I absolutely loved "Frances runs until she reaches her lowest point, from there she finally grows up. [...] She starts the story as a dancer, she ends the story as a dance choreographer. She goes from being directed, to directing." wonderful analysis! Hope to see more videos from you soon
Frances wanted to reclaim Sophie's love by bringing Sophie back into young adulthood with her. But in the end she learned that she had to rise to Sophie's maturity to have that love again.
I watched this movie yesterday and even though I was so happy that Frances got that dream moment at the party and it was so pure and blissful I just couldn't help but contemplate about that dialogue when she says "It's just that if something funny happens on the way to the deli.. you'll only tell one person about it and that'll be Patch and I'll never hear about it." Sophie didn't even seem happy with Patch and was actually depressed (in her words)... I am not looking into it. But don't you think marriage is overrated? Why is living with your friends in adjacent apartments considered "not-grown-up"? It's just that I am basically Frances with a different demeanor but I am the same when it comes to what I want. And it's really puzzling the way life works. I was so happy to see their friendship renewed at the dance but was sad about all the growing up. Why is growing up related to Sophie shifting in Tokyo, leaving her job and living with someone just because "marriage"?
I watched this movie yesterday and even though I was so happy that Frances got that dream moment at the party and it was so pure and blissful I just couldn't help but contemplate about that dialogue when she says "It's just that if something funny happens on the way to the deli.. you'll only tell one person about it and that'll be Patch and I'll never hear about it." Sophie didn't even seem happy with Patch and was actually depressed (in her words)... I am not looking into it. But don't you think marriage is overrated? Why is living with your friends in adjacent apartments considered "not-grown-up"? It's just that I am basically Frances with a different demeanor but I am the same when it comes to what I want. And it's really puzzling the way life works. I was so happy to see their friendship renewed at the dance but was sad about all the growing up. Why is growing up related to Sophie shifting in Tokyo, leaving her job and living with someone just because "marriage"?
Pragya Agarwal i don’t think it’s necessarily that growing up has to be ‘marriage’, or even the necessity of stability in a romantic relationship... maybe more... honesty? Growing up, quite unfortunately, doesn’t mean growing together. I think Sophie and Frances wanted different things. And in fear of rejection, or upsetting the status quo, held their punches and became complacent (evidenced by Frances’ hiding the truth of her job/Sophie’s miscarriage/the lease renewal miscommunication.) I think the end of the film is the removing of that veil; Frances is honest with herself about what is realistic/achievable, and maybe even honest about the standards she holds herself and others against. She’s freed Sophie from the obligation of being the mythical other half that would inject meaning into her existence... and thereby given herself the experience of an ‘other half’ she so desperately sought. Frances’ meaning is now grounded in her self, so she doesn’t need this specific version of Sophie (and by extension herself.) Her love for Sophie can (needs to) include the changes in Sophie’s life, not the Sophie and Frances that are frozen in time. So, growing up means facing reality, the specifics of which can mean different things (and did mean different things,) to either girl. (Of course this could very well be a projection of my own feelings haha) An argument could be made for Frances being in love with Sophie, which would require a different lens lol
@@AnotherPCAddict I understand friends want different things in life and we should be okay with it; not just okay but be happy for it. And I don't know if being in love would be viewed through a different lens because they both loved each other - enough to not head into a pointless future far away from the other being depressed in an unhappy marriage, with no job and no self-identity. What I understood is Sophie's submission into the conventional, traditional way of living a "grown-up" life where even though one is not happy at least they are "settled". And I don't hate Sophie for it. If I were in Frances' place I would be happy for Sophie too for it is the life she chose and I have to be happy no matter what because I claim that I love her. But I guess my point was people in general being brainwashed by these conventional ways of living only to find themselves not being happy or content but check-listing the things their previous generations have done. They don't want to hold on and observe for a while. People just running this pointless "achieve" race be it materialistic things or emotions.
Pragya Agarwal That’s a good take, thanks for sharing that! I hadn’t stopped to consider *why* Sophie was even acting that way, and were I in Frances’ position I most definitely would have been compelled to follow a similar path for the sole purpose of matching paces with someone I considered vital to my life. I definitely made the mistake of quickly disregarding the more traditional view of Sophie simply because of it being status quo. Thank you for that beautiful articulation!
@@AnotherPCAddict I am happy you liked my point of view :) Though I too disregard Sophie's way of living her life. I guess if my friends would someday choose Sophie's way I will however at least try to bring them to light. I know that may not work. But I hope people just stop for a second and think before living their lives in the prescribed ways. There's a movie Little Women (adaptation of a book with the same name) whose lead has put my thoughts the exact way I wish to. Maybe you can watch it or it will be better if you can read it too :)
You guys had such a thoughtful enlightening conversation about this movie. You both put into words lots of my thoughts on it but probably more gracefully than I had it in my mind hahahha. I know it’s been a year, but I watched the movie yesterday and fell in love with all those details and the deep reflections it sparks. Thank you for the comments 🤍
Nice edit and your commentary :-) Frances Ha is truly one of the most special movies I've ever watched. The scene where Sophie and Frances talk about their future that sounds almost hollow, too dreamy, while so humble and adorable, make me have tears in my eyes. Maybe it's because I know that I have forgotten some one of the most valuable memories and dreams that I made when I was a kid as I grew up. Truly a lovely movie.
Ideally, the desire and deeper need would conflict when the main character is at their "lowest point", forcing her to prove her growth by going against and sacrificing something she's wanted all along. This kind of internal struggle is typically the difference between a deep and a not-so-deep story. I have never felt a deep inner conflict in Frances Ha, and now I know why.
Hey Liam, Thanks. I absolutely understand where you're coming from. I had your words in my head while making this latest video. I would love to know if I made any improvments. You can find the video here: ruclips.net/video/_MkFl37Yumc/видео.html
Love this film and really enjoyed this trake on it. But you forgot that the film leaves it open for us to assume her and benji are gpnna get together. So he gets what he wants too
@@FunnyLittleFrog thank you for sending the link , I loved the song , it's going to be on repeat for a very long time now , it fits perfectly on the situation of Frances and Me too .
I like what you have to say, but man, you gotta inject some energy into your voice. You sound almost narcoleptic, and despite what the good points you're making, it's hard to stay interested.
Hey Dylan, Thanks. I really appreciate that. I have recently uploaded a new video and would love to hear your thoughts about it. You can find the video here: ruclips.net/video/_MkFl37Yumc/видео.html
@@ivonnecaradenacho3726 Its so true, 12% of the info is on the internet depending on the locations, believe or not the lower class has 25% when they work for powerful people. I cant tell you my source but what I can said is question everything find proofs and take a risk . I can said I know 35%
I absolutely loved "Frances runs until she reaches her lowest point, from there she finally grows up. [...] She starts the story as a dancer, she ends the story as a dance choreographer. She goes from being directed, to directing." wonderful analysis! Hope to see more videos from you soon
¨She goes from being directed, to directing.¨ aw like greta herself
Frances wanted to reclaim Sophie's love by bringing Sophie back into young adulthood with her. But in the end she learned that she had to rise to Sophie's maturity to have that love again.
I watched this movie yesterday and even though I was so happy that Frances got that dream moment at the party and it was so pure and blissful I just couldn't help but contemplate about that dialogue when she says "It's just that if something funny happens on the way to the deli.. you'll only tell one person about it and that'll be Patch and I'll never hear about it."
Sophie didn't even seem happy with Patch and was actually depressed (in her words)... I am not looking into it. But don't you think marriage is overrated? Why is living with your friends in adjacent apartments considered "not-grown-up"? It's just that I am basically Frances with a different demeanor but I am the same when it comes to what I want. And it's really puzzling the way life works. I was so happy to see their friendship renewed at the dance but was sad about all the growing up. Why is growing up related to Sophie shifting in Tokyo, leaving her job and living with someone just because "marriage"?
@@pragyaagarwal7229 i just wanna say I agree with you.
@@pragyaagarwal7229 I agree with you too.
@@pragyaagarwal7229 You're not wrong.
This..this was the answer I was looking for. Thank you.
Your voice is very midnight radio, rain pouring outside. Very relaxing, very nice.
He sounds like a serial killer
I watched this movie yesterday and even though I was so happy that Frances got that dream moment at the party and it was so pure and blissful I just couldn't help but contemplate about that dialogue when she says "It's just that if something funny happens on the way to the deli.. you'll only tell one person about it and that'll be Patch and I'll never hear about it."
Sophie didn't even seem happy with Patch and was actually depressed (in her words)... I am not looking into it. But don't you think marriage is overrated? Why is living with your friends in adjacent apartments considered "not-grown-up"? It's just that I am basically Frances with a different demeanor but I am the same when it comes to what I want. And it's really puzzling the way life works. I was so happy to see their friendship renewed at the dance but was sad about all the growing up. Why is growing up related to Sophie shifting in Tokyo, leaving her job and living with someone just because "marriage"?
Pragya Agarwal i don’t think it’s necessarily that growing up has to be ‘marriage’, or even the necessity of stability in a romantic relationship... maybe more... honesty? Growing up, quite unfortunately, doesn’t mean growing together.
I think Sophie and Frances wanted different things. And in fear of rejection, or upsetting the status quo, held their punches and became complacent (evidenced by Frances’ hiding the truth of her job/Sophie’s miscarriage/the lease renewal miscommunication.) I think the end of the film is the removing of that veil; Frances is honest with herself about what is realistic/achievable, and maybe even honest about the standards she holds herself and others against. She’s freed Sophie from the obligation of being the mythical other half that would inject meaning into her existence... and thereby given herself the experience of an ‘other half’ she so desperately sought.
Frances’ meaning is now grounded in her self, so she doesn’t need this specific version of Sophie (and by extension herself.) Her love for Sophie can (needs to) include the changes in Sophie’s life, not the Sophie and Frances that are frozen in time. So, growing up means facing reality, the specifics of which can mean different things (and did mean different things,) to either girl.
(Of course this could very well be a projection of my own feelings haha)
An argument could be made for Frances being in love with Sophie, which would require a different lens lol
@@AnotherPCAddict I understand friends want different things in life and we should be okay with it; not just okay but be happy for it. And I don't know if being in love would be viewed through a different lens because they both loved each other - enough to not head into a pointless future far away from the other being depressed in an unhappy marriage, with no job and no self-identity. What I understood is Sophie's submission into the conventional, traditional way of living a "grown-up" life where even though one is not happy at least they are "settled". And I don't hate Sophie for it. If I were in Frances' place I would be happy for Sophie too for it is the life she chose and I have to be happy no matter what because I claim that I love her. But I guess my point was people in general being brainwashed by these conventional ways of living only to find themselves not being happy or content but check-listing the things their previous generations have done. They don't want to hold on and observe for a while. People just running this pointless "achieve" race be it materialistic things or emotions.
Pragya Agarwal That’s a good take, thanks for sharing that! I hadn’t stopped to consider *why* Sophie was even acting that way, and were I in Frances’ position I most definitely would have been compelled to follow a similar path for the sole purpose of matching paces with someone I considered vital to my life. I definitely made the mistake of quickly disregarding the more traditional view of Sophie simply because of it being status quo.
Thank you for that beautiful articulation!
@@AnotherPCAddict I am happy you liked my point of view :)
Though I too disregard Sophie's way of living her life. I guess if my friends would someday choose Sophie's way I will however at least try to bring them to light. I know that may not work. But I hope people just stop for a second and think before living their lives in the prescribed ways. There's a movie Little Women (adaptation of a book with the same name) whose lead has put my thoughts the exact way I wish to. Maybe you can watch it or it will be better if you can read it too :)
You guys had such a thoughtful enlightening conversation about this movie. You both put into words lots of my thoughts on it but probably more gracefully than I had it in my mind hahahha. I know it’s been a year, but I watched the movie yesterday and fell in love with all those details and the deep reflections it sparks. Thank you for the comments 🤍
Nice edit and your commentary :-) Frances Ha is truly one of the most special movies I've ever watched. The scene where Sophie and Frances talk about their future that sounds almost hollow, too dreamy, while so humble and adorable, make me have tears in my eyes. Maybe it's because I know that I have forgotten some one of the most valuable memories and dreams that I made when I was a kid as I grew up. Truly a lovely movie.
Ideally, the desire and deeper need would conflict when the main character is at their "lowest point", forcing her to prove her growth by going against and sacrificing something she's wanted all along.
This kind of internal struggle is typically the difference between a deep and a not-so-deep story. I have never felt a deep inner conflict in Frances Ha, and now I know why.
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Thank you! This movie absolutely depressed me. Felt too real to my situation
I will always love this movie because of this very moment I found about it
I hardly ever comment... I love this analysis.
Great analysis of a wonderful film. I look forward to future videos and hope your work gets a lot of attention in the future.
Hey Liam, Thanks. I absolutely understand where you're coming from. I had your words in my head while making this latest video. I would love to know if I made any improvments. You can find the video here: ruclips.net/video/_MkFl37Yumc/видео.html
Love this film and really enjoyed this trake on it. But you forgot that the film leaves it open for us to assume her and benji are gpnna get together. So he gets what he wants too
love the atmosphere and the tone of this commentary video
I actually like your tone
Great analysis!!!
a wonderful analysis!!!
hey, what is the name of the song ar 2:15? :)
And we all are the main characters with need
great thankyou x
Thank you for the essay :)
I made a music video for this movie in my channell
I can't find it
@@bestofluckareeba4305 here it is ! ruclips.net/video/vnAjAXnQcjM/видео.html
@@FunnyLittleFrog thank you for sending the link , I loved the song , it's going to be on repeat for a very long time now , it fits perfectly on the situation of Frances and Me too .
@@bestofluckareeba4305 I'm so glad you loved the song, I love Belle and Sebastian❤ thank you 💕
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I like what you have to say, but man, you gotta inject some energy into your voice. You sound almost narcoleptic, and despite what the good points you're making, it's hard to stay interested.
Hey Dylan, Thanks. I really appreciate that. I have recently uploaded a new video and would love to hear your thoughts about it. You can find the video here: ruclips.net/video/_MkFl37Yumc/видео.html
Fuck you his voice is ethereal and almost calming
almost Godly
so growing up means to have a career and a purpose? maybe that's why i don't fit
in this world it is IF you want to have your own apartment , pay for yourself, and live a much more comfortable life.
@@ivonnecaradenacho3726 No their is ways to hack the system, thats why people said knowledge is power.
@@ratan4976 yeah...sure man. But how? Not every person can "hack the system".
@@ivonnecaradenacho3726 Its so true, 12% of the info is on the internet depending on the locations, believe or not the lower class has 25% when they work for powerful people. I cant tell you my source but what I can said is question everything find proofs and take a risk . I can said I know 35%
@@ratan4976 aight show me
the worst critique of a precious film, ever....well, the first few minutes, that’s all I could take.