complicated question to answer because Warriors generally build around their racials too. Like obviously you wouldn't go mace spec against an Orc, but I don't know if Tauren would gain an advantage over their increased hitbox because I think you can hit him just as far away. I guess you could spec into Iron Will to counter War Stomp, but if you're playing with the berserking racial, I'd likely go for something that compliments with increased speed like 2h swords or fury.
lmao ppl who just don't understand that is pure entertainment and ask why soda is afraid about T1😂 if THIS was real, why he would post on YTB a "secret plan"... you guys are all NPC or what ?
Tylers movement in PvP will be trash, just like his positioning in PvE. Just play like a basic PvPer and you will win. Nothing fancy, just out manouver him and hes toast.
Warr v Warr: 1. Know your build, know his build. Figure out how to give your build the advantage or how your build could counter his. 2. Know your racials. This complements step 1 because you want to build around your racial. I'd even consider fury. 3. CC's. Know when to CC. 4. Resources. If he has a full rage bar, and you're low on rage, I highly suggest to start going shield and mitigating the damage as much as possible. Shield blocks in particular 5. 30 min CDs. Reck, retal, shield wall. You have to know the best time and when to use each. You can answer retal with retal but that is pure RNG for the most part. If he recks early (after disram), you can answer with shield wall. If he decides to be conservative and waits for your 30 min CD to use shield wall, if fury you could reck or if you're Arms you should consider spending some of your rage to force it out before you even have to use it. If he decides to retal, and fear/disarm is on CD, you can shield wall or attempt to kite it. The main part of this duel is going to come down to how both players utilize their racials, how they manage their rage, how they build their Warriors, and how they play around the 30 min CDs. Everyone plays warrior differently. If you know how his move sequence, counter it. If you know he likes to retal, counter it. If you think he pops reck early, counter it. If you think he plays conservative to wait for YOUR 30 min CD to shield wall, deal *some* damage. If he disarms early, get shield and shield block, wait for him to pop his reck, then disarm. Same with retal. Warr v Warr is a lot less RNG than you think. Sure you can both go sword v sword, but there are definitely ways to play around it. There's a lot of predictions and mind games involved, and knowing how T1 plays *his* warrior is going to be critical in knowing what you can do to play around it.
@@FoMScratch That's true, and I do think soda will win, but I think it's important to remember that no two duels are the same. Kinda like Chess. The most common variation of Chess is the opener E4 E5 Nf3 Nc6. While the opening is the most common opening in Chess, the game will NEVER end the exact same way as another Chess game. Like duels, everyone plays their class differently, and everyone has different pings that influence how they play their class. The openings may be the same all the time, but it will always end differently. That being said, it's important to consider how their opponent plays *their* class and what you can do to play around it. For example, in two games of Chess using the exact same openers, someone blunders their queen on g5, while in another game someone blunders it on d6. But they're both queen blunders, the only difference is which piece is going to do the capture (what ability you're going to use to counter it). Sometimes, the two queen blunders are captured by the exact same piece, like the dark squared bishop. But not always. And that is important to consider because the key to success in warrior v warrior is knowing *how* their opponent plays their class, *what* gear and talents the warrior is using, and *why* they are choosing a certain playstyle (super aggressive; popping reck early, OR super defensively; waiting to shield wall). There's so much complicated elements to this game that the only real way to have a definitive way of beating one vs the other with minimal RNG is to review their vods, analyze their win condition, analyze how they play and position their class, what consumables they use, and of course their racials. It's often exhausting trying to theorycraft each individual duel encounter that most warriors just say "fuck it" and go 2h sword hamstring spam build because the potential to just 1-shot someone is much better than trying to meticulously craft an elaborate scheme to trade CC's with your opponent and secure a window of opportunity to cease a win. It's also much less expensive because you don't need to blow a bunch of gold on Limited Invulnerability Pots if you can just 1-shot the opponent right in the opener and call it a day.
Soda complaining its RNG is Tylers entire point. WoW is not a hard game, its a lot of RNG. Sodas mad saying its not a real duel because same armor/no profs/1 pot, but the same armor is vastly benefitting him. T1 is a lot more geared, and it wouldnt make it any less RNG because they would have all the same enchantments. Soda plays arena all the time where professions and pots are also banned, for obvious reasons - but he doesnt complain about it there. Only when dueling T1.
"Only when dueling T1." No, only in classic... It's not nearly as RNG in later expansions. I don't know what kind of theory you're trying to build here, is it that you think he's afraid of Tyler1's amazing skill which we have observed and made fun of many many times? Obviously not... Warrior 1v1s in classic are just too RNG. But you'd need game knowledge to know this which you clearly lack, so please don't talk too much.
You just do not understand wow pvp and it shows. Warrior v Warrior is a shit ton of rng. The only way to make it about skill is to allow things like professions. If T1 dueled soda on any class besides warrior it would be a skill matchup with the same rules. Half of the skill in this game is knowing what abilities your enemy has up and being able to think rock beats scissors. Classic is a knowledge check and everyone agrees.
@@Dyils Hes just making excuses for the chance he loses. My point is, the game is not hard. It literally doesnt matter what classes they are, there will be excuses. If it was mage vs warrior, mage will win every time. if it was rogue v rogue, it would be whoever finds stealth first, etc. Its a lot of RNG or blatant unfair dynamics that dont require skill which is what people like T1 have said about WoW but get flamed the entire time because "ive played this game 20 years you wont beat me."
Then… Tyler should allow them to use everything at their disposal and not complain, disallowing certain things, and making them use same gear. You know… allow for expression
@@DyilsThe theory is that a good player wouldn't be caught scared. How can a player with 20 years of experience vs 1 month has even a bit of fear or doubt. Couldn't be me. It like messy afraid of a penalty shout-out vs a guy who played for 1 month lmao
Idiots all they talk about is rng. Try to counter the build, negotiate in your advantage to get some trinkets, increase the number of matches to reduce the rng impact.
Soda can easily beat T1 if he just has two weapons, one with crusader and one with weapon chain. He procs his crusader then swaps to his weapon chain. Edit: He could also just pop recklessness at the very start and completely bypass all the CC tyler tries to do, but he needs a weapon chain to pull it off. If he does get disarmed, it helps to have a weapon swap macro to equip your shield because you can still shield block and gain benefit from the armor. Plus you'd be in d-stance and you can pool rage to answer back with another disarm. Or just pool rage in general and wait for all the CC to disappear then blow all your abilities on him at once. He could also just be a super troll and spec mace spec, get a fast 2h mace weapon, and stun lock him But ye generally the "tech" involves weapon swapping to a shield and answering with CDs. He might use retal, you could answer with shield wall, or you can try to get initiative and use reck. I generally had two builds on warrior v warrior, one of which was ofc the 2h sword RNG spec, and the other was actually a fury build that involved just pumping a bunch of single target damage. Both builds needed shields to answer against disarms or retal/reck
@@Murdog_YT good tips in there for sure. If I could give soda any advice it would be to run around behind Tyler to try to delay his swing timer. more autos = win
Being a multi glad in retail areans somehow equates to terrible game balancing in vanilla in mirror matchup with a very low skill ceiling class like warrior, removing all skill based components from the duels like professions and what not?
@@MeNameDark I mean a new player does not do all the little things that is obvious to someone that has played the game. Warrior mirror being RNG does not make this a 50/50 duel. Allowing engineering etc would be the same as if Tyler said the duel will be whoever reaches the highest rank in League of Legends within 1 week solo Q gets guild master. The only fun aspect of this duel is that its RNG because Tyler actually has a chance, but its still unlikely he wins. The only way Tyler wins if he gets lucky multiple times in 2/3 duels.
@@WILDTMD That is just nonsense, its like being worried the lightning is going to strike you 3 times while walking to school. It is not just RNG, he is playing vs a person who has never played the game and clicks many important abilities. Its not a 50/50, Soda has a massive edge already. Talking about exploit macros and weak auras is kinda strange.
00:07 - Sodapoppin discusses strategies to counter Tyler1 in PvP.
01:52 - Strategies for countering fear and maximizing damage in PvP.
05:37 - Strategies discussed for PvP dueling between Warriors.
07:32 - Discussion on the unfairness of PvP duel rules against Tyler1.
12:20 - Sodapoppin discusses strategies and limitations for dueling Tyler1.
14:29 - Sodapoppin discusses strategies for PvP duels against Tyler1.
19:36 - IR Rob and Zik strategize for a competitive duel against Tyler1.
21:40 - Sodapoppin strategizes a private duel against Tyler1, emphasizing secrecy and location.
26:05 - Sodapoppin strategizes a PvP duel against Tyler1.
28:14 - Sodapoppin strategizes PvP tactics against Tyler1 amidst chaotic gameplay.
Omg goated for timestamps thank you 🔥
is this chatgpt? lol
STANCE DANCE 😂😂😂 macro dance dumbass /battle stance /rank 1 charge. So trash bro it’s a char with more macros all warrior is. Stance dance cracks me up how they wanna act like it’s hard.😂
AI channel?
ok mr GPT
Duel on GM Island.
Whoever wins, we're all banned.
Soda just needs to keep stepping through Tyler
Yep. Dudes gonna literally run circles around him and win.
Literally
Two handed fury is better than arms in a strict warrior VS warrior matchup. If health pots are banned, then the reduced healing from MS is useless and Deathwish will remove the possibility of him fearing you in battle stance to bandage himself; not to mention it's 20% more damage for nearly the whole fight. You can also take improved Demo shout to reduce his damage further and improved intercept which will give you more stun windows when his is still on CD.
Arms spec could give you more crit if you use axes, but remember when you crit you will proc his enrage. Warrior vs warrior is super RNG, because you can charge, hamstring crit for 100 dmg and proc his enrage for free which griefs you super hard. That being said, at least if you crit in fury spec, you will have flurry advantage.
100% win chance vs Tyler is the following:
Opener - Wear a shield and sword, charge in or walk into melee. Get up a hamstring and wait for him to disarm you with your shield on (He always disarms super early). Then Demo shout him/shield block and wait out the disarm.
After the disarm ends, you pop deathwish so you can't get feared, go D-stance and disarm him, then you pop recklessness and bloodthirst him. The duel should end pretty quickly when he's disarmed and you have deathwish/reck up. He will be helpless.
Came to comment this. Arms better for warrior v 2-4 enemies . But at 60. War Vs War fury is better no question.
And he’s forgetting Berserker rage breaks fear lol
Yeah I wasnt sure if they were spec'img Arms for this, bc I agree Arms is way to RNG 1v1. 2h weap swings take foreverr when you have almost no rage: if one miss and you literally arent doing dmg and not gaining rage for like 6 secs (assuming weapon swing is 2.5~3.0secs per).
Even in pvp I always felt more comfortable in Fury since I mostly raided and didnt pvp much til arena in BC.
I think its mostly bc of intercept. Not being able rush in and stun in combat is kinda lame, and changing stances wastes a ton of rage, even when spec'd into the talent that lessens it, and Biotox gave him good advice about it mostly being about using your rage efficiently.
My man is overthinking this haha. He just starts close. Tyler will move in and jump out get the initial charge move through him and constantly head behind him and wait for his keyboard turns.
Duel on top of one of the pillars in Thousand Needles.
as someone who has played both league and wow for years (including original vanilla and classic vanilla), there is no equivalent scenario you can make in league of legends that would match the level of rng as classic warrior v warrior. any scenario soda could think of in league tyler1 would turbo outspace him and win every time
nah if two caitlyns stood still on 50% crit and autoed eachother
Tryndamere vs tryndamere.
@@trtvitor1385 except he wouldn't stand still he would outplay him
@@mosdeadly98 Tyler would out space and win like 95% of the time
especially true now that trynd has 175 atk range instead of 125 now
Wait wait wait, Soda is a veteran wow player, and he's THIS scared of losing to Tyler1?? Crazy.
I think hes gaslighting people to try and hype people up
I mean Warrior vs Warrior with 1 pot across 5 duels, no professions, no different talents, no different gear, no trinkets, no consumables makes it insanely RNG.
It's like doing a 1v1 Trynd duel in League with no sums, same Runes (1 person gets MR instead of Armor rune), no bushes, same skill lvl 1, no minions, no turrets, no items.
Like Soda can maybe slightly outplay with movement but Tauren racials/stats are definitely better for the duel and it's warrior vs warrior so 98% of the duel is just standing still and smacking each other until one person dies.
it’s because of the rules of the fight dude. also content?
The way soda is gonna dominate tyler is with movement, soda will constantly be behind tylers back, and tyler is a clicker.
Geranimo's gift of pants are still his golden ticket to the raid.
Imagine if you kited him in deadzone and ranged him like Zeko did to a Makura on his rogue
That summoning to different locations for every duel was actually a cool idea
im glad he is respecting t1 with this duel even he is just a newbie
1. I think Soda is way overthinking this.
2. You can still influence it even if it is RNG to make it go in your favor - example T1 clicks so you can obviously be faster then him in most situations.
3. People are making this appear to be THE event of the year, but i think its gonna be pretty meh. The hype is fun,but the duel itself will be pretty meh i believe.
4. Im not a betting man, but there is no way Soda loses (the only ways being screwd over by RNG really) so thats where my money would be.
Literally just run around him qnd you win
Not having clicked 'play,' my only recommendation is gear equivalence. T1 has geared up to maximum pre-raid BiS, whereas Soda is only (thusfar) in fresh level gear. Gear being made standardised between the two for purposes of a game-skill duel, Soda would win 99 times of 100 due to experience.
They are using equal green gear for the duel
you know hes gonna watch this right...
DUEL ON TOP OF IRONFORGE MOUNTAIN
i feel like the only thing u can do to get a big advantage in warr vs warr is to fear when the other warr is going for the disarm, and i would probably go for a Intercept+Recklesness combo in the 2nd duel instead of trying to use Retal, catch him offguard with big diq dmg
That’s the play. Trade fear for disarm, then disarm with zerker and all in
@@silver2zilverI honestly dont think disarm is that terrible bc you would prob gain more rage punching for a few secs lol. If T1 is a clicker, then he prob cant keep you close with hamstring before youre far enough away to intercept. By then, disarm is over with.
Who would think Soda would be talking strats about how to beat Tyler1 pvp one month ago. Anyway, your content is amazing, thanks for an amazing job Soda and everyone
Berserker rage stops fear
If he wants to practice on a trash warrior, tyler1 is available.
i swear if soda just runs around him contantly tyler will lose auto's
As many bs rules as tyler put out, I would force a no racial abilities so he doesn't get to warstomp you anytime you get close to him. He has a pritty solid advantage with that ability alone. Also overthinking it and screwing over your apm is a factor soda needs to consider. Soda also needs to make sure to be mentally prepared for the fight with no social bs having an interference with this Mak’Gora.
mike tyson vs jake paul everybody
this guild content is better than all romcom's together!
Shield wall low HP, Troll racial and pwn with 30% attack speed. SW buff stays when not using 2h / not in def stance.
If shield wall, then no recklessness. Also its only one duel, tyler mentioned best of 3 or 5.
why not duel under the warrior island arena quest. its got a secret swim location, its a pretty cool.
Is the date set when they’ll duel?
the full imperial plate set is 2809 armor. how much armor reduction is sunder at max rank
its just a disarm trade - If you kite his disarm then disarm him after gg
Honestly just get the gloves from Strat for anti disarm and disarm + reck - gg he will be too slow on wall to counter once he realizes you are immune
@@kenyu6142 They have gear restrictions and playing with identical gear
As warrior you can't kite Disarm because they're literally on top of you.
Same weird + Tyler has longer reach as a Tauren iirc.
You bait his disarm while you have a shield on, and you disarm him when he is using a 2 hander.
Race abilities should not be allowed to equalize it
80% of commenters not even watching the video writing about what talents to use in warrior mirror and gear pieces to get lmfao
Wait I just realized that the potion can throw the weight of the duel off a lot if it were to crit and someone gets the double healing from it
No pots
Sorry my bad, 1 pot
I would tailor your talents to WvW.... really theorycraft it. The meta has not been explored specifically for this fight.
its been a long time since i played WoW, in classic do trolls have voodoo shuffle?
Use your one pot for a rage pot and get the first mortal strike off
Brother if you get a crit you bleed kite keep him slowed disarm after charge use thunderclap
Get inside the AQ gates and duel outside the raid
A properly timed intercept is going to win you this fight.
Lip retal at low hp Tyler gonna khs
u have to deny charge and make him miss a few autos. ontop of the few other things ur cooking thats how ull gain the momentum
If soda loses. Rematch vs soda on feral would be sick
Na. Soda is too skilled on Feral. It’d be too free.
Is soda going to get in full BIS like tyler? because without it he has almost no chance of winning
you think im gonna watch sodapoppin talk for 30min about pvp?
Love Tyler. If he is gonna insist on a duel though to keep his position when it was agreed before he was only temporary, he should allow you some of your game knowledge to win and not lock you into using only the exact same shit lmao.
tyler is new. soda has played 20 years. its totally fair for tyler to make ANY rule he wants.
@@dabillya6845 Not when Tyler forced the duel when he'd initially agreed being GM would be temporary lmao. If he insists on a duel having to happen and goes back on his word for it, Soda should be allowed concession. It's kind of insane to demand that leadership be determined by a duel where no greater experience with the game can be used, when Tyler innately has a racial advantage that's actually really significant because Soda wasn't making his troll knowing he'd have to duel lmao.
Tyler demands a duel. He should not act like a badass by stipulating it has to be made fair by denying his opponent any of the tools commonly used in duels lmao. Soda isn't even playing his main class it's a class he doesn't usually fuck with because he's a druid main lmao. A duel for leadership should be about who is better at the game. Lmao Tyler actively not letting you use the rest of the game because he doesn't know it is self admission that he's not better at the game.
@@valeclaw1697 womp womp
@@dabillya6845 I mean the rules he's chosen make the duel basically just an RNG fight though. Which is probably more interesting and give Tyler1 a way better chance but it basically takes all skill expression out of it.
20 year sweat getting coaching on pvp'ing someone who started playing 2 months ago... the kamalapoppins special
T1 has no chance wow is an intelectual mans game
Didnt he pretty much put himself in this situation?
Also, did they set a date when its gonna happen?
I disagree with both warriors having to use the same spec. Part of being a Warrior is knowing your builds and how to counter other builds against different classes.
That's exactly what Tyler has built out the rule set to accomplish. He doesn't want soda to be able to use his literal decades of knowledge to out-theory craft him or out play him using the full tech of professions, pots, FA, terrain/Los, etc.
By reducing it to rng, he gives himself the best chance and soda can't tell him "no" without Tyler and all his chat calling him a coward or something.
@@tyler1988 I think just the fact that Tyler doesn't swap to shield ever is going to be the deciding factor even if everything else is equal. He's going to learn just how important it is to use your shield.
@@Murdog_YT theyre gonna have same weps and gear, not sure if soda is allowed to sword and board but if he is able to your thoughts is probably the best ive heard so far
@@iDoSongRequests Weapon swap is part of the Warrior toolkit. You're taking away the build, you can't take away the swap. That's like telling a Warlock to not use his healthstone or telling a Mage to not use a mana gem.
@@Murdog_YT what I meant by if he can't is because I don't know the full rules of the duel so I'm not sure if hes allowed is what I meant but I totally agree with you, its T1s rules and I don't think he has fully stated the rules
Stop playing into this duel with the false warchief.
"battle" for leadership is by definition a Mak'gora!
Challenge him to a Mak'gora, T1 will never agree to anything that could cost him his char, thus he will have to forfeit.
first disarm wins, demo shout, tclap then sunders
assuming he doesnt have chain
I feel like hes gonna ban these things then hes gonna go past that and break the rules to win
Tyler that is
tyler is in his head
This is more than a duel with Tyler, this is Soda's redemption and probably only form of way for soda to earn his respect.
this is an RNG duel if you trade hits 1 for 1.
Otherwise this is about 25% rng related and the rest is tactics.
Also. MS is not the play in warr v warr
Lol them both acting like they havent planned this all out outside of the game is funny...They wont ruin all of their cash cow guild for a duel...they know what will happen
Talking about needing an add on to track his stance…I’m done here
warrior has alot of outplay around spacing. If you can make him miss 3 normal autos his rage will be too low to do his thing.
t1 is tauren tho, he gonna hit from further
altar of storms for location?
You can reply after the fact and laugh at me, but i'm pretty sure Soda for all his doubts gonna dumpster T1 in this duel. W v W is and RNG fest for sure, but it can be influenced by the players still. Funnily T1 would have had much more of a chance in a singular match rather then BO3. It's a great content either way.
QUICK SODA GET ALL THE WEAKAURAS
weak arua is CHEATING. cheaters.
Lip + Reck is pretty much auto win any warrior vs warrior fight
Also id prob save disarm for his retaliate
Not exactly. If you have LiP you can answer the reck with your own LiP and bandage through it or just shield wall all the damage, and then after both his CDs are down, you can LiP to prevent kiting/disarm and pump all your damage.
Makes no sense since the other warrior can do the exact same thing.
Granted both disarm and fear on both warriors being on CD, I think you answer retal with shield wall *if you're unable to kite it* because he's likely to dump all his rage into the shield wall and be unable to generate a substantial amount due to hitting like a wet noodle
isn't Tyler very geared? bro just play druid, could beat him as a druid easily
Soda losing would make for great content
just get behind him and you good lol
Should have the battle in the river where Tyler killed the tempest and got his first axe.
One will be left to drown in that river
Warrior mirror match is pretty lame. Soda would win with any other class.
How about same gear but enchants are free-for-all. Add a little strategy to this rng fight ❤❤❤❤
prot tank him the whole way down.
sodas gonna lose.
berserker rage?
it will be gear
17:19 this is very difficult to answer because obviously both racials work with different builds. Berserking increases attack speed, which can be useful on a 2h sword build or fury. Tauren has war stomp and increased health, which is also good for 2h sword build, but less good on fury. It's a complicated question to answer because Warriors generally build around their racials too. Like obviously you wouldn't go mace spec against an Orc, but I don't know if Tauren would gain an advantage over their increased hitbox because I think you can hit him just as far away. I guess you could spec into Iron Will to counter War Stomp, but if you're playing with the berserking racial, I'd likely go for something that compliments with increased speed like 2h swords or fury.
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Stop acting like a wuss and give Swifty a call.
lmao ppl who just don't understand that is pure entertainment and ask why soda is afraid about T1😂
if THIS was real, why he would post on YTB a "secret plan"... you guys are all NPC or what ?
its not a real duel if you dont allow professions or items
So wait, the guy that absolutely nuked Asmongold multiple times is worried about T1? Lol.
Asmons not a PvP player
Legion feral druid vs warrior isn't even remotely comparable to warrior vs warrior in Vanilla😹
Coz T1 banned engineering, only 1 pot, no misc. items. T1 is rigging the rules to his favor as much as he can, is pretty much what is happening.
@@capatheist People that have gotten gladiator multiple times legitimately are not pvp players? That's news to me.
@@generalgrievuuz legitimately getting carried..
Reported to big t
Kamalapoppin > Trumpler1
warriors in greens... you both will have no rage. also pvp hit cap? lol
This is being way over hyped
If soda doesn’t win he’s washed
Tylers movement in PvP will be trash, just like his positioning in PvE.
Just play like a basic PvPer and you will win. Nothing fancy, just out manouver him and hes toast.
Jump around and constantly get behind him, he's pathetic when he's got to move and fight
interessing ... if u play ... you dont chew your fingernails ...
"biotox cdl dueling warrior"... doesnt know what his pvp trinket does... only NA players xd
Tyler wont know what happened.
But soda also going limited with gear and tools. Soda got the experience tho.
The battle will be legendary.
imagine playing the game for as long as soda has against someone as new as tyler and asking for advice really?
Bio good men!
this content is so forced and bad ppl that still watch this are kinda weird
Warr v Warr:
1. Know your build, know his build. Figure out how to give your build the advantage or how your build could counter his.
2. Know your racials. This complements step 1 because you want to build around your racial. I'd even consider fury.
3. CC's. Know when to CC.
4. Resources. If he has a full rage bar, and you're low on rage, I highly suggest to start going shield and mitigating the damage as much as possible. Shield blocks in particular
5. 30 min CDs. Reck, retal, shield wall. You have to know the best time and when to use each. You can answer retal with retal but that is pure RNG for the most part. If he recks early (after disram), you can answer with shield wall. If he decides to be conservative and waits for your 30 min CD to use shield wall, if fury you could reck or if you're Arms you should consider spending some of your rage to force it out before you even have to use it. If he decides to retal, and fear/disarm is on CD, you can shield wall or attempt to kite it.
The main part of this duel is going to come down to how both players utilize their racials, how they manage their rage, how they build their Warriors, and how they play around the 30 min CDs. Everyone plays warrior differently. If you know how his move sequence, counter it. If you know he likes to retal, counter it. If you think he pops reck early, counter it. If you think he plays conservative to wait for YOUR 30 min CD to shield wall, deal *some* damage. If he disarms early, get shield and shield block, wait for him to pop his reck, then disarm. Same with retal.
Warr v Warr is a lot less RNG than you think. Sure you can both go sword v sword, but there are definitely ways to play around it. There's a lot of predictions and mind games involved, and knowing how T1 plays *his* warrior is going to be critical in knowing what you can do to play around it.
they are using the same talents and gear. can't out build here
@@pretendwizard I think it's a stupid rule. Same gear is fine, but they should be allowed different builds.
Or just stand behind him as much as you can. He's a Joe Arrowkeys he can't dodge/parry or attack someone behind them.
@@FoMScratch That's true, and I do think soda will win, but I think it's important to remember that no two duels are the same. Kinda like Chess. The most common variation of Chess is the opener E4 E5 Nf3 Nc6. While the opening is the most common opening in Chess, the game will NEVER end the exact same way as another Chess game. Like duels, everyone plays their class differently, and everyone has different pings that influence how they play their class. The openings may be the same all the time, but it will always end differently. That being said, it's important to consider how their opponent plays *their* class and what you can do to play around it. For example, in two games of Chess using the exact same openers, someone blunders their queen on g5, while in another game someone blunders it on d6. But they're both queen blunders, the only difference is which piece is going to do the capture (what ability you're going to use to counter it). Sometimes, the two queen blunders are captured by the exact same piece, like the dark squared bishop. But not always. And that is important to consider because the key to success in warrior v warrior is knowing *how* their opponent plays their class, *what* gear and talents the warrior is using, and *why* they are choosing a certain playstyle (super aggressive; popping reck early, OR super defensively; waiting to shield wall). There's so much complicated elements to this game that the only real way to have a definitive way of beating one vs the other with minimal RNG is to review their vods, analyze their win condition, analyze how they play and position their class, what consumables they use, and of course their racials. It's often exhausting trying to theorycraft each individual duel encounter that most warriors just say "fuck it" and go 2h sword hamstring spam build because the potential to just 1-shot someone is much better than trying to meticulously craft an elaborate scheme to trade CC's with your opponent and secure a window of opportunity to cease a win. It's also much less expensive because you don't need to blow a bunch of gold on Limited Invulnerability Pots if you can just 1-shot the opponent right in the opener and call it a day.
Stupid this duel is, soda has no chance, t1 has 5% HP plus high base stam plus War stomp, it's no brainer even noob t1 clicker will win
Soda complaining its RNG is Tylers entire point. WoW is not a hard game, its a lot of RNG.
Sodas mad saying its not a real duel because same armor/no profs/1 pot, but the same armor is vastly benefitting him. T1 is a lot more geared, and it wouldnt make it any less RNG because they would have all the same enchantments. Soda plays arena all the time where professions and pots are also banned, for obvious reasons - but he doesnt complain about it there. Only when dueling T1.
"Only when dueling T1."
No, only in classic... It's not nearly as RNG in later expansions.
I don't know what kind of theory you're trying to build here, is it that you think he's afraid of Tyler1's amazing skill which we have observed and made fun of many many times?
Obviously not... Warrior 1v1s in classic are just too RNG. But you'd need game knowledge to know this which you clearly lack, so please don't talk too much.
You just do not understand wow pvp and it shows. Warrior v Warrior is a shit ton of rng. The only way to make it about skill is to allow things like professions. If T1 dueled soda on any class besides warrior it would be a skill matchup with the same rules. Half of the skill in this game is knowing what abilities your enemy has up and being able to think rock beats scissors. Classic is a knowledge check and everyone agrees.
@@Dyils Hes just making excuses for the chance he loses. My point is, the game is not hard. It literally doesnt matter what classes they are, there will be excuses.
If it was mage vs warrior, mage will win every time. if it was rogue v rogue, it would be whoever finds stealth first, etc. Its a lot of RNG or blatant unfair dynamics that dont require skill which is what people like T1 have said about WoW but get flamed the entire time because "ive played this game 20 years you wont beat me."
Then… Tyler should allow them to use everything at their disposal and not complain, disallowing certain things, and making them use same gear.
You know… allow for expression
@@DyilsThe theory is that a good player wouldn't be caught scared. How can a player with 20 years of experience vs 1 month has even a bit of fear or doubt. Couldn't be me. It like messy afraid of a penalty shout-out vs a guy who played for 1 month lmao
Idiots all they talk about is rng. Try to counter the build, negotiate in your advantage to get some trinkets, increase the number of matches to reduce the rng impact.
peeve
Soda can easily beat T1 if he just has two weapons, one with crusader and one with weapon chain. He procs his crusader then swaps to his weapon chain.
Edit: He could also just pop recklessness at the very start and completely bypass all the CC tyler tries to do, but he needs a weapon chain to pull it off.
If he does get disarmed, it helps to have a weapon swap macro to equip your shield because you can still shield block and gain benefit from the armor. Plus you'd be in d-stance and you can pool rage to answer back with another disarm.
Or just pool rage in general and wait for all the CC to disappear then blow all your abilities on him at once.
He could also just be a super troll and spec mace spec, get a fast 2h mace weapon, and stun lock him
But ye generally the "tech" involves weapon swapping to a shield and answering with CDs. He might use retal, you could answer with shield wall, or you can try to get initiative and use reck.
I generally had two builds on warrior v warrior, one of which was ofc the 2h sword RNG spec, and the other was actually a fury build that involved just pumping a bunch of single target damage. Both builds needed shields to answer against disarms or retal/reck
don't think they can have any enchants or weapon chain
@@frankrat4040 Surely he can use a shield though. Weapon swapping is part of a Warrior's toolkit.
you wrote all this and reiterated it and they cant even use enchants. nice
@@jakebraemar2214 It's still relevant, I included lots of things in there that are independent of enchants.
@@Murdog_YT good tips in there for sure. If I could give soda any advice it would be to run around behind Tyler to try to delay his swing timer. more autos = win
The guild is so idiotic. I like to watch skilled content. This is so weak. It's making me feel like wow is no longer my game.
😢
add ons except damage meters are cheating and questie of course.
soda a multi glad worrying about T1 OMFG this is the biggest load of fake bullshit. literally so fake its ruining the only fangs vibe.
Being a multi glad in retail areans somehow equates to terrible game balancing in vanilla in mirror matchup with a very low skill ceiling class like warrior, removing all skill based components from the duels like professions and what not?
This is like steph curry sweating in a 3 point contest with a 16 year old. So embarrassing
@@MeNameDark I mean a new player does not do all the little things that is obvious to someone that has played the game. Warrior mirror being RNG does not make this a 50/50 duel. Allowing engineering etc would be the same as if Tyler said the duel will be whoever reaches the highest rank in League of Legends within 1 week solo Q gets guild master. The only fun aspect of this duel is that its RNG because Tyler actually has a chance, but its still unlikely he wins. The only way Tyler wins if he gets lucky multiple times in 2/3 duels.
Of course he is worry because the duel depends on something uncertain , did you try thinking?
@@WILDTMD That is just nonsense, its like being worried the lightning is going to strike you 3 times while walking to school. It is not just RNG, he is playing vs a person who has never played the game and clicks many important abilities. Its not a 50/50, Soda has a massive edge already. Talking about exploit macros and weak auras is kinda strange.