Folding KINGS Preflop - NO WAY????
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2023
- Have you ever folded pocket kings preflop? Not many people have, especially when they only have 19 big blinds in a poker tournament! Watch to see if Juan Pardo can make the correct fold in a $125,000 Triton Poker Main Event in London. He gets a bit of extra information in this poker hand that he shouldn't have had. That might make this decision a little easier. What do you think?
Only 6 players remain in the $125,000 Triton Main Event and the ICM pressure is huge as the pay jumps for each place are extremely significant. Juan Pardo will be fully aware of this which could factor into his decision as he sits there with the 2nd best hand in all of poker.
Jonathan agrees with Chidwick's decision to cold 4-bet from the small blind vs the 3-bet from Thorel. AK suited is a poker hand that should be more than happy getting all of the money in for less than 40 big blinds preflop. One of the first things you learn as a poker player is that when it goes raise, re-raise and then re-raise from 3 different players - you should fold almost everything! This includes Dan 'Jungleman' Cates' pocket jacks that he correctly pitches into the muck very quickly when facing the 4-bet from Chidwick.
Jonathan is shocked that Juan Pardo managed to find the correct fold with pocket kings in this spot. You just have to know so specifically that one of your opponents has aces to find this fold. Jonathan says that Chidwick is often going to use Ax as 4-bet bluffs and even his 4-bets for value which then will block the combinations of specifically pocket aces that Thorel could have.
Jean-Noel Thorel is a 76 year old French amateur poker player. He has over $13,800,800 in live tournament earnings putting him in the top 100 on the all-time money list, and 2nd on the French all time money list. He is an entrepreneur and pharmacist. He is the founder and CEO of Naos, a French cosmetics company. This poker result was a career high score for him.
Stephen Chidwick is a 34 year old professional poker player from England. He has over $53,000,000 in live tournament earnings putting him top 5 on the all-time money list.
Juan Pardo Domínguez is a professional poker player from Spain. He has over $8,000,000 in live tournament earnings putting him 169th on the all-time money list.
This Triton series was held at the JW Marriott Grosvenor House, London, United Kingdom, it had 17 events ranging with buy-ins from $25,000 up to $200,000 in No Limit Hold'em, Pot Limit Omaha and Short-Deck.
🔥 This hand took place during the 2023 $125,000 Triton Poker Series London Main Event! The blinds were at 200k/400k/400k(Big Blind Ante) and this preflop war will have you on the edge of your seat!
💥 Pre-flop Fireworks:
Juan Pardo, a high stakes poker professional from Spain, opens the action with a raise to 400,000 from under the gun, but Thorel in the hijack quickly responds with a 3-bet to 1,000,000. The plot thickens as Stephen Chidwick in the small blind decides to make his move, and 4-bets to 2,300,000. In an unexpected turn, Thorel makes an out-of-turn shove, putting his entire stack of 7,700,000 on the line. With this extra information Pardo decides to make the fold, and Chidwick now faces a crucial decision for almost 20 big blinds. Find out what they all had by watching this poker video!
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Do YOU think Juan Pardo would have still folded if Jean-Noel Thorel did not shove out of turn?
No, I don't think he would fold there had it not been for the out of turn action. As for the question, have I ever folded KK preflop? Not that I can remember. If I did, it would have been in a satellite where 3 people got a seat and I was chip leader. I do recall being in that position once where I simply waited everyone out to claim my seat, but that was 20 years ago, so I don't remember if I ever had any extremely strong hands.
Of course not, that'd be crazy.
Nope! JNT made a huge booboo in terms of lost equity
@marksimpson2321 the irony is that, in a vacuum, JNT made a mistake. But because Pardo folded, that got him action from Chidwick, so the premature allin actually got him an extra couple million chips.
No
Chidwick is really upset, and Pardo is really happy, that JNT jammed out of turn. If he hadn't, it would have most likely ended up with Chidwick getting away from it and Pardo being stacked instead.
I'm not a big tells guy, but alot of these older guys are leaking them, most likely due to age (ie no filter)
Chadwick is never told this hand
@@onone1100 You mean "folding." He absolutely would if Pardo went all-in and JNT rejammed. It would be insane to call it off after 2 jams.
@@MaydayAggroHE IS NOT FOLDING 💜💪🏼 CLOSE TO TWO2ONE
@@SENSUI347 what does two to 1 have to do with it? What are the odds of winning against at least one AA or KK? Are they 2 to 1? Not even close against AA. And he's still short vs KK. You think Chidwick is going to make a losing call like you would?
Yes, I folded KK once several years ago in a casino tourney. Early in tourney, 1st Pos raised normal, I am in 3rd pos with KK and I 3-bet to 3x raise. Then, 6th pos re-raises all-in. And 1st pos also goes all-in. I look at both guys and say, "it feels like at least one of you have aces" I fold my KK face-up. The other two guys turn their cards over, and both of them have AA.
Nice
Never folded kings but could see doing it in a spot with massive ICM implications. However, I think I’m more likely to fold AK than KK since with AK you’re most likely flipping or chopping at best. With KK, normally, you have more equity.
I HAVE folded KK preflop, but only once at a house game where I knew the player VERY well and knew she would only get that confident with AA
Nice soul read, saved you at least $1. Go buy a pack of gum now, you deserve it
@@Forever_Laura LOL
@6:40 - Cates' head ballooning 😆Nice touch
Jungleman's head inflating like a balloon upon learning Juan Pardo's hand is *chef's kiss*
Such an insane dynamic spot, esp when so many of the hands your opponents can have block your outs to improve, or are crushing you, or you're crushing them. It would be interesting to do a breakdown of this hand from each player's perspective. That's somewhat what this video is, but to really focus on some of the key positions from start to end would also be interesting.
I was surprised how quickly the pocket jacks went into the muck. I understand the logic and I'm sure it was correct, it was just surprising initially.
Folded KK pre 3 times in my life. I was right twice.
I have folded pocket kings pre-flop once, in a cash game. I opened from UTG, middle position 3 bet, button 4 bet, and the the small blind - the tightest player at the table, who hadn’t played a single hand in almost TWO HOURS, 5 bet shoved. MP called with QQ, SB indeed had AA.
Nice fold. Saved you at least $1 in the penny game you were playing.
LOL. Was in a 2/5 cash game at the Commerce Casino in LA.
I've folded KK twice preflop. Right both times. First, 4 handed final table. OMC I play with for years opens UTG. I three bet. Folds to OMC who jams. He was the table short. I was chip leader. But it was a bit % of my stack to call. I show my KK and muck. One of the other players called collusion. Before the floor came over OMC showed his AA. Second time, 125 person Saturday local tour. 17 left. Utg (chip leader) opens unusually large. He was ABC player. Fish flats. I'm 2nd in chips on button I 3 bet KK unusually large to get UTG a bad price to call. But UTG goes all in. I fold. Fish calls w 99. Utg had AA. He's not 4 betting AK or QQ. So he has AA or KK. I block most KK so it was an easy fold. He and I chopped heads up a few hrs later
I have folded AK off and QQ in a very similar spot.
Deep tournament, All in from early position ( 10BB+), all in from another player, and a flat from a very tight player ( deep stack) in late position.
In both cases the flat caller had AA and KK respectively.
You’re the best Jonathan keep it up!
I folded pocket KK's preflop in a WSOP 2023 $1500 tourney, play was UTG simple raise. I in MP raised 3X his total bet. High Jack called, everyone else folded. Back to WTG, raises all in (effectively 10X my bet or 60BB). The difficulty in my spot was action behind me as well as the all in. I agonized over it, but rationalized a fold that it was early tournament and could recover if I was letting it go. I also felt the HJ was a conservative player that could possibly smooth call behind and the all in raiser either had it or didn't but may it an incredibly tough position for me to come along, had it been h2h I would have called and lived with it but both opportunity for either to have it just felt that I was behind. I folded KK, the high jack also folded face up showing QQ, and I later mentioned to that player I had folded KK. The UTG player didn't show. I know many will side I should have shoved, maybe I should have since later in the tourney(about 5 hours later) I busted out anyway. 🙂
I have folded KK’s in a tournament at the New Orleans in Vegas, UTG raised, I was to UTG +1, I re-raised, action folded to UTG and re-raised me. And I took a long time and folded my KK’s faced up and UTG showed his AA’s!
Never show
I once got into early tournament freezout finals of a local 20weeks tourney (to get your entry) up against a player I respected and considered to be one of the few top players there. He sent in his entire 300bb stack and I gave it a long thought and eventually called. People called me crazy for thinking that long until the other guy turned over aces. So. I was very close to folding KK preflop but was lacking the discipline at that time
Sometimes instinct is more important than mere odds calculation
when you respect his play you have to call his allin...
i remember watchin this live, couldn’t believe my eyes🤣not only the hands but the out of turn all in. wild.
i don't think chidwick thought this through. the original raiser is UTG and he gets reraised. what does he think the other two have? or that the other two don't respect the UTG ranges? i would fold AKs in his place, not 4-bet and then call an all in
I folded KK preflop a few weeks ago.
Some background info on villain: only seen him three bet two or three times, he had AA each time. Saw him flat AQs and AK before in a multiway pot, so he is super, super tight and passive. Earlier in the session, I doubled up through him when I bet called a three bet preflop with 77 and flopped a set. He has like $1000 in 1-2, I have $400. Check, call, check, het bets $50, I min raise, and he goes all in.
So the hand I folded KK. After I had doubled up through him, maybe 2 hours later (and by this time I had 900-1000 in my stack) I open UTG to 4 BB, he three bets in later position to 15 BB. The button or small blind flats. I four bet to 60 BB. He goes all in, has me covered, for like $1000 or $1100. So his five bet is from 55 BB to 500 BB. I folded without thinking too long.
That "all in" out of turn from the french recreational guy sounded so sure happy and euphoric at the same time. Clear tell + the positional configuration. I would have folded KK as well
i've folded pocket KK pre flop before, but that,s only because i had a excellent read on my opponent, heck i've even folded pocket AA on a flop turn that went AJJ,4,J, because i knew with close to 100% certainty that he had the jack.
Younger version of myself once folded pocket kings after I hit a set on the flop, felt certain by the actions of my heads up opponent that he had flopped Broadway with AQ
After folding my kings face up, he gracefully showed me ace queen not sure if I would do the same 20 years later
Pardo also called King high hero call later =on in triton FT, i think with 3 left. You should cover that hand
I've seen AA fold pre-flop. It wasn't me, but with the bubble looming, I saw someone fold them, face up, to a larger stack's all-in.
Was the fold the right choice?
It was a pre-flop fold, that avoided missing the bubble, but probably was not the 'GTO correct' play.
I have not folded kings but thank you for the advice, I jammed after someone 3 bet with jacks 2 times in a row yesterday and ran into aces and queens. Guess I found out the hard way :))
You sure did, Luckily you play penny stakes so you only lost around $2
@@Forever_Laurasuch a clever comment you made 80 times
@@vecter Thanks for your support
One time I was on the button with KK. There wasn't under the gun raise. And a very tight player who never three bet three bet. I knew we had aces. He only had a 150 behind. So I knew I wasn't getting the pod odds but I ended up calling anyway and he had AA.
Almost down to the exact spot same thing happened to me. Old lady sitting beside me had played maybe 3 hands in the hour and a half she was beside me and only limped the hands she did play. I open she 3 bets I 4 bet and she rips it. Folding kings pre is probably one of the most difficult things to do even when you know you need to. I call, and the entire time im praying that a K comes out because i knew it was my only shot at seeing my stack again but low and behold both of my outs were probably thrown in the muck and forgotten about by old man coffee #1 and #2. She flips over the aces and i beat myself up so bad that day and to make it better not long after i lost another buyin with kings full to quads. By far the worst day I've ever had playing poker. But that was early on in my poker playing and my first time playing live and I've learned alot since then lol. Especially about how tight old people are typically in live cash
Had kings at a home game. I 3 bet and then got 4 bet. I was thinking of calling or 5 betting and the guy literally told me he had aces. He seemed very genuine when he said it so I reluctantly folded. I showed and he showed aces and proceeded to ask me how can i fold kings preflop hahaha
Wow nice job saving at a minimum $1 since the stakes you play are ultra-low
I have yet to fold KK preflop, although I did fold QQ once in an online tournament. I only had 5bbs and I would have won the hand and basically quadrupled up if I called, so I felt a little sick about the fold afterwards. But it was also a final table, and my opponents who had played relatively straightforward up to that point were suddenly piling money in, so in hindsight I think the fold was fine. I laddered one or two more spots before busting shortly after.
Way to ladder up and bank the extra $2
You fold Queens preflop w 5 BB in ur stack? You need to seriously rethink how you play poker
@@jacksonwildermuth7315 I'm sorry that my poor play so deeply affected your psyche
@@Forever_Laura Thanks! I'm looking forward to my next $8.75 score
i foled qq before bubble, once i allin and become the bubble boy
I have fold KK when there was only 1 player left to bust to win the satty ticket .
After raising pre-flop on dealer with kings, I got re-raised by underthegun 2x my raise. Pot goes three ways to flop. Random card, and two queens. The individual who reraised me then jams for alil less than equal to my stack. After seeing the flop and taking a long time to think, I fold. Flopped himself three of a kind, guy who was also in the action told me he had AK offsuit.
Yes. I was playing one Friday and I played bad and I told myself that I felt like the poker gods were forcing me to fold pocket, aces or pocket kings in order to get my shit together.
Two days later on Sunday tournament I’m on the button pocket I raised three and half times big blind. Two players called.
Flop comes A , 5, 8
Villain one checks
Villain two checks
I raise the pot.
First villain folds, second villain, re-raises three times my bet.
I went to the tank for it felt like ever. And I remembered what I said on Friday and I looked at the dude and I said I don’t know how but I know you have Ace and I showed him my kings and folded.
He did not show me the cards. But I knew I made a great play and when we came back from a break I casually asked him if he had an ace there and he let it slip that he did. A Q suited.
I just knew I was right. I felt so good after that fold. I went on and got 8th in that tournament.
Nice job on placing 8th and banking a whopping $3
Folded KK pre flop on a pay bubble when utg shoved, he had been stalling for the bubble and woke up with something.
He had AA
The only time I can remember I've folded KK pre was an online satellite on the stone bubble with like 20 seats and I was in 5th at the time. I'd've probably folded AA in that spot too.
Understand the fold with ICM, although still so hard to do real time. Absolute legend. Folded Kings once preflop, but it was actually pretty easy. Total nit opens 4x from UTG, three bet next to him, even nittier guy takes one look at his cards on the button and shoves faster than Usain Bolt. I look down at two red Kings in the big blind, and laugh as I fold. UTG re shoves, three bettor shrugs and calls, Aces versus Queens versus Aces. UTG and the button chop up the three bettor's chips, and I move on to the next hand. Real time tells can make you do some crazy things in this great game...
I have folded KK preflop but it was a situation where I was playing micro-stakes cash against players that ONLY 4-bet AA/KK (1% 4bet over their hand histories with me) and I had KK blocking KK so I knew I was dead (6 combos of AA and 1 combo of KK, maybe they had some AKs occasionally as bluff but that is only a max of 2 combos of hands I'm ahead of and 1 combo I'm usually chopping against 6 combos I'm dead to; this was also a massive all-in 4-bet vs size of pot). Very specific situation against players that probably don't exist in the wild these days (this was a while back). The other main time it is correct is a satellite tournament where there is a bunch of short stacks and you're a big stack vs the only other big stacks all in on the bubble (ICM correct but I don't play satellites much so it never came up for me).
I've folded KK twice in different 1/2 games where 3 bet pots were exceptionally rare, and they were both 5bet jams over 250 bb effective. I was correct once and incorrect once.
I folded KK preflop once. Was a similar situation and I knew the player well. He only jams with AA on a 3 bet. Against a reraise he would have just called with KK.
There was an under the gun raise , a reraise , and then he jammed. I was next with KK.
Everyone at the table knew he had aces
First, let me start by saying I have no idea what the payouts are here or the money bumps for an ICM calculation. However, I have to imagine they are large for a high roller tournament like this one. Thorel and Chadwick have very similar stack sizes in play (Cates also has a similar size)... I have to think there is a HUGE ICM Risk Premium here for Pardo, the short stack. Regardless of who wins Thorel or Chadwick, assuming they end up all in, this helps Pardo just to FOLD and hang around for the money bump. I would think that his calling or jamming range post FLOP to this much aggression would be insanely thin due to ICM... maybe not "Kings thin", but damn close. I can justify a FOLD here hoping these two bigger stacks can eliminate one or the other from contention. This is a tough Fold but I think it is a well thought out one by Pardo. GTO'wise this is probably a call, but he made the correct exploit. Much respect for him finding the right Fold here.
PS: I think Thorel saved Pardo his stack by acting out of turn... I also think he acted out of turn on purpose (a bit of an angle) with the incorrect thought that he had a better chance against one opponent, and he wanted a fold.
So... here's my take. In a cash game, I don't think you can fold KK pre. Maybe in very special circumstances with a solid read of the villains you could possibly do it but it should be extraordinarily rare. In a tournament, I do think it's possible. It still requires pretty special circumstances, but I have actually seen it.
You can fold KKs preflop at 2-5 when anyone wants to get it all in 200+ bbs. Most players don’t jam AK plus you block it. Only 2 combos of AKs, 6 combos of AAs, and 2-5 players aren’t jamming QQs preflop for $1000+. I’ve folded KKs to many limp reraises all ins
Ive folded KK ip when two very nitty players 3 then 4 bet me.
And I laid down AA pre flop to a very weird 6bet in a super deep 1/2 cash game. Bricked the board, so saved a lot of heart ace. V had 94S. It was a strange game. 🤔
Folded KK preflop twice in my life, both times I was correct, both times in $1/2 cash games.
1. Super aggro table, hero limps UTG with KK with the intent to back-raise. UTG+1 shoves ~$30. Super aggro player in MP 3! to $75. BTN who has been playing super tight rips it in for $400. Hero tank folds, MP snap calls the $400. MP=77, BTN=AA, and of course the runout was Kxxxx.
2. Hero UTG+1 opens to $11, MP 3! to $25, folds around to hero who 4! to $75. MP 5! to $225, leaving himself about $75 behind. Hero folds KK face-up. MP was nice enough to show that he indeed had AA.
I’ve folded them once in 1-3 $300 max, I opened to $15, loose player raises to $35, extremely tight old man makes it $200. He had AA.I immediately folded it, didn’t even think about it, he had aces written on his forehead. 95% of low stakes players have AA or KK if they are trying to put their stack in preflop.
lol, it cracks me up that Thorel has "Police" written on his cap and shirt.
Yeah I’ve folded KK pre a few times and been right… not really a big deal if you know the player well! I mostly play cash games, folding in a tournament is actually tougher.
In my short poker career I have ran KK into AA 5 or 6 times and 2 of those times I knew I was up and AA because of the history I had with the players and I still wasn’t able to folds KK pre flop😅.
I forgot whether I’ve folded KK’s preflop before. But I have folded JJ KK AKS multiple times in low stakes cash because most players are so passive that they’re 3 Bet is always QQ+
some spots rule j.n. thorel's out of turn shove counts if pardo either calls or folds. others only if he folds is it forced to count. i'd bet jonathan knows which is more frequent, i'm thinking it's the first (if so the "action didn't change" till a raise was made). "changing" referring to the size of the bet, here j.n. thorel said "all in" vs what he thought was the 1.3 mil raise from chidwick. but if pardo first shoves for his remaining stack more than the 1.3, then thorel's not committed to go all in.
ali seems to think same as me, action only "changes" if another raise occurs before thorel's turn.
str up crazy how much expected equity thorel gave away here in doing this.
I folded KK... The situation was:
I played cash game in GGPoker 6-max 100bb stack
UTG raises 2x, UTG-1 3-bets 6.5x, I was sitting on LJ with KK.
I had a statistic of around 200 hands, that opponent on UTG-1 had around 2-3% of 3-bets, and he was sitting in a early pos.
I decided just to call with KK on LJ, but then initial raiser on UTG went 4-bet and UTG-1 went all-in
It was a very tough spot, I decided to finally fold there, and saw QQ on UTG and KK on UTG-1...
I wonder if he shoves when jnt doesn't slip all in out of turn
I was 10-tabling online and was late coming back from my break. Does that count ?????
Seriously though, only one time in a satellite when someone had me covered. He showed JJ. I will continue not folding KK pre.
Folded KK twice. Once in a satellite on bubble. Was in 3 or 4 place with decent stack, 10 got paid, 12 players left and a few of them were very short. Easy fold really.
Once in an online 6-max 0.25/0.50. UTG had AA, hijack or cutoff 3b and tight reg on button 4b with the other AA. I mucked KK in the big blind. Do remember one of the AA actually won as 4 of same suit were dealt out. Ouch!
Don't think I ever even brought myself to folding queens, though I remember spots where I should have
6:30 I've never folded kings pre I don't think. I might have in a super satellite but I wouldn't remember that.
1/3 $1300 effective. I'm UTG with KsKc and open to $15. MP raise to $45. SB calls. I 4-bet to $200. MP 5-bet to $650. SB fold. I tank fold since I have $1100 behind and this was the decision point.
I have folded KK once in my life. It was the one time I think a large portion of players can recognize the fold, wasn't super crazy. Live 2/5 full ring:
UTG ~1200 opens to $15.
UTG+1 ~$2500, raise to $45. (Fairly tight reg)
Button (me) ~$2500, raise to $115.
SB All in for ~$450
UTG All in for ~1200.
UTG+1 All in for ~2500.
Then I snap mucked because like wtf....???
Reveal: UTG+1 had AA, obviously. SB had JJ. UTG never showed, but i assume he had QQ or the remaining combo of KK, maybe AK seems like a stretch
Folded KK a couple times preflop. Last time was last week in a cash game. CO open, BTN 3bet, I 4bet from the BB. CO sticks it in and BTN also called! I pretty much snap folded Kings. It turned out that they both (!!!) had aces. Lol
I've folded AA pre several times.
I think this applies to advanced players. Most of the players at these online tables would 4Bet pocket 10s as well.
Having said that, I would not have folded in this situation. I would've gone all-in
I folded pocket kk in a home cash game for 140 BB. The action went UTG opens 2.5. UTG 2 to 9 BB. I was in the CO with KK and bet 32 BB and UTG Shoves. UTG Calls for less and i folded KK. UTG AA and UTG 2 Ace King
I have tanked for 2 minutes considering folding kings, cause I was 90% sure guy (absolute hecking nit) behind me had aces the way he 3 bet my raise big. But I did 4 bet shove, and he did call, with pocket aces. It was a cash game and we ran it twice and chopped though.
Folded pocket kings in a online tournament where i got to the final table with 3 BB's and half the table went all in before me in the small blind. Pretty easy fold tbh, and 3 players were killed by the chipleader, so easy money :D
I folded Kings pre three times and was right every time.
OMC limped UTG in a 1/2 cash game. I made it 7 with KK, he made it 27. I folded and showed, he showed me AA. Short and sweet :D :D
I have folded KK in an EPT main event early stage... a young nit 5-bet for 2X, my bet. The sizing was a clear tell. I was right to fold 😊
I mostly play cash so i just go to the felt with KK and go to the wallet.
1:30 Who TF is Daniel Cates?? His name is JUNGLEMAN!!
I've folded KK on a few bubbles when two bigger stacks are all in, clear ICM play. Otherwise I get it in and let the poker gods decide generally.
Had a cash hand recently where I just knew my opponent had AA but I just couldn’t find it in myself to return my hand to the dealer. Sure enough, he had aces and I lost.
I folded Kings pre flop one time ever, I Three bet, my opponent went all in, then I showed my Kings, he showed me his Aces.
I folded AA in a mega satellite one time towards the end, it ended up being the correct move. Of course there were 3 all-ins before me with 2 to act behind.. Focus on the goal
KK in SB. $1/$3 .
Folds to BTN (not a lot of exp with him. He seems aggro,seen him playing at $2/&5 often, maybe tricky, not sure), some how. He limps.
I RFI to $15.
BB (loose gambler) calls
BTN 3Bets to $65
I hesitate a second & flat.
BB shoves for $135-$140ish
BTN Calls!
I hesitate. Say something thinning out loud about him just calling and not reraising...
He says he couldn't reraise
Dealer says yeah Action was not reopened
Other players at the table say No!! The action was reopened when BB shoved. Raise is an option. Got a tad chaotic.
Dealer says ok. They are right.
So I try to ask well on that case does BTN not get to decide if he wants to raise since he thought the action was closed & the dealer as far as I could remeber told him that. But dealer & BTN didn't seem to understand & I figured I might be out of line even asking but I legitimately didn't know & preferred to know if he would shove given the option.
In my eyes, for him to simply call narrowed his range to like 1% but if he thought he had no option, then that told me nothing.
I reluctantly folded.
BTN had AKs vs BB 2h3h
Fwiw 23 made 2 pairs and won, lol.
Looks a bit borderline collusion between pardo and JNT.
There are a couple ways to view the out of turn allin.
A. As an angle,
-to discourage an allin from Pardo, which ia not something you want to really do with AA and a covering stack.
-to level Chidwick into calling lighter-which is a bit wild, however chidwixk does stack off with AK here. Of course its better to be allin vrs the shortstack and not the bigstack... but that said maybe thats not how JNT is thinking, he may just want the blood vrs Chidwick.
B. As a complete premature action due to excitement.
Im going with that it was somehow intentional. The worst case is he has a piece of Pardo and wants to let Pardo know that he can get out of the way... the fold of KK is the input here that sells the collusion story imo. A premature allin, imo defaults to angular play, to which the angle is to solicit more folds from the shortstack, which is not something JNT should be looking for here... because if Chidwick is bluffing and JNT solicits a fold from Pardo, hes lost about 2.5million in cEV by causing pardo to fold... however its not a loss if he has a big piece of Pardo.
it was angle 100%, jnt is dirty tricky old mf. he did this multiple times to act out of turn on purpose to gain edge. he just wanted all in vs 1 player instead of 2 in this spot.
I have folded them preflop once, and on time, I should have folded, but did not. But this was player dependent, and I was playing against my brother, who is a tight bastard, and he 4-bet me. The flop came off A K x, and I talked myself into thinking he would 4-bet AK when I knew he wouldn't. Obviously he had AA.
I’ve never folded kings I’ve folded QQ 4 times preflop in this situation I would’ve folded given the oot declaration. I think it was on purpose even though that would be a stupid time to induce a fold
I folded kings in a multiway preflop action hand after getting 4 bet by a tight old guy, showed the fold and was celebrated like a god damn war hero!
this was 2 weeks ago 1/2 cash game mgm lol and it was correct.
That 6:40 had me cracking up 😂😂😂
You folded KK to me in the best bet mystery bounty when I had aces. Some guy 5 bet after I squeezed and you thought that he had aces... I missed that bounty because of that haha
How does thinking pardo likely folded AK or QQ not effect chidwick decision to call off with AK himself jonathan , makes no sense my friend
folded in the BB. was up 3x my buyin, was getting late, and there was a raise, allin, call, and call before me. i would have lost.
JNT made a huge mistake and he looks so content about it😂😂😂
Utg open to 60. Call. Button 3 bets to 280. I cold 4 bet from bb to 800 with KK. Folds back to button who 5 bet jams for 5k. Was 10-20 nl at bellagio. I snap folded. Paid him $100 to show. He showed AA.
I had to fold KK yesterday. Raise to 4bb LJ, I 3bet to 16bb CO. Flop comes TT2, he leads with a jam for 90bb. I fold and he shows me a T
Never folded KK preflop because the people I play with would never raise pre-flop with aces. Home games man. lol
Absolutely have folded KK pre.....when OMC shoves into two people.
You gotta know who the nits are.
I folded kings pre a few times , cash game utg opens I 3 bet with KK from mp1 btn 4 bets utg 5 bet jams I fold btn calls with AA and utg has KK !! I had $1300 to start the hand actually thought this one was easy to fold
The real question is would Ace King suited have folded if the Kings called. He maybe could have gotten tripled up. If he hadn't opened his mouth.
Never folded KK, but i folded AK a lot of times in cash games and was correct. But KK i dont think i can fold, cause i have seen people overvalue some hands like AK and QQ (100bbs deep cash).
I wish i had folded KK pre flop a lot of times but i never do.
Folded to an old man’s cold 4 bet jame I knew he had AA there’s no other hand he does that with was easiest yet hardest at same time .
Done it twice against the same person. It was $1/$2 both times villain limps. I raise he shoves. He did that only once before on a different day again another player. And he had AA. So both times I fold and he gets called from someones else and both times he shows AA. It was he biggest tell I relied on. BUT thats the only time I was sure a player had AA. To me it was obvious what he had.
i fold KK everytime, i only play AA or 27s for balanced gto
I've folded kings in home games where I know the guy wouldn't be 5 or 6 bet jamming even with kings.
New course coming out by JNT titled “Just Have The Nuts”
I wish that I would have folded pocket Ks once. Lost Ks against Ks to a flush. Ugh.
Folder kings 5 times in my life. Always three handed and always all in pre. So I got to see the winner. Only once would I have won.
I have folded KK pre flop 5 times and was correct every time
It's actually relatively easy to find good spots to fold kings pre at low stakes cash games. A lot of the players are just 100% straightforward, or close. They will only ever 5-bet jam you with KK and AA. It's never easy to let kings go, but its often a good decision in certain circumstances
I’ve folded AA and KK multiple times in stattys
Never KK in a regular tournament
You folded AA Pre-Flop.... your joking right?
Im satellites u can just fold ur way to prizepool doesn't
@@_Coffee4Closers there’s an old video of TeamNeverLucky calling it off with AA on the bb in the bubble against a button shove
The button was chip leader and knew the blinds would fold range, so his shove was marginal
He called with AA and ran into Q6o and lost to trips
It was one of the worst calls I’ve seen in a satty from an otherwise good player
A fold wins the tournament %96 of the time, while a call wins the tourney %80 of the time
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He is a talented rapper
@@EricSmyth4Christ If you are on the stone bubble in a situation where say 3, people all win an equal prize like a entry ticket, then yes I get it.
I have folded Kings preflop only once. The player 4bet me and made it blantantly obvious that he had Aces. These days, if I have Kings and you have Aces, I'm just getting stacked 😂