welp, RIP Standard. I was so excited for Foundations but now I'm not sure I want to even want to attempt to keep up with 6 Standard legal sets every single year, not to mention half of them will be goofy Marvel/Spongebob themed sets. This sucks...
I'm in the same boat. I was excited about Foundations and how it would bring new players in through their product line. Increasing to six standard sets I think is a huge mistake not to mention bringing UB into all constructed formats
It got pushed back from the last set of one year to the first set of the next. Calm down. Good Lordy this community is filled with doomers. Not everything is a morally reprehensible sign of the times. If anything, it’s a show of faith for lorwyn’s capacity to sell, the winter months tend to sell better for card games as the summer months see people preoccupied with other hobbies and holidays.
20 bucks says OP still goes out and gets a spiderman deck. If I had to guess, making an educated one not in bad faith, WotC needs to show Disney that their crossover is going to be big and faster results gets more support where as Lorwyn can and always will be something magic players want
I'm very saddened that Universes Beyond will take up half of the sets. Magic: The Gathering's own history, characters, and world deserve better. I am finally able to play Magic and, unfortunately, I feel like Magic is self-imploding. I'm not of the mind that Universes Beyond is an inherently bad thing, but unsurprisingly, Hasbro/WOTC or whoever the hell is steering the ship is clearly enjoying the money UB brings in, and are willing to sacrifice Magic's identity to get more of it. Magic shouldn't be *half* of itself. It should be the majority.
Hi, welcome to Magic, where players are constantly convinced the game is destroying itself. Have fun saying that for the entire time you engage with the game!
I don't like them much either but it is without a doubt a very strong attention grab and brings A LOT of new people to the game. Which in the end, benefits the game a lot.
@@DayOfCasual I'm not sure it does. How many Fallout PC gamers got into Magic and started playing Standard because of it? I'd guess the number is close to zero
@@DayOfCasual That's probably the biggest reason why I don't actively hate the idea of Universes Beyond. If it can bring more kinds of people and/or just people in general to the game, I will not dismiss it outright. I just greatly worry that because Magic is sharing a literal 50% of what it is with what are essentially ads, it will have a negative effect in the long run that will greatly harm the game.
At six sets a year they clearly don't care about product fatigue. Despite all of our asking for them to slow down they just went right into having more sets than ever. I feel so ignored.
"We understand that making too many straight-to-Modern sets was making Modern difficult to keep up with. We're working on this issue by making it everyone's problem."
How can you sit there and say that your in universe characters and story matters when the sentance before said only half the sets would be in universe???
When UB came out i was optimistic. I liked the Warhammer decks and responded to the doomers by drawing two lines in the sand. As long as those weren't crossed I was happy, and i expected they wouldnt be. Those lines were: 1. UB doesn't replace in-universe Magic sets. 2. No Spongebob secret lair. Both are crossed... The doomers were right. RIP the universe I loved. I'm not even mad, I just feel sad :(
I agree. Its just sad that a game that means something now just means money. the thing about in universe, is that every character they create is unique in fiction, given it is framed by the colour pie, and primarily represented on cards. that isnt the same if its spiderman framed
Once we got Fortnite secret lair I started believing that everything is inevitable. I’m not surprised by any secret lairs anymore. 😂 I do agree with them bringing universes beyond into standard. Crazy to think that now all these cards will be legal in all formats.
@@doors54 It was the most popular brand I could think of that has absolutely no overlap in terms of worldbuilding to Magic. I see it as the point where they value profit significantly higher than brand identity
If it was just one UB set that was legal in standard a year I wouldn’t mind too much. But making it 3 a year ( at least one of them being a marvel set) is so obnoxious and the fact that it’s slowing down non UB sets releases is so upsetting
The foundation of magic the gathering's next era is not magic the gathering. It's draining it for as much money as possible and destroying the value and texture of the IP to cash-in on whatever IPs for what they can, while they can. 50% of Magic is no longer related to magic's setting or long history at all, and more and more products are pushed onto a wearier fanbase, all of them now in every single format, impossible to avoid. Llorwyn pushed back to make room for a 3rd universes beyond IP in a single year. But it's the only thing buoying hasbro, so here we are.
Yeah, D&D and Magic are propping up WOTC and they're propping up Hasbro. Shareholders are gonna shred the longevity of the game in exchange for the next quarter's profits, so they can sell off the second they don't outsell the previous year.
Magic has been around for 30+ Years. The only reason that is possible is because they change constantly. They try new things. It doesn't always work, but they review and change and mold. Saying "Magic is not Magic" is a very shallow minded view of the amazing things this game has pulled off. Imagine for a moment you try selling the exact same game but never changing it in any way what-so-ever. How many copies will you sell at the start? How many will you sell 5 years down the road? 10? 20? Eventually it grows stale. Yes, it is a business. They HAVE to make money. If they do NOT make money they can NOT keep making this amazing game.
@@RalphThePyro Delusional take. Nobody is saying they shouldn't make money. Everyone wants them to make money and keep making Magic. People don't want them destroying the Magic brand identity (which they undeniably are) by watering down the game with UB. There is literally nowhere to hide from UB as a Magic player now. UB was not required for them to make money. They made tons of money before UB that kept the company operating and growing sustainably. Now they make even more in a likely unsustainable fashion. UB wasn't required for them to continue as a successful business. It's an unvarnished cash grab. This idea that UB is "just them trying new things" is you shilling like crazy for WotC. Trying new things is new mechanics (MDFCs, Manifest Dread, etc), offering unique sets, offering interesting supplemental products (Commander precons, Commander Collections, Signature Spellbooks, From the Vault) is them trying new things. UB is not part of the natural evolution of Magic. It's the watering down of a fantastic and classic IP so that daddy Hasbro can continue increasing revenue year over year in the short term. The game hasn't gotten stale in 30 years because it has new settings, new characters, and new mechanics from amazing designers. UB is not part of that natural progression to keep the game alive - it's the cannibalization of what came before and it's disgusting. WotC is at its best when they make new stuff like Ravnica, Innistrad, and Tarkir not when they are just copy pastaing MCU.
I've been playing tournament magic since 2008. Duskmourn was the first standard legal set that I skipped entirely because of the setting being campy 80s costume schlock. The cheerleader card was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I was actually excited for foundations before this announcement. Now I just feel like what's the point in getting that set when there's only a few months until the Universes Beyond Borg assimilate every magic format. I stopped playing legacy when it got destroyed by ballanced for 4 player cards. I stopped playing modern when it got destroyed by Modern horizons and the one ring. I just started getting into pauper and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before that format's crushed by a Green Goblin's Pumpkin bomb and Chocobo meta. I don't know why the game I've loved for nearly 2 decades has to do this. Pokemon TCG doesn't feel the need to introduce Batman and Austin Powers into its game.
You clearly miss the philosophy mentioned in the beginning of the presentation. That you cannot handle that there are sets more to the liking of other target groups says enough about you.
@@KAvanAlten I'm moderately excited for Final Fantasy. I'm hugely impressed by what WotC has done with UB so far. I'm not against UB in principle. At the same time, I think going 50/50 on originals vs UB is a turning point that is reasonable to feel some anxiety over.
Universes Beyond being 50% part of Standard sets unfortunately will drive me away to just focus on EDH and eternal formats. When you try to create a product for everyone, you end up creating products for no one. This seems to be forgetting your OG fanbase a bit too much
Make sure you start having explicit discussions around it, rule 0 conversations: no silver border, acorn, or universes beyond cards. Aka the joke cards. That is how EDH started and this is how we preserve it from invasion.
The pushing of Universes Beyond into Standard & Pioneer is frustrating not only as a stand-alone decision, but also in how it overshadows the several positive developments outlined in the panel. While Foundations was already public knowledge, the shift in the rotation schedule also seemed like a good move given the end of the block structure*, and the MTG Multiverse sets generally seemed fine. However, the introduction of Universes Beyond into Standard negates and overshadows these improvements. I was personally thinking about but leaning against entering Standard prior to watching this video, but now I most likely won't enter the format. It would be nice to see UB-free fan formats pop up and gain significant traction, but this seems unlikely in practice. I also realized while writing this comment that the introduction of UB to Standard makes the heavy promotion of competitive Standard over competitive Pioneer during the upcoming RCQ cycle seem like a cynical business decision. While there isn't enough evidence to conclusively say whether this is the case, it's still a bad look regardless. I want to reiterate that there is no hard evidence for this suspicion, but that the moves combined were still careless at best. *I added the asterisk here because, while I generally like the new rotation decision, I dislike how they crammed Bloomburrow and Duskmourn into Fall 2024 with the knowledge that these sets would both be rotated out nine months early.
@@Drecon84 100% correct. That has been WotC's take for years unfortunately. My LGS manager used to be huge into competitive Magic back in the early 2000s (fully blinged out Type 1.5 then Legacy decks kinda guy) and he loved Magic so much through the 90s and early 2000s. Then in Lorwyn in '08 the Planeswalkers came and there was a fundamental shift in the design of Magic. He (and a lot of others) really didn't like the change, but Magic got more and more popular with the new design. He just got left behind liking the older style and Magic became "not for him." He still likes servicing the community and collecting, but he won't play anymore unless it's his curated cube to play the way he likes. Same thing is happening now it feels like. Magic is undergoing a fundamental identity shift (which I personally think is bad), but WotC is banking on there being more new players coming in than the old guard leaving so that they keep growing. This crap all started with FIRE design and has been downhill ever since for the enfranchised. Just seems to be how WotC moves forward - discard the old players and bank on growing the new. It's worked for them thus far. Very frustrating to be caught in the "I love Magic but I hate the direction" because it is a very powerless position to be in as the consumer.
Don't appreciate universes beyond in standard and pioneer. I know that you don't care but it matters to me that , at the very least, I can make my voice heard. Even if you never read this comment.
I agree that having almost every set being UB is a problem, but think of the positives. Since they’re designing for Standard and not Modern, they have to balance the cards for a more lower power level. That means they’re less likely to create something like Orcish Bowmasters, The One Ring or Nadu. At least, that’s the idea.
I look at it as no more catering to just 1 format. Tired of commander being the only thing played in the stores in my town. So hopefully this opens up more competitive players for more formats. People don't even draft anymore.
@@drags777Maybe but this does hurt standard a lot. Even if the players like the UB stuff there’s going to be a lot of sets in standard and I think that defeats the point of standard
Yeah. Couldn't they leave at least one format untouched by UB and horizons? Like if these changes were affecting standard but Pioneer was staying horizons and UB free I would be fine with them (even though having so many sets in Standard with a slow rotation is the opposite of what Standard should be). As it stands I've already sold my collection years ago but was considering getting back into Pioneer. Not anymore.
the news that UB will be legal in standard and pioneer as well as replacing half of all magic sets is the last straw for me. after years as a competitive player and going in for FNM almost every week, i'm done with magic. on top of a strong ruleset magic was once a game with strong aesthetic and storytelling identity, and i can see now these things have been thrown to the wayside in favor of diluting magic with other properties.
This. I just got in into competitive play, I AM one of the new players they brought in just 2 years ago. I am certainly NOT going to sit down and play a card game with some IPs I don’t give a shit about stuffed in on friday night every week. I do give a shit about original magic. Bye, bye, pioneer!
@@DimirDaddyrefusing to buy to vote with our wallets doesn't matter if 1000 whales and a bunch of people who've never played before buy out the full set and never really play with them
I don’t entirely hate the Universes Beyond stuff, but I want to know why WotC feels ashamed to be making MtG. Half of standard sets are going to be advertisements for other franchises at the cost of Magic’s own worlds and flavor. It’s a crying shame that WotC keeps selling itself out and abandoning their own IP.
I have never been one to overreact to this sort of thing, but this feels like the death of Magic. If Wizards had the option of alienating every loyal customer they've ever had over the last 30 years if it meant double the new customers taking their place and double the revenue, they are going to take that every day of the week when the only group that they actually answer to is the shareholders. This is the nature of business and of capitalism and it is why great art cannot be sustained by corporate entities. Every single publicly traded for-profit company operates under the same exact ruleset, which is to grow the value of the business through the price of the share. It does not matter how well-meaning the people in the companies are, or even the companies themselves are at a given point in time. Every inspired and talented artists or developer or engineer will retire or will die and eventually, necessarily, all that will be left is the product and the profit it can generate, forever. Every single piece of entertainment media that has the quality such that it can hold value over time will eventually be owned by a soulless corporation. Even the private estates of artists are not safe. It's ironic that this is happening with IPs such as Lord of the Rings (a beautiful piece of fiction whose material is now partially owned by Amazon), Fallout (a game series bought-out by Bethesda, a company which itself has become a soulless entity), and Marvel (its entertainment rights picked on by many media conglomerates due to the financial difficulties faced by the Marvel company, eventually bought and owned by Disney). The properties chosen for these partnerships are already examples of the for-profit liquidity of art against the benefit of the consumer. There is no more sitting down to play Magic for the lore and universe as a holistic experience. There is no more flipping over a card, seeing an interesting character from the lore of Magic, and wondering how they fit into the universe or the greater story. There is no more cohesive story, no more love or care for the material built by artists over 30 years. There is no more Magic.
It doesnt matter but as a fairly new player I started dipping my toes into standard these past few months. I like that it was only in universe sets. but now with UB sets being printed into the format and 6 standard sets next year it has killed all my enthusiasm for constructed formats. I just dont have the time to keep up.
My big worries with MTG are as follow : - Too many sets per year, I don't even have time to fully explore what each set has to offer anymore - Not a fan of the sheer number of crossover sets. One per year should be enough. At best, I think only 3 types of "crossover" products should be made per year, like 1 set and 2 commander precons at MAX - The creation of collector booster was completely pointless because the price of play boosters didn't drop in to an affordable amount for people who solely want to play the game, and I find the game VERY expensive to play nowadays This video did nothing to ease any of those worries
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To bring new and younger players to the game. It is also the purpose of the foundation set and why the ub are legal in standard. Where I play, the players are between 30 and 40 years old. The prerelease weekend for the lord of the ring, the store was completely full. The lotr boosters are gone from the shelves since a long time but you can still buy boosters even from Kaldheim
@@Maxime7101 I don't know what stores you're going to where they're not selling LOTR anymore, but Kaldheim isn't standard legal anymore either if you didn't notice!
@@Maxime7101 Foundations is what "getting new players into the game" should look like. Magic should be interesting to new players based on its own merits, not just because there's an IP they like in it. If someone decides to try Magic because of the Spider-Man set or whatever, odds are they're just not going to care about any of the rest of the game. You build a lasting fanbase by hooking them with the actual things your game is built on, not one-time media tie-ins.
"we have more players than ever before" Maybe thats the case in the US, but not in Europe. I've never seen MTG been so unpopular as it is right now. LGS used to be 70% mtg and now everyone is playing Star Wars and Lorcana and not caring at all for MTG outside of Commander leagues and some ocasional Modern.
It isn't the case here they are confusing correlation with causation. Outside collectors of different fandoms are buying cards and aren't that interested in joining like buying branded Pez dispensers or Funko. Tell MaRo on his Bogatog. We can make our voices heard.
At this new all-time-low with UB, the next logical step is crossmarketing sets in the near future. Expect a Marlboro UB set, or a Temu UB set. And these very same people will still praise the great opportunities and tell you how excited they are.
I sat down to watch this so excited for what we would see but now im just tired. Been wanting a return to Tarkir for a decade and just couldnt even muster any excitement at that section So much for UB skipping standard, and there being more magic universe stuff than UB. We couldnt even get through one year of this 2 UB sets a year before jumping to 3.
The hollow promises of magic being accessible to everyone is honestly laughably insensitive to Brazilian and other Portuguese speaking communities of magic players. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of manga and anime as an art form and I'm not gonna shit talk promos that people are excited about, but it feels really shitty to give the Japanese magic community constant promos and special treatments and unique art while so many people that were AVID magic fans can't even get cards in their language anymore.
They seem to only care about middle sized communities that they think they can grow. Too big like United States - take for granted, "too small" and they abandon your community.
UB should not be legal in other formats... kills the IP of the game which attracted loads of players across the years. Not sure a duel between Lily and Wolverine has any taste...
A lot of the stuff like tace set i think i pretty cool, but UB being legal in any other format than commander is something i genuenly hate. Cool to bring new people to Magic, but it should not come at the expense of Magics own identity
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Thanks to the Universes Beyond being crammed into Standard sets and making only half of Magic actual Magic, I will never spend another dollar on your products. That's a shame, because now I will have to spend those thousands a year on another product that respects its customers.
And I was actually looking forward to Lorwyn and Innistrad Remastered. So many booster boxes will now rot on the shelves instead getting cracked with friends. :(
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Let this be a lesson to any newer players or players that have started to become enfranchised. WotC lies to use or changes their mind regularly. Universes Beyond is just the next iteration of say one thing, do another.
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How long until it's all Universes Beyond and no Magic IP sets per year? Never thought I'd see the last magic set and now the only question is when will they be completely replaced.
Dobby is a free elf! Master has given Dobby a sock! Dobby is free! Never again must I buy cards for a game that will disappear. Never again must I update my deck with cards that make my old ones obsolete in an eternal format. The game I played is gone and Hasbro has, in its place, given us a game that is built on the same principals and yet mechanically different. The color pie died because color-weaknesses make you feel bad. Original Lore died while chasing Marvel money for a decade. In-store play died through uninformed product design and poor mechanical gameplay making for miserable play-experience and broken-faith promises. Magic the Gathering: Arena is a worthless piece of software, gouging players online and eliminating meaningful meta discovery; where every single opponent is no different than playing a bot. But now I'm free! There are no strings to the past left to tie me to the game. Bloomburrow gets to be the setting sun, easily identifiable from the future as the time where Magic the Gathering went away and Magic the Lonesome was sold in its place on the hope that children will crack open Mom's/Dad's wallet more efficiently than I would my own. Thank you to all the designers and artists and writers and everyone else who put work into a game I love. I have had many, many fantastic hours and days with it. It has given me reason to travel and meet new people that are my friends to this day. May we all meet again, on another plane. It was great Walking with you.
MTG is a game about battles between planeswalkers. They summon creatures, cast powerful spells, etc., using five colors of mana. For heaven’s sake, how did Transformers, Spider-Man, SpongeBob, and others end up here? Why do we deserve this? Even if they’re good, let them stay in their own origins. You’re not exploring what fantasy could be, you’re undermining the very foundation of the game, its concept. You’re taking the easiest route - grabbing popular existing franchises, throwing them together in one ugly mash-up, and serving it up as a “new and exciting direction for the game.” You don’t care about old players or the tremendous work that went into MTG’s original worlds and ideas, because Universes Beyond and Secret Lairs will bring you a lot of money. The Foundations of Magic’s Next Era is the killing of the game itself, its roots, lore, and atmosphere - all for profit.
I have so many mixed feelings about introducing UB into standard. On one hand I think a lot of new players will want to try standard and pioneer but on the other hand, UB taking up HALF of the yearly releases is absolutely nuts. 2 would be pushing it but I could live with it. I don't like where this is going. But it's not like it's gonna stop because UB prints money. Crossovers are a smart business tactic because they merge together two audiences. It's the whole reason rappers and pop artists release collabs or why Smash Bros is so successful. I fear that within the next few years they'll keep prioritizing UB over in universe sets more and more until UB becomes the main focus. At that point magic will have completely changed its identity. I will try to be optimistic about this change but I will always miss when magic was it's own thing.
universes beyond shouldn't be in standard, there should always be a format where people can go and play with in-universe cards only, if that doesn't come up I'll probably will be quitting magic by the time final fantasy releases
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Magic is truly a game for everyone. It’s more than just cards-it’s about gathering friends, sharing laughs, and creating memories. You teach someone to play, share your favorite decks, and suddenly, you’re bonding over epic victories and clever plays. It’s a heartwarming blend of friendship, competition, and a little bit of luck. But then, something changes. Your bond becomes rivalry. “Friendly” games get tense. You start building decks meant not just to win-but to destroy. You start eyeing each other across the table, calculating and cold. Strategies grow darker. You plot your friend’s downfall, not in jest, but with a burning, competitive rage. The warmth of camaraderie fades as a different fire kindles. This is no longer just a game; it’s a brutal test of survival. Alliances shatter. Peace was merely an illusion, and war is now inevitable. You witness once-cheerful gatherings descend into relentless battles-words sharp, intentions sharper. The table becomes an unforgiving battleground. This is the Dark Ages reborn: a world of shattered trust and raging ambition. Villages burn in the back of your mind as factions clash without mercy. Gone is the lightheartedness of friends having fun. Now there’s only conquest. The cries of fallen comrades echo through imaginary fields. The game has spiraled into chaos, a medieval melee where victory must be taken by force-where betrayal is your strongest card, and compassion is the ultimate weakness. The laughter is gone, replaced by the guttural roars of hardened warriors, cards slamming down like the clash of swords. The age of peace has been left behind. You didn’t come to play; you came to conquer, and now only ashes remain where friendship once stood.
90% of magic players don't care about what artwork or character is on the card. They only care about the mechanics of each card. This is just the facts, bro.
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I have been playing this game for eight years, I am eighteen. I've spent eight years seeing this game go from this blossoming, thriving community to a deflowered Fortnite item shop run by sadistic business men who abhore it. Me friends call me grumpy for caring this much aboot the quality of art and lore, but hey, when they get killed by Ronald McDonald's infinite combo with the Yo-Gabba-Gabba monster and realize how stupid what they're playing is, I'll be laughing.
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I was going to applaud the choice not to have 'straight to modern' sets any more (and I'm a modern player), but then they went on to say '6 sets per year' and the worst of all 'half of them won't contain any MTG lore at all'. WotC, please for the love of god listen to your consumer base. We don't want 6 sets a year. Your idea of Foundations is actually ruined by the act of making more and more sets per year for the same format. We certainly don't want Magic to be Marvel. You own one of the best games ever made, and you keep making these monumental mistakes, which overshadow the good choices you make too.
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We will just have to not support the UB products, by not buying them, and make sure we all buy boosters for Original MTG sets, thats the only language these companies will listen to and its called Money amd Sales
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The winning strategy: All UB are commander legal ONLY. Every quarter (or other set time period) release multiple UB themed RESKINNED competitive 60 card starter decks for whatever format wizards wants to funnel the new players into. Design for magic players, advertise to new players, and provide a path to bridge the gap.
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It's killing the identity and soul of Magic. Unfortunately it's probably technically more lucrative and got more attention than ever, which is all Hasbro cares about anymore..
@@andrehall23 I mean Lego is a toy. I can buy whatever sets I like. Outside IP or not. I could say the same for magic but it's a game and if the best card is in a format is a UB card I am going to see it and if I want to be competitive be forced to use it. Also there are many Lego fans who want more original sets.
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I didn't think product fatigue would get to me, but I've been feeling it of late and this year I started scaling back how much Magic I've been buying, although I have been buying a little into most sets. I think 2025 will mark the first year I will skip entire sets outright because I just don't have the money, time, and energy for it all. I don't hate Universes beyond, but I do think that it should have stayed out of Standard and three major releases a year is way too much. I'd much prefer one major release (booster packs + precons) per year. Maybe one more set of precons and a few Secret Lairs after that if you have to do more UB products. But I think as I peel away from buying Magic because of fatigue, I find that I want to buy it even less. And perhaps that will eventually get me to quit. After all, I have enough Magic since 1994 to last me a lifetime of playing...
Its just so sad and embarrassing that wizards hasnt managed to build its own strong IP so that now magic is being overtaken by this whole metaverse crap…
@@jerb82 They had something strong around 2015-16, then they tried to cobble together their own justice league to copy the big thing at the time. And then suddenly every set was about the Gatewatch and they just couldn't carry things with how bland they all were. Instead of hiring better writers and making better character they cut the amount of time spent on each plot point and kept barreling forward until they'd sunk themselves.
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Really dont like universe beyond in non commander tournament legal sets. I understand wanting new players having cards, but thats what commander is for. To have community and to build what you want. Just wish it was more commander legends style.
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So until half of the video: Positive: -msrp is back Negativ: -Universes beyond is legal everywhere, so no format is for people anymore that enjoy magic without shrek and spiderman(and my ideas for playing standard are killed off) - we get the allspark as a magic card and they didn't think to make it a set symbol and instead chose one of the worst set symbols of all .. cool
Added to positiv: -There are only 3 sets, I might spend money on next year. Innistrad, Tarkir and maybe the spaceset ... 🎉... - netflix show is maybe comming someday - might be the perfect year, to have a break from magic and save money for something useful until we get to lorwyn Negativ: -Lorwyn is delayed to 2026 (I think we knew about that allready) - i didn't see garruk anywhere - we get the pokemon frame for every set from now on - more universes beyond including spiderman the set that (when i got it right) will be standard legal🤢 - most likely the golgari verge land will have the awful aethersomething setsymbol🤢
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I’m quitting. Standard legal UB is just too far. I’ll keep playing commander with my friends with my decks as they are now, but wizards isn’t getting another dollar out of me. The selling out is absolutely atrocious
@nikhilchhagan7371 So the most expensive cards that are legal in most formats, aren't strong eh? They're just expensive because of their art/lore?... This is a Card GAME lol. Emphasis on GAME.
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So know if we want to escepe or daily life and dig in to our hobbies were can we play Magic the gathering ? cause this year you are so full of different ips that Τarkir alone cant carry the whole game. and dont get me wrong i love all they new stuff that is out of magic but not when the take magic's place...if i want to get lost in a marvel universe trust me i have plenty of options ...but if i am missing Lorwyn were should i go?
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For all of you guy complaining about the direction MtG goes: There is a format called "Premodern". You don't have to worry about new stupid mechanics, powercreep and new busted cards ruining the whole format. It's growing in popularity because the things I just mentioned. It's a safe space with the good old MtG and a nice balanced meta!
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Yeahhhh is 2025 now the downfall of magic? Moving away from Magic IP or UB IP? Wow this sucks. I loved magic BECAUSE of magic lore. I don't care about spiderman or spongebob
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Iconic franchise or not, I would not have delayed the release of an original world from MTG (Lorwyn) just to release a Spider-Man set earlier.
The spiderman set was always set for next year. Lorwyn was delayed for whatever this third unannounced set is. Sucks just as much but yeah
Spiderman prior to the holidays works on a marketing standpoint. Not to mention any Marvel movies or TV shows dropping in line with Magic products.
Notice the audience silence when they say half of the sets will be UB. People want Magic to be Magic, not just a vehicle for other properties.
Also notice the silence when they announce the new legality of UB in standard. Except the about 2 small cheers.
welp, RIP Standard. I was so excited for Foundations but now I'm not sure I want to even want to attempt to keep up with 6 Standard legal sets every single year, not to mention half of them will be goofy Marvel/Spongebob themed sets. This sucks...
I'm in the same boat. I was excited about Foundations and how it would bring new players in through their product line. Increasing to six standard sets I think is a huge mistake not to mention bringing UB into all constructed formats
The fact Lorwyn was pushed back, not so it could be developed more, but because it was "less important" than a Spider Man side is disgusting
Not even spiderman, but this new third unannounced UB set. We couldn't even try one year with two sets they had to swap it to 3 instantly
Devil’s advocate: Spiderman will surely sell more, so one can argue that it will make more individual buyers happy.
But money
It got pushed back from the last set of one year to the first set of the next. Calm down. Good Lordy this community is filled with doomers. Not everything is a morally reprehensible sign of the times. If anything, it’s a show of faith for lorwyn’s capacity to sell, the winter months tend to sell better for card games as the summer months see people preoccupied with other hobbies and holidays.
20 bucks says OP still goes out and gets a spiderman deck.
If I had to guess, making an educated one not in bad faith, WotC needs to show Disney that their crossover is going to be big and faster results gets more support where as Lorwyn can and always will be something magic players want
I'm very saddened that Universes Beyond will take up half of the sets. Magic: The Gathering's own history, characters, and world deserve better. I am finally able to play Magic and, unfortunately, I feel like Magic is self-imploding.
I'm not of the mind that Universes Beyond is an inherently bad thing, but unsurprisingly, Hasbro/WOTC or whoever the hell is steering the ship is clearly enjoying the money UB brings in, and are willing to sacrifice Magic's identity to get more of it. Magic shouldn't be *half* of itself. It should be the majority.
Hi, welcome to Magic, where players are constantly convinced the game is destroying itself. Have fun saying that for the entire time you engage with the game!
I don't like them much either but it is without a doubt a very strong attention grab and brings A LOT of new people to the game. Which in the end, benefits the game a lot.
@@DayOfCasual I'm not sure it does. How many Fallout PC gamers got into Magic and started playing Standard because of it? I'd guess the number is close to zero
@@DayOfCasual That's probably the biggest reason why I don't actively hate the idea of Universes Beyond. If it can bring more kinds of people and/or just people in general to the game, I will not dismiss it outright. I just greatly worry that because Magic is sharing a literal 50% of what it is with what are essentially ads, it will have a negative effect in the long run that will greatly harm the game.
@@Crushanator1 doctor who + lotr got me into magic, marvel has got me invested for years to come and im sure theres alot more like me
At six sets a year they clearly don't care about product fatigue. Despite all of our asking for them to slow down they just went right into having more sets than ever. I feel so ignored.
"We understand that making too many straight-to-Modern sets was making Modern difficult to keep up with. We're working on this issue by making it everyone's problem."
with ALL of it being standard legal. Going to be an nightmare to keep up with
Man good thing google hid the dislike bar or that 50% thumbs down ratio would look pretty bad for Wizards.
90%
@@schnauzerhead It's 50% on most addons.
How can you sit there and say that your in universe characters and story matters when the sentance before said only half the sets would be in universe???
Because they are hoping that if they present a word cloud of positive things you will believe them and doubt what your senses are telling you.
If they didn't care, why would they be sinking money into a Netflix show based on their in-universe characters and story?
@@TheAverageGuyTAG Did you mean why is Netflix sinking money into a show that will be cancelled after the first season like usual?
@@elGringo69
That's a whole separate discussion, lol.
Can't believe they're making UB standard-legal. And HALF OF ALL UPCOMING SETS??
Hey, look at the bight side. You're gonna save a lot of money if you're only interested in half the sets :D
@@3OOM9 I'm gonna choose to believe you misspelled "blight" not "bright"; it's funnier that way 😅
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@@3OOM9tell that to a constructed player 😅
(I get it's a joke, but man..)
When UB came out i was optimistic. I liked the Warhammer decks and responded to the doomers by drawing two lines in the sand. As long as those weren't crossed I was happy, and i expected they wouldnt be. Those lines were:
1. UB doesn't replace in-universe Magic sets.
2. No Spongebob secret lair.
Both are crossed... The doomers were right. RIP the universe I loved. I'm not even mad, I just feel sad :(
I agree. Its just sad that a game that means something now just means money. the thing about in universe, is that every character they create is unique in fiction, given it is framed by the colour pie, and primarily represented on cards. that isnt the same if its spiderman framed
Why specifically anti-Spongebob from the start?
Once we got Fortnite secret lair I started believing that everything is inevitable. I’m not surprised by any secret lairs anymore. 😂
I do agree with them bringing universes beyond into standard. Crazy to think that now all these cards will be legal in all formats.
@@doors54 It was the most popular brand I could think of that has absolutely no overlap in terms of worldbuilding to Magic. I see it as the point where they value profit significantly higher than brand identity
The doomers are always right. The slope is always slippery. Profit always outweighs integrity.
"Magic is for everyone.... except those from the past 30 years." is the full qoute
Standard is getting sacrificed at the altar of Universes Beyond
Was already sacrificed at the alter of commander. Universes beyond is just making sure the casket gets buried
Altar of dementia? Ashnods altar?
Maybe an unfinity card in the future named “altar of the beyond” or something? Lol
If it was just one UB set that was legal in standard a year I wouldn’t mind too much. But making it 3 a year ( at least one of them being a marvel set) is so obnoxious and the fact that it’s slowing down non UB sets releases is so upsetting
The foundation of magic the gathering's next era is not magic the gathering. It's draining it for as much money as possible and destroying the value and texture of the IP to cash-in on whatever IPs for what they can, while they can. 50% of Magic is no longer related to magic's setting or long history at all, and more and more products are pushed onto a wearier fanbase, all of them now in every single format, impossible to avoid. Llorwyn pushed back to make room for a 3rd universes beyond IP in a single year. But it's the only thing buoying hasbro, so here we are.
Yeah, D&D and Magic are propping up WOTC and they're propping up Hasbro. Shareholders are gonna shred the longevity of the game in exchange for the next quarter's profits, so they can sell off the second they don't outsell the previous year.
Magic has been around for 30+ Years. The only reason that is possible is because they change constantly.
They try new things. It doesn't always work, but they review and change and mold.
Saying "Magic is not Magic" is a very shallow minded view of the amazing things this game has pulled off.
Imagine for a moment you try selling the exact same game but never changing it in any way what-so-ever. How many copies will you sell at the start? How many will you sell 5 years down the road? 10? 20? Eventually it grows stale.
Yes, it is a business. They HAVE to make money. If they do NOT make money they can NOT keep making this amazing game.
@@RalphThePyro Delusional take. Nobody is saying they shouldn't make money. Everyone wants them to make money and keep making Magic. People don't want them destroying the Magic brand identity (which they undeniably are) by watering down the game with UB. There is literally nowhere to hide from UB as a Magic player now.
UB was not required for them to make money. They made tons of money before UB that kept the company operating and growing sustainably. Now they make even more in a likely unsustainable fashion. UB wasn't required for them to continue as a successful business. It's an unvarnished cash grab.
This idea that UB is "just them trying new things" is you shilling like crazy for WotC. Trying new things is new mechanics (MDFCs, Manifest Dread, etc), offering unique sets, offering interesting supplemental products (Commander precons, Commander Collections, Signature Spellbooks, From the Vault) is them trying new things. UB is not part of the natural evolution of Magic. It's the watering down of a fantastic and classic IP so that daddy Hasbro can continue increasing revenue year over year in the short term. The game hasn't gotten stale in 30 years because it has new settings, new characters, and new mechanics from amazing designers. UB is not part of that natural progression to keep the game alive - it's the cannibalization of what came before and it's disgusting. WotC is at its best when they make new stuff like Ravnica, Innistrad, and Tarkir not when they are just copy pastaing MCU.
I'm in my 40s,been playing off and on sense i was 15,Turing more collectible than fun of game but hope this brings some of the original fun back
I've been playing tournament magic since 2008. Duskmourn was the first standard legal set that I skipped entirely because of the setting being campy 80s costume schlock. The cheerleader card was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I was actually excited for foundations before this announcement. Now I just feel like what's the point in getting that set when there's only a few months until the Universes Beyond Borg assimilate every magic format. I stopped playing legacy when it got destroyed by ballanced for 4 player cards. I stopped playing modern when it got destroyed by Modern horizons and the one ring. I just started getting into pauper and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before that format's crushed by a Green Goblin's Pumpkin bomb and Chocobo meta. I don't know why the game I've loved for nearly 2 decades has to do this. Pokemon TCG doesn't feel the need to introduce Batman and Austin Powers into its game.
Hilarious that one of the loudest cheers is for MRSP.
TG MSRP is back
@@STS-qi1qy best news of the day
What other announcements did they give that were positive?
Anybody here in 2026 running Minions Aggro in Standard? What about Mono-Red Tetris L-Block in Modern?
You clearly miss the philosophy mentioned in the beginning of the presentation. That you cannot handle that there are sets more to the liking of other target groups says enough about you.
@@KAvanAlten you will definitely be running minions aggro
I'm playing Thanos control right now. It runs 4x Doctor Doom for card draw and 4x Spongebob's Denial as counters.
@@KAvanAltenMagic was already for everyone without these unwanted sets.
@@KAvanAlten I'm moderately excited for Final Fantasy. I'm hugely impressed by what WotC has done with UB so far. I'm not against UB in principle.
At the same time, I think going 50/50 on originals vs UB is a turning point that is reasonable to feel some anxiety over.
Universes Beyond being 50% part of Standard sets unfortunately will drive me away to just focus on EDH and eternal formats.
When you try to create a product for everyone, you end up creating products for no one. This seems to be forgetting your OG fanbase a bit too much
Make sure you start having explicit discussions around it, rule 0 conversations: no silver border, acorn, or universes beyond cards. Aka the joke cards. That is how EDH started and this is how we preserve it from invasion.
@@Pug8 yes but LotR and Warhammer geta a pass:)
The pushing of Universes Beyond into Standard & Pioneer is frustrating not only as a stand-alone decision, but also in how it overshadows the several positive developments outlined in the panel. While Foundations was already public knowledge, the shift in the rotation schedule also seemed like a good move given the end of the block structure*, and the MTG Multiverse sets generally seemed fine. However, the introduction of Universes Beyond into Standard negates and overshadows these improvements. I was personally thinking about but leaning against entering Standard prior to watching this video, but now I most likely won't enter the format. It would be nice to see UB-free fan formats pop up and gain significant traction, but this seems unlikely in practice. I also realized while writing this comment that the introduction of UB to Standard makes the heavy promotion of competitive Standard over competitive Pioneer during the upcoming RCQ cycle seem like a cynical business decision. While there isn't enough evidence to conclusively say whether this is the case, it's still a bad look regardless. I want to reiterate that there is no hard evidence for this suspicion, but that the moves combined were still careless at best.
*I added the asterisk here because, while I generally like the new rotation decision, I dislike how they crammed Bloomburrow and Duskmourn into Fall 2024 with the knowledge that these sets would both be rotated out nine months early.
Half of the sets being Universes beyond is terrible.
UB is going to be the death of magic
The sad thing is that it's probably not. It will just be completely different and unrecognizable. "not for us".
UB is going to be a cash crab for wizards
@@Drecon84 100% correct. That has been WotC's take for years unfortunately. My LGS manager used to be huge into competitive Magic back in the early 2000s (fully blinged out Type 1.5 then Legacy decks kinda guy) and he loved Magic so much through the 90s and early 2000s. Then in Lorwyn in '08 the Planeswalkers came and there was a fundamental shift in the design of Magic. He (and a lot of others) really didn't like the change, but Magic got more and more popular with the new design. He just got left behind liking the older style and Magic became "not for him." He still likes servicing the community and collecting, but he won't play anymore unless it's his curated cube to play the way he likes.
Same thing is happening now it feels like. Magic is undergoing a fundamental identity shift (which I personally think is bad), but WotC is banking on there being more new players coming in than the old guard leaving so that they keep growing. This crap all started with FIRE design and has been downhill ever since for the enfranchised. Just seems to be how WotC moves forward - discard the old players and bank on growing the new. It's worked for them thus far.
Very frustrating to be caught in the "I love Magic but I hate the direction" because it is a very powerless position to be in as the consumer.
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Don't appreciate universes beyond in standard and pioneer. I know that you don't care but it matters to me that , at the very least, I can make my voice heard. Even if you never read this comment.
I agree that having almost every set being UB is a problem, but think of the positives.
Since they’re designing for Standard and not Modern, they have to balance the cards for a more lower power level. That means they’re less likely to create something like Orcish Bowmasters, The One Ring or Nadu.
At least, that’s the idea.
I look at it as no more catering to just 1 format. Tired of commander being the only thing played in the stores in my town. So hopefully this opens up more competitive players for more formats. People don't even draft anymore.
@@drags777Maybe but this does hurt standard a lot. Even if the players like the UB stuff there’s going to be a lot of sets in standard and I think that defeats the point of standard
Yeah. Couldn't they leave at least one format untouched by UB and horizons? Like if these changes were affecting standard but Pioneer was staying horizons and UB free I would be fine with them (even though having so many sets in Standard with a slow rotation is the opposite of what Standard should be). As it stands I've already sold my collection years ago but was considering getting back into Pioneer. Not anymore.
I was starting to participate in standard and build paper decks, I really doubt I'm going to now. This is such crap.
This is such an unfathomable change. As a long time fan of Magic, I can't help but feel I am no longer wanted by them. This is horrible.
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the news that UB will be legal in standard and pioneer as well as replacing half of all magic sets is the last straw for me. after years as a competitive player and going in for FNM almost every week, i'm done with magic. on top of a strong ruleset magic was once a game with strong aesthetic and storytelling identity, and i can see now these things have been thrown to the wayside in favor of diluting magic with other properties.
Please tell them this in the next set survey, set reminders, save it in a phone sticky note. They need to hear from us.
It still sell, and they will not care about you, me, or any other enfranchised players because they do not have to.
This. I just got in into competitive play, I AM one of the new players they brought in just 2 years ago. I am certainly NOT going to sit down and play a card game with some IPs I don’t give a shit about stuffed in on friday night every week. I do give a shit about original magic. Bye, bye, pioneer!
Magic has been for everyone for 30 years without these unwanted sets. Stop gaslighting us.
Why can't we just enjoy the IP that brought us into the game in the first place?
Because money. They want to become the next Lego®.
@@FilmscoreMetalerWorse. They want yo become the next Fortinite. Lego never had a lore to begin with. Now it's becoming as soulless as Fortnite.
@@efuiijust like the new edition of D&D.
Funny that for many players, the "IP that brought us into the game" is Lord of the Rings.
@@Scienceboy0 that's like arguing that TMNT got you into Injustice
When you make a Product for everyone, you make a product for no one.
Hasbro does not know what sticking to one lane is. Just make UB commander legal only and treat it as like commander masters.
47:50 As A Spider-Man Fan And MTG Fan I Dont Want This
Don’t buy it
@@DimirDaddyrefusing to buy to vote with our wallets doesn't matter if 1000 whales and a bunch of people who've never played before buy out the full set and never really play with them
@@Crushanator1 has that happened with any of the UB as far as I’m aware anyone that wanted to play and get product had every opportunity
@@DimirDaddy Yes Am Not
@DimirDaddy it happens with every TCG. The fact that you're blind to all of this doesn't mean it's not happening
I don’t entirely hate the Universes Beyond stuff, but I want to know why WotC feels ashamed to be making MtG. Half of standard sets are going to be advertisements for other franchises at the cost of Magic’s own worlds and flavor. It’s a crying shame that WotC keeps selling itself out and abandoning their own IP.
Making half your sets universe beyond is insulting, and you should feel bad for doing that
But they feel rich instead.
I love the stories on the back of the card too❤
dude this confused me so much too like what the fuck???
Its a great story! Begins with deck and ends with Master. What else does a story need?
@@jaredwhite2580
There's the story of the stray pen mark that's on every Magic card back.
I think he meant the bottom of the card? lol
I have never been one to overreact to this sort of thing, but this feels like the death of Magic. If Wizards had the option of alienating every loyal customer they've ever had over the last 30 years if it meant double the new customers taking their place and double the revenue, they are going to take that every day of the week when the only group that they actually answer to is the shareholders. This is the nature of business and of capitalism and it is why great art cannot be sustained by corporate entities.
Every single publicly traded for-profit company operates under the same exact ruleset, which is to grow the value of the business through the price of the share. It does not matter how well-meaning the people in the companies are, or even the companies themselves are at a given point in time. Every inspired and talented artists or developer or engineer will retire or will die and eventually, necessarily, all that will be left is the product and the profit it can generate, forever. Every single piece of entertainment media that has the quality such that it can hold value over time will eventually be owned by a soulless corporation. Even the private estates of artists are not safe. It's ironic that this is happening with IPs such as Lord of the Rings (a beautiful piece of fiction whose material is now partially owned by Amazon), Fallout (a game series bought-out by Bethesda, a company which itself has become a soulless entity), and Marvel (its entertainment rights picked on by many media conglomerates due to the financial difficulties faced by the Marvel company, eventually bought and owned by Disney). The properties chosen for these partnerships are already examples of the for-profit liquidity of art against the benefit of the consumer.
There is no more sitting down to play Magic for the lore and universe as a holistic experience. There is no more flipping over a card, seeing an interesting character from the lore of Magic, and wondering how they fit into the universe or the greater story. There is no more cohesive story, no more love or care for the material built by artists over 30 years. There is no more Magic.
Surprised the crowd didn’t boo.
They were in too much shock
If they did there would be wizards employees picking out who did so that they wouldn't be invited back
Could certainly hear the murmurs of discontent, tho! 😅
I mean if the biggest Magic shills are gonna be anywhere...
3/4 of the audience were influencers and e-celebs. They're getting paid to be there.
It doesnt matter but as a fairly new player I started dipping my toes into standard these past few months. I like that it was only in universe sets. but now with UB sets being printed into the format and 6 standard sets next year it has killed all my enthusiasm for constructed formats. I just dont have the time to keep up.
My big worries with MTG are as follow :
- Too many sets per year, I don't even have time to fully explore what each set has to offer anymore
- Not a fan of the sheer number of crossover sets. One per year should be enough. At best, I think only 3 types of "crossover" products should be made per year, like 1 set and 2 commander precons at MAX
- The creation of collector booster was completely pointless because the price of play boosters didn't drop in to an affordable amount for people who solely want to play the game, and I find the game VERY expensive to play nowadays
This video did nothing to ease any of those worries
“Slow down and don’t have Universes Beyond”
“We heard you and we are listening! We are going to speed up on universes beyond!”
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Ehhhh don't make UB legal in all formats.
"I turn over to the back of the card to read the story of the card"
I'm glad someone else did a double take
What a fool.
Is he talking about the ad cards? Or some unknown bundles' insert pamphlet? The fact that I can't tell scares me.
All of the Magic-Original sets look really cool! Why do we have to cram in Universes Beyond sets nobody wants?? Pushing back Lorwyn is a goddamn crime
To bring new and younger players to the game. It is also the purpose of the foundation set and why the ub are legal in standard. Where I play, the players are between 30 and 40 years old. The prerelease weekend for the lord of the ring, the store was completely full. The lotr boosters are gone from the shelves since a long time but you can still buy boosters even from Kaldheim
@@Maxime7101 I don't know what stores you're going to where they're not selling LOTR anymore, but Kaldheim isn't standard legal anymore either if you didn't notice!
@@Maxime7101 Foundations is what "getting new players into the game" should look like. Magic should be interesting to new players based on its own merits, not just because there's an IP they like in it.
If someone decides to try Magic because of the Spider-Man set or whatever, odds are they're just not going to care about any of the rest of the game. You build a lasting fanbase by hooking them with the actual things your game is built on, not one-time media tie-ins.
@@Maxime7101 They hated him for he told them the truth.
"Universes Beyond sets nobody wants" kekw
"we have more players than ever before"
Maybe thats the case in the US, but not in Europe. I've never seen MTG been so unpopular as it is right now. LGS used to be 70% mtg and now everyone is playing Star Wars and Lorcana and not caring at all for MTG outside of Commander leagues and some ocasional Modern.
It isn't the case here they are confusing correlation with causation. Outside collectors of different fandoms are buying cards and aren't that interested in joining like buying branded Pez dispensers or Funko. Tell MaRo on his Bogatog. We can make our voices heard.
Bullshit! MTG has a very strong IP in fact its so strong that diluting it makes players angry!
At this new all-time-low with UB, the next logical step is crossmarketing sets in the near future. Expect a Marlboro UB set, or a Temu UB set. And these very same people will still praise the great opportunities and tell you how excited they are.
I sat down to watch this so excited for what we would see but now im just tired. Been wanting a return to Tarkir for a decade and just couldnt even muster any excitement at that section
So much for UB skipping standard, and there being more magic universe stuff than UB. We couldnt even get through one year of this 2 UB sets a year before jumping to 3.
Ya it very much felt like: "here is this thing some of you wanted.....anyways let's move on"
The hollow promises of magic being accessible to everyone is honestly laughably insensitive to Brazilian and other Portuguese speaking communities of magic players. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of manga and anime as an art form and I'm not gonna shit talk promos that people are excited about, but it feels really shitty to give the Japanese magic community constant promos and special treatments and unique art while so many people that were AVID magic fans can't even get cards in their language anymore.
They seem to only care about middle sized communities that they think they can grow. Too big like United States - take for granted, "too small" and they abandon your community.
tcg no geral é mt forte no japão e se fosse mtg fosse mais rentável aqui pra wotc, até pelé de commander tinha
Finally, a comment here I can agree with.
I was really excited about the direction they were taking with Foundations, but now UB in standard and pioneer? 🤢 Please don't
Time to read while the Commentsection is still shown :D
Wonder how long it'll take before it gets deleted to try and maintain the facade of universal bland excitement for every new product.
UB should not be legal in other formats... kills the IP of the game which attracted loads of players across the years. Not sure a duel between Lily and Wolverine has any taste...
A lot of the stuff like tace set i think i pretty cool, but UB being legal in any other format than commander is something i genuenly hate. Cool to bring new people to Magic, but it should not come at the expense of Magics own identity
MSRP coming back is very welcomed.
Oh thank God, but 1 good decision in a sea of shit a little too late I think it may be
LOTR was the monkey's paw, it seems. I'd give up all my hobbits to never have had access to universes beyond
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I give it 2 years before there are more Universes Beyond than actual Magic sets.
2? Depending on the supplemental sets, it could be next year.
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genuinely devastated by this announcement, thanks for the memories but i will be leaving this game.
Bluf.
Goodbye! It was nice meeting you! 👋
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RIP Pioneer, the last eternal format untouched by Hasbro relentless greed, has fallen today
RIP😢
RIP to the best format 😢
Thanks to the Universes Beyond being crammed into Standard sets and making only half of Magic actual Magic, I will never spend another dollar on your products.
That's a shame, because now I will have to spend those thousands a year on another product that respects its customers.
And I was actually looking forward to Lorwyn and Innistrad Remastered. So many booster boxes will now rot on the shelves instead getting cracked with friends. :(
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Let this be a lesson to any newer players or players that have started to become enfranchised. WotC lies to use or changes their mind regularly. Universes Beyond is just the next iteration of say one thing, do another.
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mtg truly is the fortnite of card games
Yep, that's what sells, apparently.
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What a freeing experience it is to finally have zero desire to care about any aspect of this game. Goodbye, Magic, I will not miss you.
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I just came back to the game a couple of months back, and now I'm considering reversing course.
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Same. Lorwyn was one of my favorite blocks back in the day and to find out they pushed it back for Spider-man is very sad.
I was playing actively since 2001. I stopped few years ago because of endless set releases and I won't return now.
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Ah yes, all real magic players flip the card over and read the flavor text on the back of the card. I see this show runner is one of us.
How long until it's all Universes Beyond and no Magic IP sets per year? Never thought I'd see the last magic set and now the only question is when will they be completely replaced.
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Dobby is a free elf! Master has given Dobby a sock! Dobby is free!
Never again must I buy cards for a game that will disappear. Never again must I update my deck with cards that make my old ones obsolete in an eternal format. The game I played is gone and Hasbro has, in its place, given us a game that is built on the same principals and yet mechanically different. The color pie died because color-weaknesses make you feel bad. Original Lore died while chasing Marvel money for a decade. In-store play died through uninformed product design and poor mechanical gameplay making for miserable play-experience and broken-faith promises. Magic the Gathering: Arena is a worthless piece of software, gouging players online and eliminating meaningful meta discovery; where every single opponent is no different than playing a bot.
But now I'm free! There are no strings to the past left to tie me to the game. Bloomburrow gets to be the setting sun, easily identifiable from the future as the time where Magic the Gathering went away and Magic the Lonesome was sold in its place on the hope that children will crack open Mom's/Dad's wallet more efficiently than I would my own.
Thank you to all the designers and artists and writers and everyone else who put work into a game I love. I have had many, many fantastic hours and days with it. It has given me reason to travel and meet new people that are my friends to this day. May we all meet again, on another plane.
It was great Walking with you.
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MTG is a game about battles between planeswalkers. They summon creatures, cast powerful spells, etc., using five colors of mana. For heaven’s sake, how did Transformers, Spider-Man, SpongeBob, and others end up here? Why do we deserve this? Even if they’re good, let them stay in their own origins.
You’re not exploring what fantasy could be, you’re undermining the very foundation of the game, its concept. You’re taking the easiest route - grabbing popular existing franchises, throwing them together in one ugly mash-up, and serving it up as a “new and exciting direction for the game.” You don’t care about old players or the tremendous work that went into MTG’s original worlds and ideas, because Universes Beyond and Secret Lairs will bring you a lot of money.
The Foundations of Magic’s Next Era is the killing of the game itself, its roots, lore, and atmosphere - all for profit.
Fornite: The Gathering
I have so many mixed feelings about introducing UB into standard. On one hand I think a lot of new players will want to try standard and pioneer but on the other hand, UB taking up HALF of the yearly releases is absolutely nuts. 2 would be pushing it but I could live with it. I don't like where this is going. But it's not like it's gonna stop because UB prints money. Crossovers are a smart business tactic because they merge together two audiences. It's the whole reason rappers and pop artists release collabs or why Smash Bros is so successful.
I fear that within the next few years they'll keep prioritizing UB over in universe sets more and more until UB becomes the main focus. At that point magic will have completely changed its identity. I will try to be optimistic about this change but I will always miss when magic was it's own thing.
Magic is a billion dollar brand. It reached that point without universes beyond.
universes beyond shouldn't be in standard, there should always be a format where people can go and play with in-universe cards only, if that doesn't come up I'll probably will be quitting magic by the time final fantasy releases
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How can I be excited and disappointed at the same time?
I personally hate when people turn over the back of the card and read the stories of the characters instead of playing their cards. 5:42
Magic is truly a game for everyone. It’s more than just cards-it’s about gathering friends, sharing laughs, and creating memories. You teach someone to play, share your favorite decks, and suddenly, you’re bonding over epic victories and clever plays. It’s a heartwarming blend of friendship, competition, and a little bit of luck.
But then, something changes. Your bond becomes rivalry. “Friendly” games get tense. You start building decks meant not just to win-but to destroy. You start eyeing each other across the table, calculating and cold. Strategies grow darker. You plot your friend’s downfall, not in jest, but with a burning, competitive rage.
The warmth of camaraderie fades as a different fire kindles. This is no longer just a game; it’s a brutal test of survival. Alliances shatter. Peace was merely an illusion, and war is now inevitable. You witness once-cheerful gatherings descend into relentless battles-words sharp, intentions sharper. The table becomes an unforgiving battleground.
This is the Dark Ages reborn: a world of shattered trust and raging ambition. Villages burn in the back of your mind as factions clash without mercy. Gone is the lightheartedness of friends having fun. Now there’s only conquest. The cries of fallen comrades echo through imaginary fields. The game has spiraled into chaos, a medieval melee where victory must be taken by force-where betrayal is your strongest card, and compassion is the ultimate weakness.
The laughter is gone, replaced by the guttural roars of hardened warriors, cards slamming down like the clash of swords. The age of peace has been left behind. You didn’t come to play; you came to conquer, and now only ashes remain where friendship once stood.
If I was an employee working on world building I would be updating my resume right now.
The irony is that Mark 'timeboxed to demand' Heggen definitely did not want to bring back MSRP.
Universes Beyond is now standard legal and half of ALL sets!
*Everyone disliked that*
90% of magic players don't care about what artwork or character is on the card. They only care about the mechanics of each card. This is just the facts, bro.
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Looking for another TCG that respects itself. Any recommendations?
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Little to no applause for the announcement of format legality changes. That should be a big tell, but they won’t hear us.
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I have been playing this game for eight years, I am eighteen. I've spent eight years seeing this game go from this blossoming, thriving community to a deflowered Fortnite item shop run by sadistic business men who abhore it.
Me friends call me grumpy for caring this much aboot the quality of art and lore, but hey, when they get killed by Ronald McDonald's infinite combo with the Yo-Gabba-Gabba monster and realize how stupid what they're playing is, I'll be laughing.
Thanks for allowing me to save 50% of the money I spend on magic each year.
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I was going to applaud the choice not to have 'straight to modern' sets any more (and I'm a modern player), but then they went on to say '6 sets per year' and the worst of all 'half of them won't contain any MTG lore at all'. WotC, please for the love of god listen to your consumer base. We don't want 6 sets a year. Your idea of Foundations is actually ruined by the act of making more and more sets per year for the same format. We certainly don't want Magic to be Marvel. You own one of the best games ever made, and you keep making these monumental mistakes, which overshadow the good choices you make too.
23,000 views and only 700 likes? Yikes
Would love to see that dislike ratio
1k /1,2k
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We will just have to not support the UB products, by not buying them, and make sure we all buy boosters for Original MTG sets, thats the only language these companies will listen to and its called Money amd Sales
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Outside collectors will still buy the cards and it will be misunderstood as success.
You destroyed your own IP, congrats
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Imagine your IP is so low effort that you need to dillute your IP with others to get more players..
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Ok...but what if i want to play magic the gathering?
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WOTC, the company that is so totally disconnected from its user base. New rules proves that statement and this announcement is icing on the cake.
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The winning strategy: All UB are commander legal ONLY.
Every quarter (or other set time period) release multiple UB themed RESKINNED competitive 60 card starter decks for whatever format wizards wants to funnel the new players into.
Design for magic players, advertise to new players, and provide a path to bridge the gap.
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Listen to that crowd pop for the return of msrp and then compare that to the reaction that universes beyond is standard legal.
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Universe Beyond is killing Magic
It's killing the identity and soul of Magic. Unfortunately it's probably technically more lucrative and got more attention than ever, which is all Hasbro cares about anymore..
Geez , I hope Lego people don't see this ...lol
@@GothamKnight-hsw4vx526430 UB is Magic now
Catering to only commander is killing Magic. Can't convince me otherwise.
@@andrehall23 I mean Lego is a toy. I can buy whatever sets I like. Outside IP or not. I could say the same for magic but it's a game and if the best card is in a format is a UB card I am going to see it and if I want to be competitive be forced to use it.
Also there are many Lego fans who want more original sets.
Reading the back of the card explains the card . . .
I'm done. "This product is not for you" is now "This game is not for you". Never buying a single Hasbro product again.
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I didn't think product fatigue would get to me, but I've been feeling it of late and this year I started scaling back how much Magic I've been buying, although I have been buying a little into most sets. I think 2025 will mark the first year I will skip entire sets outright because I just don't have the money, time, and energy for it all. I don't hate Universes beyond, but I do think that it should have stayed out of Standard and three major releases a year is way too much. I'd much prefer one major release (booster packs + precons) per year. Maybe one more set of precons and a few Secret Lairs after that if you have to do more UB products. But I think as I peel away from buying Magic because of fatigue, I find that I want to buy it even less. And perhaps that will eventually get me to quit. After all, I have enough Magic since 1994 to last me a lifetime of playing...
Its just so sad and embarrassing that wizards hasnt managed to build its own strong IP so that now magic is being overtaken by this whole metaverse crap…
I feel they did, but here we go anyway
@@jerb82 They had something strong around 2015-16, then they tried to cobble together their own justice league to copy the big thing at the time. And then suddenly every set was about the Gatewatch and they just couldn't carry things with how bland they all were. Instead of hiring better writers and making better character they cut the amount of time spent on each plot point and kept barreling forward until they'd sunk themselves.
No one cares about the IP bro, they only care about what the card does.
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Really dont like universe beyond in non commander tournament legal sets. I understand wanting new players having cards, but thats what commander is for. To have community and to build what you want. Just wish it was more commander legends style.
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absolutely shameless. I won't be spending another dollar on this game.
Suuuuure
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So until half of the video:
Positive:
-msrp is back
Negativ:
-Universes beyond is legal everywhere, so no format is for people anymore that enjoy magic without shrek and spiderman(and my ideas for playing standard are killed off)
- we get the allspark as a magic card and they didn't think to make it a set symbol and instead chose one of the worst set symbols of all .. cool
Added to positiv:
-There are only 3 sets, I might spend money on next year. Innistrad, Tarkir and maybe the spaceset ... 🎉...
- netflix show is maybe comming someday
- might be the perfect year, to have a break from magic and save money for something useful until we get to lorwyn
Negativ:
-Lorwyn is delayed to 2026 (I think we knew about that allready)
- i didn't see garruk anywhere
- we get the pokemon frame for every set from now on
- more universes beyond including spiderman the set that (when i got it right) will be standard legal🤢
- most likely the golgari verge land will have the awful aethersomething setsymbol🤢
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I’m quitting. Standard legal UB is just too far. I’ll keep playing commander with my friends with my decks as they are now, but wizards isn’t getting another dollar out of me. The selling out is absolutely atrocious
90% of magic players don't care about what artwork or character is on the card. They only care about the mechanics of each card.
@@Goujikithis is absolutely not true
@nikhilchhagan7371 So the most expensive cards that are legal in most formats, aren't strong eh? They're just expensive because of their art/lore?... This is a Card GAME lol. Emphasis on GAME.
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So know if we want to escepe or daily life and dig in to our hobbies were can we play Magic the gathering ? cause this year you are so full of different ips that Τarkir alone cant carry the whole game. and dont get me wrong i love all they new stuff that is out of magic but not when the take magic's place...if i want to get lost in a marvel universe trust me i have plenty of options ...but if i am missing Lorwyn were should i go?
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For all of you guy complaining about the direction MtG goes: There is a format called "Premodern". You don't have to worry about new stupid mechanics, powercreep and new busted cards ruining the whole format. It's growing in popularity because the things I just mentioned. It's a safe space with the good old MtG and a nice balanced meta!
That sad robot art is pretty hot! Nice to see some of these new borderless arts.
As a long time player I feel very sad to see UB diluting what I love about the game.
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Well, more Universes Beyond at least means I have more money to spend on other stuff in my life.
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Yeahhhh is 2025 now the downfall of magic? Moving away from Magic IP or UB IP? Wow this sucks. I loved magic BECAUSE of magic lore. I don't care about spiderman or spongebob
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