Daniel Rachel hears 100 hours of Beatles audio - “it’s like the DNA in a crime scene”
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Daniel Rachel, old pal of the pod, has just published ‘Like Some Forgotten Dream: What If The Beatles Hadn’t Split Up?’, much of it drawn from his access to the Let It Be tapes and full of enthralling details about the highs and lows of the band’s last year. This includes precisely what happened after George stormed out in Jan ’69, the stories of Gimme Some Truth, Cold Turkey and All Things Must Pass, missed press news opportunities, the Scottish car crash, the Toronto Peace Concert and a fantasy tracklist for the double album they could have made in 1970. And much fond talk of their personal chemistry. “There was no showboating, everybody served the song and the idea of making music surpassed everything.”
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I recently saw or read an interview with Ringo Starr where he said if Paul had not pushed them, they would not have got past the second album.
This is a hugely entertaining podcast and a great topic . Looking forward to reading the book
Wow! I’ve just got into this show and have seen four or five episodes so far. They are all good but this is the best one yet for me. Actually I’d be quite happy to listen to David & Mark talking to different people about the Beatles every week. I’m going to order Daniel’s book next week after I get paid.
You might like the Sodajerker podcast (interviews with songwriters about their methods including so far Paul McCartney, Paul Simon and Jackie De Shannon). Also Rockontuers podcast from Gary Kemp and Guy Pratt is excellent where they interview top line artists where you get to hear inside info from their careers.
Kurt Vonnegut: "I say in speeches that a plausible mission for artists might be to make people feel better about being alive, even just a little bit. I am then asked if any artists have pulled this off. I reply, "The Beatles did". "
This podcast is always enjoyable. But this guest was riveting. More more more please.
A wonderful lively discussion, thanks again, gents.
Lads, When John Lennon drove the car to Scotland it was Manual drive he put the gearbox in first gear and did'nt touch it again Peter Jackson on radio said " As well as playing around with all the new songs they were also playing all the old rock and roll songs. I read somewhere that even today when Paul McCartney is in the recording studio he starts the day with Eddie Cochran's " Twenty Flight Rock." Linda is the one who got Paul back up and running again. Cheers, Chris Perry.
Brilliant podcast.......
RAM is absolutely Paul's best. Love ❤
that one. Monkberry Moon Delight! Awesome
Really enjoyable podcast!
Anil Bhagwat, and other musicians are credited on 'Revolver'. Tony Bramwell, and others occasionally contributed to the suggestions and conversation, although of course Brian Epstein was famously told to 'take care of the money' by John when Brian tried to make a musical suggestion on one occasion (mentioned in Hunter Davies's authorized biography of The Fabs).
Nicky Hopkins uncredited I believe...Oh Yoko lol love the enthusiasm on this one.
(45:30) Paul Muldoon is an Irish poet.
Austin Maxi - ( apparently they started the journey in a Mini ) - very odd choice, maybe used so as not to attract attention i - it also may be the last time John drove - they had an American style station wagon in the early 70s ( in NYC) but not sure if he ever drove it
car was an Austin Maxi.
Queen are the other example where all four members were central to the construction of how songs were performed.
Led Zep, The Who, The Doors, R.E.M.?
@@philiphalpenny3783 Spot on,i always felt sorry for the three Doors who contributed so much to that overall sound,especially Robby Kreiger's guitar flourishes,for me all 4 mattered,not just Morrison.And when Bill Berry left R.E.M it was never the same for me.
I’ve always wondered wether the other Beatles turning down Cold Turkey was the final straw for John. If the Beatles can’t accommodate what I’m wanting to communicate, what is the point? And you were discussing how Lennon might have presented the song to them? If you listen to the Toronto show, Lennon is pretty much just strumming his way through it. There was no sign of the guitar riff that defines the track and gives it its hook. So perhaps the other three Beatles also heard the song without the riff and thought it wasn’t good enough musically to be a single. Now if he’d written Instant Karma by then and played them that, that’s another outcome.
I agree with David and Mark about McCartney's solo output being much more consistent and I say that as a John fan! The real difference between Lennon and McCartney was work ethic, Paul's was always strong, John, gawd love him, was naturally rather lazy, so when it came to the 70's, John's output was much patchier due to not being so driven, his 'lost weekend' emotional crisis and then a prolonged bout of writer's block.
He wasn’t lazy, he was so tired and only sleeping.
Totally agree. Plus as they say Paul could copy the other Beatles to a certain extent ✌🏾
ALAN Civil is certainly credited, Mal 'Organ " Evans is credited & George Martin is definitely credited on a couple of tracks. from memory Eric Clapton does get a nod on the White Album poster but it may not be a specific credit to While my Guitar.
Has there ever been the suggestion that Cold Turkey was rejected because it sounded so similar to Come Together? Which was a single (with Something) at that time.
Thank you, but must disagree about Lennon albums being much less than Macca's in the 70's. Whatever you think about Lennon's output, 8 albums in 10 years ain't bad. He kept up the creative energy of the Beatles by writing seminal songs with all the inventiveness, spark and depth of the Beatles. Listen to the John Lennon Collection - all classics. Perhaps the same cannot be said of Wings. I think McCartney (likely the greatest melodist of the century and perhaps the greatest contributor within the Beatles) was somewhat disorientated after the break up, whereas Lennon continued creatively unabashed and unabated.
the Daniel Rachel proposition of four sides in 1970 is against what I would call any "Beatle logic". Is another double album likely considering their own solo projects and their family time ? Not to mention the Let It Be release scheduled to come out April/May 70 ? The four sides he bases his book on means 28 tracks being recorded over months. Would John really be happy investing his time for month after month with 21 tracks he did not write and happily be strumming along to My Sweet Lord take 20 ? Nah - a single album (4+4+4+2) with recording sessions late 69 to early 70 would be the best case. More personal songs - Mother, Lovely Linda, Hear Me Lord, My Sweet Lord, Cold Turkey etc either solo singles or kept in the back pockets for solo albums that are recorded mid 70 onwards. Daniel Rachel has missed a trick with his idea of four sides - it does not fit a timeline or consider the machinations in the band at the end of 69 and through 70. Let alone his choice of songs for a double or single. Clever book promo but the claimed "extensive research" and his interviews for the book are surprisingly light on knowledge of the period late 69-early 70.
I really enjoyed the show. I went to university in1975, and the only people who owned McCartney records were girls. My wife owned Band on the Run when I met her. Most of my friends thought his solo work was naff. I still hate Mull of Kintyre and Ebony & Ivory with a passion.
The Coke would have ruined the Beatles like everybody else in the 70's....
It wrecked George's singing, apparently.
And Tom Scott would've become the new 5th Beatle (they all loved plenty of sax in the 70s).