So Frostmourne took Arthas' soul when he picked it,so the jailor had an influence on Arthas.The one thing you can really blame Arthas for is the Culling of Stratholme which in my oppinion was the right call,but he should explained Uther what is going on.
@@georgichukarev1975 "I call out to the spirits of this place. I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people". So yes, he knew what he is getting in to it. Vengeance is never the path of Paladin Arthas. He knew what he was doing, and we all pay the price, so many innocent souls die. PS. I love Arthas, this is just my judgment if it was the real life.
The path to hell is full of good intentions sadly. He definitely needs a redemption arc just like Darth Vader had as he was in truth a victim of frostmourne.
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@@Natha_Kun I think it shows what Blizzard has truly become. Old blizzard would have knocked it out of the park but unfortunately the company has been rotted from the inside out. Mike Morhaime took jabs at current blizzard when announcing his new company. My brother who I used to play WC3 doesn't really play games anymore but when he saw the reforge he was actually thinking about buying it. We made so many memories as kids on that game. Passion> greed.
@@cainezyg3310 Maybe not the Jailer but what about others? Shadowlands isn't completely out yet. I mean the thing between him and Sylvanas wasn't completely clear even
Arthas was not just a victim but perhaps the worst affected because he was forced to do those things and then has to live the rest of eternity with that pain and guilt.
@@knockcro Said at the height of his anxiety/desperation to as you pointed out save his people he could have no possible idea the payment would be his own soul there were powers at play manipulating him he didn't even know existed.
@@Mikael22-18 Muradin, Uthar, Jaina, his father and Medivh worn him of hiss doom if he continue this revenge path. Medivh is prophet and he forsee what is he doing. Everey one knew it what will happened, and he is not uneducated character, he was princ, train as Palaidn. Muradin told him that runeblade is cursed, and he should leave this place. So many innocent souls die, blood elf genocid, wrath gate, creating abomination, rage and hate to kill dreadlord even though he knew revenge is not our path, path of Paladin. He freely deliver his soul and body to Lich King. Garosh and Sylvans are small babies compare to his evil doing.
He's was losing his light as he was killing those he thought were infected, which shows his doubts but did it anyways. Then sacrificed everyone who was with him for a chance at revenge, he deff had some darkness to deal with
@@hvyarms4496 No denying that he had darkness we all do but Arthas desire for revenge came from him failing his people which he made a vow in his youth after he lost invincible to never do and it drove him mad.
there's no question, arthas was no more the moment he touched the frostmourne and lost his free will, he definitely doesn't deserve the maw and i'm gonna go ahead and say he shouldn't even go to ravendreth. I hope we will be able to save him this expansion. Also, stratholme was no "sacrifice", all these people would have even worse fate if not for arthas and probably at least like half of them turned into undead even before arthas could get to them anyway
That's not true His humanity was entirely abolished when he rose from the Frozen throne. There was Arthas still inside, it was depicted in the book as a weak and sick child.
Didn't Arthas pay a bunch of mercenaries to burn his army's ships so they couldn't leave, then ordered the army to kill the mercenaries before he touched Frostmourne?
Honestly, Revendreth would be more fitting for Arthas. Get judged to face his sins, likely to express remorse, be sent back to Arbiter, and likely final rest would be in Bastion
I agree. His drive was to save his people no matter the cost, to him even his own soul wasn't as valuable as the lives in his kingdom so Bastion would be the best fit for him. However, before that he would have to go to Revendreth to atone for his sins.
Your kidding right. He manipulated his men in murdering mercenaries before frostmourne. Arthas slaughtered millions. He's worse than sylvanas considering he created her. Fuck Arthas. That's why he's such a good villain. He's an evil piece of shit.
While I consider stratholme a necessary evil. He made to many fucked decisions before frostmourne and than also before he put on the helmet... And thats what it comes down to. He is far from innocent.
Just for the simple fact that the 'angel' faction backdoored him proves he did not deserve the maw, and uther sure as hell didnt deserve the angel 'good' faction (as he gave into and committed an act of evil). As far as im concerned, uther is not longer a paladin as he violated a law far above him.
Arthas: what am i doing father? Terenas: you're succeeding me.. Arthas *takes frostmourne and stabs himself* Arthas: lol wtf dad? Terenas: you gonna rot in the Maw son
@@RavenHUHable I mean, the only really unjustifiable action was the whole slaughtering his mercenaries and burning the ships, which ain't that far from Jaina slaughtering the blood Elves in dalaran.
Claude Wicked The problem there is in the way they brushed jaina’s actions under the rug, not that we justifiably see Arthas as being responsible for his own vices that made him so susceptible to manipulation.
@@wickedAberration The two cannot be compared at all. Jaina did not slaughter innocently. She retaliated to a group that openly went against the neutrality of the Kirin Tor and sided with the Horde. She gave them the option to leave Dalaran, face incarceration and they chose to fight. A great majority that died chose to side with the Horde even after Jaina gave them the option. Dalaran and the Kirin Tor was neutral and Garrosh and the sunreavers chose their fate.
Based on how the rules of the shadowlands work, it sounds like even if he *ultimately* deserved the maw, every soul is entitled to one chance at redemption. So in that regard, no, they cheated him regardless of how terrible he was in life.
... and something tells me that was the start of whatever happened later in the Shadowlands. Remember how Sylvanas killed herself after WoLK and saw Arthas getting punished? She didn't go to the Arbiter, something grabbed her and purposely showed her that, creating the Sylvanas we know afterwards. The one who suddenly was pretty okay with undead because it was better than that what she saw and even started raising new ones.
Just like Tichondrius said, his soul was first one that frostmourne took in reality his body, his shell was only pawn that was doing Nerzhul's biding, I was angry on Uther, Arthas literally went from one hell to another 😢😢😢
except that in the end he wasnt controlled by nerzhul anymore, but controlled all actions himself. Nobbel made a video on that, taking the Novel about Arthas into account. Quick recap: Arthas is in his own "spirit" where he sits on a table with an orc and a child. The orc is nerzhul and the child is his innocent self. Long story short, he kills nerzhul and is then in total control of his actions, the child then tries to convince him to return to the light, as now he can, but Arthas kills the child too, thus killing his own innocence, claiming that its already too late for that.
@@VeryProfessionalGamer Bellulargaming actually made a video recently recounting the book. With the new lore coming in the book is presumed to be from the perspective of Arthas/The lich king and the book makes it seem like Arthas is in full control of his actions, but the new argument is now that Arthas wasn't in full control at all and it was all the jailer. Another hint at this from the book is it stats that after the lich king was defeated by the heroes of Azeroth that Arthas instantly felt the guilt of all the bad he did as the lich king after taking off the helm. The theory claims that the helm of Domination tricks the wearer into thinking they are in control, but in truth the jailer is calling the shots and is the true master of the Lich King. This is backed up from new lines from Bolvar saying that there was another presence in the helm fighting him for control that wasn't Nerzul or Arthas. This also explains why and how Sylvanas beat Bolvar as the lich king. Sylvanas made a deal with the jailer and the jailer gave her power to beat the Lich King because Bolvar was resisting the true purpose of the Lich King and that's what Sylvanas meant by "You are unfit to wear this crown" before destroying it.
arthas deserved it, after stratholme.... no frostmourne who poisoned his mind, no lich king to control him. his lust for revenge brought him to the maw. fuck arthas.
@@alucardzutain6062 imagine that someone close to you was implanted with a bomb that will explode in few hours and kills you, your family and some other people unless the person with the bomb is killed. Now tell me why you believe it is so evil to kill the person instead of letting it die anyway and killing more people?
Statholme may have been a cold hearted move, but he was not wrong. If he wouldnt have purged the city, the entire population, probably thousands of people, would have joined the ranks of the Scourge. Uther may have had good intentions but in the short time left before their evolution into Undead, he couldnt have saved anyone.
In medieval times, during an outbreak, sick people would be literally stoned inside their homes, to stop or at least, try to contain the contamination. And some of those people were not sick. Maybe just had the common cold. Enough for the rest to suspect you and your death sentence was given. If the plague does not kill you, hunger or thirst would. Now imagine an entire city of tens, probably hundreds of thousands of people infected with that plague. Oh and... that plague will genetically alter them into flesh eating zombies that will obey those that want to wipe out humanity itself. So... is it morally wrong to kill those people in order to save the living from a wave of fresh undead troops that will only help adding to their ranks with each death they cause? Probably. But was there any other choice, considering the king and all but ONE of his advisers believed this plague to be nothing more than a local issue? Considering the military was still largely ignorant? Considering communication in these medieval settings to be a problem, nowhere near instantaneous to be truly effective to counter such a threat until it was too late? I think not. Containment failed. Drop the nuke, or we all die. Arthas is innocent in my eyes. Prideful, arrogant, but his heart was to save people. And he felt like dying with each citizen he killed. But in the span of 10min or so, nothing else could be done to save the whole country.
1. I wouldn't call it a "rushed" decision, he literally had no time. 2. It's not him culling the city or not is not the "core" problem, it's the fact that the people he trusted the most had abbandonded him when he needed them the most. 3. He wasn't drivenm its more about him understanding that he had nothing to go back to because everyone had left his side, he only had himself to believe in. He didn't know what would happen, no one could've know, but if Jaina and Uther had stayed by his side he might've never taken Frostmourne. In my honest opinion Arthas never did anything wrong, he did everything with the thought of saving his people, if Garrosh didn't end up in the Maw and I think he did more terrible things, then Arthas doesn't deserve the Maw either.
Arthas gave zero alternative to Jaina and Uther, zero explanation of why it might be justified to slaughter the city. He just expected them to accept his wishes and bend over backwards despite their morals/beliefs. He gave them no understanding of what they were up against, what he had already seen happen it was just "we gotta purge" and expected them to accept that, despite the fact he should have known his "trusted" allies would object without substantial explanation (and no, I don't believe "there was no time to explain!" As an excuse). He was a spoiled brat, let's not pretend that he didn't expect everyone to bend over backwards for him because "he's the heir". There's no introspection, he was weak willed and open to manipulations, his pride and ego is arguably what caused his downfall. He wasn't wary, he never listened to the people he "trusted". Just used and manipulated them to his own ends so he can pretend to be hero, even with the advise given by multiple mentors he supposedly "respected". He sought power and it destroyed him, he got what he deserved. I respect your opinion but Arthas deserves the Maw.
@@fawnieee He doesn't, specially because there was no alternative. That was a situation with no options and no alternativesm besides Jaina KNEW what they were up against and she saw what happened right before being sent to fetch Uther and Uther KNEW too since he came later to save Arthas and even dared tp JUDGE him for trying his best, holding an undead army with very few resources and people. Arthas may be spoiled but he has always thought of his kingdom first, no matter how you slin it Uther and Jaina didn't even try to listen, instead of asking him what was going on Uther yelled "Have you gone mad?" Uther is so deep inside his own ass that he thinks he know better than someone who's seen it all happen and so is Jaina, who instead of trying to figure a way out, just decided to yeet out of there. Uther was sent away, Jaina left. Arthas did nothing wrong and doesn't deserve the Maw.
@@fawnieee You do realise that the city was already infected and turning into undead mere moments after Arthas went in? Do you really think Arthas had the time for a full blown debate or the level of explanation/arguement that would have convinced Uther & Jaina ? I'm all for trying the more 'peaceful' route but once the bullets start flying...you only talk once the bullets have stopped.
@@fawnieee you do realiE that Jaina knows what the f**kery happens before right? She knows what is inside the grains. And what is happening in the Stratholme really is.....
@@madzaisa the book made it clear arthas had a lot of not just flaws but signs of mental health problems. Idk if bastion would be the right fit even if he deserved leaving the maw (he doesnt)
If you think Arthas deserved ot but Garrosh didn't your moral compass is off. Arthas was corrupted, Garrosh was not . At most Arthas deserved Revendreth or Maldraxxus .
@@oddynuff3628 He is but he omits the fact that Arthas chose to be corrupted and he commited genocide before he was corrupted and murdered his soldiers before he was corrupted. Arthas had a choice.
@@silverspear21 lolll, bs, noone asked him or told him it would smoke his mind out.....that last second pedestal warrning after days or searching for it, when it is their last hope vs been recked by a dreadlord, was pure shit, ofc it would not deter Arthas from picking it out of fear, when they are doomed without it anyway. As for the merc betrayal....goood....those mofos ogres nd trolls were old hordes allies at some point, helping in recking human villages, their southern cousins at least and ofc arthy knows it. He is the best lore char ever produced in any frenchies.
Revendreth is where you go to unburden your soul. Unless you are made a venthyr it is not your final destination. Yu ou are sent there if you are to weighed down by sin or to evil to be of use in the other zones. You are cleansed in the crucible of suffering(figurative idk if they have an actual one) and then sent to your proper "heaven"(all zones in the shadowlands are someones heaven, even if it isnt yours). Or you stay there because revendreth is the perfect fit and are remade into a venthyr
Maybe even Maldraxxus. Arthas himself wasn't evil, he was being manipulated and the real him surfaced for a brief moment after his defeat. As someone who, at least deep inside, had good intentions and spent his life looking for power, he would've fit in Maldraxxus.
Maldraxxus, his regret became his power and will to lead armies to defend innocents. Or Revendreath and that he would go Bastion to retrieve souls instead. Heck wouldn't be suprised if he was sent to Bastion directly, let's think bout it. He has regrets for ever going for the sword, so Bastion would offer him to take away the memories and serve the dying as a Kyrian. But here is the other, undead sould get send to the Maw automatically. Every zone would have worked except Nightfae.
@@Finish303 along with him being the most selfless...he was actually ready to sacrifice himself at any point if it was the way to save his people...atleast that's him before picking up frostmourne
@@abdalrahmankhataan7231 Frostmourne took his soul, he isn't complelty blameless because he was warned to not take the cursed sword. But like you said he did it for his people and was tricked/manipulated into becoming a pawn.
When I did my vids on who ends up where I put Arthas in Revendreth. I based the Arbitors judgements on actions prior to being cursed by undeath/old gods etc.
I have one question if Jailor was the one controling Arthas all this time, and plus frostmoure wich is the weapon from the shadowlands, where is in that equation Nher Zul?
As i remeber when he became the lich King he tried to fight it and gave us the needed time thanks to it, also he all the time had (correct me if i remeber this wrong) necklace or smth like that which was somehow bound with his love - jaina, all those things combined with what you said - no, he absolutely did not deserve such fate
It feels like they undermined Uthers character. Cause I think he spoke in icecrown Citadel talking about how he decided to hold the good memory of Arthas in his heart. He didnt really sound very vengeful
The problem is the book Arthas ( I don't know how much of it is canon anymore). There, Arthas "kill" his child form representing his innocence, and Ner Zul, assuming full control as Lich King. Of course, he was still played and made a pawn in a much bigger game, but he embraces his fate, reppenting only in the very end.
he didn't have a soul anymore... it was in the blade. why was it then that the first thing that the lich king did was cut out his own heart? why is it that we meet Matthias Lehner? there is only one explanation, the one in control isn't arthas.
Shadow Gamer Matthias lehner is an anagram for Arthas menethil and a child ghost in icecrown . He represents Arthas human side and innocence. He gives the best quests in icecrown ingame
@Washington Bear frostmourne isn't an entity? how do you know? sword is depicted to learn from the souls of it's victims and is able to executed their techniques flawlessly. plus we know that the runes on the frostmourne, helm of domination and the jailor match. so how can you say that they are not connected?
@Washington Bear what makes the helm of domination an entity? is it a ner'zhul's soul? if so then there are thousands of souls inside Frostmourne some as strong if not stronger than Ner'zhul himself
The game structure sort of reinforces the loss of control by Arthas. He makes a deal with Frostmourne - 'help me kill Mal'Ganis and I'll accept any price'. The human campaign continues only so far as he finishes that one last thing - the last thing he chose to do before taking up the sword - and the story even makes a point of showing that 'Frostmourne' lives up to its end of the bargain. It's after that exact scene that the campaign ends, which is normally when we start following a different character - implying that Arthas after that was a different character. I always figured that Arthas' soul was the first one Frostmourne took, or at least damaged (the way Uther's was), and that's why his personality changes so much.
Let him rot in the Maw, Uther my boy deserved better and Arthus was a punk ass bitch before his corruption. This video from blizzard is probably one of the best things they have done in years (IMO) and if they go back on it to free Arthus or redeem him it will retroactively ruin this amazing moment. I actually love Arthus, like a lot but in the way I like a horror movie villain. He should be this badass unstoppable being of pure evil and to muddy that water would suck a lot.
if uther deserved a spot in the bastion, which if you ask me, considering his actions in heartglen and stratholme(the fact that he knew about Mal'ganis being in stratholme and didn't even do jack shit to help; if he was a paragon of justice like people claim, then why didn't he try to evacuate those that were going to be slaughtered 'unjustly'(according to him at least)?) seem a little bit doubtful to say the least, then arthas for sure did deserve a place somewhere else. If not in the bastion then at the very least in the undead realms
Yeah, it was a dilemma of Stratholme, how else you were supposed to deal with the unknown disease? You couldn't heal or save them, and they would've died slowly instead. Even though Arthas's action was cruel, it might've given some of the people the sweet release from the deadly disease, while others were succumbed to undeath.
Had uther acted against arthas after he was stripped of rank and the order disbanded by arthas it would have been called high treason and be grounds for execution. If uther acted, uther would die for nothing
@@ConnorNotyerbidness mate,he is a paragon of Justice is he not? then what does a paragon of justice hold most dearly? is it his life? is it loyalty? or is it justice? why didn't he smuggle civilians out of the city? why did he leave the city without caring about what would happen to the citizens that would be executed unjustly? tell me does this fit a paragon of justice? is this how you imagine a saint that was deemed to be worthy of a bastion to act?
@@peagames2002 it wasn't about dieing slowly. arthas knew that transformation was swift, that's why he didn't sit there and debate whether or not he should call Mages of Dalaran to solve the dilemma. sadly, uther knew as well if not as much, he knew where Mal'ganis was at the very least, yet didn't give two fucks about it.
@@zeppelinled3967 and again i say- if uther did anything he would have been executed and it wouldnt have done any good. His death would accomplish nothing and would also mean he wouldnt be around to help after arthas further went off the deep end- which uther fully recognized that arthas was now seriously dangerous even to his own people. And arguably loyalty goes hand in hand with justice. He admits there are commands he wont follow but also everyone there who walked away also admitted that they Saw no other solution. Culling stratholme may have been the right decision, even if it felt like the wrong one. But uther wasnt gonna be the one to make that choice for the people and neither was jaina. So they walked away.
He actually did some bad things before taking Frostmourne. He lied to his men and refused orders to go home, so he hired some mercenaries to burn down their ships so his men couldn't go back, then he tells his men that the mercenaries were at fault so he killed them. Arthas having a redemption arc is okay but I want people to be a bit skeptical here because did bad things by his own accord too.
Well he did purge an entire city, got consumed by rage and a few other things. However, frostmourne took over as soon as he touched it. Everything after that is up for discussion. He even kept a few items that reminded him of his old life.
Something is going wrong in Shadow Lands and everyone is going straight to the Maw. One of the main objectives is to figure out who is behind it and then put a stop to it. Thus returning order to the afterlife. Then on to the next expansion
-He killed his father -he killed his friend when getting frostmourne and his men -he killed uther the lightbringer -he killed saurfang -he killed the kid in him and nherzul and took out his own heart -he slaughtered an entire city -he destroyed lorderon -he took out 90% of the high elves Idk dude he did a lot. Yes he was the lich king so he wasn’t really himself but he had to be aware to an extent when he ended up taking his own heart out cmon. Maybe not the maw ONLY cuz of how he was as a paladin obvi cuz his entire life wasn’t evil but def not bastion imo
Wasn't it stated that by the time he was defeated, Arthas was in complete control of the Lich King as he had essentially defeated Nerzuls soul. Wouldnt that be confirmation that he deserves to be in the Maw seeing as he ripped out his own heart so he could get away from his human emotions and be able to be more ruthless and cruel? Isn't the Maw there specifically for people like this? Death bed repentance does not redeem people from this scale of death and destruction
I think Revendreth would've been the place for him. Most of his crimes was due to him losing his soul to frostmourne and being manupulated. But even before all of that he still forced the culling of Stratholme, which regardless if you think it was a positive thing or not, was still genocide and would be punished in the eyes of "justice".
then wouldn't abandoning citizens who were going to be unjustly slaughtered and not even looking back at it be punished in the eyes of the said justice? no one looks at the fact that Uther was a paragon of Justice, yet he didn't give a damn about justice as it seems. he perfectly knew about where Mal'ganis was and it was apparent(duh) that he was up to no good.(if you don't believe me you can check Heartglen mission's ending) yet did jack shit about it, and when arthas ordered the purge he didn't even doubt it and not to mention that even if he didn't want to kill innocents, he still had a duty to do what was just and he didn't do jack shit, apart from gathering bodies when the city was razed to the ground. and that guy who gave 0 fucks deserved Bastion? come on...
Arthas was a victim of his own wrath. He choose vengeance over his soul and his people. Ironically, that ended with him never actually being able to kill Mal'Ganis.
"The Light has struck a deal with the enemy of all" They are probably going to tie all this together. The light, for some unknown reason (probably in order to fight the void in the end), decides to help the Jailor escape the Maw. One of Light's champions (Arthas) has been manipulated into taking up Frostmourne, killing his mentor Uther, and splitting his soul in half. Then, Uther and Devos have been manipulated into taking Arthas' soul and throwing him in the Maw. This act of throwing Arthas into the Maw is probably something that the Jailor needed in order to start his plan to escape. Which is all stupid by the way... it obviously wasn't planned this way back, and it makes the whole WotLK expansion meaningless (the quests with Mathias Lehner were really cool, but now they just seem silly if this was all orchestrated even before WC3 even began)
Not only does the shadowlands expansion make wotlk meaningless, it makes most of the lore meaningless. The shadowlands didnt even exist in Blizzards mind in Legion, they became a thing in BFA when blizzard realized they are about to reach their natural conclusion of the story, and that is 1 expansion (which should be shadowlands 1) where we deal with N'zoth and the old gods, 1 filler expansion (Garrosh 3.0) and then the void lords, but blizzard wants many more expansions so they decided to basically retcon EVERYTHING...
Garrosh is not there to have his soul redeemed. He is there against his will and was supposed to go to the MAW. They forced him to be in Revendreth so they could continue to leech off of him because he has a lot of evil and has committed a lot of evil.
@@john-fi2ni The afterlives video they put out and common sense. If the souls are redeemed once they are done atoning then why is Garrosh not being redeemed and why is he kept there permanently as a source of anima?
@@silverspear21 Because redemption takes decades or even centuries for some. It's said so in revendreth storyline. All those going through "redemption" are used as a source of anima. Also acting like garrosh was more evil than Arthas when from a military perspective he did nothing wrong until the shit with the Sha.
Jaina: "Arthas I can't watch you purge the city from humans that are already doomed and will turn undead and spread the plague, instead let me go here and purge some innocent blood elves from a different city."
@@silverspear21 They didn't choose the horde, they didn't even do anything at all when the horde moved troops through dalaran, Garrosh told them to not do anything or hell kill them so they didn't do anything. Meanwhile Dalaran sent Bloodelves as troops to theramire to fight the horse. Jet Jaina claimed that theramore was a neutral city as the entire reasoning why she is purging them. Plus not all the Bloodelves even knew about it, only a few of those Bloodelves knew yet she killed and imprisoned all of them. But hei, what can you expect from the Alliance, it was the Alliance that drove the Bloodelves to the horde in the first place with their racism towards highelves.
@@harz632 1. Jaina was not part of the Alliance so claiming the whole Alliance and racism does not fit. 2. Jaina did give them an option. Go back and read the quests and do the entire quest line from both sides. Those that chose to stay with the horde were jailed or killed if they fought back. 3. Garrosh used the sunreavers which were supposed to be neutral and claimed to be as well. 4. True not all blood elves knew about it but their leader did and again those that were punished had picked the Horde instead of remain neutral.
@@silverspear21 1.For Jaina not being part of the alliance she was really sympathetic and supportive of them. 2. Ah yes, a amazing choice, hei you innocent person over there give up all your lives achievement, and be imprisoned or I kill you. If you say that was a choislce, then did you know that Hitler gave the Jews a choice too? He told them to leave Germany before imprisoning and killing them.
@@harz632 1. Of course she was but she was more supportive of peace between the two factions. Did you forget she basically allowed her father to die in the name of peace? Jaina supports peace not one faction, or at least she did back then. Both factions were Neutral and were supposed to remain neutral while in Dalaran and both of the magi factions from Dalaran the Silver covenant and the Sunreavers were supposed to be neutral as well. 2. The choice was to leave the city, or go to prison. They chose to side with the Horde so they were the enemy since the Horde had already started the conflict. Even on the Horde quest side you see this better than you do on the Alliance side. 3. Did the Jews side with an evil faction that had just broken peace and started another conflict and stolen a WMD? The Jews did not side with anyone evil nor did they pick a side they were just there. The people in Dalaran picked the Horde which were evil. They had already used a WMD and were seeking to use another. Huge difference.
Why is everyone choosing to judge arthas based on his actions? Remember, his intentions were pure. He wanted to save his people, to heal them from the undeath plague that was affecting his people. His intentions were pure. And no, he does not deserve the Maw. That's just sick. Even Garrosh made it to Revendreath. And he was just..... Uggh. #JUSTICEforArthas
With the way that the Cinematic framed what Uther and Devos did as a requirement to ensure he goes to the maw, its highly likely that the Shadowlands systems function so that NO SOUL will ever go straight to the maw, its likely that every single soul is given one last chance in Revendreth and if they never atone then they are sent to the maw, this is likely the case given that Devos was adament that her and Uther had to be the ones that did it, as if he would not of been sent to the Maw UNLESS they saw to it themselves.
Anyone else felt extremely sad when Uther said "He was my student" like for a moment it seem like he kinda doubted but the betrayal was so inmense ... the way they drew the expresion on his face.. fuck man.. that moment there gave me chills and sadness
@Lycan I wonder why uther didn't stay to stop or convince arthas. Seemed a bit out of character for him to just ragequit on the city and his own student like that
I'm pretty sure the entire point of the Bastion cinematic was that Arthas did not. He was unjustly (ironically by Uther talking about justice) thrown in there which I believe played a role in the breaking of the system
But wasn’t it in wrath of the much king that it showed that it was arthas, fully conscious of his decision, when it showed that he threw the last of his humanity away, as well as destroyed naz’gul, only he was the lich king, not some shared entity in the rnd
If Garrosh Hellscream, whose intentions were conquest, bloodshed and hatred of all non-orc life, and Kael'thas Sunstrider, who betrayed his own people to join the Burning Legion are judged by The Arbiter as deserving a chance of redemption, then Arthas, who did grim things in Stratholme in the interest of containing the Plague of Undeath and whose will was not his own the moment he picked up Frostmourne for the first time definitely deserves to drag a sinstone around Revendreth for a bit.
Before Arthas finally took in the Lich King, he had to rid himself of his purities. The book talks about a dream he has where he sits with Ner'zhul and himself. Even though he had already committed his crimes, the boy represented his sense of remorse. Definitely a different fate if it wasn't for The Legion. I do hope we come across Arthas again in Shadowlands. Ally or foe, he deserves to be back in the game!
I feel like Maldraxxus would be the best place for him, he was a talented warrior and incredible strategist, his intentions were for his people and was willing to sacrifice everything for them, I wouldn't exactly put him in Bastion since he did some pretty bad stuff even before even knowing about Frostmourne.
Im torn between wanting to leave him and his story the way it is and wanting him to have a redemption arc. I also really want to see Jaina and him reunite
Its just arthas represented all the edginess in wow without even having try really hard. Now in today that wow has lost all of its edge i find hard to believe they can replicate and improve his success.
The actual question is: Who exactly would have been judged by Arbiter, if Uther didn't do the thing? The person who Atrhas was right before his hand touched Frostmorne? Or did he managed to regain some of his persona later? Because, AFAIK, after death they separate souls from any other influence.
I think that is the entire reason why they bypassed the Arbiter and went straight to the maw, because Arthas would have been deemed pure, what Arthas did prior to Frostmourne is basically the same strict absolute reasoning Bastion itself uses. That's why it wasn't justice they brought upon Arthas when they threw him into the Maw because they knew that if they didn't throw him into the Maw he would not be sent there.
@@harz632 I think pure is a bit much but i agree that it wouldn't be the Maw waiting for him. He probably would have ended in one of the other places, maybe the Vampire place. The Maw is for people who are unforgivable Evil and considering who "didn't" end up there that's a very hard critera.
Imo he would have been judged on his actions before Frostmourne and being Lich King. It depends on how much control he had but I doubt he had much, if any, as LK. Now, if that's the case then he would've been sent to Ravendreth to attone because he still did bad things as a Paladin before taking Frostmourne.
I see that most of people watch these youtube videos about Arthas and see only the part of story where he was corrupted by Frostmourne. In reality Arthas started chasing Mal’Ghanis only because of his vengeance, arrogance, ambitions. He never really cared about his people, that’s why he was so eager to “purge” them without trying to save them from plague. After that he killed Muradin, betrayed some mercenaries and sacrificed his own people only to have his revenge. He even admits it in Warcraft III dialogues and all that BEFORE the took Frostmourne. Not to mention that he did took it intentionally and willingly accepted the curse to prove his power and have his vengeance.
he didn't deserve the maw and also uther and that angel interfered in arthas's afterlife and uther didn't get any of the context that we did in the end so it feels bad the entire situation
I’m hoping that we can convince Uther that what he did to Arthas was wrong and he comes with us to the maw to save him maybe even sacrificing himself to save him.
If u watch the frost dk legendary artifact u see nurzul forcing Arthus to take the sword even when he says i can't the darkness is too much. So yeah i think arthus knew he made a mistake but couldn't go back
I definitely think he does deserve the maw for everything he did. The only crime of his I'm willing to pardon him for is Stratholm, can't really blame him for that
@I Matei well it was his fault tho, and what he did to Bronzebeard too. I kinda believe in the " the end justifies the means " but in the end it was all his fault to me.
@I Matei I don't think they do, I like them both but I do think that they deserved the maw. Especially Garrosh cuz at least Grom " fixed " his mess and showed remorse. And I know Arthas did what he did to save his people, but in the end he deserves his punishment, it's called Justice . It was written the sword and the protectors of the place told him : don't pick or you're fucked
@I Matei you're really fired up. Still, we're responsible of our decisions, he's not responsible for being manipulated you say ? I say he is responsible for it. It was written on the pedestal that the weapon was far more than just a blade, the shadows of the cave told them that they not protecting the sword but the peoples. Yeah he was manipulated, but because he chose to ignore the warnings, if someone walks up to a dangerous cliff where it is written that it is dangerous and he could fall, then if he falls it's his fault. Arthas chose his fate, he could've say " Alright, it's too dangerous, let's head back and find another way " but he decided to pick the blade instead. So yeah, he does deserve what is happening to him, it's only Justice . And even in the end he didn't show the slightest remorse, all he said was " I see only darkness around me" not a single " I messed up " kinda quote. So yeah, he deserves the maw
I think the biggest problem is he didn't have the chance to go through venthyr. That should have been his choice. But also his actions largely manipulated by the Jailor. Also undead go to the Maw automatically which is completely unfair
Oh please, he willingly killed Muradin, even after being told by the guardians and his dwarf friend too. He still did it... A cursed soul can go only to the maw... He accepted the curse williingly.
Frostmourne mind controls. Look what kingsmourne did to anduin when he tried to resist. Sword glows blue. Arthas's blue glowing eyes faded at thesame time the blue glowing shattered frostmourne faded. And then he asked his father of the nightmare was over. Arthas loved his father. Thats why he pulled him. Like he was trapped mind controlled like Hawkeye was from loki. However arthas is not mind controlled like hawkeye by loki or by another being. He is being held corrupted and put in a "sunken place" by the Sword!!!! (anduin sword glows blue and his armor, you can see that blue light on them) HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?? LOOK AT ANDUINS EYES AFTER HE KILLS THE ARCHON ruclips.net/video/cbkQEgf_TAs/видео.html Yeah that's right. It wasn't arthas's fault.. it was frostmourne and the lich king fault.. Look at the eyes and frostmournes glow ruclips.net/video/8MUc-rQD8j0/видео.html&feature=emb_title It mind controlled him When he was walking here he was mind controlled as he hears all of his friends telling him to go back ruclips.net/video/HjtnfgBJaYw/видео.html After arthas kills malganis look what it said. ruclips.net/video/4TCmlY9MUyU/видео.htmlm06s You cant judge arthas. That's like judging boromir when he was trying to take the ring off frodo. That's like judging a mind controlled Hawkeye by loki in 2012 avengers for killing people. Unless you've been mind controlled and broke from it then you can judge him. Also these are superhuman. You wont break out of frostmourne. It makes a cocaine addiction look like pre school.
If you read rise of the lich king you will find after stratholme the light kinda abandoned him but when the shards of ice around frostmourner wounded muradin badly the light start to glow in his hands and he had chance to save muradin (thankfully he lived) but he chise not to. He said he must let muradin die, to be the price he has to pay. He willingly let muradin out there to die. Also when he was inside his mind with nerzul and last part of good in him he not only killed that part but he also killed nerzul to take control over the lich king. Agaib he willingly did this. So yeah, arthas kinda deserve his fate
I Matei as far as i red is part of arthas good which he killed willingly and after betrayed nerzul to asume full control over the lich king. Frostmourne is no escuse. He had the chance to save muradin and leave but he chose not to
![The Story of The Jailer aka Zovaal [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3gkKLfywZBI/mqdefault.jpg)
What do you guys think, did Arthas really deserve his fate in the Shadowlands? Vote on the community tab poll!
wow:"hey look we reforged wow 3 and now you can use it to make videos look nicer
Doron:"no i dont think i will"
@@todd5640 kinda based ngl
So Frostmourne took Arthas' soul when he picked it,so the jailor had an influence on Arthas.The one thing you can really blame Arthas for is the Culling of Stratholme which in my oppinion was the right call,but he should explained Uther what is going on.
YES! Do I want to se him in Maw? NO
@@georgichukarev1975 "I call out to the spirits of this place. I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people". So yes, he knew what he is getting in to it. Vengeance is never the path of Paladin Arthas. He knew what he was doing, and we all pay the price, so many innocent souls die. PS. I love Arthas, this is just my judgment if it was the real life.
The path to hell is full of good intentions sadly. He definitely needs a redemption arc just like Darth Vader had as he was in truth a victim of frostmourne.
Pozdrav, nice to see you here.
@@Doronsmovies Always buraz! Jedva cekam bre Shadowlands zbog nostalgije malo! Samo cepaj bre sa videima a mozemo realno i neki collab da radimo ili live stream zajedno :D
@@Doronsmovies so ti ladno sa Balkanaa? 😁 Svaka čast brate, ogromna podrška!
@@037lazar I ja baš gledam :D. Iako da, naglasak vuče na Istočnu Europu. :D
Супер яко, балканджии сме се събрали. 😄
a small part of me is pleased that you used footage from the original warcraft 3 instead of promoting the disaster that was warcraft 3 reforged.
*refunded*
Yeah reforged might be the most selling game if it was done properly and be the peak of blizzards games
@@Natha_Kun I think it shows what Blizzard has truly become. Old blizzard would have knocked it out of the park but unfortunately the company has been rotted from the inside out. Mike Morhaime took jabs at current blizzard when announcing his new company. My brother who I used to play WC3 doesn't really play games anymore but when he saw the reforge he was actually thinking about buying it. We made so many memories as kids on that game. Passion> greed.
Reforged has shit voice acting. I have no idea why they didn't reuse the original voices
Imagine if we have to travel into the maw to retrieve Arthas...oh my days.
If that happens, I will return back to play WoW for real. Lmao
@@peagames2002 we are going to the maw so,yes we will see him for sure...
There is no way they will not show arthas
Maybe Arthas will be our guide in the maw
If They are still doing things with Arthas of course we will do something with Arthas.
Kel’Thuzad definitely deserves the Maw thought.
Hah true
Maybe he got it even, maybe he got to Maldraxxus after a deal with the Jailer
@@Ghosthee His thought is: "I told you my death would mean little".
@@Umirua naw the jailer can't escape. He wouldn't be able to get him out
@@cainezyg3310 Maybe not the Jailer but what about others? Shadowlands isn't completely out yet. I mean the thing between him and Sylvanas wasn't completely clear even
Arthas was not just a victim but perhaps the worst affected because he was forced to do those things and then has to live the rest of eternity with that pain and guilt.
"I call out to the spirits of this place. I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people" he knew what he was doing.
@@knockcro Said at the height of his anxiety/desperation to as you pointed out save his people he could have no possible idea the payment would be his own soul there were powers at play manipulating him he didn't even know existed.
@@Mikael22-18 Muradin, Uthar, Jaina, his father and Medivh worn him of hiss doom if he continue this revenge path. Medivh is prophet and he forsee what is he doing. Everey one knew it what will happened, and he is not uneducated character, he was princ, train as Palaidn. Muradin told him that runeblade is cursed, and he should leave this place. So many innocent souls die, blood elf genocid, wrath gate, creating abomination, rage and hate to kill dreadlord even though he knew revenge is not our path, path of Paladin. He freely deliver his soul and body to Lich King. Garosh and Sylvans are small babies compare to his evil doing.
He's was losing his light as he was killing those he thought were infected, which shows his doubts but did it anyways. Then sacrificed everyone who was with him for a chance at revenge, he deff had some darkness to deal with
@@hvyarms4496 No denying that he had darkness we all do but Arthas desire for revenge came from him failing his people which he made a vow in his youth after he lost invincible to never do and it drove him mad.
Uther when casting Arthas into the maw: "GOODBYE JOJO!!"
Such unexpected commen like it anyway
DIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Uther: Not Vengeance! JUSTICE!
Arthas: No! Jailer, ZA WARUDO TOKI YO TOMARE!
Uther and Devos: What the Fu..../Time stops/
_To be continued..._
there's no question, arthas was no more the moment he touched the frostmourne and lost his free will, he definitely doesn't deserve the maw and i'm gonna go ahead and say he shouldn't even go to ravendreth. I hope we will be able to save him this expansion.
Also, stratholme was no "sacrifice", all these people would have even worse fate if not for arthas and probably at least like half of them turned into undead even before arthas could get to them anyway
That's not true
His humanity was entirely abolished when he rose from the Frozen throne. There was Arthas still inside, it was depicted in the book as a weak and sick child.
Apparently Bolvar is the guide of this xpac, I personally think arthas will become the guide for the last half when we venture into the maw
I wouldn’t doubt it if bolvar and arthas work together to defeat the jailer
Didn't Arthas pay a bunch of mercenaries to burn his army's ships so they couldn't leave, then ordered the army to kill the mercenaries before he touched Frostmourne?
@@niydfass1060 Correct.
An Karanir Thanagor!
Honestly, Revendreth would be more fitting for Arthas.
Get judged to face his sins, likely to express remorse, be sent back to Arbiter, and likely final rest would be in Bastion
I agree. His drive was to save his people no matter the cost, to him even his own soul wasn't as valuable as the lives in his kingdom so Bastion would be the best fit for him. However, before that he would have to go to Revendreth to atone for his sins.
Your kidding right. He manipulated his men in murdering mercenaries before frostmourne.
Arthas slaughtered millions.
He's worse than sylvanas considering he created her.
Fuck Arthas. That's why he's such a good villain.
He's an evil piece of shit.
While I consider stratholme a necessary evil. He made to many fucked decisions before frostmourne and than also before he put on the helmet...
And thats what it comes down to. He is far from innocent.
Just for the simple fact that the 'angel' faction backdoored him proves he did not deserve the maw, and uther sure as hell didnt deserve the angel 'good' faction (as he gave into and committed an act of evil). As far as im concerned, uther is not longer a paladin as he violated a law far above him.
Arthas: what am i doing father?
Terenas: you're succeeding me.. Arthas
*takes frostmourne and stabs himself*
Arthas: lol wtf dad?
Terenas: you gonna rot in the Maw son
Who decided that
A god damn *Glad I could make it , Arthas* reference , nice.
No he didn't but everyone glances over the fact he was corrupted by Frostmourne and thinks he suddenly just wanted to screw everyone over.
oh yes because he didn't do anything fucked up before he wielded Frostmourne
@@RavenHUHable I mean, the only really unjustifiable action was the whole slaughtering his mercenaries and burning the ships, which ain't that far from Jaina slaughtering the blood Elves in dalaran.
Claude Wicked
The problem there is in the way they brushed jaina’s actions under the rug, not that we justifiably see Arthas as being responsible for his own vices that made him so susceptible to manipulation.
I thought he was corrupted by the power he got and more importantly the armor of the Lich King.
@@wickedAberration The two cannot be compared at all. Jaina did not slaughter innocently. She retaliated to a group that openly went against the neutrality of the Kirin Tor and sided with the Horde. She gave them the option to leave Dalaran, face incarceration and they chose to fight. A great majority that died chose to side with the Horde even after Jaina gave them the option. Dalaran and the Kirin Tor was neutral and Garrosh and the sunreavers chose their fate.
Based on how the rules of the shadowlands work, it sounds like even if he *ultimately* deserved the maw, every soul is entitled to one chance at redemption. So in that regard, no, they cheated him regardless of how terrible he was in life.
... and something tells me that was the start of whatever happened later in the Shadowlands. Remember how Sylvanas killed herself after WoLK and saw Arthas getting punished? She didn't go to the Arbiter, something grabbed her and purposely showed her that, creating the Sylvanas we know afterwards. The one who suddenly was pretty okay with undead because it was better than that what she saw and even started raising new ones.
Just like Tichondrius said, his soul was first one that frostmourne took in reality his body, his shell was only pawn that was doing Nerzhul's biding, I was angry on Uther, Arthas literally went from one hell to another 😢😢😢
except that in the end he wasnt controlled by nerzhul anymore, but controlled all actions himself. Nobbel made a video on that, taking the Novel about Arthas into account. Quick recap: Arthas is in his own "spirit" where he sits on a table with an orc and a child. The orc is nerzhul and the child is his innocent self. Long story short, he kills nerzhul and is then in total control of his actions, the child then tries to convince him to return to the light, as now he can, but Arthas kills the child too, thus killing his own innocence, claiming that its already too late for that.
@@VeryProfessionalGamer je considered himself quilty by slaughtering Stratholme and going into Northrend to get his revenge
@@VeryProfessionalGamer In the end what was stopping the scourge destroying azeroth was Arthas last piece of humanity.
@@VeryProfessionalGamer Bellulargaming actually made a video recently recounting the book. With the new lore coming in the book is presumed to be from the perspective of Arthas/The lich king and the book makes it seem like Arthas is in full control of his actions, but the new argument is now that Arthas wasn't in full control at all and it was all the jailer. Another hint at this from the book is it stats that after the lich king was defeated by the heroes of Azeroth that Arthas instantly felt the guilt of all the bad he did as the lich king after taking off the helm. The theory claims that the helm of Domination tricks the wearer into thinking they are in control, but in truth the jailer is calling the shots and is the true master of the Lich King. This is backed up from new lines from Bolvar saying that there was another presence in the helm fighting him for control that wasn't Nerzul or Arthas. This also explains why and how Sylvanas beat Bolvar as the lich king. Sylvanas made a deal with the jailer and the jailer gave her power to beat the Lich King because Bolvar was resisting the true purpose of the Lich King and that's what Sylvanas meant by "You are unfit to wear this crown" before destroying it.
Arthas, High King of the Alliance.
Another life, another time
Would’ve loved to see that timeline.
Did Arthas deserve The Maw? No. Did the Lich King deserve The Maw? Absolutely.
arthas deserved it, after stratholme.... no frostmourne who poisoned his mind, no lich king to control him. his lust for revenge brought him to the maw. fuck arthas.
@@alucardzutain6062 imagine that someone close to you was implanted with a bomb that will explode in few hours and kills you, your family and some other people unless the person with the bomb is killed. Now tell me why you believe it is so evil to kill the person instead of letting it die anyway and killing more people?
Statholme may have been a cold hearted move, but he was not wrong. If he wouldnt have purged the city, the entire population, probably thousands of people, would have joined the ranks of the Scourge. Uther may have had good intentions but in the short time left before their evolution into Undead, he couldnt have saved anyone.
They needed to die
In medieval times, during an outbreak, sick people would be literally stoned inside their homes, to stop or at least, try to contain the contamination. And some of those people were not sick. Maybe just had the common cold. Enough for the rest to suspect you and your death sentence was given. If the plague does not kill you, hunger or thirst would. Now imagine an entire city of tens, probably hundreds of thousands of people infected with that plague. Oh and... that plague will genetically alter them into flesh eating zombies that will obey those that want to wipe out humanity itself. So... is it morally wrong to kill those people in order to save the living from a wave of fresh undead troops that will only help adding to their ranks with each death they cause? Probably. But was there any other choice, considering the king and all but ONE of his advisers believed this plague to be nothing more than a local issue? Considering the military was still largely ignorant? Considering communication in these medieval settings to be a problem, nowhere near instantaneous to be truly effective to counter such a threat until it was too late? I think not. Containment failed. Drop the nuke, or we all die. Arthas is innocent in my eyes. Prideful, arrogant, but his heart was to save people. And he felt like dying with each citizen he killed. But in the span of 10min or so, nothing else could be done to save the whole country.
As the old saying goes, "The road to hell, is paved with good intentions"
1. I wouldn't call it a "rushed" decision, he literally had no time. 2. It's not him culling the city or not is not the "core" problem, it's the fact that the people he trusted the most had abbandonded him when he needed them the most. 3. He wasn't drivenm its more about him understanding that he had nothing to go back to because everyone had left his side, he only had himself to believe in. He didn't know what would happen, no one could've know, but if Jaina and Uther had stayed by his side he might've never taken Frostmourne.
In my honest opinion Arthas never did anything wrong, he did everything with the thought of saving his people, if Garrosh didn't end up in the Maw and I think he did more terrible things, then Arthas doesn't deserve the Maw either.
Yeap.
Arthas gave zero alternative to Jaina and Uther, zero explanation of why it might be justified to slaughter the city. He just expected them to accept his wishes and bend over backwards despite their morals/beliefs. He gave them no understanding of what they were up against, what he had already seen happen it was just "we gotta purge" and expected them to accept that, despite the fact he should have known his "trusted" allies would object without substantial explanation (and no, I don't believe "there was no time to explain!" As an excuse).
He was a spoiled brat, let's not pretend that he didn't expect everyone to bend over backwards for him because "he's the heir". There's no introspection, he was weak willed and open to manipulations, his pride and ego is arguably what caused his downfall. He wasn't wary, he never listened to the people he "trusted". Just used and manipulated them to his own ends so he can pretend to be hero, even with the advise given by multiple mentors he supposedly "respected". He sought power and it destroyed him, he got what he deserved.
I respect your opinion but Arthas deserves the Maw.
@@fawnieee He doesn't, specially because there was no alternative. That was a situation with no options and no alternativesm besides Jaina KNEW what they were up against and she saw what happened right before being sent to fetch Uther and Uther KNEW too since he came later to save Arthas and even dared tp JUDGE him for trying his best, holding an undead army with very few resources and people.
Arthas may be spoiled but he has always thought of his kingdom first, no matter how you slin it Uther and Jaina didn't even try to listen, instead of asking him what was going on Uther yelled "Have you gone mad?"
Uther is so deep inside his own ass that he thinks he know better than someone who's seen it all happen and so is Jaina, who instead of trying to figure a way out, just decided to yeet out of there. Uther was sent away, Jaina left.
Arthas did nothing wrong and doesn't deserve the Maw.
@@fawnieee You do realise that the city was already infected and turning into undead mere moments after Arthas went in?
Do you really think Arthas had the time for a full blown debate or the level of explanation/arguement that would have convinced Uther & Jaina ?
I'm all for trying the more 'peaceful' route but once the bullets start flying...you only talk once the bullets have stopped.
@@fawnieee you do realiE that Jaina knows what the f**kery happens before right? She knows what is inside the grains. And what is happening in the Stratholme really is.....
Ik its a stretch but i think arthas would og gone to bastion
I agree.
If we judge Arthas as he was before *any* interference to his mind and soul, this is plausible scenario.
i image arthas in bastion as some sort of holy dk like one of orginal horsemans with bastion theme skeletal horse and sword, etc stuff
@@madzaisa the book made it clear arthas had a lot of not just flaws but signs of mental health problems. Idk if bastion would be the right fit even if he deserved leaving the maw (he doesnt)
We need arthas a redemption arc. His name character everything oozes the greatest paladin of the light
Arthas was aware of his actions. He died unrepentant.
If the Arbiter was around, Arthas would still land in the Maw
If you think Arthas deserved ot but Garrosh didn't your moral compass is off. Arthas was corrupted, Garrosh was not . At most Arthas deserved Revendreth or Maldraxxus .
Are u crazy?
@@ashbringer78 hes right
@@oddynuff3628 He is but he omits the fact that Arthas chose to be corrupted and he commited genocide before he was corrupted and murdered his soldiers before he was corrupted. Arthas had a choice.
@@silverspear21 lolll, bs, noone asked him or told him it would smoke his mind out.....that last second pedestal warrning after days or searching for it, when it is their last hope vs been recked by a dreadlord, was pure shit, ofc it would not deter Arthas from picking it out of fear, when they are doomed without it anyway. As for the merc betrayal....goood....those mofos ogres nd trolls were old hordes allies at some point, helping in recking human villages, their southern cousins at least and ofc arthy knows it. He is the best lore char ever produced in any frenchies.
I know a lot of people are saying he should've went to revendreth, but I honestly feel like he would've gone to maldraxxus.
Revendreth is where you go to unburden your soul.
Unless you are made a venthyr it is not your final destination.
Yu ou are sent there if you are to weighed down by sin or to evil to be of use in the other zones.
You are cleansed in the crucible of suffering(figurative idk if they have an actual one) and then sent to your proper "heaven"(all zones in the shadowlands are someones heaven, even if it isnt yours). Or you stay there because revendreth is the perfect fit and are remade into a venthyr
He should have been in Revendreth at least.
Maybe even Maldraxxus. Arthas himself wasn't evil, he was being manipulated and the real him surfaced for a brief moment after his defeat. As someone who, at least deep inside, had good intentions and spent his life looking for power, he would've fit in Maldraxxus.
Seeing what Revendreth does to Garrosh, i dont think it is that much better than the Maw though :p
Maldraxxus, his regret became his power and will to lead armies to defend innocents. Or Revendreath and that he would go Bastion to retrieve souls instead. Heck wouldn't be suprised if he was sent to Bastion directly, let's think bout it. He has regrets for ever going for the sword, so Bastion would offer him to take away the memories and serve the dying as a Kyrian. But here is the other, undead sould get send to the Maw automatically. Every zone would have worked except Nightfae.
@@Finish303 along with him being the most selfless...he was actually ready to sacrifice himself at any point if it was the way to save his people...atleast that's him before picking up frostmourne
@@abdalrahmankhataan7231 Frostmourne took his soul, he isn't complelty blameless because he was warned to not take the cursed sword. But like you said he did it for his people and was tricked/manipulated into becoming a pawn.
Knowing our luck when we raid the Jailer he'll be the body guard or a general or something we have to kill again.
with h0w time w0rks in the maw maby arthas is the jailer!!!
Did the jailer really deserve the maw? To be continued 🙌
Jailer: Excuse me sir. But I am Maw itself.
No! Not into the Maw! It Burns!
When I did my vids on who ends up where I put Arthas in Revendreth. I based the Arbitors judgements on actions prior to being cursed by undeath/old gods etc.
I have one question if Jailor was the one controling Arthas all this time, and plus frostmoure wich is the weapon from the shadowlands, where is in that equation Nher Zul?
@7 B Ketan Kumar all this shit is retcons anyways so who cares.
"I've not come for what you hoped to do, I've come for what you did" - V for Vendetta
arthus is the reason why i love wow lore
As i remeber when he became the lich King he tried to fight it and gave us the needed time thanks to it, also he all the time had (correct me if i remeber this wrong) necklace or smth like that which was somehow bound with his love - jaina, all those things combined with what you said - no, he absolutely did not deserve such fate
His story has still so much potential, but it is easy to screw it up. Hopefully they won't.
It feels like they undermined Uthers character. Cause I think he spoke in icecrown Citadel talking about how he decided to hold the good memory of Arthas in his heart. He didnt really sound very vengeful
Arthas did Nothing Wrong. He is a Tragic Hero.
No, he didn’t. Ner'zhul deserved the Maw.
Ner'zhul was deceived by Kil'jaeden so Kil'jaeden deserve the maw
@@lichking654 no wait Kill'Jaden was deceived by Sargeras, so Sargeras deserves the maw :P
@@felixdumbravescu2725 No Void lords deserved the maw
@@kadorassaw1326 good luck tickling one they are a beast to what me and anything in azeroth are angels compare to them
The problem is the book Arthas ( I don't know how much of it is canon anymore). There, Arthas "kill" his child form representing his innocence, and Ner Zul, assuming full control as Lich King. Of course, he was still played and made a pawn in a much bigger game, but he embraces his fate, reppenting only in the very end.
he didn't have a soul anymore... it was in the blade. why was it then that the first thing that the lich king did was cut out his own heart? why is it that we meet Matthias Lehner? there is only one explanation, the one in control isn't arthas.
zeppelin led Who is Mathias Lehner?
Shadow Gamer Matthias lehner is an anagram for Arthas menethil and a child ghost in icecrown . He represents Arthas human side and innocence.
He gives the best quests in icecrown ingame
@Washington Bear frostmourne isn't an entity? how do you know? sword is depicted to learn from the souls of it's victims and is able to executed their techniques flawlessly. plus we know that the runes on the frostmourne, helm of domination and the jailor match. so how can you say that they are not connected?
@Washington Bear what makes the helm of domination an entity? is it a ner'zhul's soul? if so then there are thousands of souls inside Frostmourne some as strong if not stronger than Ner'zhul himself
Oh using the insanity defense now, are we?
The game structure sort of reinforces the loss of control by Arthas. He makes a deal with Frostmourne - 'help me kill Mal'Ganis and I'll accept any price'. The human campaign continues only so far as he finishes that one last thing - the last thing he chose to do before taking up the sword - and the story even makes a point of showing that 'Frostmourne' lives up to its end of the bargain. It's after that exact scene that the campaign ends, which is normally when we start following a different character - implying that Arthas after that was a different character. I always figured that Arthas' soul was the first one Frostmourne took, or at least damaged (the way Uther's was), and that's why his personality changes so much.
Let him rot in the Maw, Uther my boy deserved better and Arthus was a punk ass bitch before his corruption. This video from blizzard is probably one of the best things they have done in years (IMO) and if they go back on it to free Arthus or redeem him it will retroactively ruin this amazing moment. I actually love Arthus, like a lot but in the way I like a horror movie villain. He should be this badass unstoppable being of pure evil and to muddy that water would suck a lot.
Yes, Because that way, he's gonna meet the old one "First being" and we get another expansion with arthas in it.
This brings to light an interesting topic if Forstmourne was a weapon of The Jailer, what about characters wielding Shadowmourne?
if uther deserved a spot in the bastion, which if you ask me, considering his actions in heartglen and stratholme(the fact that he knew about Mal'ganis being in stratholme and didn't even do jack shit to help; if he was a paragon of justice like people claim, then why didn't he try to evacuate those that were going to be slaughtered 'unjustly'(according to him at least)?) seem a little bit doubtful to say the least, then arthas for sure did deserve a place somewhere else. If not in the bastion then at the very least in the undead realms
Yeah, it was a dilemma of Stratholme, how else you were supposed to deal with the unknown disease? You couldn't heal or save them, and they would've died slowly instead. Even though Arthas's action was cruel, it might've given some of the people the sweet release from the deadly disease, while others were succumbed to undeath.
Had uther acted against arthas after he was stripped of rank and the order disbanded by arthas it would have been called high treason and be grounds for execution.
If uther acted, uther would die for nothing
@@ConnorNotyerbidness mate,he is a paragon of Justice is he not? then what does a paragon of justice hold most dearly? is it his life? is it loyalty? or is it justice? why didn't he smuggle civilians out of the city? why did he leave the city without caring about what would happen to the citizens that would be executed unjustly? tell me does this fit a paragon of justice? is this how you imagine a saint that was deemed to be worthy of a bastion to act?
@@peagames2002 it wasn't about dieing slowly. arthas knew that transformation was swift, that's why he didn't sit there and debate whether or not he should call Mages of Dalaran to solve the dilemma. sadly, uther knew as well if not as much, he knew where Mal'ganis was at the very least, yet didn't give two fucks about it.
@@zeppelinled3967 and again i say- if uther did anything he would have been executed and it wouldnt have done any good.
His death would accomplish nothing and would also mean he wouldnt be around to help after arthas further went off the deep end- which uther fully recognized that arthas was now seriously dangerous even to his own people.
And arguably loyalty goes hand in hand with justice. He admits there are commands he wont follow but also everyone there who walked away also admitted that they Saw no other solution. Culling stratholme may have been the right decision, even if it felt like the wrong one.
But uther wasnt gonna be the one to make that choice for the people and neither was jaina. So they walked away.
Arthas is the only one who stop The Scourge from annihilating Azeroth
He actually did some bad things before taking Frostmourne. He lied to his men and refused orders to go home, so he hired some mercenaries to burn down their ships so his men couldn't go back, then he tells his men that the mercenaries were at fault so he killed them.
Arthas having a redemption arc is okay but I want people to be a bit skeptical here because did bad things by his own accord too.
Yes. He did.
Well he did purge an entire city, got consumed by rage and a few other things.
However, frostmourne took over as soon as he touched it. Everything after that is up for discussion.
He even kept a few items that reminded him of his old life.
yes
Something is going wrong in Shadow Lands and everyone is going straight to the Maw. One of the main objectives is to figure out who is behind it and then put a stop to it. Thus returning order to the afterlife. Then on to the next expansion
We do not know! The Arbiter did not judge him yet!
-He killed his father
-he killed his friend when getting frostmourne and his men
-he killed uther the lightbringer
-he killed saurfang
-he killed the kid in him and nherzul and took out his own heart
-he slaughtered an entire city
-he destroyed lorderon
-he took out 90% of the high elves
Idk dude he did a lot. Yes he was the lich king so he wasn’t really himself but he had to be aware to an extent when he ended up taking his own heart out cmon. Maybe not the maw ONLY cuz of how he was as a paladin obvi cuz his entire life wasn’t evil but def not bastion imo
Don't forget the part where he turns Sylvanas into an undead Banshee.
That's how we got here in the first place, after all.
Wasn't it stated that by the time he was defeated, Arthas was in complete control of the Lich King as he had essentially defeated Nerzuls soul. Wouldnt that be confirmation that he deserves to be in the Maw seeing as he ripped out his own heart so he could get away from his human emotions and be able to be more ruthless and cruel? Isn't the Maw there specifically for people like this? Death bed repentance does not redeem people from this scale of death and destruction
I think Revendreth would've been the place for him. Most of his crimes was due to him losing his soul to frostmourne and being manupulated. But even before all of that he still forced the culling of Stratholme, which regardless if you think it was a positive thing or not, was still genocide and would be punished in the eyes of "justice".
then wouldn't abandoning citizens who were going to be unjustly slaughtered and not even looking back at it be punished in the eyes of the said justice? no one looks at the fact that Uther was a paragon of Justice, yet he didn't give a damn about justice as it seems. he perfectly knew about where Mal'ganis was and it was apparent(duh) that he was up to no good.(if you don't believe me you can check Heartglen mission's ending) yet did jack shit about it, and when arthas ordered the purge he didn't even doubt it and not to mention that even if he didn't want to kill innocents, he still had a duty to do what was just and he didn't do jack shit, apart from gathering bodies when the city was razed to the ground. and that guy who gave 0 fucks deserved Bastion? come on...
He also slaughtered parts of his army and burned down the ships so they had no choice but to stay in Northrend.
The title of this video is the same as someone asking "Does a murderer really deserve to go to jail" ?
Arthas Redemption Arc! Let's go bois!!!
Arthas was a victim of his own wrath. He choose vengeance over his soul and his people. Ironically, that ended with him never actually being able to kill Mal'Ganis.
"The Light has struck a deal with the enemy of all"
They are probably going to tie all this together. The light, for some unknown reason (probably in order to fight the void in the end), decides to help the Jailor escape the Maw.
One of Light's champions (Arthas) has been manipulated into taking up Frostmourne, killing his mentor Uther, and splitting his soul in half. Then, Uther and Devos have been manipulated into taking Arthas' soul and throwing him in the Maw.
This act of throwing Arthas into the Maw is probably something that the Jailor needed in order to start his plan to escape.
Which is all stupid by the way... it obviously wasn't planned this way back, and it makes the whole WotLK expansion meaningless (the quests with Mathias Lehner were really cool, but now they just seem silly if this was all orchestrated even before WC3 even began)
Not only does the shadowlands expansion make wotlk meaningless, it makes most of the lore meaningless. The shadowlands didnt even exist in Blizzards mind in Legion, they became a thing in BFA when blizzard realized they are about to reach their natural conclusion of the story, and that is 1 expansion (which should be shadowlands 1) where we deal with N'zoth and the old gods, 1 filler expansion (Garrosh 3.0) and then the void lords, but blizzard wants many more expansions so they decided to basically retcon EVERYTHING...
Dalaran. Lordaeron. Quel'thalas. All these are definitley the faults of Arthas. The corspecount doesn't lie. THe Maw isa fitting fate for him.
I agree, revendreth is the right place for him. Even garrosh and kaelthas are there, Arthas should br there too.
Yup both did far worse and were in their right minds, the first soul frostmourne took was his own.
Garrosh is not there to have his soul redeemed. He is there against his will and was supposed to go to the MAW. They forced him to be in Revendreth so they could continue to leech off of him because he has a lot of evil and has committed a lot of evil.
silverspear21 sources?
@@john-fi2ni The afterlives video they put out and common sense. If the souls are redeemed once they are done atoning then why is Garrosh not being redeemed and why is he kept there permanently as a source of anima?
@@silverspear21 Because redemption takes decades or even centuries for some. It's said so in revendreth storyline. All those going through "redemption" are used as a source of anima. Also acting like garrosh was more evil than Arthas when from a military perspective he did nothing wrong until the shit with the Sha.
We could see Arthas somehow escaping The Maw at some point during the expa for a redemption story, like the one Illidan had.
Jaina: "Arthas I can't watch you purge the city from humans that are already doomed and will turn undead and spread the plague, instead let me go here and purge some innocent blood elves from a different city."
"innocent".........good one. Jaina gave them a choice, they chose the mass murdering Horde. They got what they deserved.
@@silverspear21 They didn't choose the horde, they didn't even do anything at all when the horde moved troops through dalaran, Garrosh told them to not do anything or hell kill them so they didn't do anything.
Meanwhile Dalaran sent Bloodelves as troops to theramire to fight the horse.
Jet Jaina claimed that theramore was a neutral city as the entire reasoning why she is purging them.
Plus not all the Bloodelves even knew about it, only a few of those Bloodelves knew yet she killed and imprisoned all of them.
But hei, what can you expect from the Alliance, it was the Alliance that drove the Bloodelves to the horde in the first place with their racism towards highelves.
@@harz632 1. Jaina was not part of the Alliance so claiming the whole Alliance and racism does not fit.
2. Jaina did give them an option. Go back and read the quests and do the entire quest line from both sides. Those that chose to stay with the horde were jailed or killed if they fought back.
3. Garrosh used the sunreavers which were supposed to be neutral and claimed to be as well.
4. True not all blood elves knew about it but their leader did and again those that were punished had picked the Horde instead of remain neutral.
@@silverspear21 1.For Jaina not being part of the alliance she was really sympathetic and supportive of them.
2. Ah yes, a amazing choice, hei you innocent person over there give up all your lives achievement, and be imprisoned or I kill you.
If you say that was a choislce, then did you know that Hitler gave the Jews a choice too? He told them to leave Germany before imprisoning and killing them.
@@harz632 1. Of course she was but she was more supportive of peace between the two factions. Did you forget she basically allowed her father to die in the name of peace? Jaina supports peace not one faction, or at least she did back then. Both factions were Neutral and were supposed to remain neutral while in Dalaran and both of the magi factions from Dalaran the Silver covenant and the Sunreavers were supposed to be neutral as well.
2. The choice was to leave the city, or go to prison. They chose to side with the Horde so they were the enemy since the Horde had already started the conflict. Even on the Horde quest side you see this better than you do on the Alliance side.
3. Did the Jews side with an evil faction that had just broken peace and started another conflict and stolen a WMD? The Jews did not side with anyone evil nor did they pick a side they were just there. The people in Dalaran picked the Horde which were evil. They had already used a WMD and were seeking to use another. Huge difference.
Why is everyone choosing to judge arthas based on his actions? Remember, his intentions were pure.
He wanted to save his people, to heal them from the undeath plague that was affecting his people. His intentions were pure. And no, he does not deserve the Maw. That's just sick. Even Garrosh made it to Revendreath. And he was just..... Uggh.
#JUSTICEforArthas
The only way to judge someone is by looking at his actions. Intention is in the mind and cannot be certain for others.
TheWhiteFaction Yes but we know what Arthas’s intentions were. Fo the real life tho I agree.
@@shadowgamer4306
True, in a fiction you the reader can be in the mind of a character but the people of Azeroth cannot.
TheWhiteFaction But the arbiter is the one who should judge him not some random farmer.
@@shadowgamer4306 yes and Devos truly messed up.
With the way that the Cinematic framed what Uther and Devos did as a requirement to ensure he goes to the maw, its highly likely that the Shadowlands systems function so that NO SOUL will ever go straight to the maw, its likely that every single soul is given one last chance in Revendreth and if they never atone then they are sent to the maw, this is likely the case given that Devos was adament that her and Uther had to be the ones that did it, as if he would not of been sent to the Maw UNLESS they saw to it themselves.
Since kel'thuzad is in shadowlands, now i have to think about kel'thuzad crying cause arthas is now being tortured in the maw
Anyone else felt extremely sad when Uther said "He was my student" like for a moment it seem like he kinda doubted but the betrayal was so inmense ... the way they drew the expresion on his face.. fuck man.. that moment there gave me chills and sadness
@Lycan I wonder why uther didn't stay to stop or convince arthas. Seemed a bit out of character for him to just ragequit on the city and his own student like that
Do a video on does sylvanas deserve the maw?
If Sylvanas deserves the Maw, Arthas *definitely* deserves it - he's the sole reason she is how she is at the moment.
I'm pretty sure the entire point of the Bastion cinematic was that Arthas did not.
He was unjustly (ironically by Uther talking about justice) thrown in there which I believe played a role in the breaking of the system
Idk, but if Arthas can duel wield broken Frostmourne & light's vengeance while being soul form in maw, I am in.
But wasn’t it in wrath of the much king that it showed that it was arthas, fully conscious of his decision, when it showed that he threw the last of his humanity away, as well as destroyed naz’gul, only he was the lich king, not some shared entity in the rnd
He wasn't regretful for the things he had done, he was regretful he got caught >:(
If Arthas comes back i dont want to see him wielding a hammer thats for sure.
More accurate question:
Did what was left of Arthas deserve this?
I hope he returns one day.
He will definitely. They’re teasing him so hard already
If Garrosh Hellscream, whose intentions were conquest, bloodshed and hatred of all non-orc life, and Kael'thas Sunstrider, who betrayed his own people to join the Burning Legion are judged by The Arbiter as deserving a chance of redemption, then Arthas, who did grim things in Stratholme in the interest of containing the Plague of Undeath and whose will was not his own the moment he picked up Frostmourne for the first time definitely deserves to drag a sinstone around Revendreth for a bit.
Before Arthas finally took in the Lich King, he had to rid himself of his purities. The book talks about a dream he has where he sits with Ner'zhul and himself. Even though he had already committed his crimes, the boy represented his sense of remorse. Definitely a different fate if it wasn't for The Legion. I do hope we come across Arthas again in Shadowlands. Ally or foe, he deserves to be back in the game!
Iv been a fan since u started dorons movies im so glad ur still making videos
I feel like Maldraxxus would be the best place for him, he was a talented warrior and incredible strategist, his intentions were for his people and was willing to sacrifice everything for them, I wouldn't exactly put him in Bastion since he did some pretty bad stuff even before even knowing about Frostmourne.
But what about that time he literally murdered the last remnant of his innocence and humanity along with Ner'zhul
i believed Arthas was most likely a necrolord or maybe a venthr due to his corruption being for the greater good of his people
he did not deserve it
Man redeeming arthas would suck. He was cool before. But he really sealed the deal when he became a deathknight.
Im torn between wanting to leave him and his story the way it is and wanting him to have a redemption arc. I also really want to see Jaina and him reunite
its blizzard we're talking about, of course they will find ways to milk their most famous villain is the whole warcraft universe
Its just arthas represented all the edginess in wow without even having try really hard. Now in today that wow has lost all of its edge i find hard to believe they can replicate and improve his success.
The actual question is: Who exactly would have been judged by Arbiter, if Uther didn't do the thing? The person who Atrhas was right before his hand touched Frostmorne? Or did he managed to regain some of his persona later? Because, AFAIK, after death they separate souls from any other influence.
I think that is the entire reason why they bypassed the Arbiter and went straight to the maw, because Arthas would have been deemed pure, what Arthas did prior to Frostmourne is basically the same strict absolute reasoning Bastion itself uses.
That's why it wasn't justice they brought upon Arthas when they threw him into the Maw because they knew that if they didn't throw him into the Maw he would not be sent there.
@@harz632 I think pure is a bit much but i agree that it wouldn't be the Maw waiting for him. He probably would have ended in one of the other places, maybe the Vampire place. The Maw is for people who are unforgivable Evil and considering who "didn't" end up there that's a very hard critera.
Imo he would have been judged on his actions before Frostmourne and being Lich King. It depends on how much control he had but I doubt he had much, if any, as LK.
Now, if that's the case then he would've been sent to Ravendreth to attone because he still did bad things as a Paladin before taking Frostmourne.
I see that most of people watch these youtube videos about Arthas and see only the part of story where he was corrupted by Frostmourne. In reality Arthas started chasing Mal’Ghanis only because of his vengeance, arrogance, ambitions. He never really cared about his people, that’s why he was so eager to “purge” them without trying to save them from plague. After that he killed Muradin, betrayed some mercenaries and sacrificed his own people only to have his revenge. He even admits it in Warcraft III dialogues and all that BEFORE the took Frostmourne. Not to mention that he did took it intentionally and willingly accepted the curse to prove his power and have his vengeance.
I think Uther dropping Arthas into the Maw like that was highly out of character
Arthas is the Darth Vader villain of Warcraft.
#arthasdidnothingwrong get him outta there and onto lordaerons throne
Noone deserves to suffer endlessly
he didn't deserve the maw and also uther and that angel interfered in arthas's afterlife and uther didn't get any of the context that we did in the end so it feels bad the entire situation
I’m hoping that we can convince Uther that what he did to Arthas was wrong and he comes with us to the maw to save him maybe even sacrificing himself to save him.
@5:13 that cute little rat coming up behind Arthas! :-p
The picture at 1:01 gave me huge ambition to make new paladin alt,damn...
If u watch the frost dk legendary artifact u see nurzul forcing Arthus to take the sword even when he says i can't the darkness is too much. So yeah i think arthus knew he made a mistake but couldn't go back
If Garrosh didn’t deserve the Maw, then Arthas didn’t.
Yes. This is not even a question.
My King deserves to come back to Azeroth and be reunited with Jaina
I definitely think he does deserve the maw for everything he did. The only crime of his I'm willing to pardon him for is Stratholm, can't really blame him for that
@I Matei well it was his fault tho, and what he did to Bronzebeard too. I kinda believe in the " the end justifies the means " but in the end it was all his fault to me.
@I Matei I don't think they do, I like them both but I do think that they deserved the maw. Especially Garrosh cuz at least Grom " fixed " his mess and showed remorse. And I know Arthas did what he did to save his people, but in the end he deserves his punishment, it's called Justice . It was written the sword and the protectors of the place told him : don't pick or you're fucked
@I Matei you're really fired up. Still, we're responsible of our decisions, he's not responsible for being manipulated you say ? I say he is responsible for it. It was written on the pedestal that the weapon was far more than just a blade, the shadows of the cave told them that they not protecting the sword but the peoples. Yeah he was manipulated, but because he chose to ignore the warnings, if someone walks up to a dangerous cliff where it is written that it is dangerous and he could fall, then if he falls it's his fault. Arthas chose his fate, he could've say " Alright, it's too dangerous, let's head back and find another way " but he decided to pick the blade instead. So yeah, he does deserve what is happening to him, it's only Justice . And even in the end he didn't show the slightest remorse, all he said was " I see only darkness around me" not a single " I messed up " kinda quote. So yeah, he deserves the maw
@@professeurmythologeek7695 Thank god your not the person to decide things like this
@@zackerymendoza3411 well I am not, none of us are, this is all my opinion and I think I said it when I said : I think he deserves it.
I'm thinking Maldraxxus fits him more.
These Silver Hand fanatics are too self-righteous for Maldraxxus
I think the biggest problem is he didn't have the chance to go through venthyr. That should have been his choice.
But also his actions largely manipulated by the Jailor.
Also undead go to the Maw automatically which is completely unfair
Oh please, he willingly killed Muradin, even after being told by the guardians and his dwarf friend too. He still did it... A cursed soul can go only to the maw... He accepted the curse williingly.
Frostmourne mind controls. Look what kingsmourne did to anduin when he tried to resist. Sword glows blue. Arthas's blue glowing eyes faded at thesame time the blue glowing shattered frostmourne faded. And then he asked his father of the nightmare was over. Arthas loved his father. Thats why he pulled him. Like he was trapped mind controlled like Hawkeye was from loki. However arthas is not mind controlled like hawkeye by loki or by another being. He is being held corrupted and put in a "sunken place" by the Sword!!!! (anduin sword glows blue and his armor, you can see that blue light on them) HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS??
LOOK AT ANDUINS EYES AFTER HE KILLS THE ARCHON ruclips.net/video/cbkQEgf_TAs/видео.html Yeah that's right. It wasn't arthas's fault.. it was frostmourne and the lich king fault..
Look at the eyes and frostmournes glow
ruclips.net/video/8MUc-rQD8j0/видео.html&feature=emb_title
It mind controlled him
When he was walking here he was mind controlled as he hears all of his friends telling him to go back ruclips.net/video/HjtnfgBJaYw/видео.html
After arthas kills malganis look what it said. ruclips.net/video/4TCmlY9MUyU/видео.htmlm06s
You cant judge arthas. That's like judging boromir when he was trying to take the ring off frodo. That's like judging a mind controlled Hawkeye by loki in 2012 avengers for killing people. Unless you've been mind controlled and broke from it then you can judge him. Also these are superhuman. You wont break out of frostmourne. It makes a cocaine addiction look like pre school.
If you read rise of the lich king you will find after stratholme the light kinda abandoned him but when the shards of ice around frostmourner wounded muradin badly the light start to glow in his hands and he had chance to save muradin (thankfully he lived) but he chise not to. He said he must let muradin die, to be the price he has to pay. He willingly let muradin out there to die. Also when he was inside his mind with nerzul and last part of good in him he not only killed that part but he also killed nerzul to take control over the lich king. Agaib he willingly did this. So yeah, arthas kinda deserve his fate
I Matei as far as i red is part of arthas good which he killed willingly and after betrayed nerzul to asume full control over the lich king. Frostmourne is no escuse. He had the chance to save muradin and leave but he chose not to