I would argue fear is A tier. It’s main purpose kicks in when you’re low on hearts and need breathing room or when you’re trying to break a spawner and a creeper spawns next to you. Fear stops creepers from exploding, and that alone is worth so much in dry themes.
I've not actually had a single creeper explode on me in 1.18 which is kinda strange. It is definitely good for a one off, but I've seen people die to having a bunch of mobs feared and then not dealing with them ☺️
I was going to say if your heal is on cool down and you're surrounded fear would be nice to use, then again I still haven't played Vault Hunters yet because my PC just keeps having one issue after another but in theory that could be nice to have depending on the situation, just so long as you actually deal with the mobs after when you can
Love the video. One I absolutely agree with is cleanse. What I think they should have done is make it so it heals you half of what the regular heal does, similar to how fortune vein miner works. Dash and dash bullet is also one I agree with. With the spec, you don't lose anything other than 6 mana, and you gain 225% damage. Its a no-brainer.
I'd argue that Rampage Chain shouldn't be put lower but higher because it's a "one-point wonder". You get massive amounts of extra damage through the chaining and only ever need to put one skill point into it, leaving you more points for other skills. When you get to higher levels you may want to remove that specialization, but that is incredible benefit for only one skill point.
I'd personally like to see a more in depth head-to-head comparison of mana shield vs heal, because really at the end of the day they're doing the same thing: converting mana to health. Everyone knows heal is a must-have, so to me what would *really* sell mana shield would be to demonstrate that it can do what heal does (convert mana to health) even better.
I have to wonder how long it took you to set up that blind perfect-distance perfect-height dash onto the wall...maybe as long as it's gonna take me to make this post? Quick reference timestamp time! 0:15 - Nova (basic) 1:40 - Nova (poison) 2:40 - Nova (frost) 4:16 - Rampage (basic) 6:15 - Rampage (vampire) 7:50 - Rampage (chaining) 9:52 - Farmer (basic) 10:55 - Farmer (others) 11:40 - Heal (basic) 12:35 - Heal (group) 13:10 - Heal (cleanse) 14:00 - Summon Eternal 14:29 - Stonefall 15:10 - Ghost Walker 16:06 - Mana Shield 17:54 - Execute 19:03 - Vein Miner (basic) 20:17 - Vein Miner (fortune) 21:08 - Vein Miner (finesse) 21:58 - Vein Miner (void) 22:29 - Mega Jump (basic) 23:32 - Mega Jump (drill) 24:02 - Mega Jump (dig) 24:48 - Dash (basic) 25:35 - Dash (bullet) 26:42 - Hunter (basic) 27:58 - Hunter (observer) [side note: it's not mentioned, but in addition to monoliths and obelisks, observer also highlights vault god altars!] 28:48 - Tank (basic) 29:38 - Tank (rock) 30:19 - Tank (porcupine) 31:20 - Taunt (basic) 32:20 - Taunt (fear) Whew, long one today! Another great breakdown video, Hellfire! I know I'll be referencing this a bunch as I level up and start investing more skill points.
Nice video as always. One thing I didn't see mentioned though is that Observer can also locate god altars as well as objectives, which I've found to be quite useful.
Definitely sold me on mana shield, I have a rotten habit of playing like I have an inventory full of notch apples and will often find myself hiding in a hole waiting for mana to recharge while I spam heal lmao
I think an awesome specialization for hunter would be: Half the duration, half the radius, but show different colors for different chests (Red=Ornate, Yellow=Regular, Black=Guilded, Green=Living, Blue=Altar).
@@xEarthMover123 Yep! CaptainSparklez brought it up to him before the public version was even out, and Iskall said that they were already talking about it
Cool video! I’d rank Nova-Frost higher on A tier because it’s so useful, especially when you’re trying to hit a baby zombie or a fast spider. Also Vein Mine-Finesse has a pretty good use. Normally if you use a vault pickaxe with the Shattering jewel to clear out a mine room, it will break really fast. So making it last longer is pretty nice to have. And you can re-spec to Fortune when you break down the ores
This was SUPER useful as I'm just getting into VH and am overwhelmed by all of the things. Pretty much just cycling through all of your videos at this point :D Thank you for making them!
A really informative video. Without this I would have never (well not for a long while at least) discovered: -Nova Poison -Rampage Chaining -Mana Shield -Dash Bullet I'm going to have a lot of fun testing these out later ^^ Also fear is arguably A or even S tier in my books. If you use them for the purpose shown in the video, yea it's not that great. But fear is amazing when you need that 1 second more to break a spawner or you need the mobs to back off immediatly. Can't remember how many times it saved me being 1 hit away from death and being able to cast them away. After all, it's not about the skills, it's how you use them 😉
I use Nova for the exact same reason, hit spawner, when they summon, hit Nova, freeze them for the remainder until the spawner is broken, then reverse to take them on when they finally unfreeze
About the fear, you said until you have a vault full of mobs. Let them walk in a line and bullet true them, all dead!😂This video was really helpful, ty
I've been running a max DPS build using Vamp and Cleanse and healing clouds. Definitely not optimal, but it's fun not relying on the OP heal spam ability.
26:30 - hmm I think it's fine to keep both on S. it's good at the start because it is movement then it becomes damage. usually investing too many points for an effect is bad as seen previously but in bullet's case you have an S ability that you're investing on before it becomes high free damage. the same way dash is very very useful and it will become damage if you invest points into it. As soon as there's enough you just get a S tier damage for free. that closes the loop that makes both abilities capable of being S tier at the same time.
I'm glad i found your channel. i just started playing VH a couple months ago and these videos have been helping answer a bunch of the questions i've been having. one thing i'd change on this list is bumping frost nova up a bit. while the enemies can hit you still, you can zoop through them and thwack them with no resistance. i'm bias tho, i'm a sucker for good Croud Control.
@@Hellfirem4ge oh definitely. So far I've been using these videos as a "here's something that could be good to look into" Oh really now? Well I'm not gonna miss it. You got a great channel by the way, Love the energy :D
Can we get a new version of all these tier lists? Please. They’re soo good but a lot of things seem to have changed compared to the videos. I’ve only recently started but I’m loving it!
Any chance you do another one of these? I think with a lot of the point changes like for vein miner for instance amongst other abilities changing a ton that half the list could use a revisit
I just have to add one thing about heal aid, I’m playing coop with friends now and honestly it’s way worse than you think, we all always just go different ways because looting together actually is harder than with on your own and the extra mana cost is pain especially early game
My only issue with Mana Shield is I believe right now you have to select the skill and then use G to toggle it on and off. Which is kind of annoying. I know Iskall said on Pete’s stream they plan on fixing that and rebalancing it at some point as well. Taunt Fear has saved my ass several times and given me a second to pick mobs off with a xbow if I get overwhelmed. However, I think later game ghost walker will be significantly better. I may end up specking out of Fear now and go into ghost walker.
Would you be willing to revisit this now that the skills have gone through a major overhaul? I'm thinking it would be pretty hard though because of how well skills interact. For example, frost-nova + blizzard + passive frost skills is pretty powerful. Maybe it would be better to look at skill builds? Loving your vids btw.
I never knew the Legendary Hellfire had a RUclips channel?!?! Also glad you mentioned Mana Shield I sadly haven't been able to play Vault Hunters because my PC doesn't want to work ever, but when I watch like Iskall or Captain Sparklez or someone else and they go through reading the abilities and then read Mana Shield but decide it's not worth it and skip it every time I'm like that sounds worth trying it sounds amazing to have, and it looks like my suspicions were true it is very powerful definitely been slept on. Though maybe some of the VH SMP members have found it I'm very far behind on streams.
It is super strong especially at low levels and should still be amazing once they fix the armour bug that makes it worse at high levels ☺️ even with the bug, it still saves your life a lot
I just got invested into vault hunters and I gotta say this is the video I'd been looking for bc the spread sheets and other info on the ability aren't updated or aren't accurate. A lot of help from this thanks mate.
@@Hellfirem4ge I look forward to the next video and have a quick question if you could do a video on like your early game gear to late game gear set ups
Poison nova for some reason will perma freeze the game when used. All mobs that you hit that would die to the poison or are in a large group stop the game. You can still move but your vault timer will be frozen and mobs won't move, and you cannot loot or leave the vault.
I stopped playing vault hunters after my friends stopped playing, and i see this video with so many new abilities and i remember why i played in the first place. Iskall and the team really put a lot of work into this.
Aw man that sucks! Yeah there's so much new stuff it's great! Still a lot of work to go into it but it is in alpha so that's expected but it's fun to play!
I couldn't quite tell there, but did Dash Bullet give you I Frames? Do you take damage while dashing through enemies, or was that just an unfortunate hit before you activated it in that clip?
Hey, what about re-doing this video for the curent version? I would love to see your opinion on Javelin and the new dash specialization, and also at all the number rebalances.
Cultivator is actually good, because you can't bonemeal melons/pumpkins to get more instantly. It's the only non-mod way to get them quickly without doing massive vanilla farms. Important when both are rather common requirements for lower level crystals, and certainly worth 1 point.
i dont think u know this (since you placed mana shield in s tier), if mana shield wasnt bugged, i would agree but at the moment mana shield DOES NOT take into account any armor u have on you, which means its basicly useless at higher lvl vaults, as 3 attacks from basic mobs would litearly consume your entire mana bar (since it takes mana per dmg u take). obviously u wouldnt notice anythin wrong with it if ur doing a test without armor at a lvl 0 vault lol.
haha well that makes sense :P It still seemed to work at higher levels but was draining more mana. I just assumed that was due to the increased damage, but it was still super worth using to avoid being killed super quick :)
About vein miner-->void, if only vault ores are exceptional to being voided in a vault, doesn't that mean breaking coin piles will void them, or worse, vein mining multiple chests(which I think can still be done with wooden chests) voids the loot?
Ahh, I'm so glad you put that terrible farmer ability at the bottom. Nothing clickbait about the thumbnail at all.. :p Cleanse absolutely does not do what it does in 1.16. 1.16 Cleanse I used to let myself get poisoned etc. Hell, poison was one of my favourite modifiers for vaults. Max out cleanse, choose the "get a random buff" one (even though 1 was useless, strength 3, 1 was broken, luck 3) the 1 in 3 chance of getting Regen 2 was insanely strong.
Well if I put them in the right place, it would spoil the surprise 😅 Tbh cleanse in it's raw form isn't even as good because poison and wither seem a less common in the vaults than they did in 1.16
For farmer & its variants, while they're very much so earlygame abilities (the moment you can auto-farm the produce they lose a lot of value) I'd say that the variants that are able to work on things that can't be bone mealed (sugar cane & nether wart namely) are pretty useful if you need decent amounts of them on demand (i.e. if you decide you really want to use a firework launcher as a weapon in vaults, since fireworks are pretty strong & AOE if you can avoid getting hit by them yourself in the close quarters environment of a vault) I think the biggest problem with the farmer group of abilities is that they can be replaced with just having some pistons and observers or at a high end, a slime block harvester. (or in animal's case, farm blocks). In a sky vaults world where you may not have easy early access to nether quartz, iron, and redstone however they're a bit better due to the ammount of time it can take to get resources for vanilla autofarms. (given how easy a mob farm is to make in skyblock, base farmer is arguably worse there due to the abundance of bones you can get though).
I think cultivator is actually C tier because melons and pumpkins only require one growth state to grow a new melon/pumpkin. Using it with an auto harvester as I've been doing, it's alright. Still sucks it used mana though.
@@Hellfirem4ge was the armour you put on the eternal at or below the eternal's level? just wondering if this is indeed a bug or if they follow the same rules as players, being that you can't use armour above your level.
@@Prophetbomb yeah I thought that too, I tried level 0 armour, level 15 armour, level 100 armour, different levels of the eternal, using multiple eternals and it all had the same issue
Fear seems like it would have amazing synergy with the bullet dash. You can fear the enemies a couple times to do what you want, and then you retreat while you still have some mana left and bullet dash to kill them all once they're all lined up chasing you.
I would give + the farmer's abilities only for the fact that I once pumped it up to quickly multiply the hellish growth, and then reset it. Yes, I spent 1 regret orb, but it was worth it
Most of them are still accurate but there's been some big changes to hunter, mana shield and stonefall. In general stonefall and hunter are slightly better, mana shield is a bit worse
Nice breakdown of the skills very helpful! One thing I am not sure on though is the Tank ability? The tooltip says you get "extra resistance EVERY TIME you take a hit from a mob. The extra resistance STACKS lasts for a duration of time as long as you keep gettting hit". If that's the case with the first hit at max level you get 50% resistance, then on the next hit if its within the duration you would get 100% resistance? Or would you get 75% resistance because you get another stack of 50% resistance on the already halved damage? Or does it not stack in that way and the tooltip is just making things confusing with its wording? I am just not sure if Tank is stronger than you are giving it credit for.
@@Hellfirem4ge Nice, yeah I tested as well and got the same results. Interesting that the tooltip is worded that way. Might put it forward as a suggestion in the discord to reword it. Seems its where it belongs on the list XD
Idk if I there is a point, but do you think it’s a possibility you do the same video but for talents? Because I want to spec into them just not knowing what’s good and what’s bad? And maybe even throw in archetypes?
I definitely want to do them but talents are a bit strange in 1.18. It is on my list to go over though so I will most likely do one in the future on it ☺️
I took heal then i accidentally clicked cleanse luckily my sever mates are nice and gave me a flask (My phone loves to have seizures thats why it said island island instead of i 😅)
shouldn't chain be higher then rampage? on min level chain you get 300% dmg to 3 targets, and on the same level of rampage you get 110% dmg to one target on the max level of chain you get 400% dmg to 4 targets, and on the max level of rampage you get 260% dmg to one if I'm wrong correct me I think chain is just better for dmg as long as you fight more then one mob
It depends how you look at it. If you're fighting bosses or 1-2 enemies then rampage is better, if you happen to have a bunch of enemies about, chain is great. Also you have to remember than you can get chaining/cleave on weapons already which would reduce the effectiveness of the ability significantly
Possibly ☺️ I haven't fully gone through them all again since patch 5 but I'll certainly be revisiting them. Although that being said, I don't think most of them have changed that much. It's more the talents that have become a lot more expensive and some changed to things like heal have had a bit of an impact
I think update 9 will make cleanse viable without even factoring in whatever changes iskall is making to cleanse itself. This is because he's said vampire will be good enough that you could theoretically make a build that doesn't need heal and just heals from vampire.
omg i been sleeping on mana shield. Can Hunter help me find chests that's in a treasure room? Just so i can try to quickly LOOK for treasure rooms for the key that I have?
stonefall and all the other fall damage canceling abilities are kinda useless when you learn how to right click the ground with a water bucket imo. Plus water buckets in the early game are really useful for kiting mobs
They can but I've never taken more than a heart of damage. You also technically don't have to directly hit them, there is a slight aoe so you could just get very close
I think you should do a poll on whether u shud make a big documentary of sorts on all the new mods and all the knowledge stars and all . I would definitely watch it!❤🎉
So the problem with something on that scale is you have to sacrifice something to make it work. When I make mod guides, I like to dive really in depth with them so they often last 15-30 mins. If I was to look at all the mods, I would basically have to gloss over them and given the depth some of them need, I'm not convinced that would be a good idea. That being said, I will be making a video on the new mods added with 1.18, as well as more individual mod guides. I also plan on making a beginners guide but given how fast things are changing in alpha, I've decided to put that on hold for now
@@Hellfirem4ge that would make it an even better ability. Its looking like mana shield is just broken, especially with gear to accommodate the ability. Definitely a must have imo
I feel like you underrated and misrepresented Fear in terms of its potential in the vaults and how it works. Fear is great for two things : clearing and giving you time to break a spawner, and allowing you time to build a pillar. The idea that the vault will just become filled with mobs that you didn’t deal with is a huge misrepresentation of how the ability actually works. The third thing the ability is great for is getting away from ambush spawners; combined with dash you can use both abilities to get de-Aggro, get away, and build a pillar or leave the room. I would put Fear in S tier for this reason. It is excellent in the vault at all levels of play, but most especially in solo play as you have no one watching your back.
Nicely put. Personally I would still rather just kill the mobs and there's a bunch of different "panic button" options. You could just dash bullet and get rid of your problem immediately so fear is just flat out less good than that. There's definitely a case for A tier for sure but I don't think it can be put on the same level as heal and mana shield
Why push them away and stall the interaction when you could put those points in abilities that would give you better survivability or help you kill the mobs outright. Definitely not S tier IMO
@@Hellfirem4ge there are situations where Fear is better suited. Let’s say you’re breaking a spawner, but mobs spawn on top of you, and you just need another second or two. Without fear, the mobs hit you, push you, and the spawner breaking resets. Sure, you can dash away and fight the mobs and come back, but then the process repeats itself because it’s one of those spawners that spit out mobs like nobodies’ business. One point in Fear fixes that immediately: they spawn, get feared, spawner breaks, saving you loads of precious seconds in the vault. There are also types of POIs where dash as a panic button isn’t good enough. Take the mob iteration of X-Marks-The-Spot as an example. Mobs spawn below the X and on the surface. If you use dash to escape back to the surface, the mobs are often waiting to overwhelm you, and you don’t have a second dash. There are POI’s that require you to enter a mini-room with multiple spawners where there’s no room to dash, or POI’s that require you to go through one block into an underground mini-room where if you get spawned on it’ll be difficult to aim the dash. Or when you’re getting up to those ceiling POIs and it’s better to push off the 3 mobs that just spawned instead of risking that they’ll knock you off of your pillar, and they die when they reach the ground instead of you. The de-Aggro aspect is really what makes fear great. I’m sure in Harder modes (I’m playing normal) when enemies start getting ranged attacks, Fear will be great as well to at least give you a few seconds where you’re not getting bricked by vault dwellers. Other panic button options might require more than one point to really start reaching the point where they have the same value that just one point in Fear does. I would say Fear does have the potential of falling off late game, but the one point early game can have tons of benefit and has saved my own life many times. Maybe the falling-off it eventually does might cause it to be de-valued.
After watching pete test mana shield in a VOD from the 15th I think it's garbage. mobs were hitting him for about 30 mana. I guess the higher level you get the worse it is, anything above early game mana shield is a waste of 10 skill points.
It's not great for a massive amount of mobs but it is super amazing for bosses even at higher levels ☺️ we tested it at level 0, level 16 and level 50 and it was very useful at all levels
It's not great for a massive amount of mobs but it is super amazing for bosses even at higher levels ☺️ we tested it at level 0, level 16 and level 50 and it was very useful at all levels
Yeah it's a bit odd but could be armour differences, random crits, all sorts of things I guess 🤔 if they're hitting 30 mana, that would be like a lot of health to lose so you're looking at basically one shot potential at that point
@@Terashi it's a modpack made by Iskall85, and you basically have different dungeons to clear and loot and that fuels hour progress in the overworld, allowing you to gain access to more mods as you get through the pack ☺️ it's super cool, I would recommend
@Hellfirem4ge I should've commented after I watched the video 😅 Thank you! Since I've got your attention - I really think you have the potential to be the main Vault Hunters guide channel. I find it really hard to get up to date info on the game. As I am typing this as I am binging your guides, but there is still much to learn (new skills, mods to unlock first, I can't seem to find all the unique ores on lvl 13, new rooms, etc.). Keep on keeping on!
Thanks ☺️ I'm taking a bit of a break from VH guides currently (although I'll still be doing mod guides) but once things move properly into beta and we get more updates, I may well be back making guides for VH again ☺️
@Hellfirem4ge Any suggestions as to where find more info? Personnally I would enjoy a general tips and tricks video. Obviously I follow Iskall's channels, but he mainly does playthroughs though...
Not specifically on the guide side. I know ozoneB does the update roundup videos and the leftovers smp has some great players who you could follow to learn a lot from but that's more of the let's play side of things ☺️
I feel like ghost walk negating fall damage is going to and should be patched. By buying stone fall, I essentially bought a worse version of ghost walk lol
10:30 Oh right! This is why I stopped playing and watching everything doing with Vault Hunters, too much whining about not being stupidly OP, one of poor Iskall's server mates being the biggest culprit from what I remember!
12:35 - lets be honest the game starts after you unlock heal.
I would argue fear is A tier. It’s main purpose kicks in when you’re low on hearts and need breathing room or when you’re trying to break a spawner and a creeper spawns next to you. Fear stops creepers from exploding, and that alone is worth so much in dry themes.
I've not actually had a single creeper explode on me in 1.18 which is kinda strange. It is definitely good for a one off, but I've seen people die to having a bunch of mobs feared and then not dealing with them ☺️
I was going to say if your heal is on cool down and you're surrounded fear would be nice to use, then again I still haven't played Vault Hunters yet because my PC just keeps having one issue after another but in theory that could be nice to have depending on the situation, just so long as you actually deal with the mobs after when you can
You can just use ghostwalker instead of fear to break spawners tho.
Love the video. One I absolutely agree with is cleanse. What I think they should have done is make it so it heals you half of what the regular heal does, similar to how fortune vein miner works. Dash and dash bullet is also one I agree with. With the spec, you don't lose anything other than 6 mana, and you gain 225% damage. Its a no-brainer.
That would have been sooo much better
I'd argue that Rampage Chain shouldn't be put lower but higher because it's a "one-point wonder". You get massive amounts of extra damage through the chaining and only ever need to put one skill point into it, leaving you more points for other skills. When you get to higher levels you may want to remove that specialization, but that is incredible benefit for only one skill point.
Yeah the bonus damage to other mobs more than makes up for the early game 5-10-15-20% damage buff of rampage
This, but also since weapons can't have +raw damage and +chaining, this gives you the option to have both for a tiny amount of mana and only one point
That was a smooth intro lol
Thank you, can you believe that was the first attempt.... Yeah... First attempt.... 😅
@SLEEP ASMR I mean copiously isn't a skill ☺️ I have the pickaxe crafting video already but there's not a huge amount to say on copiously
@@Hellfirem4ge you did not just dash perfectly onto a ledge at 3rd person front view at the first attempt!!!
@@rudrodeepchatterjee I only see one take in the video so it must have only been one take 😉
@@rudrodeepchatterjee #dashmaster
I'd personally like to see a more in depth head-to-head comparison of mana shield vs heal, because really at the end of the day they're doing the same thing: converting mana to health. Everyone knows heal is a must-have, so to me what would *really* sell mana shield would be to demonstrate that it can do what heal does (convert mana to health) even better.
That is a superb idea ☺️
That is a superb idea ☺️
@@Hellfirem4ge such a good idea the comment had to be sent twice!
@@MBoy2000_ the joys of commenting while in a low signal area 😅
I have to wonder how long it took you to set up that blind perfect-distance perfect-height dash onto the wall...maybe as long as it's gonna take me to make this post?
Quick reference timestamp time!
0:15 - Nova (basic)
1:40 - Nova (poison)
2:40 - Nova (frost)
4:16 - Rampage (basic)
6:15 - Rampage (vampire)
7:50 - Rampage (chaining)
9:52 - Farmer (basic)
10:55 - Farmer (others)
11:40 - Heal (basic)
12:35 - Heal (group)
13:10 - Heal (cleanse)
14:00 - Summon Eternal
14:29 - Stonefall
15:10 - Ghost Walker
16:06 - Mana Shield
17:54 - Execute
19:03 - Vein Miner (basic)
20:17 - Vein Miner (fortune)
21:08 - Vein Miner (finesse)
21:58 - Vein Miner (void)
22:29 - Mega Jump (basic)
23:32 - Mega Jump (drill)
24:02 - Mega Jump (dig)
24:48 - Dash (basic)
25:35 - Dash (bullet)
26:42 - Hunter (basic)
27:58 - Hunter (observer) [side note: it's not mentioned, but in addition to monoliths and obelisks, observer also highlights vault god altars!]
28:48 - Tank (basic)
29:38 - Tank (rock)
30:19 - Tank (porcupine)
31:20 - Taunt (basic)
32:20 - Taunt (fear)
Whew, long one today! Another great breakdown video, Hellfire! I know I'll be referencing this a bunch as I level up and start investing more skill points.
What a legend 😃 and of course I just did it first try on instinct 😉
Nice video as always. One thing I didn't see mentioned though is that Observer can also locate god altars as well as objectives, which I've found to be quite useful.
Yeah, I forgot to put that bit in, good catch! ☺️
and sometimes annoying when you see a sparkle, thinking it's an objective, and discover it's just an altar
13:44 Actually, cleanse might be a good option if you choose the Vampire archetype, which removes all other healing aside from your leech
Absolutely! There's definitely some very niche case scenarios for every skill (except farmer, we do not accept farmer) ☺️
2:35 - I'm more inclined to when it's fixed it'll be reduced to max of 50% because that is insane and they're working out those issues.
Thanks for the great video. Having never played the 1.16 version, you've saved me loads of time explaining how the abilities work.
Definitely sold me on mana shield, I have a rotten habit of playing like I have an inventory full of notch apples and will often find myself hiding in a hole waiting for mana to recharge while I spam heal lmao
I think an awesome specialization for hunter would be:
Half the duration, half the radius, but show different colors for different chests (Red=Ornate, Yellow=Regular, Black=Guilded, Green=Living, Blue=Altar).
Not a bad idea at all
Iskall has actually said they're working on it
@@MaidenOfAir Seriously!? Yoooooo, that's pretty awesome.
@@xEarthMover123 Yep! CaptainSparklez brought it up to him before the public version was even out, and Iskall said that they were already talking about it
@@MaidenOfAir Of course it was Cap
Cool video! I’d rank Nova-Frost higher on A tier because it’s so useful, especially when you’re trying to hit a baby zombie or a fast spider.
Also Vein Mine-Finesse has a pretty good use. Normally if you use a vault pickaxe with the Shattering jewel to clear out a mine room, it will break really fast. So making it last longer is pretty nice to have. And you can re-spec to Fortune when you break down the ores
Frost Nova also plays well with a talent: Slowness Affinity, that increases your damage against slowed enemies by a good amount
Thats why i carry a spare pickaxe or two in a shulker in case i get a mine room. no point wasting a great pick on cobble
As long as there are spiders, baby zombies, and zooming vault dwellers out there, there will always be a spare point for frost nova in my skill tree.
This was SUPER useful as I'm just getting into VH and am overwhelmed by all of the things. Pretty much just cycling through all of your videos at this point :D Thank you for making them!
A really informative video. Without this I would have never (well not for a long while at least) discovered:
-Nova Poison
-Rampage Chaining
-Mana Shield
-Dash Bullet
I'm going to have a lot of fun testing these out later ^^
Also fear is arguably A or even S tier in my books. If you use them for the purpose shown in the video, yea it's not that great. But fear is amazing when you need that 1 second more to break a spawner or you need the mobs to back off immediatly. Can't remember how many times it saved me being 1 hit away from death and being able to cast them away.
After all, it's not about the skills, it's how you use them 😉
I use Nova for the exact same reason, hit spawner, when they summon, hit Nova, freeze them for the remainder until the spawner is broken, then reverse to take them on when they finally unfreeze
About the fear, you said until you have a vault full of mobs. Let them walk in a line and bullet true them, all dead!😂This video was really helpful, ty
they spread out and run in random directions, you'd have to wait for fear to end which is just wasted time.
At level 50 mana shield is going to be op -80% health, no problem
I've been running a max DPS build using Vamp and Cleanse and healing clouds. Definitely not optimal, but it's fun not relying on the OP heal spam ability.
That does sound super fun. I want to build a max tank build with ward, mana shield and taunt. I think that would be super fun
@@Hellfirem4ge That sounds great. Thank god for regret orbs! Lets us try out different strats at different points in the game.
26:30 - hmm I think it's fine to keep both on S.
it's good at the start because it is movement then it becomes damage.
usually investing too many points for an effect is bad as seen previously but in bullet's case you have an S ability that you're investing on before it becomes high free damage.
the same way dash is very very useful and it will become damage if you invest points into it. As soon as there's enough you just get a S tier damage for free.
that closes the loop that makes both abilities capable of being S tier at the same time.
I'm glad i found your channel. i just started playing VH a couple months ago and these videos have been helping answer a bunch of the questions i've been having.
one thing i'd change on this list is bumping frost nova up a bit. while the enemies can hit you still, you can zoop through them and thwack them with no resistance.
i'm bias tho, i'm a sucker for good Croud Control.
Haha tbh a bunch has changed, I'll most likely remake this at some point in the future anyway with a bunch of things changed 😊
@@Hellfirem4ge oh definitely. So far I've been using these videos as a "here's something that could be good to look into"
Oh really now? Well I'm not gonna miss it.
You got a great channel by the way, Love the energy :D
Can we get a new version of all these tier lists? Please. They’re soo good but a lot of things seem to have changed compared to the videos. I’ve only recently started but I’m loving it!
Any chance you do another one of these? I think with a lot of the point changes like for vein miner for instance amongst other abilities changing a ton that half the list could use a revisit
Yep 😊 it's the first on my list to do once I'm back 😊
@@Hellfirem4ge Looking forward to the updated list :) Found your channel with your ispawners vs cagerium video, great work! :)
I just have to add one thing about heal aid, I’m playing coop with friends now and honestly it’s way worse than you think, we all always just go different ways because looting together actually is harder than with on your own and the extra mana cost is pain especially early game
My only issue with Mana Shield is I believe right now you have to select the skill and then use G to toggle it on and off. Which is kind of annoying. I know Iskall said on Pete’s stream they plan on fixing that and rebalancing it at some point as well.
Taunt Fear has saved my ass several times and given me a second to pick mobs off with a xbow if I get overwhelmed. However, I think later game ghost walker will be significantly better. I may end up specking out of Fear now and go into ghost walker.
Would you be willing to revisit this now that the skills have gone through a major overhaul? I'm thinking it would be pretty hard though because of how well skills interact. For example, frost-nova + blizzard + passive frost skills is pretty powerful. Maybe it would be better to look at skill builds?
Loving your vids btw.
It is something I'm thinking about but I think we need to revisit some others first 😊
Looking forward to it! Take your time tho~💙 @@Hellfirem4ge
I never knew the Legendary Hellfire had a RUclips channel?!?! Also glad you mentioned Mana Shield I sadly haven't been able to play Vault Hunters because my PC doesn't want to work ever, but when I watch like Iskall or Captain Sparklez or someone else and they go through reading the abilities and then read Mana Shield but decide it's not worth it and skip it every time I'm like that sounds worth trying it sounds amazing to have, and it looks like my suspicions were true it is very powerful definitely been slept on.
Though maybe some of the VH SMP members have found it I'm very far behind on streams.
It is super strong especially at low levels and should still be amazing once they fix the armour bug that makes it worse at high levels ☺️ even with the bug, it still saves your life a lot
I just got invested into vault hunters and I gotta say this is the video I'd been looking for bc the spread sheets and other info on the ability aren't updated or aren't accurate. A lot of help from this thanks mate.
No problem! There's been a few changes since this video and I'll be releasing a new version in a few weeks but it should get you started ☺️
@@Hellfirem4ge I look forward to the next video and have a quick question if you could do a video on like your early game gear to late game gear set ups
Poison nova for some reason will perma freeze the game when used. All mobs that you hit that would die to the poison or are in a large group stop the game. You can still move but your vault timer will be frozen and mobs won't move, and you cannot loot or leave the vault.
Yeah it's a known bug but is wildly inconsistent. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. It's only happened to me once during testing
Nice video as always! Loved it! Can you also make a guide on vault gear. Like do enchantments affect it, or only tool vise affects it, etc. etc.
Already done that one ☺️ it was my first 1.18 video ☺️
I stopped playing vault hunters after my friends stopped playing, and i see this video with so many new abilities and i remember why i played in the first place. Iskall and the team really put a lot of work into this.
Aw man that sucks! Yeah there's so much new stuff it's great! Still a lot of work to go into it but it is in alpha so that's expected but it's fun to play!
I couldn't quite tell there, but did Dash Bullet give you I Frames? Do you take damage while dashing through enemies, or was that just an unfortunate hit before you activated it in that clip?
You can take damage but I've never been hit more than once even when dashing through 20+ enemies 😊
Oh wow. I had no idea mana shield was this good!
Hey, what about re-doing this video for the curent version? I would love to see your opinion on Javelin and the new dash specialization, and also at all the number rebalances.
I may well do that ☺️
Amazing video ima be picking up some mana shield when I get my next skill points very helpful video :0
Cultivator is actually good, because you can't bonemeal melons/pumpkins to get more instantly. It's the only non-mod way to get them quickly without doing massive vanilla farms. Important when both are rather common requirements for lower level crystals, and certainly worth 1 point.
I think especially now that there's the enhancement upgrades, farmer etc in general has got a lot better
i dont think u know this (since you placed mana shield in s tier), if mana shield wasnt bugged, i would agree
but at the moment mana shield DOES NOT take into account any armor u have on you, which means its basicly useless at higher lvl vaults, as 3 attacks from basic mobs would litearly consume your entire mana bar (since it takes mana per dmg u take). obviously u wouldnt notice anythin wrong with it if ur doing a test without armor at a lvl 0 vault lol.
haha well that makes sense :P It still seemed to work at higher levels but was draining more mana. I just assumed that was due to the increased damage, but it was still super worth using to avoid being killed super quick :)
About vein miner-->void, if only vault ores are exceptional to being voided in a vault, doesn't that mean breaking coin piles will void them, or worse, vein mining multiple chests(which I think can still be done with wooden chests) voids the loot?
I have tested it and it doesn't void the loot 😊
@@Hellfirem4ge and the coins?
@@rudrodeepchatterjee same thing, it classes as loot so doesn't get voided ☺️
@@Hellfirem4ge oh. Ok.
Ahh, I'm so glad you put that terrible farmer ability at the bottom. Nothing clickbait about the thumbnail at all.. :p
Cleanse absolutely does not do what it does in 1.16. 1.16 Cleanse I used to let myself get poisoned etc. Hell, poison was one of my favourite modifiers for vaults. Max out cleanse, choose the "get a random buff" one (even though 1 was useless, strength 3, 1 was broken, luck 3) the 1 in 3 chance of getting Regen 2 was insanely strong.
Well if I put them in the right place, it would spoil the surprise 😅
Tbh cleanse in it's raw form isn't even as good because poison and wither seem a less common in the vaults than they did in 1.16
Please do a updated version.
Thanks for the great content about this modpack in your channel
Fear could be combined with nova poison to clear the room after fear ends
Oooh interesting idea
For farmer & its variants, while they're very much so earlygame abilities (the moment you can auto-farm the produce they lose a lot of value) I'd say that the variants that are able to work on things that can't be bone mealed (sugar cane & nether wart namely) are pretty useful if you need decent amounts of them on demand (i.e. if you decide you really want to use a firework launcher as a weapon in vaults, since fireworks are pretty strong & AOE if you can avoid getting hit by them yourself in the close quarters environment of a vault)
I think the biggest problem with the farmer group of abilities is that they can be replaced with just having some pistons and observers or at a high end, a slime block harvester. (or in animal's case, farm blocks). In a sky vaults world where you may not have easy early access to nether quartz, iron, and redstone however they're a bit better due to the ammount of time it can take to get resources for vanilla autofarms. (given how easy a mob farm is to make in skyblock, base farmer is arguably worse there due to the abundance of bones you can get though).
I would also argue that mana shield should be A-tier because it also needs 10 Skill points to have max lvl same as execute u put in A tier
True but I would say that at max level, mana shield is significantly better than execute
I think cultivator is actually C tier because melons and pumpkins only require one growth state to grow a new melon/pumpkin. Using it with an auto harvester as I've been doing, it's alright.
Still sucks it used mana though.
even though eternals are broken I find their weakness aura really powerful and still very useful
Mine just died in like 2 seconds every time I summoned it so I just cried in a corner 😅
@@Hellfirem4ge was the armour you put on the eternal at or below the eternal's level? just wondering if this is indeed a bug or if they follow the same rules as players, being that you can't use armour above your level.
@@Prophetbomb yeah I thought that too, I tried level 0 armour, level 15 armour, level 100 armour, different levels of the eternal, using multiple eternals and it all had the same issue
@@Hellfirem4ge interesting, thanks for the reply! i recently got my first eternal and thought i just needed to level him to be useful
I got farmer, thinking it was good. Immediately put a regret point into it as soon as I could
I was so hyped for it and then was like... Oh... Cool. Cool cool cool
Drill is S tier in skyvaults. Its omega usefull to gather blocks faster then vein mine in the vaults
That does make sense 🙂
An S-tier guide as always!! :D
Taunt should have been specialization of tank
Hey just a quick thing i noticed but Hunter: Observer. Basicly Highlights ANY Objective. Including vault altars
Fear seems like it would have amazing synergy with the bullet dash. You can fear the enemies a couple times to do what you want, and then you retreat while you still have some mana left and bullet dash to kill them all once they're all lined up chasing you.
I would give + the farmer's abilities only for the fact that I once pumped it up to quickly multiply the hellish growth, and then reset it. Yes, I spent 1 regret orb, but it was worth it
It's definitely much better since they buffed it :)
So im just getting into vault hunters, and is this guide still accurate? I noticed that now the stonefall ability has some sub abilities in my game
Most of them are still accurate but there's been some big changes to hunter, mana shield and stonefall.
In general stonefall and hunter are slightly better, mana shield is a bit worse
Hey nice video for a good overview and getting into it :) What do you think in which the dash teleportation (arrow) would go? Worth it?
I think it's incredibly fun and good for high levels, but I wouldn't pick it as one of my first skills ☺️
@@Hellfirem4ge Wow thanks for the fast answer, couldn't even boot the game so fast :D xD Have a good time :)
@@Someone-wg3pv No problem! 😃 I'll be sure to do an update video for this one in a few weeks as well with all the new skills etc
Fear alongside dash bullet though, now we're cookin'
Nice breakdown of the skills very helpful! One thing I am not sure on though is the Tank ability? The tooltip says you get "extra resistance EVERY TIME you take a hit from a mob. The extra resistance STACKS lasts for a duration of time as long as you keep gettting hit". If that's the case with the first hit at max level you get 50% resistance, then on the next hit if its within the duration you would get 100% resistance? Or would you get 75% resistance because you get another stack of 50% resistance on the already halved damage? Or does it not stack in that way and the tooltip is just making things confusing with its wording? I am just not sure if Tank is stronger than you are giving it credit for.
From experiments it just seems to be a flat 50%. I could be wrong but it didn't seem to go to 100%
@@Hellfirem4ge Nice, yeah I tested as well and got the same results. Interesting that the tooltip is worded that way. Might put it forward as a suggestion in the discord to reword it. Seems its where it belongs on the list XD
Props for the intro!!!
Thanks! Glad you liked it 😅
Idk if I there is a point, but do you think it’s a possibility you do the same video but for talents? Because I want to spec into them just not knowing what’s good and what’s bad? And maybe even throw in archetypes?
I definitely want to do them but talents are a bit strange in 1.18. It is on my list to go over though so I will most likely do one in the future on it ☺️
I took heal then i accidentally clicked cleanse luckily my sever mates are nice and gave me a flask
(My phone loves to have seizures thats why it said island island instead of i 😅)
Awww that's nice of them! I would have been devastated 😅
What happens if you combine manashield and thorns?
The world ends
@@Hellfirem4ge oh no
Also that was the quickest reply ever
Could you remake this with the new updated vault hunters?
I'll do another one once it's in beta, there's not much point doing one after every few updates 🙂
@@Hellfirem4ge ok thank you for responding do you know how long it will take to be in beta?
Farmer is B or A tier. Whack 1 point into it and it does wonders. Especially the specialisations for things that can't be bonemealed
Vault hunters reminds me of D&D
Vault hunters is 100% dnd but with less dice rolls
shouldn't chain be higher then rampage?
on min level chain you get 300% dmg to 3 targets, and on the same level of rampage you get 110% dmg to one target
on the max level of chain you get 400% dmg to 4 targets, and on the max level of rampage you get 260% dmg to one
if I'm wrong correct me
I think chain is just better for dmg as long as you fight more then one mob
It depends how you look at it. If you're fighting bosses or 1-2 enemies then rampage is better, if you happen to have a bunch of enemies about, chain is great. Also you have to remember than you can get chaining/cleave on weapons already which would reduce the effectiveness of the ability significantly
Have a few of these abilites changes on the ranking with patch 5 live?
Possibly ☺️ I haven't fully gone through them all again since patch 5 but I'll certainly be revisiting them. Although that being said, I don't think most of them have changed that much. It's more the talents that have become a lot more expensive and some changed to things like heal have had a bit of an impact
I think update 9 will make cleanse viable without even factoring in whatever changes iskall is making to cleanse itself. This is because he's said vampire will be good enough that you could theoretically make a build that doesn't need heal and just heals from vampire.
That would be super dope!!! I've been wanting to run a vamp build since day 1
Please update this, the stats for some of these are different for the current version
omg i been sleeping on mana shield.
Can Hunter help me find chests that's in a treasure room? Just so i can try to quickly LOOK for treasure rooms for the key that I have?
So many people have, it's insane
stonefall and all the other fall damage canceling abilities are kinda useless when you learn how to right click the ground with a water bucket imo. Plus water buckets in the early game are really useful for kiting mobs
This is very true until you die trying to put water on a slab after running from a mob and lose all your stuff 🤔
Can mobs damage you while you dash through them with bullet?
Powerful it may be, but you literally throwing your body at them so seems very risky
They can but I've never taken more than a heart of damage. You also technically don't have to directly hit them, there is a slight aoe so you could just get very close
Could you do another video of this again but from the perspective of sky vaults?
I honestly haven't played sky vaults much at all so I'm not the best person to be making that guide ☺️
@@Hellfirem4ge oh ok but ty anyways
I think you should do a poll on whether u shud make a big documentary of sorts on all the new mods and all the knowledge stars and all . I would definitely watch it!❤🎉
So the problem with something on that scale is you have to sacrifice something to make it work. When I make mod guides, I like to dive really in depth with them so they often last 15-30 mins. If I was to look at all the mods, I would basically have to gloss over them and given the depth some of them need, I'm not convinced that would be a good idea.
That being said, I will be making a video on the new mods added with 1.18, as well as more individual mod guides.
I also plan on making a beginners guide but given how fast things are changing in alpha, I've decided to put that on hold for now
@@Hellfirem4ge Wow… sooo make a mod guide then. Industrial foregoing or thermal expansion wud be my choice tbh
Also a small query. I am trying to go to level 300 in the update using cheats any fast way to do it I tried the command but it bugs out at lvl 100
@@junk7468 in 1.18? The max level is 100
@@Hellfirem4ge oh lmao
In a party, could 2 people use execute at max lvl to instantly kill the boss?
I don't see why not
Does group heal work like a potion aoe against mobs like zombies?
I don't believe so but I might have just missed it
does ramapage dmg stack if I use poison while in rampage?
I am not sure 🤔 I would think so since poison is flat damage but certainly worth testing ☺️
FYI as of right now nova poison crashes your game/server when used
See I've had that happen once but when we tested it on stream, we hit like 5 mobs with it and it didn't so idk what was going on
Will you make a update for the new stonefall specialization?
Maybe ☺️ i have a pretty packed schedule this week but I will see what I can do ☺️
@@Hellfirem4ge cant wait to your opinion on the update 5 patch!
Video idea run a vault with just mana shield no armour
Interesting 🤔 also I forgot to test if mana shield stops fall damage, I need to check that
@@Hellfirem4ge that would make it an even better ability. Its looking like mana shield is just broken, especially with gear to accommodate the ability. Definitely a must have imo
I feel like you underrated and misrepresented Fear in terms of its potential in the vaults and how it works.
Fear is great for two things : clearing and giving you time to break a spawner, and allowing you time to build a pillar. The idea that the vault will just become
filled with mobs that you didn’t deal with is a huge misrepresentation of how the ability actually works. The third thing the ability is great for is getting away from ambush spawners; combined with dash you can use both abilities to get de-Aggro, get away, and build a pillar or leave the room.
I would put Fear in S tier for this reason. It is excellent in the vault at all levels of play, but most especially in solo play as you have no one watching your back.
Nicely put. Personally I would still rather just kill the mobs and there's a bunch of different "panic button" options. You could just dash bullet and get rid of your problem immediately so fear is just flat out less good than that. There's definitely a case for A tier for sure but I don't think it can be put on the same level as heal and mana shield
Why push them away and stall the interaction when you could put those points in abilities that would give you better survivability or help you kill the mobs outright. Definitely not S tier IMO
@@Hellfirem4ge there are situations where Fear is better suited.
Let’s say you’re breaking a spawner, but mobs spawn on top of you, and you just need another second or two. Without fear, the mobs hit you, push you, and the spawner breaking resets. Sure, you can dash away and fight the mobs and come back, but then the process repeats itself because it’s one of those spawners that spit out mobs like nobodies’ business. One point in Fear fixes that immediately: they spawn, get feared, spawner breaks, saving you loads of precious seconds in the vault.
There are also types of POIs where dash as a panic button isn’t good enough. Take the mob iteration of X-Marks-The-Spot as an example. Mobs spawn below the X and on the surface. If you use dash to escape back to the surface, the mobs are often waiting to overwhelm you, and you don’t have a second dash. There are POI’s that require you to enter a mini-room with multiple spawners where there’s no room to dash, or POI’s that require you to go through one block into an underground mini-room where if you get spawned on it’ll be difficult to aim the dash. Or when you’re getting up to those ceiling POIs and it’s better to push off the 3 mobs that just spawned instead of risking that they’ll knock you off of your pillar, and they die when they reach the ground instead of you.
The de-Aggro aspect is really what makes fear great. I’m sure in Harder modes (I’m playing normal) when enemies start getting ranged attacks, Fear will be great as well to at least give you a few seconds where you’re not getting bricked by vault dwellers.
Other panic button options might require more than one point to really start reaching the point where they have the same value that just one point in Fear does.
I would say Fear does have the potential of falling off late game, but the one point early game can have tons of benefit and has saved my own life many times. Maybe the falling-off it eventually does might cause it to be de-valued.
@@nib6383 you only need one point.
A lot of those ‘other skills’ require multiple points before they start getting anywhere.
Thanks for the interesting information.
Now you only need 4 skill points for max vein miner
Very fair tier list
Thanks 😃 It took a lot of research and input from the community ☺️
After watching pete test mana shield in a VOD from the 15th I think it's garbage. mobs were hitting him for about 30 mana. I guess the higher level you get the worse it is, anything above early game mana shield is a waste of 10 skill points.
It's not great for a massive amount of mobs but it is super amazing for bosses even at higher levels ☺️ we tested it at level 0, level 16 and level 50 and it was very useful at all levels
It's not great for a massive amount of mobs but it is super amazing for bosses even at higher levels ☺️ we tested it at level 0, level 16 and level 50 and it was very useful at all levels
@@Hellfirem4ge Yeah Im not sure why your test results were so much different honestly. 1 mob hit pete for 30+ mana at lvl 45 or so
Yeah it's a bit odd but could be armour differences, random crits, all sorts of things I guess 🤔 if they're hitting 30 mana, that would be like a lot of health to lose so you're looking at basically one shot potential at that point
YES NEW TIERLIST
I think they would need to nerf mana shield because it's too op.
Shhhh don't let nerfskall hear you say that 😅
welp here comes the mana shield nurf lol
What server is this?
This is just my 1.18 Vault Hunters single player testing world ☺️
@@Hellfirem4ge ok so what is vault hunters?
@@Terashi it's a modpack made by Iskall85, and you basically have different dungeons to clear and loot and that fuels hour progress in the overworld, allowing you to gain access to more mods as you get through the pack ☺️ it's super cool, I would recommend
@@Hellfirem4ge Will do.
Sadly they removed the archetypes in Vault hunters 3rd edition
I am playing the latest version... Is this video still relevant - kindly reply!**
Some things have changed but a lot of the good skills are still good ☺️ I'd use it more of a "maybe look into these" list now
@Hellfirem4ge I should've commented after I watched the video 😅
Thank you!
Since I've got your attention - I really think you have the potential to be the main Vault Hunters guide channel. I find it really hard to get up to date info on the game. As I am typing this as I am binging your guides, but there is still much to learn (new skills, mods to unlock first, I can't seem to find all the unique ores on lvl 13, new rooms, etc.).
Keep on keeping on!
Thanks ☺️ I'm taking a bit of a break from VH guides currently (although I'll still be doing mod guides) but once things move properly into beta and we get more updates, I may well be back making guides for VH again ☺️
@Hellfirem4ge Any suggestions as to where find more info?
Personnally I would enjoy a general tips and tricks video.
Obviously I follow Iskall's channels, but he mainly does playthroughs though...
Not specifically on the guide side. I know ozoneB does the update roundup videos and the leftovers smp has some great players who you could follow to learn a lot from but that's more of the let's play side of things ☺️
You should redo this video. The pack has changed so much.
Trinket Teir List?
Oooooh
This video, if iskall sees this, will get mana shield nerfed
Hahaha I fully expect that. I would trade mana shield for the old version of twerker though
@@Hellfirem4ge facts.
10:17
I feel like ghost walk negating fall damage is going to and should be patched. By buying stone fall, I essentially bought a worse version of ghost walk lol
Farmer at D.......... I hardly disagree
Definitely the worst skill in vault hunters
make a new one
10:30 Oh right! This is why I stopped playing and watching everything doing with Vault Hunters, too much whining about not being stupidly OP, one of poor Iskall's server mates being the biggest culprit from what I remember!
It's one thing wanting everything to be op, it's another to know that a skill is fundamentally terrible like farmer and I will die on that hill 😅
Let's go
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