86-DOS - An Early 80's Operating System
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video I do a review of 86 DOS (AKA QDOS) which is an operating system originally designed for Seattle Computer Intel 8086 machines. 86 DOS was later purchased by Microsoft and extended into MS DOS.
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After many hours of interragation he went through by the feds, mental outlaw is finally free and can make weird os stuff
Question: is the farm for witness protection or is it a safehouse to hide from the feds?
@@sheikhspeare6637I’d love to say yes but I think he’s just that based
@@sheikhspeare6637 😆😆😆😆😆
Why does original comment say "3 replies" but I see only 1 reply?
@@sheikhspeare6637 WITNESS PROTECTION FOR WHAT
Cool vid. By the way, the thing you were trying to find to compare Edlin to is "ed", a text editor for linux that has a similarly weird controls and experience
ACKTCHUALLY ed was the original UNIX editor, and is present on every Unix like 🤓
just realized that the company that made 86 DOS could be shortened to SCP
SCP-86
Soyfacing to this comment right now
Yes. And they did indeed shorten it often.
Scp is so stupid
welp, time to get writing
Kenny: "Oh yeah and clear. Clear just..."
Me: "Clears the screen"
Kenny: "... deletes the whole operating system"
Damn times were wild in the 80s I guess.
right, it's absolute bizarre that you could wipe the entire OS with one word and a 'y'. Sure, same with with rm -rf, but clearly there is a greater hurdle to that. It would also have a much greater impact, since you probably paid good amount of money to get your hands on a floppy with this in the first place.
@@_modiXnot enough memory or care for the expensive security checks.. every byte counted. People just assumed you knew what you were doing
@@zeektm1762 exactly, it was pure profession needed in a costly environment.
It's been at least 2 decades since I last touched DOS directly...
But clearing the screen, MS didn't remap "clear", we used "cls" to clear screen instead.
CLEAR
Erase all files (Y/N)?
[Those stupid confirmations, *of* *course* I am sure I want to clear my screen] Y
… [ OOOH! ]
MS DOS wasn't the first successful home computer OS. 86-DOS was an almost identical clone of Digital Research's CP/M, which was already a huge success on older computers. So much so, that DR sued MS over it. In fact, CP/M almost became the default OS supplied with IBM's original 'PC'.
Was it a clone of CP/M or CP/M-86? By the way those are both open source now.
Ask Bill why the string in MS-DOS function 9 is terminated by a dollar sign.
@@The_Conspiracy_Analyst CP/M-86 didn't exist yet.
Didn't dude refuse to meet with IBM at digital research?
@@scallen3841 The story that Gary Killdall went flying instead of meeting with IBM's rep is untrue. The simple truth is that D.R. didn't like the contract IBM asked for; and brand new company Microsoft (known for MS basic, one of the most popular programs running on CP/M) bought 86-dos from Seattle computer products and resold it to IBM.
Also unfair is the suggestion that Microsoft cheated Tim Patterson when they bought 86-dos. They hired the guy (both as an employee and contractor), and he did much better working for Microsoft than as a small hardware manufacturer who... um... would soon be crushed by IBM.
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The odd thing is that if DR had already released cp/m 86 -- Patterson would never had needed to write a work-alike OS for his computer line.
In 6 years, the 80's will be half a century ago
Jesus, thanks for that existential dread
Jesus Christ, unbelievable, well time waits for no one
i texted this to my dad, he replied “fuck off” in lower case.
@@ajuiceboxxx INVALID MOVE--TRY AGAIN
Jesus!
Could probably build all the chips in verilog, circuitry in spice, and simulate that entire machine from the beginning of the video, at the electrical and logical level, on a modern computer. Thinking about that much advancement is… impressive
40 years does a whole lot more than you think.
Is this actually possible? Are there verilog/vhdl environments to run code on top of the compiled and simulated hardware?
@@Petrolhead99999 I doubt it for this system, but old consoles like nes, genesis, gameboy etc have commercial fpga emulators, which is exactly that-a bunch of vhdl to simulate the circuits.
Wild to think about... I think this is why computer science has always seemed convoluted to me because it is a "knowledge version of a fractal" lol
I get the basic concepts but amazing what happens when you throw it all together and have it working.
And now we got many multiple cores, gigabytes upon gigabytes of RAM, most of us are still doing the same damn thing we did on Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect.
Crazy that Patterson sold the original 86-DOS for $50,000 to Bill...
Pretty sweet deal, no?
@@mohawkjoe64 like buying Alaska
It's even crazier when you realise that Patterson's 86-DOS was quite literally an unauthorised clone of CP/M, using the same naming conventions and commands that CP/M pioneered. Microsoft were threatened with legal action by Digital Research, and MS settled out of court because they knew they would probably lose. MS always played dirty, even back then. 🙄
A megabyte? I doubt it had even that much.
512 kb it was. Not even enough to run DOS 4.0(needed 640kb)
Yeah, I figured as much. Back then 512k cost as much as 8Gb of ram does nowdays, lmao. RAM prices never really change- the only thing that changes is the quantities those prices will get you lol.
read up on linking the linker. The tarbell isn't a PC, there is no upper 384k, its just the small bios & serial console. It could use far more ram than the ibm pc.
You are being way too generous by saying one megabyte of ram, that wasn’t common until the late 80s.
There is a saying attributed to Bill Gates that no one would ever need more than 640Kb of RAM.
The 5.25" floppies were generally 720Kb.
@@dingokidneys 360k was the standard for a while, and even smaller capacities were available outside the IBM compatible sphere.
86-DOS: SOVL
Windows 11: soulless
THE SOVL🤌
@fus132 Душа!
!! amen to that
So trucel
Windows 11 looks so ugly, it's like Bill woke up and said: let's destroy decades of our UI/UX research and just copy Chrome OS
About a year ago I've found an old USB 1.1 floppy drive along with some disks in my company's storage room we've decided to clean up a bit.
When plugged in a windows 11 machine, it still came up as an A: drive and could still read some of the floppies out of the box. :)
The original IBM-PC came out with 32 kb of ram plus two floppy drives. They were shamed into expanding that to 64 kb of ram by the Comodore 64 which came standard with that much memory. Takes me back.
Base configuration was 16kb with no floppy drives
@@va4cqd:
Thanks. I just never heard of anyone buying that config. If it had no floppy drives, how did you boot it up?
Basic is in rom and there was a cassette port on the back
@@Provocateur3tape
"Nobody needs more than 640kb of memory"
I like to think DOS was developed soley to run Sierra games.
Command prompt chess games are made for you to play using a real chess board and move the pieces for the computer
If Terry was still here this would make him smile
He is, in our hearts
not sure why you couldn't link/show my blog but at least you could follow the instructions...
Another interesting OS of this period was CP/M. It came out in 1974 and was probably the most popular OS for microcomputers until MS-DOS.
This '80s OS has very good-looking antialiased font 😄
It's because it's outputted into the emulator, which itself puts it in the console
🤗@@attilavs2
1 MB floppy, 😳 !!!? More like 160KB
Was that on an 8" floppy 'cause I remember the 5.25" floppies all being 720Kb (until double density pushed them to 1.4Mb).
@@dingokidneys Apparently 8" floppies were: 250K / 500K and 616K / 1232K for PC (single/double sided). Common formats for 5.25 were: 320K, 360K, 640K and then 1200K, and 3.5" ones were: 360K, 720K, 1440K, both with other non-standard formats possible, like: indeed 1440K for 5.25" and 1680/1720K for 3.5" using standard drives (didn't always work for 5.25" when I tested, some drives refused to read or format this way). Later 3.5" "2.88MB" format was unobtanium, remember asking about the drives and floppies in mid-to-late 1990s and nobody ever had or seen any.
One correction. Floppys at that time didn't had "1mb". They had 360K. For early 80s was suficient. Programs and documents were very simple and programmed in low level programing languages taking a very small space.
A floppy with one megabyte? 😄 Try 360 kilobytes.
I'm probably one of a few zoomers out there who are into vintage computers and tech stuff like this. It's just so damn fascinating
@VaDR3dhuh
I suppose you don't know much about zoomers. (Especially nerdy ones)
Retro gaming goes hand in hand with retro computing. I myself got into vintage computing because there was retro games which in turn lead me to learn and appreciate this different side of computing
i dual booted ms-dos with windows 10 on my laptop while i was in high school for some reason
@@ImDelphox I would've gone with FreeDOS, but that's pretty cool
@9:00 no.. in 1980, that floppy disk would be 360K... and that was *double density*.
In the 80s you were lucky to have 64k of memory in your computer. That's kilobytes, not megabytes or gigabytes.
waaay back, a tech told me that he learned EDLIN well, cuz it was everywhere. It then lasted 'til winXP !!
I actually wrote software with edlin on MS-DOS 2.1 - the horror ... the horror.
@@dingokidneys LLLoL .. i'm sorry*
* also heroic :-)
_some programmer in the 80s_
_pulls out a card_
DOS
Copyright 1980 by "Seattle Computer Products"
Designed for [SCP-200B]
-> Now it makes sense!
Must be a cognitohazard.
That copyright was a farce, because SCP made a direct and unauthorised clone of Digital Research's CP/M, which had been released in 1974. Microsoft settle out of court rather than face losing everything.
I use edlin btw
I didn't get into computers till a few years later, but I had friends in the late 70s that were way gone, doing packet radio and BBs, lots a command lines. Cool beans ...I remember the floppy disk shuffle too...those 5" ones were insane....very flexible!
viva FidoNET !!
@@madddog7wow you are old. 😂 😢 so am I.
Hex2Bin be like "I am the alpha and the omega"
My dad had an MSX2 with 2 floppy drives and 2 cartridge slots.
That computer was cool as hell.
My first computer was a Heathkit H-89 I built in 1980. It came with 8k of memory (The maximum was 48K) which was enough to run H-DOS, but I had to add another 8k (cost $75!) to run MS-DOS. It had a single floppy drive (100k unformatted) which doesn't sound like much, but you could install the WordStar word processor on one disk and have enough room left for a two page letter.
For me the DOS was never a great system since people didn't know how to secure it and it opened doors to stupid kids like me who found backdoors in PC's and for example changed the grades in your file or the files of your bully or did someone other illegal BS😂
The best thing was that even after Windows came out, people still didn't know how to secure their crap and but at least I'm happy that I grew up in those times because this landed me a job in cyber security
MS DOS was never designed to be a secure OS. It was an unauthorised clone of CP/M, which was itself released in 1974, long before built in security was even a consideration... and it certainly wasn't the only insecure OS. MS DOS was an atrocious OS, mainly due to the horrible memory management imposed by the early Intel CPUs, and the ridiculous hurdles you had to jump through to get programs enough conventional memory to run.
@@another3997At my school they used MSDos- 3.3 which brought support for the "smaller" floppy disks. It was fun time because there were exposed ethernet ports in the general changing room. But to be honest, it was a fun time to be around. Everything was unprotected,
I was getting free internet from the polish ISP TP (Telekomunikacja Polska) by hacking the prepaid one time use cards which had something called "Impulses" as the currency and by unhooking the ink head from the small printing head, I was getting unlimited internet. Later on, on my Modem, the cards had a read only and read/write area so you got blank credit cards and "entry card writter" form germany and Czech Republic without the square chip, copied the unused prepaid card on the blank card and then copied it again on another blank card. When one card was used up, you just earased the content and re-wirtten the same crap again and you were able to use Limewire, ICQ and visit all the forums... Rawr x3
And no, back in the good old Poland we didn't download updates for drivers, games etc. from the Internet. We bought PC magazines and they either had a CD or DVD with all the stuff on it.
@@another3997 a bit late answer because I was traveling.
The thing is that MS Dos is still used in Germany as fun as it sounds. Like I know a manufacturing plant in the statte called "Hessen" and they have machines from 1994, 1997 and 1999 which are connected to internal network, can be still accessed remotely and they still use floppy disks on most of them but when I was working in IT before moving out of this terrible country, I upgraded some of their machines with compact flash floppy emulators since like 10 of the 512mb compact flash cards cost around 4$.
But yeah, it's not rly secure, they use Windows Server 2016 on their servers, got hit multiple times with ransomware but the old stupid boss there thinks it was a bad configuration. Also, their material delivery system has unprotected VNC server on them and all their systems can be bypassed by running a bat file with certain code that bypasses the UAC protection.
Also, did you know that the German train network still uses Windows 3.11 and Windows 98SE on their trains and they use dial up fuckery to get the data from the DB (Deutsche Bahn) servers. Last month they were searching someone to work for them as a Windows 3.11 administrator and this reality hit media so hard XD
very kool
I always likes DOS .. maybe cuz it was my first 🙂
13:00 in later versions of DOS (I started with IBM DOS 3.30) SYS was able to copy onto the same drive if you have only 1 floppy disk - it just asked you and waited for you to switch diskettes in the drive. So I assume it is possible there as well, as not many people had two floppy drives.
This noob wants to play e2e4 as BLACK after white already opened with e2e4. That's not just wrong it's wrong 2x😂😂
that's the language I first learnt computers on
So apparently 86-DOS was a cheap copy of CP/M. Kildall is an interesting guy.
I thought the version by Galactic Research was the earliest and QDOS was a ripoff.
Early computing is extremely interesting to me...
I was trained in advanced electronics for my line of work and I have a pretty decent grasp on it but there was always sort of a missing link in my mind for the jump between electronics to computing.
I understand the basic concepts but how they actually went about it is interesting although I think it's quite convoluted at times.
The 80’s was such a time to be alive
I remember COM exec files. Can you imagine if we still used those, how confusing it would be for newer generations? They'd confuse file names for websites. lol
Finally! A real operating system with zero bloat.
Bullshit. Shells are bloat. Use batch processing with punch cards readers
@@FLMKane I'm not ready to ascend to this level of enlightenment.
@@JAY0191421 enlightenment?
You reach enlightenment when you realize that computers are bloat. Use abacus
chess is the original bloatware
Love how you had to explain to the youngsters what an A: drive was. Old age…
link for those who want to follow the web page at 3:50
virtuallyfun with the classic top level domain and the below in the url [hope this bypasses youtubes crazy URL block scheme]
86-dos-version-0-11-found
Hope you have a great day & Safe Travels!
I remember the no hard drive days
When I was 3 years old my father told me how to start spider on a Commodore VIC-20 from a cassette tape.
.. and then HDs we had to PARK
Type prompt $p$g to get your command prompt as you where used to in all versions after DOS 3.11
It’s easier for directory structures.
Please do more videos like this, I prefer these types of videos instead of ones about (current events)
Truly an OS worthy of the Mental Outlaw Skibidi Rizz
Maybe this can run in my HP 95LX 8086... Lets try It!
The IMD file is probably a ImageDisk disk image file.
bet when you said "megabyte" and started laughing, bet you were thinking about that tiny pub doing a mega bite out of a laptop
Lol...I graduated in 87' and took a DOS class a few months later the first semester of my freshman year in college that started 8am as my 1st class of the day....big mistake, made me sleepy the entire rest of the day....lol 0's and 1's became sheep and I was asleep.....I had no idea how big the changes were that were coming in the future
love the old retrocomputing stuff. still have an older Commodore 64 that I use on occasion, love this old tech, man!
I'm to lazy. As somebody said below. Tape drive was a good option for home computers. I think Apple II was 140k. The 5.1/2 drives did 320/360k then later was 1.2mb. Now for business they used 8" drives and want to say later disks did 1mb? On a side note. 3.1/2" was 400 / 800 for mac and later 720k / 1.44mb. Plus tons of other sizes / disk formats and physical types.
Technology will never cease to amaze me with both how we we're even able to create such thing physically and with the whole coding
edlin and ed are the best OG editors. I'm going to write a NASA launch script using ed one day.
11:02 COM is indeed short for "Command" BUT in reality in DOS there are 3 type of executable files with extensions: BAT, COM and EXE. Difference being: BAT files are scripts (like bash scripts), you can create one/open/edit with a text editor like EDLIN (which stands for EDit LIne because it was a line-based editor) and a BAT file, still to this day is just a set of command-line commands you execute in the shell (DOS). EXE files were later developed and were a bigger in size , than the COM files. They had also different file signature (first bytes in the file). A C or Pascal program would produce an EXE file after compilation. From what I remember the COM files were smaller and coded in Assembly (could be wrong).
There was a super early microsoft game as a dude in sp1ace with a jetpack, and that is literally about as much as i remember.
crazy that a commercial original OS, which would have been a monumental thing at the time, had no archive in the world till now. I so much as code tic-tac-toe and save it as my big "FIRST RELEASE" lol
I'm pretty sure that most users in 1986 wouldn't have a 3 1/2" 1.44 MB disk drive, since it literally just came out that year. The 5 1/4" disk at 1.2 MB was probably more likely - and that was an actual floppy disk. I remember, since the computer my family got in 1992 had a 5 1/4" drive as well as the 3 1/2" drive.
I'm too young to remember, but my perusing of old text files has taught me that owning multiple disk drives wasn't necessarily all that uncommon in the early and mid 1980s. If you were messing around with 86 DOS, I think chances were pretty good that you and more than one drive. SysOps who were running bulletin board systems needed multiple drives, for example, to keep things up and running.
EDLIN is the compromise we need in the VIM - EMACS debate.
I wish someone would make a giant SD card and reader so we could have something akin to floppy disks again. Something about sliding a disk into your computer and hearing that distinctive click just gives me a cheap thrill.
People had a 5 1/4 double side 720k floppy drive. (DSDD, double side, double density). The 1.2Mb 5 1/4 was obsolete before it even came out, you would just switch to 3.5 instead.
@@telocho That's right.
I don't know why my dad got a computer with both a 5 1/4 drive and a 3.5 drive. It was 1992. My guess is that he didn't know what he was doing.
I got a box of 5 1/4 disks for Christmas that year. I remember that they'd get corrupted really fast.
i use 86-dos btw
inside VM or how?
11:30 you probably miss also CLS - short for CLEARSCREEN - I'm sure this was supported too
An IMD file is an ImageDisk file. I think the only point of it is that you can write it to floppies quicker
I want my ... I want my MTV
I really get a warm fuzzy feeling if I See those 80s Mainboards. Those were so simple and slow days compared to now.
Everything is going so fast now 😢
Then again, those old machines sometimes didn't even have colors - or you would just be able to afford a monochrome CRT screen (12"). Colors are nice.....😂
So, it's not that bad. But it's mind boggling how the whole world changed just by connecting people. It's incredible, let's put it this way.
CP/M is where it's at
TRANS command surely would be used a lot more today...
Whoa, I never knew about this version of DOS! Wait, yes I have. Never heard it called by that name. I only knew QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System)
Wish you would review FreeDOS in the future, it's basically modern FOSS reinterpretation of DOS with additional features
86-DOS and TechImma1st
Isn't it a crappy copy of the CP/M DOS by Digital Research from 1974?
4:53 when you point to the Primary's screws, you point at both types of screws at least once when saying both "adjustment screws" and "lock screws." Confusing. Other than that your vids are groovy.
i actually really love the design of this OS. it's simple and fairly easy to use. really not much going on but not in a bad way. it runs programs and stores files, that's it lol.
At 14min, you're playing black, so... e7 e5 :-D
CP/M was fairly successful too and existed on more platforms than DOS
So are you just not gonna credit neozeed of virtuallyfun? Not even a link to the blogpost?
totally useless today. first i worked with was ms-dos2.1 i think
lol the evil in making 'clear' erase all files instead of clear the shell output
Need help with computer please will do anything
I always liked playing the gorilla game in basic.
Being a man's, man who never reads manuals - I still remember that fateful Summer's day in the 1980's, when I used FDISK to kill my $2000, 32mb HDD, and lose everything, while trying to learn & navigate the OS - Happy Days :)
Ouch.
Today I learned I was a really cool guy back in the day.
Norton commander lol. nobody used dos raw after nc
pls make a video about gentoo binaries.
So basically it's old windows ^_^
hemlo
You should have run this in cool retro term lol
Might have run
Because English
What are its advantages over other 80s OS
EDLIN is still way handier than VI!
IM OLD BUT NOT THAT OLD I DO PLAY WITH OLD OS'S
a rip off of Gary Kildall's CP/M
I'm just early like that
yup
sup
omg it's neco arc
That's very interesting video. As a kid, teachers in school tried to get us started on either this OS or MS-DOS. I do remember that it was very hard for them to keep computers working because of the "clear" command. Even to this day is very hard for me understand why somebody would allow such action.
Concurrent DOS seems cooler imo. DOS with multitasking in in 1986!
So this is the DOS Robocop runs on.
mfw microshaft embraced and extinguished DOS itself.
Gotbletu did DOS in Linux terminal via dosemu on his channel years ago...