Just a small note on the recent interaction between myself and @philipmarcelo6119: There is a discussion that we've been having on this thread that is related to a different matter relative to what Mr. Shanmugam and Mr. Manap discussed here. You’ll find a little bit of that documented in a post that I left on the Community tab. Link: ruclips.net/user/postUgkx7oyKkkGEb0xcvnVOBv4Jmu6rDCCPOrds?si=uMbh_623N7WB9T-1 I think that this is a matter of public interest for people who are in Singapore - in the same way that we agree that having religion play any part in policymaking is unacceptable, here is another question: Should people be hindered from practicing their values in politics? Mr. Marcelo certainly thinks so. I leave it to you guys to decide what’s happening with him and his comments there 🤷🏻♂️
@@VictorTan oh dear all I wrote was if the politicians can’t keep their religion out of politics then they should stay out of politics. Politics does not restrict a potential candidate from practicing their religious beliefs. Personally I think it’s a good thing if his religious beliefs embraces and respects the beliefs of all their constituents.
@ My comment was: “But is it really fair to expect all politicians to change their personal values and stop being who they are just when they've been elected?” Your response was: “yes if you can't then stay out of politics!!” People can read and I collect evidence, not hearsay, Mr. Marcelo, so please stop trying to defend yourself. 😊 Easy for people to see on the comments thread. Do you know what’s easier for you to do at this point? Make the apology that you have failed to make and demonstrate the manners that you did not possess when you arrived here. This is your best option at this stage, and I recommend that you take it.
There is a bit of nuance to this! As a credit to Mr. Manap, it’s true that when it comes to very specific matters involving religion, it’s good to involve subject matter experts who are involved in the religion. As a matter of fact, one could also consider non-Muslim experts important in understanding the needs of the non-Muslim community; the problem here is, though, that Ngeh Koo Ham of the DAP tried proposing this once and was completely canceled for it - and the religious ones rejoiced and proceeded to call him a pariah for making that actually rather bright suggestion. It is very easy to fall into the trap, target, or crosshairs of these people in Malaysia unless it’s possible to secure the narrative and ensure that they cannot twist things like these into an idea that someone is trying to destroy their religion when frankly, most people who are not of their religion want NOTHING to do with their religion apart from tolerating it, paying the occasional interfaith visit, understanding why they believe things while not being obligated to believe them, then hi bye.
@@Hugh-S Yes. And there should be clear measures at hand to charge or neutralize the efforts of anyone who attempts to present non Muslim concerns as wholly anti Muslim or non-anything as anti-everything. Malaysia needs politics and legislators that can effectively address the needs of ALL citizens, not just a couple of people who want to act smart and say that anything reasonable is against their interests.
@@VictorTan I'm sorry for you. You don't know Islam and you clearly don't know what you are saying. You should not impose your personal knowledge or preference on Islam or Malaysia.
Yes! In a country like Malaysia, I hope that they’ll enforce the 3R laws, and not stop there - that they’ll also make sure to take the steps necessary to identify and find the ones who want to use things like ‘nationalism’ or ‘race pride’ as an excuse to throw out racism against others whatever nation they come from 🙏
maybe im wrong ... but the other guy keeps on asking the same question just to get clarification ... his response at 0:32, 1:01 , 4:32 seems contradictory ...
I think he didn’t do too badly all things considered! It’s fair to say that your values and what you hold dear are things that you can’t just take away because you are in politics - like, do you just stop being who you are or stop believing what you believe because you enter politics? I think not, and I think that’s not fair to suggest that our representatives do at all. Obviously if the rep were to use that faith in order to secure personal benefit by asking people to vote for them because they are Muslim or because it sways their view of policy formulation for the entire community, then there we have a problem. With Malaysia the situation appears slightly different given how things have played out differently and arguably much worse according to a few metrics, but with a broader swathe of people who are similar to Mr Manap in terms of religious beliefs. In this situation then, should all people who are like that let their beliefs influence their policymaking though? It appears that it might on the surface since now a larger portion of the population share in that faith, but in reality the answer is no, since the common stock of money in the country is the result of the joint efforts of all communities and if you are still following the concept of having a national treasury to serve national interests and the common denominators amongst the people - namely our wellbeing and standards of living, not anything else and certainly in no way wellbeing as determined by the emotional highs and lows perpetrated by charismatic preachers who will make eskimos purchase igloos and invest in volcanoes in Antarctica.
@Ahiman1700, I feel sorry for you. You don't know Islam and you clearly don't know what you are saying. You should not impose your personal knowledge or preference on Islam. Islam is a complete way of life, but you will know it if you study Islam with a neutral and fair mind.
@@azrylabb495 if islam is the complete way of life, how come the muslim in malaysia that believe in islam want to be racism on the minority, they also event the name of allah for keep racism "allah satukan kami, tolak icerd" you can search this work in google image and see is it real, after that go translate and see what it mean if you not not understand malay language
As far as I’m Concerned, Religion should ABSOLUTELY be kept out of politics. It’s a VERY Slippery slope if one or more Religions are allowed to dictate in a SECULAR SOCIETY what laws applies to who or what towards different communities. As any individual in a Secular society, it gives them the opportunity to step back and REEVALUATE if a particular religion’s way of life is suitable for them without being legally and socially forced to comply.
If ruling party want to govern Singapore based solely on religious ground, i'm sure its continuity in Singaporean political theatre will be threaten in a foreseeable future. I am sure PAP leadership understand this very well.
Religion & Race issues should be keep separate from politic, Once you allowed this and tomorrow they will ask for more.. never ending. SG government must get rid of these radical.
It’s great that you’re thinking about this! Radicalization definitely is something to avoid - but is it something to fear, though? I think it’s something to deal with with specific strategies by starting to talk more to Malay people on a massive scale; I think that firstly, they are cool and it is good to do so, but secondly also that their help is needed when it comes to dealing with this. Just think about how whenever there are contentious issues about anything related to the major faith/religion, say something that affects other communities, and then someone of that religion actually comes in and speaks against the majority. You will see dozens, if not, hundreds of likes (if not dozens of angry reactions from people screaming that the people who spoke up are ‘barua bangsa’), because rather than it being a critique from someone, external, it is a realization from within and a pushback against all of the forces that that person faces in the world. I don’t think that is unfair that an expression from someone like that would be more popular, though - in fact, I am happy to just be in the background; it really takes a lot more courage to speak out from within your own religion rather than what I may choose to do at any given point, and I think we should encourage that on a massive scale in our society in our individual conversations and lead it to a national scale discussion 🙏
Should the parliament talk be held in a mosque , a chinese temple , an indian temple or a church ? Who has the biggest say ? Leave the religions out of politics when running a country because huge tax payers money are involved and to serve the common people must come first because we are all one singapore. The building where the parliament talk is held must never have any religion shape and design.
@alantan9585 habis brunei okay jea...kalo tgk us dn uk amlkan agama christian maju juga...kalo tgk taliban pun sdh mmbngun negara compare dr badut us afghanstan
@@jjfoo62 I’ve since learned a bit more about Taqiyyah - Taqiyyah as it’s practiced is mostly a Shiite ideology and therefore against most of the Sunni community in Malaysia and Singapore; idk if we would call lying taqiyyah in general - something to investigate 🤔
@@VictorTantaqyyiah is not only shite Muslim it’s all Muslims who follow the Koran Syrah 3:28 it’s says clearly believers are not to take non believers as friends and advisors. Therefore Muslims have to vote only Muslim candidates. It is haram to vote for non Muslims. I hope spore will not be like UK and Australia where the Muslim votes is causing the leaders to sell their souls for Muslim votes!! I believe our leaders are specially schooled in Islam that is why we left M’sia. I must emphasise Muslims are very good decent people like everyone else it’s Islam that sets them apart. Islam doesn’t encourage integration our revered deceased LKY once did say “if we can’t sit on the same table and have dinner….”. I hope WP will spend time looking into Islam more closely to understand what is wrong with Manap!!
I heard about this! I talk a lot about Singapore with my Singaporean friends, and there’s discussion about how they created interfaith councils that are used whenever controversial things like the water reservoir suicide incident. Link: lizhen1379.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/blessing-at-bedok-reservoir-reliving-the-corpse-in-water-tank-incident/ But frankly, religion should not be hoodwinking or using our government, and individual actors should not be manipulating people in our country whether ministers deputy ministers or otherwise - the Malaysia case is clearly suboptimal.
Oh, but people in Malaysia don't want them either though. It’s just a matter of making them take action, and you have an incentive to help us because it’s just outside your borders. It's best for them if they can secede to a territory in the middle of nowhere and then run their little political game by themselves and they can celebrate in their leadership day in and day out 😭
Why do U cry foul when manap stating his values based on faith? We are diverse society.. Our Constitution guarantees freedom of religions worship n their practices. It's the malpractices, cults, extremitism that's need be vigilant about and be exposed.
The best way for the good of the country or the world is the country come first for the best of the country future. As religions are one faith in believers and keep it to itself and the god you worship. So it should be separate to have problems in the country future. Religion was God blessing to who that believes in their God. So a country once have religion and politics together, than one will say his religion believe, and others too will says their religion say these. So in the end religion will cause misunderstanding among the citizens. Very religions as they own ways of teaching, no all will follow the other religion ways.
Love and agree 100% agree. Sadly, none of Muslims dare to say that because in their mind, it is sin to criticise own faith even though it seems so wrong😢 Honestly, it is selfish and posessive. 😅😅
Pritam Singh, don't bring Christianity into the argument. Why single out Christianity? He could have mention Sikhism, a religion, I am sure he is more familiar with. The argument between Mr Manap and the Minister is about a particular religion. Mr Singh, if you are doing damage control, don't bring up other people's religion as an example. What a disgrace!
@@AndrewYeo-si7hj He’s clearly using Christianity as a clearly understandable example. Let me tell you and all of you out there straight up that I think fundamentalist Christians and people who are too sensitive about Christianity are no better than Muslims or Buddhists who are the same 🙏
@@philipmarcelo6119 I am not a Muslim convert and frankly, whether I am a Muslim convert or not is none of your business. Understand that you are overstepping your boundaries, Mr. Marcelo. Have you considered learning the manners that you seem not to have learned from your parents, or did your upbringing throughout life impede you from that? 🤗
@ I need to have a clear understanding of who I am dealing with. Your response to me clearly demonstrates that what you accuse me of is exactly what you yourself are was I rude to you? Are you being rude to me? Our exchanges will only distract others from the main Topic so please don’t change the topic by making personal attacks on me. It truly reflects badly on you. Should Religion be involved in Politics don’t bring in M’sia politics or other religions too.
This Mat would not hesitate to introduce religious fanatism into Singapore politics. Looking around , isnt the answer very obvious! Just a few days ago, Iran's religious govt has made it a capital offence not to wear headress . Worst, ut is deemed a criminal offence for women to defend themselves against sexual harassment.
How would Victor Tan be a muslim? This is a mystery to me. I do question his motive. Pritnam Singh answered beautifully. Religion governs all aspects of personal life of a believer but when the religion goes into imposing it's values on other faiths, it has crossed the line of what it should.
He’s not. He also would be very happy if Pritam and Shanmugam were in Malaysia and every single MP in Malaysia advocating for any form of religious overreach would be removed from parliament 😊
Totally should be separated especially in Malaysia, any government governing a multi religious country should treat any race community must be treated fairly, equal rights no restrictions in personal practices
of late, especially near to Christmas celebration time, quite a number of political MP s and aduns had been visiting churches, Chinese temples and spiritual organisations, well that's for obvious reasons known only to themselves.
I think the question the MP posed is not detailed enough to be answered. It is an question that cannot be answered . I think religions and politics are interlinked in such a way that sometimes they should be separated and sometimes they could work hand in hand , but not all the times. For instance, religious prople shpuld not be involved in politics but yet these grouos of people should have their rights to choose their own paths as their main roles, identities , values and objectives in life vary. Just my personal opinions. Moreover religions should be clearly defined before further argument is to be continued. They are not normal SME nor working groups whereby they earn money like the rich . Another thing is religious groups have their own systems of rules and precepts but these should definitely not breaking the social basic ethnics like bribing , sexual misconduct, money laundering, no matter what the religious groups practice and they should not be allowed to registered as recognized religious groups since they cannot even follow the basic rules of the society or country. Lastly, the founder and any mentors or important supporters should not be making up their fake stories on any social media as an indirect means of attracting large numbers of follors for financial support as this is form of cheating as well as breaking the social rules of honesty and should not be trusted and should not be allowed as recognized religious groups.
Religion should not be in politics. It will be chaotic as Singapore is a multiracial country. We can see what is happening in Europe. We should respect and live in harmony.This is what we have been reciting in our country pledge.
@@indirakrishnan4496 God bless Singapore, and God bless Malaysia! Which God is a matter of debate to those with lesser minds and looser alignment with realities that stand apart from deception, but to each their own and unto their own divinity 🤗
Religion must always be separated from politics as there's no one religion that applies to all people! Don't let the insidious fingers of religious people to poke their fingers into our politics in the name of "good"!
Does this means opposition party will involve religion into their polictics if they ever become a ruling party? I hope PAP will continue to rule until I die. After that I don't care who rules Singapore.
Sure it can rule. You’d just be one of the low tier followers though, I’m sure? Congratulations on your accident of birth. Given your reasoning skills though, I’m not sure if you have very much else to be proud of apart from being evidence that there are some people from Singapore who will casually bring down the average while throwing out accusations as if they haven’t even been through primary school. 🙃
@@Marcustzb The question is, how to make them stop using it as a tool? I think the current 3R laws are a good start - it would be good if anyone reading this knows how to use other methods to make sure it doesn’t get manipulated as well though!
Never ride on religion and race into politics, Malaysia political party are based on race and religion than malaysia are multi cultural culture and race .
An interesting thing about this is that whenever there has been an attempt to call for a multicultural moment, what has often happened in Malaysian society is that the result has been Chinese dominated, partly because of the racial focus of the other parties, which makes it so that they become Malay dominated because they refuse to be a part of parties like the DAP. Unfortunately, it is often interpreted the other way when people look at the Chinese dominated (but definitely approaching multicultural) nature of the DAP, and immediately assume it was chauvinist from the start and had always wanted to exclude the Malays - which was not true, and reflects a massive and national scale misunderstanding, or willful choice to deceive the public that completely flips the order of events. It is not that something like DAP is racist and hence it is dominated by another race - it is that racist political parties want to keep people subservient to them and hence they preach lies to their members and claim they are fighting for race and religion and that the multiculturalism that is Malaysia’s true nature is anathema to their existence and hence they must oppose it - this they call ‘justice’ even as they orchestrate their grand deception. Presenting what is multicultural or pushes for it as ‘dominated by an enemy race’ or ‘communist’ is part of the tactic of Malaysia’s national adversaries - the race and religion grifters - and unfortunately it can result in tangible results (Chinese dominated composition in DAP, Malays close ranks and only join others) which allow the grifters to claim that their opponents themselves are racists…!
@VictorTan when one politic is based on religion and race , the chinese are make into a enemy to their race and religion, very dangerous politics , the malays make up 60 percent of the population, how could the malays lose power to the chinese and the prime minister should always be a malays in our constitution? The malays political party break up into 5 fraction division political party, so race and religion is popular to wins votes among the malays . The leadership of malays use malays to cheat malays to win votes to gain power . Malaysia cannot separate religion and race from politic , one fine day in the future , the religion becomes the king over politic .
What a stupid and silly question? Plse value your freedom of worship and the state is not governed by any religious doctrine. No religion can and should claim special privileges!!
Thank you so much for the kind words and for listening till the end! 😭 It made me very happy to read this, and look forward to seeing you in my next videos!
Don't bring religion into politics in Singapore!!!!...the death in Muslim countries at the moment (fighting for religion) including the genocide is a terrible mistake!!!!!
I agree we shouldn’t discuss religion that’s our privilege and we are by the constitution have the freedom to worship. We should discuss POLITICAL ISLAM it is storming the world and causing havoc and if we are not alert it will soon be in our country too.
is it compulsory for muslim to follows Christian's rules and regulations? OR, is it compulsory for christian to follows muslim's rules and regulations? what do you think? what kind of logic is that, if we are asking others who are embracing different religion to follow our religion's rules and regulation, unless they are converted to my religion? for the religious fanatics, think twice before you gives your statement, don't shows your ignorant....
@@W-Sfire7000 But is it really fair to expect all politicians to change their personal values and stop being who they are just when they’ve been elected?
@VictorTan Of course not, but this group (Muslims),I believe anyway (PO), is the only EXCEPTION, worldwide, from what I've seen read and experienced of their social/public manuverings? - their casual USING of politics/public services (once they feel settled enough) to surreptitiously SNEAK IN their Islamic Way of Life - To TRY to slowly impose it on others via Stealth (slow but sure). They are actually OBLIGED to do so according to their Faith , isn't that Creepy Deepy Scary? I said IMPOSE not Convert like other Faith's dynamics. This faith is out to DOMINATE and their best tool is GOVT's ,not Banks, or money street. But the seat of Power they after, not altar of Gold. For that expressed purpose. Not saying Manap is a classic case (I'm under Aljunied by the way) but the way he answers the good Minister's very calibrated re-questioning has shown up few rather errr disconcerting/hair standing giveaways/nuances, should I say?ie: the (way) he said he is a Muslim, not the fact he said hint hin. After watching this Vid I have reservations over whole WP selection. And with Pritam in dock now, I give up. But I'm neither PAP fan too, they piss me off on many public services fronts, but when they talk, they make sense, clear and good English. Unlike nasi lemak Manap
@@philipmarcelo6119 It looks like you have some sort of problem with people having any form of personal values. It’s nice that you are a soulless person, but I suggest you stop trying to impose your standards on other people 🤗
@ you are a typical trouble maker when they can’t give an honest answer they change the subject by making derogatory remarks about anyone who challenges them. Answer the question honestly and don’t change the subject fool!!
Keep religion in the place of worship, then this troubled world will be a better place. When you are sick, you look for professional doctors.when you need housing, you look for architects and construction companies. So keep whatever religion in the place of worship.Dont disturb others rights..
You cannot separate religion & politics bec for Muslims the way of life, involves to a certain extent, politics. Some policies made contradict with the way of life for Muslims.
I remember you, by the way. I expect you to be respectful this time if you want to have a conversation. 😊 I will assume that you are in agreement with having non Muslim experts identify where policies don’t work with Muslims and also Muslim experts to work with non Muslim experts to ensure that legislative agendas do not collide and will generally serve ALL Malaysians, not specific groups. 😊 That’s a proper step forward, yes?
@@janarthnamvelu6067 I really cannot understand your comments and I suspect most people cannot either, and even as I would love the chance to engage with my audience, I am unable to do so if you do not write in a legible way or think through what you actually want to say. Please rewrite if you actually want to take part in a discussion.
IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE .IN SECULAR COUNTRIES LIKE SPORE RELION IS KEPT OUT.WHERE ELSE MUSLIM COUNTRIES RELIGION IS EVERY ASPECT FINANCE EDUCATION JUDICIARY.GOT IT.
Yes.. it must be separate ❤❤❤ but unfortunaly party pas in our conutry in Malaysia almost everyday using name of allah to gain more political milages for thier own benefits dan try to brainwash thier suppoters or folliwers in every dirty movements without limits.. sorry for my broken english.. 😁😁😁
Terima kasih and thank you for commenting even though your English is not the best yet, and good luck in developing the skill! We are so lucky that you are not out there saying that you are not British as an excuse for not learning! 😭
Fyi PAS is very focusing to implement "hudud" in this country. Fyi, "hudud" just for Muslim only not for non-muslim. So, why are you are so worrying about sth that's not impose to you... Weird
Let's us talk about China. Why are you not give your opinion about the gvrmnt of China was comitting g*n*c*de to Ughur muslim ethic.. Or, in India was commiting a harrasment towards muslum.. I think chinese snd indian in these country should be more grateful bcause the muslim doesn't doing these unmoral hings towards minority, indeed, Islam really prohibited it. Very sinsful in our religion to be bersikap zalum towards each others.
I’ll be more appreciative if you give your opinions to me in comprehensible English. Otherwise, content yourself with speaking to other people in the group because I won’t be responding to people I cannot understand and I also have things to make and I will not be dedicating time to discussions with limited value to me.
…Are not really needed in addressing the question of bread and butter issues, and even if you consider them to be relevant, their relevance does not outweigh the relevance of the body politic at large. I largely consider any attempt to gaslight people into having a problem that never existed in the same way that De Beers created valuable diamonds that never were intrinsically valuable or attempting to construct problems that are cover for the failure of specific communities to achieve things as deceptive, irrelevant in the long scheme of things, or doomed to fail in the face of competitions in the face of a capitalistic and competitive society.
Agree that religion should be kept separate from politics in a multicultural society... although can I say that the fact that you posted this video in such a tone and frankness sort of demonstrates the openness of Malaysia? No Singaporean would dare to publicly post such harsh and direct criticism of the powers-that-be (unless they're prepared to become pariahs in their own country).
Thank you for the kind words! I totally agree. Generally, I don't think Malaysia is that open of a society, but in my view, I'm in a unique position and somebody had to come out and start setting a new direction. I thought about it and I figured, why not me? It's a good start and I hope for it to grow - Thank you so much for the kind words, I hope that there will be a movement in the direction of a more robust democracy for both Singapore and Malaysia as we move forward in the days ahead, thank you for watching, and look forward to seeing you in my next videos!
@@VictorTantrue and to always stay constructive. It’s easy to fall down the rabbit hole and become negative or extreme when we are occupied with thinking about political matters and realize we have limited power to change things as ordinary citizens. Honestly there’s always something to be frustrated about when thinking about politics as the world will always be far from perfect with human beings xD Sometimes we have to remind ourselves to be grateful for what we have too and focus on improving our own lives/the world in whatever small way we can while maintaining our inner peace. I subscribed to your channel then as I thought you took quite an objective balanced view of matters with good research, while most ppl tend to be polarising or emotional (which is so easy due to content fed to us by algorithms on the internet which feed off and perpetuate our biases / skewed perspectives ). Cheers!
@@VictorTan Pritam is a disgrace! Why must he mention Christianity and drag another religion into the argument? Why couldn't he bring up Sikhism, a religion, I am sure he is more familiar with and which I believe is more militant (Khalistan)? Which Christian in parliament demand Singapore mix Christianity and politics? Pritam did not say anything enlightening as far as Singapore politics is concerned. He is just doing damage control to save himself from embarrassment for co-opting a "Taliban" like kind of minority into his GRC team!
Identify a successful country where religion and politics mix. At best its only going to work where everyone has the same religion and sect. Eventually they will also get into trouble because many modern day advances are not compatible with religion that was coded many centuries years ago. Anywhere ppl start having different ideas that challenge religion what are you going to do? Ban new knowledge or kill those with new ideas? There you go. Religion must be a matter between God and the person. At best the state comes in to assist on the infrastructure part, raise awareness of different religions, consider views of different believers etc. But the state ultimately comes first.
Nobody spoke to Islam. Someone spoke to a Muslim with his own values, it was affirmed that the Muslim may practice his own values in a personal capacity, and affirmed further and profoundly clearly that they were not allowed to have their values affect or impact a multiracial society because it is very clearly the case that your religious values may not affect society. If you're unhappy, reveal your face to ISD and explain yourself in person, live, in front of the entirety of Singaporean parliament. I am sure that they will be happy to hear your explanation :-)
Another thing. Are you proclaiming that you are THE sole representative of Islam? Would you like to say that directly to your Muslim friends so they can hear your fitnah directly? Perhaps you can then experience the discipline that you seem to be missing in your life, troll.
@@azrylabb495 YOU don’t know what is fitnah so stop yapping and know your place and understand clearly that people can be smarter than you and disagree with you and will tell you directly to your face that they are smarter than you, mean it directly, and have it be the truth whether you or your weak ego can take it or not. 😊 Come out and talk to people with your actual face instead of being a little coward and say you speak for all your religious brethren please. I’ll wait.
Victor is opposition to PAP. So everything PAP say or do is always wrong. Everyone knows Politics n Religion should never mixed. So I don't know why opposition want to mixed them together. What this this opposition MP want to do? He want Singapore to become like Lebanon or Syria? Victor, u want to be a Muslim? Then the Christians want a Christian state. The Buddhist want a Thailand out of Singapore. Crazy. Singapore is good. Stay this way. No religion in politics. Be fair n equal.
Oh, I am very much for PAP, and I’m very much not a Muslim. Also wow, love your conclusion jumping skills. Is it my fault that you just demonstrate a lack of comprehension hence you go out, abusing anonymity, and make accusations that you would never make in real life because you know people would sue you and you would lose and hence you only know how to be aggressive and a coward while you’re on the internet? Excuse my french. May I suggest that you go for rehabilitative treatment and also realize that I can immediately disable your comments from being seen on the internet and you can continue your rampant yapping alone unless you learn how to behave yourself? Sounds like you would be alone in real life anyway, so I’m sure you are good at that. 🤗
Ministers are influence by their own religious upbringing it is extremely difficult to separate. A better way is to restrict the terms of ministers to 2 terms most and need to rotate out.
Most religions have common values that of compassion, tolerance, charity for humanity. Unfortunately we can’t say the same for Islam it preaches all the same values but only towards believers non believers are 2nd class people. Refer to surah 3:151; surah 3:110; surah 9;29 ; surah 98:6 the taqiyya mentioned earlier is to lure ignorant people to convert. In M’sia they will punish apostates according to shariah law!!
Why use Msia's Muslim malpractices to explain your Spore position? There's not enough public dialogue nor discourse here rgds this. Arrogant Shammugan as usual, wanted to nail Manap, his values behind his faith stand. Even our politicians dont express it, keeping it at low profile.. Given the historical background of Spore's charged past on politics n religions, the Law stand strong.. Yet this is the 2020s, going forward.
It’s very clear Mr Shanmugam handled this matter very well and with soft gloves too. It’s unfair to say Mr Shanmugam was interrogating Manap. The WP Manap should be censored by his party to attempt to create disharmony in parliament using Islam as a religion when he knows it is political Islam he was referring to.
**Religion should be a form of intelligence n not a form of religious stupidity ** **The human being is a form of intelligence n Not a form of human n religious stupidity. Not all of us are born as human ,but many of us are born *human*in form only but in substance we are subhuman ** ***Without human stupidity ,lies ,humanism dies , Without religious stupidity ,lies , religion dies Without divine stupidity , lies God dies*** By Nanta ,Cosmic ) Natural Forces ,Universe ,Nature ,Universe
Just a small note on the recent interaction between myself and @philipmarcelo6119:
There is a discussion that we've been having on this thread that is related to a different matter relative to what Mr. Shanmugam and Mr. Manap discussed here.
You’ll find a little bit of that documented in a post that I left on the Community tab.
Link: ruclips.net/user/postUgkx7oyKkkGEb0xcvnVOBv4Jmu6rDCCPOrds?si=uMbh_623N7WB9T-1
I think that this is a matter of public interest for people who are in Singapore - in the same way that we agree that having religion play any part in policymaking is unacceptable, here is another question: Should people be hindered from practicing their values in politics? Mr. Marcelo certainly thinks so.
I leave it to you guys to decide what’s happening with him and his comments there 🤷🏻♂️
@@VictorTan oh dear all I wrote was if the politicians can’t keep their religion out of politics then they should stay out of politics. Politics does not restrict a potential candidate from practicing their religious beliefs. Personally I think it’s a good thing if his religious beliefs embraces and respects the beliefs of all their constituents.
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My comment was:
“But is it really fair to expect all politicians to change their personal values and stop being who they are just when they've been elected?”
Your response was:
“yes if you can't then stay out of politics!!”
People can read and I collect evidence, not hearsay, Mr. Marcelo, so please stop trying to defend yourself. 😊
Easy for people to see on the comments thread.
Do you know what’s easier for you to do at this point?
Make the apology that you have failed to make and demonstrate the manners that you did not possess when you arrived here.
This is your best option at this stage, and I recommend that you take it.
No religion should EVER be allowed to make and govern laws.
There is a bit of nuance to this!
As a credit to Mr. Manap, it’s true that when it comes to very specific matters involving religion, it’s good to involve subject matter experts who are involved in the religion.
As a matter of fact, one could also consider non-Muslim experts important in understanding the needs of the non-Muslim community; the problem here is, though, that Ngeh Koo Ham of the DAP tried proposing this once and was completely canceled for it - and the religious ones rejoiced and proceeded to call him a pariah for making that actually rather bright suggestion.
It is very easy to fall into the trap, target, or crosshairs of these people in Malaysia unless it’s possible to secure the narrative and ensure that they cannot twist things like these into an idea that someone is trying to destroy their religion when frankly, most people who are not of their religion want NOTHING to do with their religion apart from tolerating it, paying the occasional interfaith visit, understanding why they believe things while not being obligated to believe them, then hi bye.
@@VictorTan let me amend my statement then. No religion should ever govern the laws of a country. Ever.
@@Hugh-S
Yes. And there should be clear measures at hand to charge or neutralize the efforts of anyone who attempts to present non Muslim concerns as wholly anti Muslim or non-anything as anti-everything.
Malaysia needs politics and legislators that can effectively address the needs of ALL citizens, not just a couple of people who want to act smart and say that anything reasonable is against their interests.
@@Hugh-SSharia or any form of theocracy is the most barbaric system in contemporary world.
Singapore will not to add religion in politic.
@@jessjess5828
That’s how it should be - Malaysia should learn from this as well! 💯
@@VictorTan alahai ko ambik dr singapore apesal tk ambk filipina,thai,loas ,kemboja dn myammar??? habis brunei monarki dlm islam okay je??? yg heran singapore nikkei kritik ph 2018 ttp dap memang??? apesal singapore tk selesa bn kalah???
@@VictorTan too late already, now they even use their religion for racism
allah satukan kami, tolak icerd
@@VictorTan I'm sorry for you. You don't know Islam and you clearly don't know what you are saying. You should not impose your personal knowledge or preference on Islam or Malaysia.
Besieged mentality
religion is personal believe, politics is public.
Religion n Politics .must be kept separate .
Once religion is brought into public ,into policy,into govt ,trouble starts .
Should be separated as there are many religions that can affect and change the laws in politics therefore becoming bias to Its citizens.
Yes! In a country like Malaysia, I hope that they’ll enforce the 3R laws, and not stop there - that they’ll also make sure to take the steps necessary to identify and find the ones who want to use things like ‘nationalism’ or ‘race pride’ as an excuse to throw out racism against others whatever nation they come from 🙏
Mr. Faisal is all over the place. He contradict his own statement.
Did he really contradict his own statements? Do you have specific parts where you think he definitely did?
maybe im wrong ... but the other guy keeps on asking the same question just to get clarification ... his response at 0:32, 1:01 , 4:32 seems contradictory ...
Foxy as his fellows of faith
I think he didn’t do too badly all things considered! It’s fair to say that your values and what you hold dear are things that you can’t just take away because you are in politics - like, do you just stop being who you are or stop believing what you believe because you enter politics?
I think not, and I think that’s not fair to suggest that our representatives do at all.
Obviously if the rep were to use that faith in order to secure personal benefit by asking people to vote for them because they are Muslim or because it sways their view of policy formulation for the entire community, then there we have a problem.
With Malaysia the situation appears slightly different given how things have played out differently and arguably much worse according to a few metrics, but with a broader swathe of people who are similar to Mr Manap in terms of religious beliefs. In this situation then, should all people who are like that let their beliefs influence their policymaking though?
It appears that it might on the surface since now a larger portion of the population share in that faith, but in reality the answer is no, since the common stock of money in the country is the result of the joint efforts of all communities and if you are still following the concept of having a national treasury to serve national interests and the common denominators amongst the people - namely our wellbeing and standards of living, not anything else and certainly in no way wellbeing as determined by the emotional highs and lows perpetrated by charismatic preachers who will make eskimos purchase igloos and invest in volcanoes in Antarctica.
Makin rosak negara bila agama masuk campur politik.
boleh bagi bukti tak?? selama ni bn buat okay jea hnya islam tk cmpur urusan lain ttp dlm pas teruk dn juga dap
spot on ... as a member or parliament, you represent your community as a whole ... not only certain communities ...
malaysia is one of the best example
@Ahiman1700, I feel sorry for you. You don't know Islam and you clearly don't know what you are saying. You should not impose your personal knowledge or preference on Islam. Islam is a complete way of life, but you will know it if you study Islam with a neutral and fair mind.
@@azrylabb495 if islam is the complete way of life, how come the muslim in malaysia that believe in islam want to be racism on the minority, they also event the name of allah for keep racism
"allah satukan kami, tolak icerd"
you can search this work in google image and see is it real, after that go translate and see what it mean if you not not understand malay language
Religion and politics can’t mix because one is talking about the seen and the other is the unseen
unseen and imaginary, possibly false😅
As far as I’m Concerned, Religion should ABSOLUTELY be kept out of politics.
It’s a VERY Slippery slope if one or more Religions are allowed to dictate in a SECULAR SOCIETY what laws applies to who or what towards different communities.
As any individual in a Secular society, it gives them the opportunity to step back and REEVALUATE if a particular religion’s way of life is suitable for them without being legally and socially forced to comply.
If ruling party want to govern Singapore based solely on religious ground, i'm sure its continuity in Singaporean political theatre will be threaten in a foreseeable future. I am sure PAP leadership understand this very well.
I’m glad spore is able to openly discuss POLITICAL ISLAM to understand the devil in our midst.
Are you saying that non-Muslims are the devils?
Religion & Race issues should be keep separate from politic, Once you allowed this and tomorrow they will ask for more.. never ending. SG government must get rid of these radical.
The opposition parties in s'pore are simply third-world.😂😂
From 1st World Fake news anchor, Anziar..had your meds?😂
Let’s fear radicalisation
It’s great that you’re thinking about this!
Radicalization definitely is something to avoid - but is it something to fear, though? I think it’s something to deal with with specific strategies by starting to talk more to Malay people on a massive scale; I think that firstly, they are cool and it is good to do so, but secondly also that their help is needed when it comes to dealing with this.
Just think about how whenever there are contentious issues about anything related to the major faith/religion, say something that affects other communities, and then someone of that religion actually comes in and speaks against the majority.
You will see dozens, if not, hundreds of likes (if not dozens of angry reactions from people screaming that the people who spoke up are ‘barua bangsa’), because rather than it being a critique from someone, external, it is a realization from within and a pushback against all of the forces that that person faces in the world.
I don’t think that is unfair that an expression from someone like that would be more popular, though - in fact, I am happy to just be in the background; it really takes a lot more courage to speak out from within your own religion rather than what I may choose to do at any given point, and I think we should encourage that on a massive scale in our society in our individual conversations and lead it to a national scale discussion 🙏
Why cpib did not have any investigation in $88 million black and white property transaction , WHY ?
It over so long ago. They investigated n made conclusions already. Get over it. It all ended. Next....
@@JacksonWong-pw4zq stay on the topic about religion and politics if you got nothing to contribute observe and learn!!
@@zanlee5272 When was this ?
Politic and religion is like oil and water
Keep them apart it will better for the country
Why are some Muslim parents in Singapore sending their children to JB for muslim religious education? Do you mean Singapore can't provide?
Every religion has its belief and politics need to be rational if religious beliefs goes out of hand.
Dont mix religion with
Polictic
Wp
Religion should not come into politics particularly in a multi-religious society here as it would lead to clash of belief and interest.
For sure!
Should the parliament talk be held in a mosque , a chinese temple , an indian temple or a church ?
Who has the biggest say ?
Leave the religions out of politics when running a country because huge tax payers money are involved and to serve the common people must come first because we are all one singapore.
The building where the parliament talk is held must never have any religion shape and design.
That's why even UAE and Qatar are successful and develop country because they separated religion and politics... Period!
UAE dn Qatar bukan politik berdsrkan demokras ttp monarki???
@luqmanhaqimsuhaimi153 The majority will misuse religion to suppress the minority that's what happened in Malaysia regarding conversions....
@alantan9585 habis brunei okay jea...kalo tgk us dn uk amlkan agama christian maju juga...kalo tgk taliban pun sdh mmbngun negara compare dr badut us afghanstan
The only reason gulf states are rich is because of the oil and by large they still enforced religious law.
@ZenWaveFunction hello, alcohol, skimpy clothes ,parties etc allowed....
Support K. Shanmugam be our future president.
He was caught practicing taqiyyah in parliament.
@@jjfoo62
I’ve since learned a bit more about Taqiyyah - Taqiyyah as it’s practiced is mostly a Shiite ideology and therefore against most of the Sunni community in Malaysia and Singapore; idk if we would call lying taqiyyah in general - something to investigate 🤔
@@VictorTantaqyyiah is not only shite Muslim it’s all Muslims who follow the Koran Syrah 3:28 it’s says clearly believers are not to take non believers as friends and advisors. Therefore Muslims have to vote only Muslim candidates. It is haram to vote for non Muslims. I hope spore will not be like UK and Australia where the Muslim votes is causing the leaders to sell their souls for Muslim votes!! I believe our leaders are specially schooled in Islam that is why we left M’sia. I must emphasise Muslims are very good decent people like everyone else it’s Islam that sets them apart. Islam doesn’t encourage integration our revered deceased LKY once did say “if we can’t sit on the same table and have dinner….”. I hope WP will spend time looking into Islam more closely to understand what is wrong with Manap!!
In the US, it is called separation of church & state.
So US is your reference? Pathetic.
A simple question to answer as a MP in SINGAPORE. Why going round the bush?
because he was between a rock and hard place, rock is his faith, hard place is the country’s secularism
@@ngkamchuin4383 if you can’t answer simple questions then don’t bring up the topic!!
Religion should not be meddle with politics. Same as politics shouldn't meddle with religion. But pap actually meddle with religion..
I heard about this! I talk a lot about Singapore with my Singaporean friends, and there’s discussion about how they created interfaith councils that are used whenever controversial things like the water reservoir suicide incident.
Link: lizhen1379.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/blessing-at-bedok-reservoir-reliving-the-corpse-in-water-tank-incident/
But frankly, religion should not be hoodwinking or using our government, and individual actors should not be manipulating people in our country whether ministers deputy ministers or otherwise - the Malaysia case is clearly suboptimal.
If you want religion in politic, please go Malaysia. WP please be careful of this member. We don’t want our society to be like some country.
Oh, but people in Malaysia don't want them either though. It’s just a matter of making them take action, and you have an incentive to help us because it’s just outside your borders.
It's best for them if they can secede to a territory in the middle of nowhere and then run their little political game by themselves and they can celebrate in their leadership day in and day out 😭
Why do U cry foul when manap stating his values based on faith? We are diverse society..
Our Constitution guarantees freedom of religions worship n their practices.
It's the malpractices, cults, extremitism that's need be vigilant about and be exposed.
This man is confused...pray at home, go look after citizens outside..😂😂😂😂😂
The best way for the good of the country or the world is the country come first for the best of the country future. As religions are one faith in believers and keep it to itself and the god you worship. So it should be separate to have problems in the country future. Religion was God blessing to who that believes in their God. So a country once have religion and politics together, than one will say his religion believe, and others too will says their religion say these. So in the end religion will cause misunderstanding among the citizens. Very religions as they own ways of teaching, no all will follow the other religion ways.
Love and agree 100% agree. Sadly, none of Muslims dare to say that because in their mind, it is sin to criticise own faith even though it seems so wrong😢 Honestly, it is selfish and posessive. 😅😅
If you are God fearing person, you shouldn't let God-fearing being to handle God's commandant other than itself.
I prefer compassionate GOD.
Pritam Singh, don't bring Christianity into the argument. Why single out Christianity? He could have mention Sikhism, a religion, I am sure he is more familiar with. The argument between Mr Manap and the Minister is about a particular religion. Mr Singh, if you are doing damage control, don't bring up other people's religion as an example. What a disgrace!
@@AndrewYeo-si7hj
He’s clearly using Christianity as a clearly understandable example.
Let me tell you and all of you out there straight up that I think fundamentalist Christians and people who are too sensitive about Christianity are no better than Muslims or Buddhists who are the same 🙏
@@VictorTan can you first confirm if you are a Muslim convert !!
@@philipmarcelo6119
I am not a Muslim convert and frankly, whether I am a Muslim convert or not is none of your business.
Understand that you are overstepping your boundaries, Mr. Marcelo. Have you considered learning the manners that you seem not to have learned from your parents, or did your upbringing throughout life impede you from that? 🤗
@ I need to have a clear understanding of who I am dealing with. Your response to me clearly demonstrates that what you accuse me of is exactly what you yourself are was I rude to you? Are you being rude to me? Our exchanges will only distract others from the main Topic so please don’t change the topic by making personal attacks on me. It truly reflects badly on you. Should Religion be involved in Politics don’t bring in M’sia politics or other religions too.
Religion should not be exploited in politics. We have better mission to make Singapore maintain its sovereignty
This Mat would not hesitate to introduce religious fanatism into Singapore politics. Looking around , isnt the answer very obvious! Just a few days ago, Iran's religious govt has made it a capital offence not to wear headress . Worst, ut is deemed a criminal offence for women to defend themselves against sexual harassment.
How would Victor Tan be a muslim? This is a mystery to me. I do question his motive. Pritnam Singh answered beautifully. Religion governs all aspects of personal life of a believer but when the religion goes into imposing it's values on other faiths, it has crossed the line of what it should.
He’s not. He also would be very happy if Pritam and Shanmugam were in Malaysia and every single MP in Malaysia advocating for any form of religious overreach would be removed from parliament 😊
Then why politicians are seen at religion events ?
Totally should be separated especially in Malaysia, any government governing a multi religious country should treat any race community must be treated fairly, equal rights no restrictions in personal practices
@@harmanmann4938
We would wish - but will the people reading this implement or bring us one step closer each day to achieving that goal? 😭
@@VictorTan As long as the mass were ingrained/indoctrinated, it will be hard to reform society.
This is a Muslim-majority country. The majority should rule, after all Islam is just.
The question is does the practice of religion contribute to the common good? What does allowing of wearing tudung in hospitals contribute?
of late, especially near to Christmas celebration time, quite a number of political MP s and aduns had been visiting churches, Chinese temples and spiritual organisations, well that's for obvious reasons known only to themselves.
I think the question the MP posed is not detailed enough to be answered.
It is an question that cannot be answered .
I think religions and politics are interlinked in such a way that sometimes they should be separated and sometimes they could work hand in hand , but not all the times.
For instance, religious prople shpuld not be involved in politics but yet these grouos of people should have their rights to choose their own paths as their main roles, identities , values and objectives in life vary.
Just my personal opinions.
Moreover religions should be clearly defined before further argument is to be continued.
They are not normal SME nor working groups whereby they earn money like the rich .
Another thing is religious groups have their own systems of rules and precepts but these should definitely not breaking the social basic ethnics like bribing , sexual misconduct, money laundering, no matter what the religious groups practice and they should not be allowed to registered as recognized religious groups since they cannot even follow the basic rules of the society or country.
Lastly, the founder and any mentors or important supporters should not be making up their fake stories on any social media as an indirect means of attracting large numbers of follors for financial support as this is form of cheating as well as breaking the social rules of honesty and should not be trusted and should not be allowed as recognized religious groups.
Absolutely! 👍
Religion should not be in politics. It will be chaotic as Singapore is a multiracial country. We can see what is happening in Europe. We should respect and live in harmony.This is what we have been reciting in our country pledge.
@@indirakrishnan4496 God bless Singapore, and God bless Malaysia!
Which God is a matter of debate to those with lesser minds and looser alignment with realities that stand apart from deception, but to each their own and unto their own divinity 🤗
Religion must always be separated from politics as there's no one religion that applies to all people! Don't let the insidious fingers of religious people to poke their fingers into our politics in the name of "good"!
In the name of God
@cywong9101 om shanti
Does this means opposition party will involve religion into their polictics if they ever become a ruling party? I hope PAP will continue to rule until I die. After that I don't care who rules Singapore.
Sure it can rule. You’d just be one of the low tier followers though, I’m sure? Congratulations on your accident of birth. Given your reasoning skills though, I’m not sure if you have very much else to be proud of apart from being evidence that there are some people from Singapore who will casually bring down the average while throwing out accusations as if they haven’t even been through primary school. 🙃
Frankly, the Important question should be:
In the real world Today, are Politics and Religion - Separate?
I Hope they are but I wonder…….
They are not, and that should change.
Isam is a way of life
Christian is a way of life
Buddhist is a way of life
Become rojak
And take secularism as your your religion and constitution as the commandments?
And... this is why we have not consider a Malaya PM... Does he want to make Singapore a Muslim country or something?
We know the answer after Grifters using it for the "tool"
@@Marcustzb
The question is, how to make them stop using it as a tool? I think the current 3R laws are a good start - it would be good if anyone reading this knows how to use other methods to make sure it doesn’t get manipulated as well though!
Never ride on religion and race into politics, Malaysia political party are based on race and religion than malaysia are multi cultural culture and race .
An interesting thing about this is that whenever there has been an attempt to call for a multicultural moment, what has often happened in Malaysian society is that the result has been Chinese dominated, partly because of the racial focus of the other parties, which makes it so that they become Malay dominated because they refuse to be a part of parties like the DAP.
Unfortunately, it is often interpreted the other way when people look at the Chinese dominated (but definitely approaching multicultural) nature of the DAP, and immediately assume it was chauvinist from the start and had always wanted to exclude the Malays - which was not true, and reflects a massive and national scale misunderstanding, or willful choice to deceive the public that completely flips the order of events.
It is not that something like DAP is racist and hence it is dominated by another race - it is that racist political parties want to keep people subservient to them and hence they preach lies to their members and claim they are fighting for race and religion and that the multiculturalism that is Malaysia’s true nature is anathema to their existence and hence they must oppose it - this they call ‘justice’ even as they orchestrate their grand deception.
Presenting what is multicultural or pushes for it as ‘dominated by an enemy race’ or ‘communist’ is part of the tactic of Malaysia’s national adversaries - the race and religion grifters - and unfortunately it can result in tangible results (Chinese dominated composition in DAP, Malays close ranks and only join others) which allow the grifters to claim that their opponents themselves are racists…!
@VictorTan when one politic is based on religion and race , the chinese are make into a enemy to their race and religion, very dangerous politics , the malays make up 60 percent of the population, how could the malays lose power to the chinese and the prime minister should always be a malays in our constitution? The malays political party break up into 5 fraction division political party, so race and religion is popular to wins votes among the malays . The leadership of malays use malays to cheat malays to win votes to gain power . Malaysia cannot separate religion and race from politic , one fine day in the future , the religion becomes the king over politic .
Which religion are we suppose to use in a multi racial country.?
alahai yg heran apesal islamik kena bubar dn dihapuskan??? conth jakim dn syriah islam di msia ?
NONE . see Enlightment by John Locke.
What a stupid and silly question? Plse value your freedom of worship and the state is not governed by any religious doctrine. No religion can and should claim special privileges!!
It depends on where you are living. In Malaysia, it is Islam.
Politics n religion must be separate
Please Do Not Stress Our
Ministers. Thanks.
Manap is running away from the question
U speak sooo well. Kilat video with lots of facts.
Thank you so much for the kind words and for listening till the end! 😭
It made me very happy to read this, and look forward to seeing you in my next videos!
@@VictorTan welcome Abang. U speak so well. Like trained in London etc. Ekkeke. Kilat U play violin ??? Guitar?? Power
Oh dear!
Haha yes and cello! Thank you so much! ☺️
wow so many views here with very little kindness
Don't bring religion into politics in Singapore!!!!...the death in Muslim countries at the moment (fighting for religion) including the genocide is a terrible mistake!!!!!
We should not discuss this in this century.WE are stepping into 2026.We did not hve these nosenses in the early yrs.
Religion has been around for thousands of years though. Sure you’re not missing something? 🤭
I agree we shouldn’t discuss religion that’s our privilege and we are by the constitution have the freedom to worship. We should discuss POLITICAL ISLAM it is storming the world and causing havoc and if we are not alert it will soon be in our country too.
Why mix up the simple question. Religion (agama)jangan campur aduk dlm politik utk menjaga kesucian dan intergriti drp tercemar
is it compulsory for muslim to follows Christian's rules and regulations? OR, is it compulsory for christian to follows muslim's rules and regulations? what do you think? what kind of logic is that, if we are asking others who are embracing different religion to follow our religion's rules and regulation, unless they are converted to my religion? for the religious fanatics, think twice before you gives your statement, don't shows your ignorant....
sharia in singapore will be crazy
This Manap is saying something Dangerous, and in poor English.
@@W-Sfire7000
But is it really fair to expect all politicians to change their personal values and stop being who they are just when they’ve been elected?
@VictorTan Of course not, but this group (Muslims),I believe anyway (PO), is the only EXCEPTION, worldwide, from what I've seen read and experienced of their social/public manuverings? - their casual USING of politics/public services (once they feel settled enough) to surreptitiously SNEAK IN their Islamic Way of Life - To TRY to slowly impose it on others via Stealth (slow but sure). They are actually OBLIGED to do so according to their Faith , isn't that Creepy Deepy Scary? I said IMPOSE not Convert like other Faith's dynamics. This faith is out to DOMINATE and their best tool is GOVT's ,not Banks, or money street. But the seat of Power they after, not altar of Gold. For that expressed purpose. Not saying Manap is a classic case (I'm under Aljunied by the way) but the way he answers the good Minister's very calibrated re-questioning has shown up few rather errr disconcerting/hair standing giveaways/nuances, should I say?ie: the (way) he said he is a Muslim, not the fact he said hint hin. After watching this Vid I have reservations over whole WP selection. And with Pritam in dock now, I give up. But I'm neither PAP fan too, they piss me off on many public services fronts, but when they talk, they make sense, clear and good English. Unlike nasi lemak Manap
@@VictorTan yes if you can’t then stay out of politics!!
@@philipmarcelo6119
It looks like you have some sort of problem with people having any form of personal values. It’s nice that you are a soulless person, but I suggest you stop trying to impose your standards on other people 🤗
@ you are a typical trouble maker when they can’t give an honest answer they change the subject by making derogatory remarks about anyone who challenges them. Answer the question honestly and don’t change the subject fool!!
Parti PAS adalh bukti kenapa agama dengan poltitik tidak boleh campur.
Keep religion in the place of worship, then this troubled world will be a better place. When you are sick, you look for professional doctors.when you need housing, you look for architects and construction companies. So keep whatever religion in the place of worship.Dont disturb others rights..
Malaysia is example
Practice your religion privately...but don't bring into politics!!!!???
Agree
You cannot separate religion & politics bec for Muslims the way of life, involves to a certain extent, politics. Some policies made contradict with the way of life for Muslims.
I remember you, by the way.
I expect you to be respectful this time if you want to have a conversation. 😊
I will assume that you are in agreement with having non Muslim experts identify where policies don’t work with Muslims and also Muslim experts to work with non Muslim experts to ensure that legislative agendas do not collide and will generally serve ALL Malaysians, not specific groups. 😊
That’s a proper step forward, yes?
IN SECULAR COUNTRIES RELIGION CAN BE KEPT WITH CORERCION IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES THEY POLICAL ISLAM. IT IS EMBEDED WITH POLITIC.
@@janarthnamvelu6067
I really cannot understand your comments and I suspect most people cannot either, and even as I would love the chance to engage with my audience, I am unable to do so if you do not write in a legible way or think through what you actually want to say.
Please rewrite if you actually want to take part in a discussion.
IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE .IN SECULAR COUNTRIES LIKE SPORE RELION IS KEPT OUT.WHERE ELSE MUSLIM COUNTRIES RELIGION IS EVERY ASPECT FINANCE EDUCATION JUDICIARY.GOT IT.
Yes.. it must be separate ❤❤❤ but unfortunaly party pas in our conutry in Malaysia almost everyday using name of allah to gain more political milages for thier own benefits dan try to brainwash thier suppoters or folliwers in every dirty movements without limits.. sorry for my broken english.. 😁😁😁
Terima kasih and thank you for commenting even though your English is not the best yet, and good luck in developing the skill!
We are so lucky that you are not out there saying that you are not British as an excuse for not learning! 😭
Do not make a statement that only makes you look stupid.
Can you list which MP from PAS who are committing in corruption case????????????
You must able to differentiate between Muslim PAS and BN,PH,PKR
Fyi PAS is very focusing to implement "hudud" in this country. Fyi, "hudud" just for Muslim only not for non-muslim. So, why are you are so worrying about sth that's not impose to you... Weird
Let's us talk about China. Why are you not give your opinion about the gvrmnt of China was comitting g*n*c*de to Ughur muslim ethic.. Or, in India was commiting a harrasment towards muslum.. I think chinese snd indian in these country should be more grateful bcause the muslim doesn't doing these unmoral hings towards minority, indeed, Islam really prohibited it. Very sinsful in our religion to be bersikap zalum towards each others.
I’ll be more appreciative if you give your opinions to me in comprehensible English. Otherwise, content yourself with speaking to other people in the group because I won’t be responding to people I cannot understand and I also have things to make and I will not be dedicating time to discussions with limited value to me.
@@Open-minded-o7gyou know what you wrote is not true friend. Historically as well as recently.!!
INTERTWINED ….
Context and Identity
…Are not really needed in addressing the question of bread and butter issues, and even if you consider them to be relevant, their relevance does not outweigh the relevance of the body politic at large.
I largely consider any attempt to gaslight people into having a problem that never existed in the same way that De Beers created valuable diamonds that never were intrinsically valuable or attempting to construct problems that are cover for the failure of specific communities to achieve things as deceptive, irrelevant in the long scheme of things, or doomed to fail in the face of competitions in the face of a capitalistic and competitive society.
😂😂 why of life,,,,my father and mother is the way of life without then I'm nothing
14 years ago = ...
2024 = circus = NOoooooooo = boring TV yes
very civil session. imagine if Pee-End is here
I think they’d be screaming “TARIK BALIK!!!” straight away and then next thing you know SCDF will be there and it’ll be a diplomatic incident 😂
@@VictorTan aku tk sokong PN krn bengap ttp ape mengena kalo demokrasi itu hak orng kan???
@@luqmanhaqimsuhaimi153 dia maksudkn klo PN ada dlm dewan Singapore tu.
@MountTalk468 oo okay , ttp pn dn ph paling teruk
@@luqmanhaqimsuhaimi153 Aduh, kedua-dua pun koyak? Camne ni? 😂😂😂😂😂
Agree that religion should be kept separate from politics in a multicultural society... although can I say that the fact that you posted this video in such a tone and frankness sort of demonstrates the openness of Malaysia? No Singaporean would dare to publicly post such harsh and direct criticism of the powers-that-be (unless they're prepared to become pariahs in their own country).
Thank you for the kind words! I totally agree.
Generally, I don't think Malaysia is that open of a society, but in my view, I'm in a unique position and somebody had to come out and start setting a new direction. I thought about it and I figured, why not me?
It's a good start and I hope for it to grow - Thank you so much for the kind words, I hope that there will be a movement in the direction of a more robust democracy for both Singapore and Malaysia as we move forward in the days ahead, thank you for watching, and look forward to seeing you in my next videos!
@@VictorTantrue and to always stay constructive. It’s easy to fall down the rabbit hole and become negative or extreme when we are occupied with thinking about political matters and realize we have limited power to change things as ordinary citizens. Honestly there’s always something to be frustrated about when thinking about politics as the world will always be far from perfect with human beings xD Sometimes we have to remind ourselves to be grateful for what we have too and focus on improving our own lives/the world in whatever small way we can while maintaining our inner peace. I subscribed to your channel then as I thought you took quite an objective balanced view of matters with good research, while most ppl tend to be polarising or emotional (which is so easy due to content fed to us by algorithms on the internet which feed off and perpetuate our biases / skewed perspectives ). Cheers!
@@jbrkjferkjbekjb Thank you so much for the support! 🙏 I will do my best!
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Typical of the circling n did not know how to explain....but he doesn't way the pointed out but indeed he wanted it .
Pritam did a good job of helping WP out in the end!
@@VictorTan Pritam is a disgrace! Why must he mention Christianity and drag another religion into the argument? Why couldn't he bring up Sikhism, a religion, I am sure he is more familiar with and which I believe is more militant (Khalistan)? Which Christian in parliament demand Singapore mix Christianity and politics? Pritam did not say anything enlightening as far as Singapore politics is concerned. He is just doing damage control to save himself from embarrassment for co-opting a "Taliban" like kind of minority into his GRC team!
Identify a successful country where religion and politics mix. At best its only going to work where everyone has the same religion and sect. Eventually they will also get into trouble because many modern day advances are not compatible with religion that was coded many centuries years ago. Anywhere ppl start having different ideas that challenge religion what are you going to do? Ban new knowledge or kill those with new ideas? There you go.
Religion must be a matter between God and the person.
At best the state comes in to assist on the infrastructure part, raise awareness of different religions, consider views of different believers etc. But the state ultimately comes first.
None exists.
Thanks for your comment - lots to think about there! 👍
You may say that to any other religion BUT not to Islam. You clearly do not know Islam.
Nobody spoke to Islam. Someone spoke to a Muslim with his own values, it was affirmed that the Muslim may practice his own values in a personal capacity, and affirmed further and profoundly clearly that they were not allowed to have their values affect or impact a multiracial society because it is very clearly the case that your religious values may not affect society.
If you're unhappy, reveal your face to ISD and explain yourself in person, live, in front of the entirety of Singaporean parliament.
I am sure that they will be happy to hear your explanation :-)
Another thing.
Are you proclaiming that you are THE sole representative of Islam?
Would you like to say that directly to your Muslim friends so they can hear your fitnah directly?
Perhaps you can then experience the discipline that you seem to be missing in your life, troll.
@@VictorTan , you don't know what is "fitnah". Do not make fool of yourself
@@azrylabb495 YOU don’t know what is fitnah so stop yapping and know your place and understand clearly that people can be smarter than you and disagree with you and will tell you directly to your face that they are smarter than you, mean it directly, and have it be the truth whether you or your weak ego can take it or not. 😊
Come out and talk to people with your actual face instead of being a little coward and say you speak for all your religious brethren please. I’ll wait.
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Victor is opposition to PAP. So everything PAP say or do is always wrong.
Everyone knows Politics n Religion should never mixed. So I don't know why opposition want to mixed them together. What this this opposition MP want to do? He want Singapore to become like Lebanon or Syria?
Victor, u want to be a Muslim?
Then the Christians want a Christian state. The Buddhist want a Thailand out of Singapore. Crazy.
Singapore is good. Stay this way. No religion in politics. Be fair n equal.
Oh, I am very much for PAP, and I’m very much not a Muslim.
Also wow, love your conclusion jumping skills.
Is it my fault that you just demonstrate a lack of comprehension hence you go out, abusing anonymity, and make accusations that you would never make in real life because you know people would sue you and you would lose and hence you only know how to be aggressive and a coward while you’re on the internet? Excuse my french.
May I suggest that you go for rehabilitative treatment and also realize that I can immediately disable your comments from being seen on the internet and you can continue your rampant yapping alone unless you learn how to behave yourself?
Sounds like you would be alone in real life anyway, so I’m sure you are good at that. 🤗
Ministers are influence by their own religious upbringing it is extremely difficult to separate. A better way is to restrict the terms of ministers to 2 terms most and need to rotate out.
Most religions have common values that of compassion, tolerance, charity for humanity. Unfortunately we can’t say the same for Islam it preaches all the same values but only towards believers non believers are 2nd class people. Refer to surah 3:151; surah 3:110; surah 9;29 ; surah 98:6
the taqiyya mentioned earlier is to lure ignorant people to convert. In M’sia they will punish apostates according to shariah law!!
Why use Msia's Muslim malpractices to explain your Spore position?
There's not enough public dialogue nor discourse here rgds this.
Arrogant Shammugan as usual, wanted to nail Manap, his values behind his faith stand.
Even our politicians dont express it, keeping it at low profile..
Given the historical background of Spore's charged past on politics n religions, the Law stand strong..
Yet this is the 2020s, going forward.
It’s very clear Mr Shanmugam handled this matter very well and with soft gloves too. It’s unfair to say Mr Shanmugam was interrogating Manap. The WP Manap should be censored by his party to attempt to create disharmony in parliament using Islam as a religion when he knows it is political Islam he was referring to.
Look at the at Rome in the midevil what happened? Religion can never be in any politics
Look at US
Yes of course
**Religion should be a form of intelligence n not a form of religious stupidity **
**The human being is a form of intelligence n Not a form of human n religious stupidity. Not all of us are born as human ,but many of us are born *human*in form only but in substance we are subhuman **
***Without human stupidity ,lies ,humanism dies ,
Without religious stupidity ,lies ,
religion dies
Without divine stupidity , lies
God dies***
By Nanta ,Cosmic ) Natural Forces ,Universe ,Nature ,Universe
U are out context, stay in the cosmic atmosphere, alien..
Problem you allow head scarf 🧣 in Public political office! So they would
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