Its sad that it took national attention for an apology. I pray that the victims get the help in all aspects to begin the healing. That there are SOP that stop this from happening moving forward. Thanks Brother Lawrence 🙏🏿❤️❤️
The SEC has a new administration including the president. Blame needs to go to the former administrations who knew. None of them are in the conference having moved on or retired
It's really tragic that it takes the world to cause this apology from that Conference😭. The men said empathically they were ignored & told to be silent for years. I'm 62 yrs old & know the silent treatment to those who dare to speak out.. within us. Ah LORD 🙏🏽. Apologies late..look for & weed out the evil people..remove them permanently now or it's going to come crashing fown on this Movement. The sifting is happening.
Sack the abusers, the church needs to speak up and stand up, stop covering up for those people, putting them in a different church will allow them to continue in what they’re good at. I blame the church leaders for this problem.
@@ladyu.p4268 this man was not employed by the church, at least he wasn’t when these crimes in England took place. He wasn’t sent any where. He left to start a new life in some other unsuspecting country. He left England and wasn’t welcome back. The police would be called by the administration if he returned.
The church needs a revival, General Conference should call for fasting and prayer for people are hurting, sin is in the camp, we cannot allowed Satan to come and hijack Gods Church, the battle is real.
The GC leaders need to repent and apologize and make restitution to all who were damaged as a result of the refusal to provide an exemption based on a personal conscious issue to not take the COVID-19 vaccine shots. Refusing to apologize and to financially compensate the victims is only assuring the responsible leaders will face their actions in God's judgement!
We must be awake and aware of the works of the devil! Fasting and praying continually in order to not fall in the snares of Satan, may God helps!! May God have Mercy on us!!
These things happen because in churches people call each other brother and sister and this automatically makes people think that people at church are actually family(Thus peoples guards are down). Compound that with the illusion that people think because a person is sda that they are free from doing sinful things. This recipe sets the stage for predators to hide in plain sight.
When you apologize after you have been exposed, it is difficult to tell whether you are doing it out of remorse or embarrassment. We like to call out the catholic bishops when we are doing the same or worse. Shame on us! Protecting the tithes and not the givers of the tithes. Face saving!
Apology full of empty platitudes. Sickening. No explanation offered why the church did not act when concerns were raised DECADES ago. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME. Kelly. The UK SDA J1mmy S@ville.
@@cee7656the current President was born in the 60s and you expect him to provide difficult answers? Be reasonable, at least action was taken, and legal processes are being followed before any findings can be made public
@@mavuvufulthank you for a voice of reason. What would many commenters do if they were put in this position? Current leader had nothing to do with it and is doing his best to deal with something he has only known about recently.
It is a shift in cultural values and a watershed moment. My parents came to the UK and suffered in SILENCE. They taught us the same thing, because this is all they knew. Only in the church were they able to gather some comfort and support. So the innocent ones were corrupted in the midst of the Church, and their cries were dismissed. This is just the start....The cry goes up "The enemy is within the gates".
What a shame, here we are again known for the wrong reasons. It had to come to this because the church continue to cover up known sins taking place in the churches. This has become a habit. Ignoring wrongs and closing our eyes even when members are pointing it out to the leaders who are not doing what God requires of them. It's very sad. May God have mercy on us as a church in these last days of earth's history. .” *God calls for men like Elijah, Nathan, and John the Baptist, men who will bear His message with faithfulness, regardless of the consequences, who will speak the truth bravely, though it calls for the sacrifice of all they have.* RH October 22, 1901, par. 17
It is convenient for some of us to cast aspersions on the church of what they should have done, but many of us have abuser's,, killers, scammers, all type of criminals in our family and and the church and we keep silent so may this be a lesson to all of us to speak out when we have these derogatory, debauchery type of life within the church or within our families.
Very convenient for people to be casting stones. How many of them know about things like this happening in their families and church and never spoke up? Let’s all do our part and judge righteously.
@@1983stelly probably a very old man if alive. I was told it was a family member of the perpetrator but channel 4 made it seem like a church leader to fit their narrative. This happened in the 1960s and 1970s.
Those who are quick to say don’t air the church’s dirty laundry, and brushing sins under the rug, the dirty laundry will return to haunt in a more drastic manner
Firstly, I want to say how sad it is to learn of people you know to have suffered as Michael and Andrew, only to find out now the abuse and suffering they are experiencing. If we were to bare ALL, families would be torn apart, and the church would not be able to stand. The current conference president was not even in the country when this happened, while others who are higher than SEC in Europe could have investigated years ago. Despite this, newley elected President Kirk Thomas, out of his own sense of remorse, took that burden to apologise. We talk about the church as if it is abstract from the people. The church is the people! This has got me thinking about friends who I know and have left the church could have suffered the same or a similar fate. We should keep them and their families in prayer and pray for healing. While the leaders who were told and did nothing about it will be judged by God Lord have mercy.
It isn't abstract. Conference after conference. Search near or far, has been leavened by the hypocrisy of the world. While sighing and crying for the victims, sigh and cry also for the current church with its leaders who are increasingly transitioning into to full stature of the image of the world.
We as church members are to be observant especially when a member or pastor is taking an abnormal interest in any young person. We must not wear blinkers and think that this cannot happen in your church. We also need to educate our children about unacceptable behavior by an adult.
There is a system within the SDA church that does not encourage open dialogue amounst its members. Look at the organization structure. 😮Somebody had to know this was going on. The question is what steps were taken at the time to seriously address the issue. Now the word is out and the conference yeah even the denomination is embarrased. Now there are victims that will be forever impacted. How does this help them?
@@winstonsweeting9078 what? Some of the people dealing with this today were barely born when the crimes took place. The current leadership commissioned an independent body to investigate this in the past year. It happened in the 1960s and 1970s. No one in the current administration knew anything about this until it was brought to their attention recently
@jodiyeboah9124 point taken...read the last part of your post. Why is it now coming out,how was it dealt with 'back then'. Is it going on today in the church. To be silent is to be complacent.
@@winstonsweeting9078 I don’t disagree with you. I simply asking how else you’d expect the current people to act. Not condoning the past at all. Thank you for a civil response
The 'stones' are crying out because GOD see the silence within this Movement! Again I say Pastor Andrew Henriques has been 🗣️🎺📖📚 on every issue but he is demonized hence GOD permit these evil disgraceful acts to come out to embarrass us into heart change because Repentance Revival & Reformation was & is rejected mostly.
Mercy this is not good for us at all! Our church is falling apart! Why are these things coming up now? This happened in the 60s, why didn’t they deal with this before? 😔 this is terrible.
It has to happen. This is the sifting. This is the shaking. Before the sins of Babylon are fully exposed by the loud cry, the sins of the church must be fully exposed so that the sinners are sifted out of Zion. God needs a pure church to proclaim the everlasting gospel, so the tares are being exposed. It's gonna get more intense.
This is very sad but why did it have to take all these years to be exposed? Why did the former administration not deal with the issue? As a church we have the tendency to sweep issues under the carpet when the person has status in the church. But sin is SIN and when God's word condemns certain actions , we must act as soon as they are brought to light.
This is very sad, here we are again known for the wrong reason. It had to come to this because we continue to cover up known sins taking place in the churches. This has become a habit. Ignoring wrongs and closing our eyes. May God have mercy on us as a church in these last days of earth's history. .” *God calls for men like Elijah, Nathan, and John the Baptist, men who will bear His message with faithfulness, regardless of the consequences, who will speak the truth bravely, though it calls for the sacrifice of all they have.* RH October 22, 1901, par. 17
Investigation AFTER the culprit has died? He was so protected that he could perpetrate for about 20 years..... How very sad that our SDA leaders also turn a blind eye- I am deeply disappointed.
@@annettecarstens274 who specifically was protecting him? Why did he keep moving from country to country if he was protected? If he returned to the UK, the administration informed the church that he must not be allowed on the pulpit and that they’d call the police. He never came back. How many times did this happen in different countries? Channel 4 isn’t going to tell you all that. Their aim was for people to assume the church collectively looked the other way while he sodomised children.
@@annettecarstens274 I replied before but I can’t see my comment. When a later era of leadership was informed about these matters by the police, Kelly had already long left the country. They agreed to alert them if the man turned up in the uk again. The Uk church administration also warned the churches about him and what action would be taken if he appeared again. The issue should really have been escalated to the worldwide church at this point rather than dealing with it at a local level like this. The damage that man has done cannot be quantified. The devil sows his tares with the wheat. They are planted there to steal, kill and destroy. Every individual must be alert and vigilant, evil tares will remain with us until the harvest
This is no new news. This has been going on for years. Even young girls have suffered. Many are embarrassed and fearful to come forward. HUSH MONEY SHOW ME YOUR COMPANY AND I WILL TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE. CHIP IS NOT FALLEN FAR FROM THE BLOCK
sodomising others is purely sin as sin gets. Personally I believe that as in the days of Noah, this will get worse and God will end His patience with the human race, aside from the long standing prophecies that are being fulfilled. Sadly our church has also not been immune from some of these disgusting acts. Lord have mercy on us Your children, and may Jesus come
Expressing sympathy a little bit too late, I have a friend who and I grew up says her cousin (girl) was abused years ago. Because her cousin was not believed by the church she refused to come back to the faith.
I am not sure if is something you should go on platform to talk about cause to me is a very sad situation I felt for the abusers, but I must say is everything that you discussing anything you hear you discussing, am not sure if you are for or against, but you want to hear what others have to say, I find it's time for all of us to prayer than thinking of what others have to say, cause Thomas is doing his very best he not been there many years I can tell you he is standing up against wrong doing, he calling it out for what it is 'Wrong'.
@@vethlynhomer970 Amen, righteous judgement needed by these content makers and commentators. Holy Spirit discernment needed to know if they should put this out and what angle to take. All sorts of misinformation abounding
Years ago while speaking on issues with in the church, I was told stop catching at straws,my reply was sooner or later these straws will pile so high we will not be able to get over under or around it .These issue are and still among us, but swept under the rugs,The smooth speech by leaders will not satisfied or healed the hurt of the victim,when leaders continue to cover for the perpetrators. Same things happening for other wrong wrong doing, but those who are speaking about the wrong are being sincere, canceled from speaking on main stream platform,while leaders continue to support the GBLTQ,pagan festivals,ecumenism,and represent the Roman Catholic Church on Adventist platform. We were informed of a situation where a first elder was molesting his daughter,the family life director of the conference said he will discuss the matter with the president and get back to us,the conclusion was a Desaster ,is was said (WE HAVE MORE PRESSING ISSUES TO DEAL WITH ): Then we want to know why the young people are leaving the SDA church! Thank God leaving the SDA church don’t means denial of God or rejection of salvation! As leaders refuse to rebuke and reprove,things will will get worse. With the Jesuits leadership at the top they don’t care less because that’s their agenda to have all under the umbrella of Roman Catholicism the best way to achieve that gold is corruption from within. Remember we have more to fear within than without. We continue to talk about revival. Now we are at the shaking, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE AND NOT BE PARTAKERS OF HER SINS.
That quote you showed at the end may be true in other cases but not this one. The man was not employed by the church. I get the impression he moved himself to country to country to avoid repercussions when his cover was blown. Please try to understand the nuances of the situation so people don’t draw wrong conclusions. I see so many frenzied, uninformed comments. Anyway I hope the coverage of this story will cause more predators in the church to be fearful and allow more victims to come forward and prevent further trauma for others. God is cleaning up
Spoilers alert Emmanuel Nougaisse has some serious issues too with few wives and ungodly marriages but you his so-called followers are blind to his wrongs its no different from this sin is sin and wrong is wrong. Until you stop supporting these unconverted people claiming to be doing God's work while they are supporting their sinful desires.
@@BPJ22211 well to be honest ,I'm not yet a SDA still going to my pentecostal churche .SDA was a churche I'd never like because they call themselves the true one and the people that I know from the SDA behave no different from the catholic church and so I didn't believe their doctrine. But during the covid 19
@@BPJ22211 But during the covid 19 I must say they help open my spiritual eyes than any other denominations even the SDA itself and is from pr EMMANUEL Nougaisse, pr Andrew H and more. These men are really informing us what are happening in the world 🌎 today n is Bible fulfillment with evidence, the pope, the leaders of the world, the leaders of the GC SDA, I believe the leaders of GC SDA (SDA) new all about these sexual allegations that has been happening in the SDA churches just like the pope knows in catholic church but the GC leaders Ted Willson, G.Diop n others are busy diving the SDA into catholicism , well I can see God is using these preachers greatly
@alinedarcheville5174 l grew up in the Pentecostal as well but l wanted to become a SDA because they wear pants. Little did l understood aboutthe truth they have been hiding. Then l learnt from bible that pants is a man's garment, the sabbath must be kept, its the only day blessed and santified by God the Cerator Himself. Many SDA if not most are not following the principles laid out by God to fallow. I just follow the word of God and keep His commandments, yes, l believe in the writings of Ellen White and l take her counsels as well. Many SDA hates her writings as they don't love truth. Sunday was never given by God to worship its a pagan thing. The jews had the day right as well as the Ethiopian jews.. as well.
Sorry don't make it right , what are they sorry for? That these things are exposed.I am sorry too because my grandchildren stop attending church for reasons of like occurrences that the SDA Church failed to dwelt with.
@@romahmckenzie1470 the SDA message is a beautiful one. There are all sorts of people in the church - wolves and sheep. This was the case in the Bible too and everywhere we go. Jesus kept dealing with these hypocrites. He said it’s better for someone to have a millstone put on their neck and cast into the sea than for anyone to offend a little one. The wrath of God is kindled against these people and their enablers. I hope your grandchildren will see the difference between Jesus,The SDA message and the wolves in the church
It is sad that this was done to him, it’s sinful and the church should have done the right thing on learning what was going on but sad as it is, he shouldn’t leave church.
Which god? Please this church will always be the church of God despite the demons and devils that fill it. Judas was a member of Christ's church, was it fallen too? The church may seem like it will fall but it never will. I love this church and despise it at the same time. The devils and demons are at the top like that Kirk trying to damage control shameless! It is nauseating. One thing, however, is sure this is the church of God....God doesnt divorce and remarry he sticks to His wife even if the wife kills Christ the husband....He is monogamous....leave if you would but despite the rottenness and the stink surprisingly this is still the church of God
@@joelsailoia8387 where are you going to go? If you find a perfect church that out there you go to it only if your perfect. Don’t call God’s church Babylon, he shaking his church, wicked, and self righteous people God will remove.
The apology is coming from the wrong person. Nice try. The General Conference president of SDA should perform the apology and release the documentation. Lame apology. Don Kelly was an elder in Jamaica. How many persons were victims of Don Kelly in Jamaica and the countries he visited? Many SDA worship this Don Kelly in Jamaica. This fact cannot be contested. The allegations were rampant in one local church where he was the first elder? But the evidence was lacking? Kudos to the two men in the documentary to come forward. Just like the Roman Catholic Institution is paying monetary compensation, so should the SDA institution, for God's people are not pedophiles, globe-trotting, to undress little boys. Not that money is a fixer of the hurt. Don Kelly, a common pedophile. Sickening, Satanic, and despicable man who is worshiped by many SDA's. For those who worship this pedophile be it known that Jesus Holy Bible says, "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." Jeremiah 17:5.
I saw it , but why wait until after the video to apologize ,it was wrong and those men should have being listen to shame on us as Seventh day Adventist as all of us including me .
What we don’t need is to divide, suggestion pray for our leaders, those of you without sin cast the first stone. Come together and discuss the issue, and help to solve the problem……
Its sad that it took national attention for an apology. I pray that the victims get the help in all aspects to begin the healing. That there are SOP that stop this from happening moving forward. Thanks Brother Lawrence 🙏🏿❤️❤️
The SEC has a new administration including the president. Blame needs to go to the former administrations who knew. None of them are in the conference having moved on or retired
@@serophenamorgan4035Exactly!! This president is totally new.
This is the result of choosing not to guide or correct your brother, dismissing it with, "Don't judge; let God be the judge."
This is the tendancy now in the Church. We shall not judge or properly adressing issue !!
Hello Bro. Lawrence. Andrea in Jamaica 🇯🇲 sending love and God's blessings to you.
Very sad indeed. I watched this yesterday. Pain I n mens eyes
It's really tragic that it takes the world to cause this apology from that Conference😭. The men said empathically they were ignored & told to be silent for years. I'm 62 yrs old & know the silent treatment to those who dare to speak out.. within us.
Ah LORD 🙏🏽. Apologies late..look for & weed out the evil people..remove them permanently now or it's going to come crashing fown on this Movement.
The sifting is happening.
Weed out.? The evil people have retired or moved though I’m sure the conference has names of former pastors who didn’t address the issues
there is a need for free call numbers so as to enable quick justice
Even when they had the investigation, the victims were not told the results 2:34
There is nothing secret that will not be revealed.
So...our apology comes after the story came on national news........so sad.
@@healthyliving9231 it's international now...
New Administration. This president just came into office. Not even three years in office.
Sack the abusers, the church needs to speak up and stand up, stop covering up for those people, putting them in a different church will allow them to continue in what they’re good at. I blame the church leaders for this problem.
@@ladyu.p4268 this man was not employed by the church, at least he wasn’t when these crimes in England took place. He wasn’t sent any where. He left to start a new life in some other unsuspecting country. He left England and wasn’t welcome back. The police would be called by the administration if he returned.
The church needs a revival, General Conference should call for fasting and prayer for people are hurting, sin is in the camp, we cannot allowed Satan to come and hijack Gods Church, the battle is real.
the abuser is dead… he had already retired and lived in jamaica when he died
Too late of an apology, especially, when they were told to ‘shut up’.
Do we have this in writing that they were told to shut up?
The GC leaders need to repent and apologize and make restitution to all who were damaged as a result of the refusal to provide an exemption based on a personal conscious issue to not take the COVID-19 vaccine shots. Refusing to apologize and to financially compensate the victims is only assuring the responsible leaders will face their actions in God's judgement!
We must be awake and aware of the works of the devil! Fasting and praying continually in order to not fall in the snares of Satan, may God helps!! May God have Mercy on us!!
These things happen because in churches people call each other brother and sister and this automatically makes people think that people at church are actually family(Thus peoples guards are down). Compound that with the illusion that people think because a person is sda that they are free from doing sinful things. This recipe sets the stage for predators to hide in plain sight.
@@Rio-uv1gs insightful and constructive comment.
When you apologize after you have been exposed, it is difficult to tell whether you are doing it out of remorse or embarrassment. We like to call out the catholic bishops when we are doing the same or worse. Shame on us! Protecting the tithes and not the givers of the tithes. Face saving!
Apology full of empty platitudes. Sickening. No explanation offered why the church did not act when concerns were raised DECADES ago. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME. Kelly. The UK SDA J1mmy S@ville.
@@cee7656the current President was born in the 60s and you expect him to provide difficult answers? Be reasonable, at least action was taken, and legal processes are being followed before any findings can be made public
@@mavuvufulthank you for a voice of reason. What would many commenters do if they were put in this position? Current leader had nothing to do with it and is doing his best to deal with something he has only known about recently.
This president is new (less than 3 years) and these allegation and incidents predate him.
Any bet IF this was a PREGNANT young woman in the church they would've dealt with her right then and there and made her a PUBLIC example
I thought the same thing.
For real
It is a shift in cultural values and a watershed moment.
My parents came to the UK and suffered in SILENCE.
They taught us the same thing, because this is all they knew.
Only in the church were they able to gather some comfort and support.
So the innocent ones were corrupted in the midst of the Church, and their cries were dismissed.
This is just the start....The cry goes up "The enemy is within the gates".
The enemy is not in the gates anymore, the enemy is everywhere GC, Churches and within.
@@jaimienommik1578that is within the gates: family, church, GC
What a shame, here we are again known for the wrong reasons. It had to come to this because the church continue to cover up known sins taking place in the churches. This has become a habit. Ignoring wrongs and closing our eyes even when members are pointing it out to the leaders who are not doing what God requires of them. It's very sad. May God have mercy on us as a church in these last days of earth's history.
.” *God calls for men like Elijah, Nathan, and John the Baptist, men who will bear His message with faithfulness, regardless of the consequences, who will speak the truth bravely, though it calls for the sacrifice of all they have.* RH October 22, 1901, par. 17
It is convenient for some of us to cast aspersions on the church of what they should have done, but many of us have abuser's,, killers, scammers, all type of criminals in our family and and the church and we keep silent so may this be a lesson to all of us to speak out when we have these derogatory, debauchery type of life within the church or within our families.
Very convenient for people to be casting stones. How many of them know about things like this happening in their families and church and never spoke up? Let’s all do our part and judge righteously.
Just take note that this president is very new and these allegations and issues predate him.
@@MarcelleGushway I keep saying this.
Looks like the corporate church has learned well from the papacy.
This is not a Seventh day Adventist.... No no. The priest within. So many priests in the Adventist GC.
I want to know what they are doing about the man that called the boys to a meeting and threatened them. Who is he and will he be dealt with???
@@1983stelly probably a very old man if alive. I was told it was a family member of the perpetrator but channel 4 made it seem like a church leader to fit their narrative. This happened in the 1960s and 1970s.
Those who are quick to say don’t air the church’s dirty laundry, and brushing sins under the rug, the dirty laundry will return to haunt in a more drastic manner
Firstly, I want to say how sad it is to learn of people you know to have suffered as Michael and Andrew, only to find out now the abuse and suffering they are experiencing. If we were to bare ALL, families would be torn apart, and the church would not be able to stand. The current conference president was not even in the country when this happened, while others who are higher than SEC in Europe could have investigated years ago. Despite this, newley elected President Kirk Thomas, out of his own sense of remorse, took that burden to apologise.
We talk about the church as if it is abstract from the people. The church is the people!
This has got me thinking about friends who I know and have left the church could have suffered the same or a similar fate.
We should keep them and their families in prayer and pray for healing.
While the leaders who were told and did nothing about it will be judged by God
Lord have mercy.
It isn't abstract. Conference after conference. Search near or far, has been leavened by the hypocrisy of the world. While sighing and crying for the victims, sigh and cry also for the current church with its leaders who are increasingly transitioning into to full stature of the image of the world.
We as church members are to be observant especially when a member or pastor is taking
an abnormal interest in any young person. We must not wear blinkers and think that this cannot happen in your church. We also need to educate our children about unacceptable behavior by an adult.
There is a system within the SDA church that does not encourage open dialogue amounst its members. Look at the organization structure. 😮Somebody had to know this was going on. The question is what steps were taken at the time to seriously address the issue. Now the word is out and the conference yeah even the denomination is embarrased. Now there are victims that will be forever impacted. How does this help them?
@@winstonsweeting9078 what? Some of the people dealing with this today were barely born when the crimes took place. The current leadership commissioned an independent body to investigate this in the past year. It happened in the 1960s and 1970s. No one in the current administration knew anything about this until it was brought to their attention recently
@jodiyeboah9124 point taken...read the last part of your post. Why is it now coming out,how was it dealt with 'back then'. Is it going on today in the church. To be silent is to be complacent.
@@winstonsweeting9078 I don’t disagree with you. I simply asking how else you’d expect the current people to act. Not condoning the past at all. Thank you for a civil response
The 'stones' are crying out because GOD see the silence within this Movement!
Again I say Pastor Andrew Henriques has been 🗣️🎺📖📚 on every issue but he is demonized hence GOD permit these evil disgraceful acts to come out to embarrass us into heart change because Repentance Revival & Reformation was & is rejected mostly.
Very sad as I met him once when I was young in 1969.
Saw it last night.
Mercy this is not good for us at all! Our church is falling apart! Why are these things coming up now? This happened in the 60s, why didn’t they deal with this before? 😔 this is terrible.
Satin is working overtime…
5:00
It has to happen. This is the sifting. This is the shaking. Before the sins of Babylon are fully exposed by the loud cry, the sins of the church must be fully exposed so that the sinners are sifted out of Zion. God needs a pure church to proclaim the everlasting gospel, so the tares are being exposed. It's gonna get more intense.
PLEASE...Shepard's awaken to the sighing and crying of the flock.
There's too much defensive actions.
This is very sad but why did it have to take all these years to be exposed? Why did the former administration not deal with the issue? As a church we have the tendency to sweep issues under the carpet when the person has status in the church. But sin is SIN and when God's word condemns certain actions , we must act as soon as they are brought to light.
This is very sad, here we are again known for the wrong reason. It had to come to this because we continue to cover up known sins taking place in the churches. This has become a habit. Ignoring wrongs and closing our eyes. May God have mercy on us as a church in these last days of earth's history.
.” *God calls for men like Elijah, Nathan, and John the Baptist, men who will bear His message with faithfulness, regardless of the consequences, who will speak the truth bravely, though it calls for the sacrifice of all they have.* RH October 22, 1901, par. 17
Investigation AFTER the culprit has died? He was so protected that he could perpetrate for about 20 years.....
How very sad that our SDA leaders also turn a blind eye- I am deeply disappointed.
@@annettecarstens274 who specifically was protecting him? Why did he keep moving from country to country if he was protected? If he returned to the UK, the administration informed the church that he must not be allowed on the pulpit and that they’d call the police. He never came back. How many times did this happen in different countries? Channel 4 isn’t going to tell you all that. Their aim was for people to assume the church collectively looked the other way while he sodomised children.
@@annettecarstens274 I replied before but I can’t see my comment. When a later era of leadership was informed about these matters by the police, Kelly had already long left the country. They agreed to alert them if the man turned up in the uk again. The Uk church administration also warned the churches about him and what action would be taken if he appeared again. The issue should really have been escalated to the worldwide church at this point rather than dealing with it at a local level like this. The damage that man has done cannot be quantified. The devil sows his tares with the wheat. They are planted there to steal, kill and destroy. Every individual must be alert and vigilant, evil tares will remain with us until the harvest
ENGLAND AND GERMANY.
Will they expose the preachers
Too late.
Demons go to church also, that is athrocious.
What a serious disgrace
This is no new news. This has been going on for years. Even young girls have suffered. Many are embarrassed and fearful to come forward.
HUSH MONEY
SHOW ME YOUR COMPANY
AND I WILL TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE.
CHIP IS NOT FALLEN FAR FROM THE BLOCK
sodomising others is purely sin as sin gets. Personally I believe that as in the days of Noah, this will get worse and God will end His patience with the human race, aside from the long standing prophecies that are being fulfilled. Sadly our church has also not been immune from some of these disgusting acts. Lord have mercy on us Your children, and may Jesus come
Like father Like son evil already compromised in God's church
Really sad😢. It's kind of Like Luke 12:1-3. May God help us!🙏
Expressing sympathy a little bit too late, I have a friend who and I grew up says her cousin (girl) was abused years ago. Because her cousin was not believed by the church she refused to come back to the faith.
Bro Lawrence...its the same thing with the covid jab!!!
I am not sure if is something you should go on platform to talk about cause to me is a very sad situation I felt for the abusers, but I must say is everything that you discussing anything you hear you discussing, am not sure if you are for or against, but you want to hear what others have to say, I find it's time for all of us to prayer than thinking of what others have to say, cause Thomas is doing his very best he not been there many years I can tell you he is standing up against wrong doing, he calling it out for what it is 'Wrong'.
@@vethlynhomer970 Amen, righteous judgement needed by these content makers and commentators. Holy Spirit discernment needed to know if they should put this out and what angle to take. All sorts of misinformation abounding
Years ago while speaking on issues with in the church, I was told stop catching at straws,my reply was sooner or later these straws will pile so high we will not be able to get over under or around it .These issue are and still among us, but swept under the rugs,The smooth speech by leaders will not satisfied or healed the hurt of the victim,when leaders continue to cover for the perpetrators. Same things happening for other wrong wrong doing, but those who are speaking about the wrong are being sincere, canceled from speaking on main stream platform,while leaders continue to support the GBLTQ,pagan festivals,ecumenism,and represent the Roman Catholic Church on Adventist platform.
We were informed of a situation where a first elder was molesting his daughter,the family life director of the conference said he will discuss the matter with the president and get back to us,the conclusion was a Desaster ,is was said (WE HAVE MORE PRESSING ISSUES TO DEAL WITH ): Then we want to know why the young people are leaving the SDA church! Thank God leaving the SDA church don’t means denial of God or rejection of salvation!
As leaders refuse to rebuke and reprove,things will will get worse.
With the Jesuits leadership at the top they don’t care less because that’s their agenda to have all under the umbrella of Roman Catholicism the best way to achieve that gold is corruption from within.
Remember we have more to fear within than without.
We continue to talk about revival. Now we are at the shaking, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE AND NOT BE PARTAKERS OF HER SINS.
That quote you showed at the end may be true in other cases but not this one. The man was not employed by the church. I get the impression he moved himself to country to country to avoid repercussions when his cover was blown. Please try to understand the nuances of the situation so people don’t draw wrong conclusions. I see so many frenzied, uninformed comments. Anyway I hope the coverage of this story will cause more predators in the church to be fearful and allow more victims to come forward and prevent further trauma for others. God is cleaning up
Yes ,these are just words, no wonder they are fighting pr. Andrew H, pr. Emmanuel Nougaisse n more
Spoilers alert Emmanuel Nougaisse has some serious issues too with few wives and ungodly marriages but you his so-called followers are blind to his wrongs its no different from this sin is sin and wrong is wrong. Until you stop supporting these unconverted people claiming to be doing God's work while they are supporting their sinful desires.
@@BPJ22211 well to be honest ,I'm not yet a SDA still going to my pentecostal churche .SDA was a churche I'd never like because they call themselves the true one and the people that I know from the SDA behave no different from the catholic church and so I didn't believe their doctrine. But during the covid 19
@@BPJ22211 But during the covid 19 I must say they help open my spiritual eyes than any other denominations even the SDA itself and is from pr EMMANUEL Nougaisse, pr Andrew H and more. These men are really informing us what are happening in the world 🌎 today n is Bible fulfillment with evidence, the pope, the leaders of the world, the leaders of the GC SDA, I believe the leaders of GC SDA (SDA) new all about these sexual allegations that has been happening in the SDA churches just like the pope knows in catholic church but the GC leaders Ted Willson, G.Diop n others are busy diving the SDA into catholicism , well I can see God is using these preachers greatly
@alinedarcheville5174 l grew up in the Pentecostal as well but l wanted to become a SDA because they wear pants. Little did l understood aboutthe truth they have been hiding. Then l learnt from bible that pants is a man's garment, the sabbath must be kept, its the only day blessed and santified by God the Cerator Himself. Many SDA if not most are not following the principles laid out by God to fallow. I just follow the word of God and keep His commandments, yes, l believe in the writings of Ellen White and l take her counsels as well. Many SDA hates her writings as they don't love truth. Sunday was never given by God to worship its a pagan thing. The jews had the day right as well as the Ethiopian jews.. as well.
It’s very sad but the sins of the world never leave the church many are called few are chosen may God help us as we are nearing home
Sorry don't make it right , what are they sorry for? That these things are exposed.I am sorry too because my grandchildren stop attending church for reasons of like occurrences that the SDA Church failed to dwelt with.
@@romahmckenzie1470 the SDA message is a beautiful one. There are all sorts of people in the church - wolves and sheep. This was the case in the Bible too and everywhere we go. Jesus kept dealing with these hypocrites. He said it’s better for someone to have a millstone put on their neck and cast into the sea than for anyone to offend a little one. The wrath of God is kindled against these people and their enablers. I hope your grandchildren will see the difference between Jesus,The SDA message and the wolves in the church
It is sad that this was done to him, it’s sinful and the church should have done the right thing on learning what was going on but sad as it is, he shouldn’t leave church.
God is telling us that this church ⛪️ is fallen just like the harlot in Revelation 17:5. Come out of her my people...." Revelation 18:4,5
Which god? Please this church will always be the church of God despite the demons and devils that fill it. Judas was a member of Christ's church, was it fallen too? The church may seem like it will fall but it never will. I love this church and despise it at the same time. The devils and demons are at the top like that Kirk trying to damage control shameless! It is nauseating. One thing, however, is sure this is the church of God....God doesnt divorce and remarry he sticks to His wife even if the wife kills Christ the husband....He is monogamous....leave if you would but despite the rottenness and the stink surprisingly this is still the church of God
@@joelsailoia8387 where are you going to go? If you find a perfect church that out there you go to it only if your perfect. Don’t call God’s church Babylon, he shaking his church, wicked, and self righteous people God will remove.
The apology is coming from the wrong person. Nice try. The General Conference president of SDA should perform the apology and release the documentation. Lame apology. Don Kelly was an elder in Jamaica. How many persons were victims of Don Kelly in Jamaica and the countries he visited? Many SDA worship this Don Kelly in Jamaica. This fact cannot be contested. The allegations were rampant in one local church where he was the first elder? But the evidence was lacking? Kudos to the two men in the documentary to come forward. Just like the Roman Catholic Institution is paying monetary compensation, so should the SDA institution, for God's people are not pedophiles, globe-trotting, to undress little boys. Not that money is a fixer of the hurt. Don Kelly, a common pedophile. Sickening, Satanic, and despicable man who is worshiped by many SDA's. For those who worship this pedophile be it known that Jesus Holy Bible says, "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." Jeremiah 17:5.
I saw it , but why wait until after the video to apologize ,it was wrong and those men should have being listen to shame on us as Seventh day Adventist as all of us including me .
All these apostasies are tarnishing Gods End Time Remnant People...
What we don’t need is to divide, suggestion pray for our leaders, those of you without sin cast the first stone. Come together and discuss the issue, and help to solve the problem……
Just know you would have to cash $ in on this. All about money