DF64 vs Comandante C40 | Which one is better for pour over?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Your videos are very entertaining. I don’t have a hand grinder. I have a DF64 and a Sette 270. The DF64 produces a wonderful espresso. Since I only drink milk drinks, I find the DF64 makes a more flavorful cup of coffee, even when adding milk. Your enthusiasm comes through in the videos. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for watching! Have you ever tried your grinder for pour overs?
Not yet, but will try in the future.
Hi Jack! Thanks for your videos! :-) You mentioned you sometimes lose track of which setting you're on with your C40. I was in the same boat until recently... I've realised that if you look at the plastic dial at the bottom of the grinder it has 3 cogs on it. I picked the biggest cog as my grind setting indicator. Go to zero, count 24 clicks and see which letters the big cog points towards on the inner burr ("Comandante \/ Nitro Blade \/ "). Now if you need to be on 22 clicks, first set the big cog to point towards that letter so that you know you're on 24, and then go 2 clicks finer. It will stay consistent like that until you clean/reassemble the grinder as there are 6 ways you can reassemble it (if that picks your interest, I'm happy to share how to reassemble it consistently so that the big cog points towards the same letters again). This little trick means no guessing and no re-counting from zero is needed. Pozdrowienia!
Hi, wow, that is a very clever way of doing it. I would still prefer proper numbers like with K-Max but that will help a lot.
Pozdrowienia!
@@mycoffeeshow111 No worries! Looking forward to more videos :)
@@Pawel-D very interesting, I didn't know that about the reassembly. How do you do it? Can you share the source so I can look it up?
@@Dan155 Please take a look at ruclips.net/user/shortsBRUKH6Wa-JE . Try each of the six positions and you'll see that each axle position has a different zero point (as indicated by the cog black plastic dial pointing to a different letter on the inner burr). The nice thing is that if you reassemble your grinder picking the same axle position (permament marker helps with that), then you'll get the same point zero, i.e. you will see the biggest cog pointing to the same letter. Just to be clear, I'm not doing this to minimise the burr rub or improve the "grinder alignment" - I just want the biggest cog to be my grind setting indicator, consistently, even after cleaning. The whole procedure takes no extra time as you only have to mark your position and pay attention to insert it the right way when reassembling the grinder. Let me know if that helps :)
If you’re aligning your DF64 you’ll have the best results using the shim method. You basically take foil and make tiny shims out of it, and place them under the proper spots under the upper burr.
Lance Hedrick has a great video on it.
Thank you. I will have to do it one day. Being a master of procrastination doesn’t help though 😛
We've tried the Ethiopian Chelichele today and you could smell that boozy passion fruit from a distance :P Thanks for the tip!
Always happy to help. Enjoy your coffee!
Oh looking forward
That coffee sounds really nice.
If you want to kinda get an idea of which orientation works best for your burr alignment you can go by sound and feel by spinning the burrs by hand.
The fines in the DF64 might be due to the declumper holding back some coffee not necessarily from alignment. I had one that seemed like the declumper was problematic so i just opened it up and cut the center part out so there's a big hole in the center.
Thank you. I don’t want to make any permanent changes to my grinder as I plan to sell it at some point.
@@mycoffeeshow111 It's not necessarily permanent, I got a few extra silicon declumpers it's just a little flap, they're like $5 CAD. Figured if I mess it up I'll have a backup. But it is a bit risky / pain in the butt to do since You gotta remove the power button and its attached with wires to a board, and its tricky to reach the nut to loosen it. I managed to scratch the base up a little just from it resting / moving around when I was flipping it over or something, it's not too bad it will still sell if I wanted to sell it.
@@BensCoffeeRants I think right now it is too difficult for me but simple burrs alignment should be within my abilities.
SSP unimodal / multipurpose on Lagom P64 only works well for espresso at higher rpm I find. I think it's too unimodal and just is more difficult to get a good extraction with it at lower rpm. But I think generally it works very well for quality light roasted coffee for espresso very high clarity it probably works nicely for a variety of coffee types at coarser brew methods so may be more versatile there. I haven't experienced using it much for darker roasts so I dunno.
So do you think Lagom P64 is worth it’s high price vs DF64? Have you tried it for pour over?
@@mycoffeeshow111 It's about 3x the price here, so it really depends on whether it's worth it for you. IT IS a nicer machine to use and beautiful (also comes with nicer accessories), motor is super quiet (still loud when grinding, about the same as DF64 I think), likely better built (better quality control) and better aligned out of the box. The Declumper isn't problematic on the P64, very little retention but no bellows which is helpful if you're swapping between different brew methods I find. Variable RPM is interesting to play with, you can get more clarity (lower rpm) or more body (higher RPM) but like I mentioned it's a bit less useful at least for espresso with those multipurpose unimodal burrs since things just never seem to turn out nice using really low RPM maybe due to being 'too unimodal' if that's a thing.
I'm getting good results with the Unimodal burrs for espresso at setting 7 out of 9 (that's like 1100RPM, max is 1400ish same as DF64), but at like a setting of '4' (650rpm) it never seems to come out right. Maybe a Decent machine would fix that :D
I think with a well aligned, modded declumper DF64 you should be able to get similar tasting results, I suspect the alignment may shift over time though.
@@BensCoffeeRants thank you for your answer. At some point I will definitely need one more flat burrs grinder. P64 is definitely an option but for the price I can get something like Mahlkoning E65S GBW or add few pounds and go for Ek43 or Ditting, all with no waiting list or extra duty tax.
I have both and prefer the forgiving nature of the c40.
For pour overs they both can be great but you might be right about simplicity of a hand grinder
another great video Jack... if I ever get across the pond I'm going to buy you a cup of coffee... One quick question, how much coffee have you ran through the DF64? Just curious as I've read the SSP burrs take quite a bit of coffee to do a proper seasoning and I think conical don't... Be interesting to revisit this after a few more pounds of coffee get ran through the DF64.
Thank you. I will remember about that promise.
One thing I will definitely do is to check the alignment of the burrs. I am sure the burrs are still relatively fresh but then again some coffee experts don’t believe in seasoning them anyway. I use around 0.5-0.6kg coffee per week, divided between 2 grinders
@@mycoffeeshow111 yeah, what I gathered is conical (like the Niche) don't really benefit from seasoning, but the flat burrs actually do... I have had an Ode w/ SSP for a month plus now and it's really starting to make fantastic cups of coffee... I also shimmed it to get the alignment as good as I could. One word of advice, don't make yourself crazy over it... I started with the stationary burr, then did the other burr. To be honest the Ode wasn't that bad at stock... I only needed like 4 layers of foil to get it as good as I could. Best of luck my friend.
@@deadshrub thank you for the advice. Btw which hand grinder should I go for next? Was thinking about J Max
@@mycoffeeshow111 hmm, are you looking to review more budget friendly grinders? The k-max, Kinu and c40 are probably the best 3 hand grinders on the market? I'd be interested in the Saint Anthony Industries Millwright grinder if you can get your hands on one...
@@deadshrub I could get st anthony but would have to pay a lot in duty tax 😒
45 on the df64 with sap is waaaay to fine for pour over. you might want to explore range 60 - 75
Thx. You are almost certainly right. At the moment I have cast burrs and I brew in around 55.
Is C40 far superior for filter than Niche? I have Timemore slim and Niche, never been impressed on filter coffee from both. Think about buying C40 if it is way better than those. But if it is slightly better I will stick with what I have.
You just reminded me that I haven’t done video Niche vs C40 for pour over yet. So far I only done few pour overs with Niche and I was happy with the taste.Having said that, not always but every now and then, I get a cup from C40 that is extremely good.
If you are happy with Niche and Timemore stick with them, at least till I record that video 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111 haha I will wait.
@@mycoffeeshow111 I’m also waiting for this comparison video
What is the best automatic coffee grinder for filter coffee? to extract the maximum flavor from the coffee
I haven’t found a perfect one yet. DF64 with cast burrs is ok. So is modified DF83. People say that if you are looking for the best you would need grinder with burrs dedicated to pour overs only. I always enjoy EK43 at coffee shops but it is too big for home use.
Thanks for another awesome review.. Love my c40.
Have both df64 with ssp mp.
For pour overs the c40 produces more consistent great tasting, sweeter coffee. But for espresso or Moka pot, it's a toss so.i usedf64 for Moka pot.
Looking forward to next review jack.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Hi nice video thanks. I've just ordered the comandante MK4, can you advise what you think is the best number of clicks for a pour over? Thanks!
Thank you and congratulations. Would go for anything between 18-22 and see how you like the coffee.
@@mycoffeeshow111 thank you so much, I will try that when it arrives 👍 hopefully this coming week 🤞
@@beaniemac83 let me know how you like it.
@@mycoffeeshow111 certainly will do, many thanks for your help 😀
@@mycoffeeshow111 Hiya my Comandante C40 MK4 arrived today. Oh wow, firstly the weight took me by surprise but in a good way. It feels like such a high build quality. Until you hold one you can't imagine the quality feeling from video reviews. I like the included wristband grip as well as this really helps. I left it on the out of the box settings of 24 clicks and made a pour over, and compared to the timemore nano grinder I'm upgrading from (which is still a great grinder I think) the brew just felt cleaner and smoother so I've really enjoyed my first cup 👍. The grinding was easier as well, perhaps slightly louder than the Timemore due to the larger chamber of the Comandante, but that doesn't really matter in my opinion.
The SSP burrs you have in the DF64 aren't recommended for filter though so not a really fair comparison though. Interesting video nonetheless. Thanks
Thank you. So many different opinions. I heard people saying exact opposite. I enjoy my DF64 for espresso, of that I am certain.
15 grams in 30 seconds for pour over is not exactly a record. It could have been worse. It is a pretty decent hand grinder for filter. People keep repeating "gold standard" again and again. It is not. Great marketing though. I haven't used mine in a long time. Camandante and Niche Zero are overhyped grinders.
30sec iis so far my personal best on this grinder. I think it is solid but a bit outdated and overpriced. I am planning to get something new for the channel, maybe j max, what do you think?
@@mycoffeeshow111 You already have K- max. J-max (less expensive than K-max) is more espresso oriented.
@@mikegurv1818 you sound like my wife😛 Jack, you have enough grinders.
ha ha