Damn this LT is so lit lmao. Experienced 3 different uniforms. Has so much prior experience. These are the LT's that we need in the military. The ones that have the experience and intelligence from being in for so long and sharing past experiences to further educate mentors and peers. You shouldn't need just a degree in order to come in as an officer. Best of luck in your career sir. Thank you for the video
bprodigy25 Thanks for all that, man. It’s been an interesting 14 years, to say the least. You mention 3 uniforms, how about 3 presidents? LOL I do know my biggest shortcoming is I don’t think I’m like how I am in this video as much as I should be at the shop with my Airmen-you know, helpful and sharing experiences. I never figured out how to best approach them now that I’m both new to them and new to being an O. I know it’s not too late, though.
I know how you feel man. I was in the army and when we switched from UCP to OCP it was awesome. It really does have more of a "military" look to it. The army's UCP and air force's ABU tiger stripe pattern never should have been approved in the first place.
Jared Davies I’ll never forget reading on the web site of the contractor that designed the ABU pattern how embarrassed they were that of all the patterns they developed, the least tactical of them all was adopted by the AF.
Eh, the ABU wasn’t absolutely horrid. This is one million times superior however. Tiger stripe with different colors would have worked but the OCP being a play in the most effective camo we ever used (m81) makes me like it even more. During a sim exercise, opfor was wearing OCP and we were wearing M81. Not only did FF happen because they’re such similar patterns, but I have to say, in all, it’s the most effective at breaking up the human body at distances. There were moments we literally couldn’t see people only meters from us, firing right at us. Pics up close from the event had our arms blending into the woodland surrounding MOUT
Prior enlisted now commissioned. I always have respect for you guys. I’m hopefully heading that route. Thank you sir, down to earth, straight forward with facts. I wouldn’t expect less! Take care
You can salute whoever you want, anytime you want. There is no reg saying otherwise. You'll never see a chief blush more than a salute even when you see their rank :)
Thanks a bunch for making this video along with your other two most recent ones! I'm part of class 19-05 heading to OTS in March and being non-prior will be making all my uniform purchases from now until I leave. I'll definitely be referring back to your videos when the time gets closer to ensure I've got everything together as it should be!
I joined the AF in 1977 and at that time we were wearing the 100% cotton utility uniforms with the blue & white name tags and chevrons along with the colorful MAJCOM patches that were sewn on our shirt pockets along with the blue & white "missiles badge" or "combat crew badge" that certain career fields awarded after serving. The 100% cotton utility uniforms were very comfortable and they were cool in the summer and warm in the winter. We also were wearing the soon to be phased out khaki uniforms or "1505's" which they were commonly called. I served for 20 years and retired. As far as I'm concern the air force should go back to the uniforms that I wore in 1977. The air force is not considered a ground combat unit and wearing these hideous OCP's or ABU uniforms are to be worn only by the marines and the army since they are a ground combat unit. A lot of ex-AF vets agreed with me in the past since they also wore they same uniform that I wore.
Hey Lt, I've been in since 1984, loved the woodland camo, hated the ABU tiger stripe nonsense, and love my OCP! Good news, you can wear the flag your mom gave you till 01 June 2020! "Current subdued black and green (cloth) U.S. flags may be worn until 1 June 2020, then spice brown will be the only accepted version" - AFI 36-2903, 28 Sep 2018. Enjoy your officer career, I'm enjoying it now, but still feel like an NCO!
LT, what about the pants are they required to be draw string or like yours? ive seen guys with both.. i know a troop who has a set of proppers that look exactly like yours but the standard issue have draw string and have buttons with no draw string. any rhyme or reason. thanks LT
Those are some nice boots. Here in Army basic at Fort Jackson, I see all the drill sergeants wearing those, but us trainees get the standard issue boots that aren’t amazing.
I always liked how the AF had ranks on collars or sleeves. Made saluting easy when I ran into AF personnel. With the giant Velcro on the shoulders I don’t see how the AF can’t do something similar. You’re right when you make the point that identifying ranks will be difficult with that brown color. Good luck with that. Don’t see why you couldn’t wear the normal flag while in garrison like we did.
Lt; any info or direction on rolling up the sleeves on the OCP blouse? According to the AFI, you can roll them, but I have yet to see an example of “how” to properly do this
The current OCP looks very good and seems to be a cool evolution from the wood land pattern. Hope they keep it long enough. There is really no point keep making changes every few years if a given pattern is proven to be truly useful but I am glad they have been moving away from those digital patterns foolishness, i.e. digital patterns have no relationship with camo effect.
I think the changes to the OCP were a necessity. The army and AF were getting guys/gals killed because their stupid former patterns (made to look more cool than to actually work) were getting people killed.
Also, if you want to save some dough, you can reuse your subdued/green/sage patches if you soak them in bleach for a couple/few days, the colors change and it works for OCP...just be careful and monitor them regularly as different bleaches change the colors at different rates. Also, not all patches/colors will turn the correct colors. Try at your own risk.
Just started wearing OCPs and a fellow NCO told me that my sand tee is not allowed with coyote brown boots. Said I have to have matching shirts and boots. I looked everywhere in the AFI but I can't find where is says that. Am I allowed to mix and match?
Alexander Hutchinson There is nothing regarding shirts and boots having to match in the AFI. Coyote brown boots are the only authorized boot and the sand tee is, FOR NOW, an acceptable color next to tan and CB. I say “for now” because the sand and tan-color tee will no longer be authorized June 1, 2020. 36-2903, para. 5.5.
Hey, great vid, LT! i'm currently active enlisted AF, got issued these a few months ago. We got pretty much the same info that you're listing off, but the rules of wearing it are more open to variations. Such as: Flag-- (subdued colors) cloth or infrared; Belt-- OCP, tan 499, black, or sand (abu); Socks-- green, tan, white, black. I enjoy listening to you explain the proper wear of the uniform as it is being adopted. Having such a great public speaking talent, you should make many more videos!
My only gripe is that if you are in an MOS that requires you to actually do work or be engaged physically (think PJ, CCT, TACP, etc.), the velcro patches are lost too damn easy. They DO NOT stay on worth shit. I lost a lot of patches so I now sew everything on...I recommend sewing everything from the get go. The money you think you save by not having to sew stuff on is negated by the costly patch replacement. Velcro pockets are also a no go...too loud.
Great video and humor. I appreciate you clarify things. Question: OCP or 'Scorpian' OCP? Currently serving and confused AF about on-line OCP options until they come to my base … Thanks.
Scorpion is the code name for the pattern. The uniform is referred to as OCP for now. It could become Airman something-something Uniform in the future, but concerning shopping online for rank or nametapes, most places seem to be using OCP.
Great video just retired from the army and had transitioned into this uniform. Had bdu... acu and the ocp is a good uniform. Although the bdu was awesome when sleeves were rolled up.
Great video, thank you! I commission in May and am thinking of purchasing full-priced OCPs instead of buying half-priced ABUs that I'll need to replace in a few years. This video cleared up a lot of my questions (especially about sewing on patches). Quick question: is there a button-up blouse or is the zipper the only choice?
Actually Sir. Effective 2020 you are requiered to wear either the coyote brown or the tan 499 T. But one this i am having trouble figuring out is the left pocket patch. I was told the afcent patch goes there as well as functional patches. Is the afcent patch a functional patch?
Hey LT, I have been looking online and the only ones I have found that are available to purchase now are the Multicam ACU uniforms, are they the same as the OCP's? Or does the army have a slightly different variant? I asked my shirt and he has no clue. Thank you!
From what I understand, there is no difference. The Air Force is adopting the Army’s uniform pattern, so what they wear is what we will wear. I’ve looked around too and am sure I would punch it on us-patriot-tactical if I didn’t already have mixed feelings about Propper and their ABUs. Scorpion is lighter than Multicam with small to medium-size splotches. These look legit: uspatriottactical.com/multicam-scorpion-uniforms/
Actually there is a difference. What is available commercially is OCP Multicam - and is authorized for USAF wear; however, the new OCP is Scorpion W2 - they are slightly different. Here's a good breakdown vid of the differences - ruclips.net/video/wPgCcXhYmc4/видео.html
@@Retired_LT why did you have mixed feelings about propper? It seems they're the only ones making ocps. I found them both on kellac and us patriot tactical. Idk which to get even though they're the same brand. I'm security forces and about to make my first purchase for them
Prepare to read a bit: It was a lot shorter for me than most. I submitted my paperwork to the June 2017 board after spending all of May and a little of April gathering required paperwork and meeting with CCs. Results were published in Sep 2017 and I was slated to ship out, so to speak, Sep of this year. OTS was apparently backed up a full year! However, my wife and I became pregnant in Oct, so when Dec rolled past and we were in the clear with viability and what not, I contacted Officer Accessions at Randolph AFB and just asked if there were any slots open sooner than Sep because we were due in July. Much rather get OTS outta the way, miss part of the pregnancy, than bounce and leave the wife with a 5 week old. Turned out there was an opening in the April 2018 class, so I was attending and graduating OTS one year from when I first began the prices and uploaded my application pack. A friend of mine that was picked up waited a whole lot longer because the board pushed results back nearly 8 months-for whatever reason. He applied around June 2016, results were due that Sep, but were pushed to May 2017! He eventually left Jan 2018. Clearly, results may vary.
Officer Mitchell - great video on the Air Force’s new OCP. I’m currently in the process of commissioning with U.S.A.F. to become an aviator from Harvard (civilian), but I absolutely HATE the ugly OCP. They are much better than the old ABU, hands-down. But the whole color palette and design of the camouflage is unappealing. I’m also commissioning with the U.S. Marine Corps as an aviator. Just took both the ASTB-E and AFOQT (USAF). Now working on PT scores. But the USMC’s digitalized uniform is just outstanding. Why did the Air Force not follow the Marine Corps’ example? The digital pattern is light-years ahead of the other ugly patterns out there. [Putting] the other myriad of factors aside, uniforms will be a deciding factor if I am approved by both Boards. This video helped.
Leave it to the AF to mess up a good thing. No IR flags. No Ranger rolling sleeves. Now I hear the uniforms being tested is thick as a cardboard box and doesn’t breathe. I haven’t seen it but I can it wouldn’t surprise me. The regs were a lot more chill when it was only AFSOC rocking them.
2903 wasn't completely updated...anything OCP is only a guidance memorandum. It'll be jacked up for a while, just like the ABU roll-out. I remember my first pair of ABUs were pink and blue hued. And the flag can be basically any reverse embroidered spice brown criteria US flag. Even the one with the OCP background (literally spice brown stripes over an OCP background with whatever cream# is in the criteria on the border) follows the GM...which is what I was issued a long while ago, and will wear until official AFI is rolled out.
I have to respectfully disagree. The front page of the GM says it “immediately changes” the AFI. You’re correct-the AFI will be continually reviewed and revised, but the AFI accessible via AFPC’s site is the rule of the land.
Uniformity is Key and the day I'll see it is coming sooner than I thought. First it was the Navy adopting a OCP Colored Duty Uniform now you guys? Awesome
Hey Lt. thanks for the help just got my first pair of ocp's since we only get them if we deploy but one quick question would your cap still go in your cargo pocket like the abu's or would it mess up your cap?
Former army guy here..... joining the Air Force here shortly, for TACP. What about badges? Do my CIB, Airborne, etc go on in brown or black?? Thanks the informative video LT
The current guidance states that "Airmen may wear other services' qualification badges, if earned and awarded, i.e. Ranger tab, Air Assault or Pathfinder. Award criteria for other services’ qualification badges will be in accordance with the awarding service’s directives. Sister service and joint badges can be worn in their current color configuration and will not be converted to the spice brown color criteria." That being said, the jump wings are an AF qual as well, so they can be spice. Sounds ridiculous if you ask me... Spice occupational badge/wings and a black AASLT or PF badge? 🤨 www.afpc.af.mil/Career-Management/Dress-and-Appearance/
It would be cool on the same video on the ABU for us collectors. I know it gets a bad rap but as a lover of tiger stripe the ABU has to be the coolest pattern of any U.S. camouflage pattern ever issued. Could been really cool in a different color 😢 Actually it would be cool for BDU DCU I dont think anyone is doing those videos. Thanks for sharing this knowledge.
I'm rocking my tan boots from my Army ACU's. Paid $350 when they were a brand new type in 2010 at KAF. Until 01June2020. Switched branches, the Air Force is a much better branch and it's the same pay and benefits!
Is there any guidance for the size of the rank on the cap? Been researching for a couple days and I don't see anything mentioning dimensions. I've only seen the "centered 1/2 in above visor".
So Damn Glad That USAF Finally Hard Rocks A Real Battle Dress Uniform Notwithstanding The Current Reference To Organizational Camouflage Pattern ( OCP) . P.S. All Of My CONDOR ® MULTICAM ® Tactical Ball Caps Hard Rock The " Spice Brown" Name Tape Purchased From Uniform Name Tape ( UNT) In Tampa ( Hillsborough County), Florida On South Dale Mabry Highway Not Far From The Main Gate Of MacDill AFB.
Joe, you said you've been in a little over 12 years. Me too. I am also prior-enlisted and later commissioned. Just curious. When did you go through BMT? Sounds like we may have been there about the same time. I graduated in July 2006, 321st TRS.
Wow, I was right behind you then. I started BMT on May 31, 2006. I am looking very forward to the OCPs! I still miss the old BDUs though. Since they were my first uniform, they still have a special place in my heart. But, the OCPs are a nice replacement for the ABUs! I have never liked ABUs.
We are of like company. I did Honor Guard for 18 months at my first base and loved starching up my BDUs and painting my boots. The ABUs have come a long way, but I was none too pleased with them those first few years. I am also (if you haven't noticed) very excited for the OCPs and 1 OCT.
I think it's long overdue... although there's some questionable policies that still require refinement (i.e. Army badges will remain black, not spice brown).
That’s in the latest update, that badges/patches awarded from other services will not require color conversion-which makes sense because... y’know, why?
@@Retired_LT No... I don't. Although I suspect it's going to look rather tacky. Most folks know AASLT and Pathfinder are Army qual badges--or maybe they don't 🤔. In which case it would make sense. I'd prefer to convert it for the sake of, dare I say, uniformity.
Hi Joe, does that mean the Army's ACU Gen 1 pattern is allowed to be worn in the Air Force. Even though it isn't named "OCP"? I've been confused on the differnece between scorpion and MultiCam patterns. but the ACU's look a lot like the OCP's I keep seeing.
Taylorjmedia seen people around my base wear it. My sgt has his issued to him around 2015 on deployment and he wears it also. Guess they’ll clear it up in the future.
A word to the wise: Get everything sewn on. The new OCP patches have shorter hooks than the ACU did and will literally fall off of the uniform without you noticing. In case you get the best possible contact on the Velcro, the outer ends of the nametapes will still pop up, and grab on to the shoulder Velcro whenever you do any reaching. It's as bad a design oversight as getting your backpack strap hooked on the pens in your sleeve... Sewed-on looks better, and performs better. Setup cost is a negative, but if you care about utility or appearance, ditch as much Velcro as possible.
By the way, props to the USAF for making patrol cap rank for officers only. That's going to deconflict when saluting enlisted to officer. Officer to officer, good luck lol. Maybe search for the sew on patches where the multicam happens to create a solid green background - or be an asshole like everyone in the Army lol. Old Specialists look like LTCs every damn time.
Sort of like in the 1990's when we went to the ASNP Air Crew Style Nameplates in BDU's you had to get right up on an officer before you knew to salute.
That's a good question that the AFI doesn't really clarify. It states "A one piece Tan 499 rigger style, nylon, web belt will be worn with OCP trousers," but when you Google it, you get belts that look like the current sand belt worn with the ABU *and* the darker, coyote belts. The coyote belts match the darker shirts, so that's what I'm going with until I'm corrected. I'm hoping the AF releases more literature soon. They have to know may of us are chomping at the bit to wear a real military uniform again. Here's the link to the extra--large, stupid-long belt I bought: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019MT7MA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Amazing, thank LT. I agree the OCP looks great, and personally I prefer it to the multicam even though multicam is supposed to provide a superior camouflage coefficient Then again the difference is minimal
I have two ABUs and I am starting to buy the OCP's because I will be going active duty by the first of October and I want to be ready. Now... What if I can't afford more OCP's and the only OCP uniform I have is soiled...can I wear the OCP and change between both uniforms while I can buy more OCP uniforms while I transition? It sounds stupid but I am worried that once I start wearing the OCP I can't go back to the ABU. I am a new LT if it helps.
Short answer: yes! The ABU is still an Air Force uniform for another few years. Until the phase-out date, you can wear the ABU as frequent or as infrequent as you wish. That’s my plan too, actually. I only have the one OCP set for now.
Where can I find an OCP winter coat for my son for Christmas? He’s being moved to cold weather climate from warm and will now need a coat! Out of luck at our area AFB because the will only sell to Army!
You can find cold weather gear online, like through US Patriot Tactical or some similar site. I’d roll the dice with a local Army-Navy surplus store. Remember, OCP and MultiCam are very similar patterns, so don’t hesitate to buy a MultiCam parka if you find one at a good price.
Joe Mitchell, our local AFB clothing store told me Army is only allowed to buy due to shortages and deadlines. He specifically asked for OCP is why I was searching for it. No luck online so far. May HAVE to do Multicam. Thanks. Good luck in your career.
Yeah, I got lucky with my purchase. I have already explored my local surplus store and eBay looking for inexpensive solutions for cold weather and other items, like backpacks. I recommend that.
We could always go to the medal insignias on the collars for the officers I’m a little E3 in the Air Force and I don’t know how many times I’ve almost been caught cause I couldn’t see the rank
@@Retired_LT Ha I knew you looked familiar. If it's any consultation, my entire class thought you were one of the better instructors. No hype. Good to see you commissioned, sir. I'll see you on that side if I get picked up for SOAR. Last question, where can I purchase OCPs before next year besides the 3 locations the AF is so graciously allowing purchases?
Indeed. There’s a couple sizing charts online, but I think a comment on here somewhere indicates the AF OCPs will have number sizing, whereas the ones tagged for Army sale use the Short-Medium-Long sizing.
And that’s totally acceptable. There’s plenty of time and clothing allowances between now and 2021 to pocket for these. You might even get a tasking and get them issued to you.
Airmen will have spice brown threading on their name tapes, whereas Army uses black. Additionally, our rank structures are different from the Army and I believe soldiers wear full color US flags on their sleeves.
I first told you Kellac-which is still an option, but like with the ABUs I bought, there may be some differences with AAFES in regards to fit-but I found that tacticalgear apparently has a commercial license to produce OCP uniforms. Preorders for now: tacticalgear.com/ocp-uniform
Tyree Davis I’m somewhat sure I mention I removed it because at the time I thought wearing it would be like I was representing them. I’ve since shrugged that notion off.
From 2903: After 1 April 2021, the 100% cotton Fire-Retardant OCP will not be used as an alternative for the 50% cotton/50% nylon OCP. The Fire-Retardant OCP is not authorized or intended for wear by all Airmen. Only Airmen in jobs that have occupational safety and health administration (OSHA) requirements for wear of the 100% cotton Fire-Retardant OCP (i.e. deployed Airmen operating in outside the wire mission sets) will be authorized to wear this distinctive uniform/equipment item.]
RapticGaming I think this lines up with the what the AFI defines as the OCP color scheme: OD green, spice brown, and black. www.aviatorgear.com/pv-1689-116405-ocp-usafe-patch.aspx
Joseph Mitchell LT, I have the same uniform you have but the Security Forces on our base where a slightly different pattern of OCP. I’m just wondering if the version of OCP I have will be legit to wear on the 1st...Thoughts?
Joseph King Right away, OCPs felt like worn-in ABUs. They don’t feel too crisp, but like they’ve been through the wash a few times already. I could be looking past the feel subconsciously because of how much I like the look, but I know they’re not uncomfortable.
Just on observation, I noticed the rank on your fleece was the one with the OCP pattern background but I'm pretty sure the fleece rank needs to be the one with the solid tan (coyote brown or what ever) background! just something to double check before actually wearing it. Excellent Vid man. -fellow Lt
I scoured the current AFI with the OCP guidance and strangely found no mention of OCP fleece rank. The leftover text concerning the ABU square is there, as you point out, but there’s no guidance for the OCP fleece. Rolling the dice on that one!
Thats pretty interesting because I can't even remember if I noticed whether or not they even sold the OCP rank with a solid tan background. I'm sure it wont be a big deal getting all the details worked out for the first little while.
David Stewart Yes, to an extent. “Commanders may authorize sleeves to be rolled up on the OCP coat; however, the cuffs will remain visible and the sleeve will rest at, or within 1 inch of, the forearm when the arm is bent at a 90-degree angle. Regardless as to whether the sleeves are rolled up or unrolled, the cuffs will remain visible at all times.”
I'm sure you've already gotten this as a comment, but the flag is placed in that orientation because the soldier, and thus the flag is always moving forward into battle. The colors never run. Cheers LT
Damn this LT is so lit lmao. Experienced 3 different uniforms. Has so much prior experience. These are the LT's that we need in the military. The ones that have the experience and intelligence from being in for so long and sharing past experiences to further educate mentors and peers. You shouldn't need just a degree in order to come in as an officer. Best of luck in your career sir. Thank you for the video
bprodigy25 Thanks for all that, man. It’s been an interesting 14 years, to say the least. You mention 3 uniforms, how about 3 presidents? LOL
I do know my biggest shortcoming is I don’t think I’m like how I am in this video as much as I should be at the shop with my Airmen-you know, helpful and sharing experiences. I never figured out how to best approach them now that I’m both new to them and new to being an O. I know it’s not too late, though.
I know how you feel man. I was in the army and when we switched from UCP to OCP it was awesome. It really does have more of a "military" look to it. The army's UCP and air force's ABU tiger stripe pattern never should have been approved in the first place.
Jared Davies I’ll never forget reading on the web site of the contractor that designed the ABU pattern how embarrassed they were that of all the patterns they developed, the least tactical of them all was adopted by the AF.
Jared Davies agreed
But i like UCP it looks stylish it reminds me of my grandmother's sofa.
Agreed. Navy’s NWU is pointless too. Everyone should just do OCP.
Eh, the ABU wasn’t absolutely horrid. This is one million times superior however. Tiger stripe with different colors would have worked but the OCP being a play in the most effective camo we ever used (m81) makes me like it even more. During a sim exercise, opfor was wearing OCP and we were wearing M81. Not only did FF happen because they’re such similar patterns, but I have to say, in all, it’s the most effective at breaking up the human body at distances. There were moments we literally couldn’t see people only meters from us, firing right at us. Pics up close from the event had our arms blending into the woodland surrounding MOUT
Prior enlisted now commissioned. I always have respect for you guys. I’m hopefully heading that route. Thank you sir, down to earth, straight forward with facts. I wouldn’t expect less! Take care
“What’s up dawg!?” 😂 prior enlisted always make the best officers! Great video sir!
That’s the impression I always had and I’m not about to kill it off. Thank you for the support!
Dude! I have such a hard time telling what rank the person approaching is. Screw it, I'm just gonna salute everybody
You can salute whoever you want, anytime you want. There is no reg saying otherwise. You'll never see a chief blush more than a salute even when you see their rank :)
*laughs in marine corps enlisted*
But now that I’ve switched, I feel the paib
Thanks for the video! I'm a former Marine 1990-2000 AF Reserves 2000-2023 getting ready to wear next weekend in Apr 2021..
As a new LT going active in Jan I really appreciate this helping get prepped
Glad I could help! I’ve been meaning to put out another video, especially since AFPC started publishing new one-sheets.
I didn't know Forrest Gump got commissioned as a Lt.
No joke, I’ve gotten that before.
He's going to be a general someday, according to his Drill Sergeant
Just found your video. Great job on the video
If only Lt. Dan can see him now.
@@Retired_LT LT's in the AIrforce from my very limited exp have been AMAZING. Yall deserve a salute more than anyone I've ever met. God bless you all!
Thanks a bunch for making this video along with your other two most recent ones! I'm part of class 19-05 heading to OTS in March and being non-prior will be making all my uniform purchases from now until I leave. I'll definitely be referring back to your videos when the time gets closer to ensure I've got everything together as it should be!
Where were you able to purchase your uniform items? Or were they provided to you during OTS?I wasn't super sure what you said
I bought all my stuff at a nearby Army post, Camp Shelby.
uspatriotstore.com has everything
Camp Shelby is a guard base in Mississippi
I joined the AF in 1977 and at that time we were wearing the 100% cotton utility uniforms with the blue & white name tags and chevrons along with the colorful MAJCOM patches that were sewn on our shirt pockets along with the blue & white "missiles badge" or "combat crew badge" that certain career fields awarded after serving. The 100% cotton utility uniforms were very comfortable and they were cool in the summer and warm in the winter. We also were wearing the soon to be phased out khaki uniforms or "1505's" which they were commonly called. I served for 20 years and retired. As far as I'm concern the air force should go back to the uniforms that I wore in 1977. The air force is not considered a ground combat unit and wearing these hideous OCP's or ABU uniforms are to be worn only by the marines and the army since they are a ground combat unit. A lot of ex-AF vets agreed with me in the past since they also wore they same uniform that I wore.
Hey Lt, I've been in since 1984, loved the woodland camo, hated the ABU tiger stripe nonsense, and love my OCP! Good news, you can wear the flag your mom gave you till 01 June 2020! "Current subdued black and green (cloth) U.S. flags may be worn until 1 June 2020, then spice brown will be the only accepted version" - AFI 36-2903, 28 Sep 2018. Enjoy your officer career, I'm enjoying it now, but still feel like an NCO!
Congrats on a long career! I may just get a square of Velcro sewn onto that green and black flag. It would make my ma-in-law pretty happy.
LT, what about the pants are they required to be draw string or like yours? ive seen guys with both.. i know a troop who has a set of proppers that look exactly like yours but the standard issue have draw string and have buttons with no draw string. any rhyme or reason. thanks LT
Those are some nice boots. Here in Army basic at Fort Jackson, I see all the drill sergeants wearing those, but us trainees get the standard issue boots that aren’t amazing.
I always liked how the AF had ranks on collars or sleeves. Made saluting easy when I ran into AF personnel. With the giant Velcro on the shoulders I don’t see how the AF can’t do something similar. You’re right when you make the point that identifying ranks will be difficult with that brown color. Good luck with that. Don’t see why you couldn’t wear the normal flag while in garrison like we did.
Lt; any info or direction on rolling up the sleeves on the OCP blouse? According to the AFI, you can roll them, but I have yet to see an example of “how” to properly do this
Good question. I haven’t looked into that lately, but I thought I recalled seeing the cuff just simply rolled up once or twice.
The current OCP looks very good and seems to be a cool evolution from the wood land pattern. Hope they keep it long enough. There is really no point keep making changes every few years if a given pattern is proven to be truly useful but I am glad they have been moving away from those digital patterns foolishness, i.e. digital patterns have no relationship with camo effect.
I think the changes to the OCP were a necessity. The army and AF were getting guys/gals killed because their stupid former patterns (made to look more cool than to actually work) were getting people killed.
The flag placed stars forward signifies forward momentum.
Also, if you want to save some dough, you can reuse your subdued/green/sage patches if you soak them in bleach for a couple/few days, the colors change and it works for OCP...just be careful and monitor them regularly as different bleaches change the colors at different rates. Also, not all patches/colors will turn the correct colors. Try at your own risk.
Just started wearing OCPs and a fellow NCO told me that my sand tee is not allowed with coyote brown boots. Said I have to have matching shirts and boots. I looked everywhere in the AFI but I can't find where is says that. Am I allowed to mix and match?
Alexander Hutchinson There is nothing regarding shirts and boots having to match in the AFI. Coyote brown boots are the only authorized boot and the sand tee is, FOR NOW, an acceptable color next to tan and CB. I say “for now” because the sand and tan-color tee will no longer be authorized June 1, 2020. 36-2903, para. 5.5.
Hey, great vid, LT! i'm currently active enlisted AF, got issued these a few months ago. We got pretty much the same info that you're listing off, but the rules of wearing it are more open to variations. Such as: Flag-- (subdued colors) cloth or infrared; Belt-- OCP, tan 499, black, or sand (abu); Socks-- green, tan, white, black.
I enjoy listening to you explain the proper wear of the uniform as it is being adopted. Having such a great public speaking talent, you should make many more videos!
Thanks Mav! Are you in SOCOM or Global strike?
Global Strike.
AFPC has updated the OCP poster, the American flag with spice brown thread is not mandatory until 1 June 2020.
My only gripe is that if you are in an MOS that requires you to actually do work or be engaged physically (think PJ, CCT, TACP, etc.), the velcro patches are lost too damn easy. They DO NOT stay on worth shit. I lost a lot of patches so I now sew everything on...I recommend sewing everything from the get go. The money you think you save by not having to sew stuff on is negated by the costly patch replacement. Velcro pockets are also a no go...too loud.
Great video and humor. I appreciate you clarify things. Question: OCP or 'Scorpian' OCP? Currently serving and confused AF about on-line OCP options until they come to my base … Thanks.
Scorpion is the code name for the pattern. The uniform is referred to as OCP for now. It could become Airman something-something Uniform in the future, but concerning shopping online for rank or nametapes, most places seem to be using OCP.
Great video and presentation...you just saved me a bunch of time deciphering 2903.
Thank you! There’s been more updates, so please stay close by for another video!
Great video just retired from the army and had transitioned into this uniform. Had bdu... acu and the ocp is a good uniform. Although the bdu was awesome when sleeves were rolled up.
Great video, thank you! I commission in May and am thinking of purchasing full-priced OCPs instead of buying half-priced ABUs that I'll need to replace in a few years. This video cleared up a lot of my questions (especially about sewing on patches). Quick question: is there a button-up blouse or is the zipper the only choice?
I only know of the zip-up blouse. I’ll ask around and see if there is a button-style.
@@Retired_LT Alright, thanks so much!
Actually Sir. Effective 2020 you are requiered to wear either the coyote brown or the tan 499 T. But one this i am having trouble figuring out is the left pocket patch. I was told the afcent patch goes there as well as functional patches. Is the afcent patch a functional patch?
Anytime the Army implements something, the AF is sure to follow. Roots service
Hey LT, I have been looking online and the only ones I have found that are available to purchase now are the Multicam ACU uniforms, are they the same as the OCP's? Or does the army have a slightly different variant? I asked my shirt and he has no clue. Thank you!
From what I understand, there is no difference. The Air Force is adopting the Army’s uniform pattern, so what they wear is what we will wear. I’ve looked around too and am sure I would punch it on us-patriot-tactical if I didn’t already have mixed feelings about Propper and their ABUs. Scorpion is lighter than Multicam with small to medium-size splotches. These look legit: uspatriottactical.com/multicam-scorpion-uniforms/
Actually there is a difference. What is available commercially is OCP Multicam - and is authorized for USAF wear; however, the new OCP is Scorpion W2 - they are slightly different. Here's a good breakdown vid of the differences - ruclips.net/video/wPgCcXhYmc4/видео.html
@@Retired_LT why did you have mixed feelings about propper? It seems they're the only ones making ocps. I found them both on kellac and us patriot tactical. Idk which to get even though they're the same brand. I'm security forces and about to make my first purchase for them
Nice video, just retired so won't need these cool uniforms, but my daughter, a captain, is excited to be wearing these soon!
Awesome video brother, be safe and thank you for your service.
Joe, how long did it take for you to commission? The only process I can do is OCS. Wondering if you would be able to give me some tips and tricks.
Prepare to read a bit:
It was a lot shorter for me than most. I submitted my paperwork to the June 2017 board after spending all of May and a little of April gathering required paperwork and meeting with CCs. Results were published in Sep 2017 and I was slated to ship out, so to speak, Sep of this year. OTS was apparently backed up a full year! However, my wife and I became pregnant in Oct, so when Dec rolled past and we were in the clear with viability and what not, I contacted Officer Accessions at Randolph AFB and just asked if there were any slots open sooner than Sep because we were due in July. Much rather get OTS outta the way, miss part of the pregnancy, than bounce and leave the wife with a 5 week old. Turned out there was an opening in the April 2018 class, so I was attending and graduating OTS one year from when I first began the prices and uploaded my application pack.
A friend of mine that was picked up waited a whole lot longer because the board pushed results back nearly 8 months-for whatever reason. He applied around June 2016, results were due that Sep, but were pushed to May 2017! He eventually left Jan 2018. Clearly, results may vary.
To me the air force ocps have more brown in the Camo pattern than army ocps. Is there any difference besides rank and name tapes?
Officer Mitchell - great video on the Air Force’s new OCP. I’m currently in the process of commissioning with U.S.A.F. to become an aviator from Harvard (civilian), but I absolutely HATE the ugly OCP.
They are much better than the old ABU, hands-down. But the whole color palette and design of the camouflage is unappealing.
I’m also commissioning with the U.S. Marine Corps as an aviator. Just took both the ASTB-E and AFOQT (USAF). Now working on PT scores. But the USMC’s digitalized uniform is just outstanding.
Why did the Air Force not follow the Marine Corps’ example? The digital pattern is light-years ahead of the other ugly patterns out there.
[Putting] the other myriad of factors aside, uniforms will be a deciding factor if I am approved by both Boards. This video helped.
Khoa Nguyen your seriously going to choose a branch based on uniform? Wow..
@HangtownTactical Please refer to the last comment of my overall reply. It is not the first factor. But it will be the last, and deciding, factor.
Leave it to the AF to mess up a good thing. No IR flags. No Ranger rolling sleeves. Now I hear the uniforms being tested is thick as a cardboard box and doesn’t breathe. I haven’t seen it but I can it wouldn’t surprise me. The regs were a lot more chill when it was only AFSOC rocking them.
2903 wasn't completely updated...anything OCP is only a guidance memorandum. It'll be jacked up for a while, just like the ABU roll-out. I remember my first pair of ABUs were pink and blue hued. And the flag can be basically any reverse embroidered spice brown criteria US flag. Even the one with the OCP background (literally spice brown stripes over an OCP background with whatever cream# is in the criteria on the border) follows the GM...which is what I was issued a long while ago, and will wear until official AFI is rolled out.
I have to respectfully disagree. The front page of the GM says it “immediately changes” the AFI. You’re correct-the AFI will be continually reviewed and revised, but the AFI accessible via AFPC’s site is the rule of the land.
Uniformity is Key and the day I'll see it is coming sooner than I thought. First it was the Navy adopting a OCP Colored Duty Uniform now you guys? Awesome
Hey Lt. thanks for the help just got my first pair of ocp's since we only get them if we deploy but one quick question would your cap still go in your cargo pocket like the abu's or would it mess up your cap?
Former army guy here..... joining the Air Force here shortly, for TACP. What about badges? Do my CIB, Airborne, etc go on in brown or black?? Thanks the informative video LT
The current guidance states that "Airmen may wear other services' qualification badges, if earned and awarded, i.e. Ranger tab, Air Assault or Pathfinder. Award criteria for other services’ qualification badges will be in accordance with the awarding service’s directives. Sister service and joint badges can be worn in their current color configuration and will not be converted to the spice brown color criteria." That being said, the jump wings are an AF qual as well, so they can be spice. Sounds ridiculous if you ask me... Spice occupational badge/wings and a black AASLT or PF badge? 🤨
www.afpc.af.mil/Career-Management/Dress-and-Appearance/
It would be cool on the same video on the ABU for us collectors. I know it gets a bad rap but as a lover of tiger stripe the ABU has to be the coolest pattern of any U.S. camouflage pattern ever issued. Could been really cool in a different color 😢
Actually it would be cool for BDU DCU I dont think anyone is doing those videos.
Thanks for sharing this knowledge.
It makes sense because the Air Force came from the Army so they should be working together
6:37...cover LT...just kidding lol. Wonderful video sir, super informative.
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Great video! You rocked them OCPs!
I'm rocking my tan boots from my Army ACU's. Paid $350 when they were a brand new type in 2010 at KAF. Until 01June2020. Switched branches, the Air Force is a much better branch and it's the same pay and benefits!
Is there any guidance for the size of the rank on the cap? Been researching for a couple days and I don't see anything mentioning dimensions. I've only seen the "centered 1/2 in above visor".
What color socks are authorized? If I'm correct we will continue to use the same green socks?
Oscar Mendoza correct.
Would let it make sense to also wear coyote socks or at least authorize them for wear?
According to the latest update, the subdued flag you have is authorized until 2020 as well.
Bianca Stowe where is the update found ?
www.afpc.af.mil/Career-Management/Dress-and-Appearance/
So Damn Glad That USAF Finally Hard Rocks A Real Battle Dress Uniform Notwithstanding The Current Reference To Organizational Camouflage Pattern ( OCP) . P.S. All Of My CONDOR ® MULTICAM ® Tactical Ball Caps Hard Rock The " Spice Brown" Name Tape Purchased From Uniform Name Tape ( UNT) In Tampa ( Hillsborough County), Florida On South Dale Mabry Highway Not Far From The Main Gate Of MacDill AFB.
Which is warmer? The OCP or the fleece? Can you where the fleece instead of the OCP top?
Joe, you said you've been in a little over 12 years. Me too. I am also prior-enlisted and later commissioned. Just curious. When did you go through BMT? Sounds like we may have been there about the same time. I graduated in July 2006, 321st TRS.
I grad'd JUN 2006, 331st. We might've overlapped a couple days. Congrats on your commission!
Wow, I was right behind you then. I started BMT on May 31, 2006. I am looking very forward to the OCPs! I still miss the old BDUs though. Since they were my first uniform, they still have a special place in my heart. But, the OCPs are a nice replacement for the ABUs! I have never liked ABUs.
We are of like company. I did Honor Guard for 18 months at my first base and loved starching up my BDUs and painting my boots. The ABUs have come a long way, but I was none too pleased with them those first few years. I am also (if you haven't noticed) very excited for the OCPs and 1 OCT.
Hello sir! Currently Enlisted here! Where can I figure out how to lace up the coyote boots?
What do you mean? If you mean the over-under pattern, that's kinda difficult to put into words. Do you have anybody in your peer group to demonstrate?
That stuff looks so good. It looks like a *MILITARY* uniform.
I think it's long overdue... although there's some questionable policies that still require refinement (i.e. Army badges will remain black, not spice brown).
That’s in the latest update, that badges/patches awarded from other services will not require color conversion-which makes sense because... y’know, why?
@@Retired_LT No... I don't. Although I suspect it's going to look rather tacky. Most folks know AASLT and Pathfinder are Army qual badges--or maybe they don't 🤔. In which case it would make sense. I'd prefer to convert it for the sake of, dare I say, uniformity.
Question. Are both variants of the OCP allowed ( Scorpion and MultiCam )?
What I interpreted from AFPC’s Facebook comments is yes, both styles are permitted until 2021. At that time, everyone should be wearing Scorpion.
Hi Joe, does that mean the Army's ACU Gen 1 pattern is allowed to be worn in the Air Force. Even though it isn't named "OCP"? I've been confused on the differnece between scorpion and MultiCam patterns. but the ACU's look a lot like the OCP's I keep seeing.
Taylorjmedia seen people around my base wear it. My sgt has his issued to him around 2015 on deployment and he wears it also. Guess they’ll clear it up in the future.
Great video! I'm so excited to wear this too
A word to the wise: Get everything sewn on. The new OCP patches have shorter hooks than the ACU did and will literally fall off of the uniform without you noticing. In case you get the best possible contact on the Velcro, the outer ends of the nametapes will still pop up, and grab on to the shoulder Velcro whenever you do any reaching. It's as bad a design oversight as getting your backpack strap hooked on the pens in your sleeve... Sewed-on looks better, and performs better. Setup cost is a negative, but if you care about utility or appearance, ditch as much Velcro as possible.
By the way, props to the USAF for making patrol cap rank for officers only. That's going to deconflict when saluting enlisted to officer. Officer to officer, good luck lol. Maybe search for the sew on patches where the multicam happens to create a solid green background - or be an asshole like everyone in the Army lol. Old Specialists look like LTCs every damn time.
I was at Joint Base Richardson and the Specialist’s giant blob of a rank always got me. LOL
Are you going to talk about your OTS experience?
Sort of like in the 1990's when we went to the ASNP Air Crew Style Nameplates in BDU's you had to get right up on an officer before you knew to salute.
Hey LT I have a question about the belt. I can't find a 5.11 belt in Tan 499, either coyote or green. Which one are using ?
no no I found a reversible coyote/black belt at Academy. I had also bought a coyote belt off Amazon, but it was way, waaaaay too long.
ph nice so coyote can be used in place of the tan 449 ?
That's a good question that the AFI doesn't really clarify. It states "A one piece Tan 499 rigger style, nylon, web belt will be worn with OCP trousers," but when you Google it, you get belts that look like the current sand belt worn with the ABU *and* the darker, coyote belts. The coyote belts match the darker shirts, so that's what I'm going with until I'm corrected. I'm hoping the AF releases more literature soon. They have to know may of us are chomping at the bit to wear a real military uniform again.
Here's the link to the extra--large, stupid-long belt I bought: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019MT7MA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Amazing, thank LT. I agree the OCP looks great, and personally I prefer it to the multicam even though multicam is supposed to provide a superior camouflage coefficient Then again the difference is minimal
Joe Mitchell they are virtually the exact same
I have two ABUs and I am starting to buy the OCP's because I will be going active duty by the first of October and I want to be ready. Now... What if I can't afford more OCP's and the only OCP uniform I have is soiled...can I wear the OCP and change between both uniforms while I can buy more OCP uniforms while I transition? It sounds stupid but I am worried that once I start wearing the OCP I can't go back to the ABU. I am a new LT if it helps.
Short answer: yes! The ABU is still an Air Force uniform for another few years. Until the phase-out date, you can wear the ABU as frequent or as infrequent as you wish. That’s my plan too, actually. I only have the one OCP set for now.
@@Retired_LT Awesome thank you for your answer, btw what is your AFSC? I will be going in as a PA.
aimhigh_ida Cyber. I’m marginally enthused... 😕
great video! Keep up the good work and thanks for your service!
For my ABU fleece jacket, I just turn it inside out and don't take off the velcro tags when I do laundry. I never had a problem.
Where can I find an OCP winter coat for my son for Christmas? He’s being moved to cold weather climate from warm and will now need a coat! Out of luck at our area AFB because the will only sell to Army!
You can find cold weather gear online, like through US Patriot Tactical or some similar site. I’d roll the dice with a local Army-Navy surplus store. Remember, OCP and MultiCam are very similar patterns, so don’t hesitate to buy a MultiCam parka if you find one at a good price.
Joe Mitchell, our local AFB clothing store told me Army is only allowed to buy due to shortages and deadlines. He specifically asked for OCP is why I was searching for it. No luck online so far. May HAVE to do Multicam. Thanks. Good luck in your career.
Yeah, I got lucky with my purchase. I have already explored my local surplus store and eBay looking for inexpensive solutions for cold weather and other items, like backpacks. I recommend that.
Just wear the trousers a little higher.
Where did you buy your uniform? Is it scorpion OCP?
I bought it from an Army post’s MCS. It is Scorpion, however MultiCams are permitted for right now. If you already have them, you can wear them.
Awesome, man, thanks a ton!!
We could always go to the medal insignias on the collars for the officers I’m a little E3 in the Air Force and I don’t know how many times I’ve almost been caught cause I couldn’t see the rank
Great video LT! Would you happen to have been an Instructor at Keesler?
Indeed-for 4 1/2 years. 😑
@@Retired_LT Ha I knew you looked familiar. If it's any consultation, my entire class thought you were one of the better instructors. No hype. Good to see you commissioned, sir. I'll see you on that side if I get picked up for SOAR. Last question, where can I purchase OCPs before next year besides the 3 locations the AF is so graciously allowing purchases?
Haha wow, Im actually watching this from Kessler xD
Awesome, thanks for the vid!
Great video LT!
Great video, thanks.
Of course our base (a reserve base) wants to be the only one that won’t allow OCPs October 1st
How is the sizing on these compared to the ABU? Pretty comparable?
Indeed. There’s a couple sizing charts online, but I think a comment on here somewhere indicates the AF OCPs will have number sizing, whereas the ones tagged for Army sale use the Short-Medium-Long sizing.
Gotcha. Thanks for the video! I won't be buying them until I have to, but it's good to know.
And that’s totally acceptable. There’s plenty of time and clothing allowances between now and 2021 to pocket for these. You might even get a tasking and get them issued to you.
I thought the reason for the positioning of the flag was to represent going forward. Dunno where I heard that though.
I personally think the OCP’s look WAAAY better than the ABU’s
So, how will I be able to tell the difference between my fellow soldiers and airman?
Airmen will have spice brown threading on their name tapes, whereas Army uses black. Additionally, our rank structures are different from the Army and I believe soldiers wear full color US flags on their sleeves.
Is the Fire Resistant ACU authorized to wear?
Do you know what site I could find the right OCP uniform with everything that is needed?
I first told you Kellac-which is still an option, but like with the ABUs I bought, there may be some differences with AAFES in regards to fit-but I found that tacticalgear apparently has a commercial license to produce OCP uniforms. Preorders for now: tacticalgear.com/ocp-uniform
Joseph Mitchell Thanks appreciate it
You can pick up the spice brown flags at clothing sales now
What color watch caps will be allowed with the fleece
Thank you for your service
great video Lieutenant!
For starters where is your usaf patch sir. U r definitely out of regs right now.
Tyree Davis I’m somewhat sure I mention I removed it because at the time I thought wearing it would be like I was representing them. I’ve since shrugged that notion off.
Can we do the alteration with the elastic band for blousing purposes?
Yes.
April 1st 2021 the Air Force is gonna tell us “April fools guys, now go get your ABUs” 😂
1IncWide&12CM Is.Right
Great video.
D you have anything on the wear of the fire resistant ocp.
From 2903: After 1 April 2021, the 100% cotton Fire-Retardant OCP will not be used as an alternative for the 50% cotton/50% nylon OCP. The Fire-Retardant OCP is not authorized or intended for wear by all Airmen. Only Airmen in jobs that have occupational safety and health administration (OSHA) requirements for wear of the 100% cotton Fire-Retardant OCP (i.e. deployed Airmen operating in outside the wire mission sets) will be authorized to wear this distinctive uniform/equipment item.]
Joe Mitchell so after 2021 it’s not authorized, until then it’s fine for home station
Which majcom patch would be authorized for ramstein germany?
USAFE, certainly-unless you’re assigned to a GSU that falls under a different MAJCOM.
Joe Mitchell would you happen to know the correct subdued patch to where for usafe?
RapticGaming I think this lines up with the what the AFI defines as the OCP color scheme: OD green, spice brown, and black. www.aviatorgear.com/pv-1689-116405-ocp-usafe-patch.aspx
Is there a huge difference with the airforce ocp and the army ocp besides the name tapes and rank
Brandon Cortez it’s a slightly different pattern I believe
I don’t believe the pattern is different-at least, I hope not. 😬
Joseph Mitchell LT, I have the same uniform you have but the Security Forces on our base where a slightly different pattern of OCP. I’m just wondering if the version of OCP I have will be legit to wear on the 1st...Thoughts?
Great video, sir!
Which is more comfortable, ABU or OCP?
Joseph King Right away, OCPs felt like worn-in ABUs. They don’t feel too crisp, but like they’ve been through the wash a few times already. I could be looking past the feel subconsciously because of how much I like the look, but I know they’re not uncomfortable.
I was waiting on MAJCOM Patches on the right shoulder (Sq/Gp/Wg) patch on the left...Awesome video though
Where did you take the AFOQT at & how did you schedule it
I took the AFOQT while TDY to Mountain Home. It was as simple as contacting their education office and scheduling it.
Just on observation, I noticed the rank on your fleece was the one with the OCP pattern background but I'm pretty sure the fleece rank needs to be the one with the solid tan (coyote brown or what ever) background! just something to double check before actually wearing it. Excellent Vid man.
-fellow Lt
I scoured the current AFI with the OCP guidance and strangely found no mention of OCP fleece rank. The leftover text concerning the ABU square is there, as you point out, but there’s no guidance for the OCP fleece. Rolling the dice on that one!
Thats pretty interesting because I can't even remember if I noticed whether or not they even sold the OCP rank with a solid tan background. I'm sure it wont be a big deal getting all the details worked out for the first little while.
The patch for the fleece is the same patch as for the blouse (OCP background)
Can you roll sleeves ?
David Stewart Yes, to an extent. “Commanders may authorize sleeves to be rolled up on the OCP coat; however, the cuffs will remain visible and the sleeve will rest at, or within 1 inch of, the forearm when the arm is bent at a 90-degree angle. Regardless as to whether the sleeves are rolled up or unrolled, the cuffs will remain visible at all times.”
Joe M Thank you sir
I thought the flag was reversed to represent the direction the flag would wave when a flag bearer is charging
What is OCP?
I'm sure you've already gotten this as a comment, but the flag is placed in that orientation because the soldier, and thus the flag is always moving forward into battle. The colors never run.
Cheers LT
Hell no, they don't.