DARKEST HOUR (2017) | First Time Watching | MOVIE REACTION | Gary Oldman Is Amazing!
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"We shall fight on the beaches" is the most famous speech in UK history. It stills gives me chills
Especially when you hear it at the beginning of Iron Maiden's Aces High.
Arguably one of the most famous in World History...certainly as given in English.
Even here in the states, we learned that speech in high school.
@@gutz1981 live to fly, fly to live, aces high!
surely it’s the “for christs sake mick”? from gavin and stacey?
One great memory from my youth was in the summer of 1964, at the age of 18. I was on a tour of Great Britain. While we were walking down an alley in Westminster, a limousine pulled to a stop at the head of the alley and a man leaned out the window and flashed us the V - sign. In an instant, I recognized him as Winston Churchill. On the telly that night, I learned that he had been leaving Parliament for the last time, having resigned as an MP. I will never forget it.
That is quite something to witness.
I remember when I was young and I saw Churchill do the V for victory for the first time. I later found out that it meant victory, but I thought he was joking at the time
Cool
Bollocks
The war began in September 1939. The Dunkirk evacuation took place in early summer 1940. Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7th, 1941. So, for more than TWO YEARS (and roughly 19 months after Dunkirk), the U.K. effectively did it alone against the Nazis. Winston Churchill was a pillar of strength during that time.
To be fair, June '41, Hitler's invading USSR, has shifted Germany's war effort.
@@zvimur In a big way, even still the german navy didn't stand up to the Royal Navy nearly as well
As a Latvian woman, I detest the notion UK was the only one fighting. We were fighting both Hitler and Stalin and both refused to f*ck off. We dug up streets for trenches. Children fought. We truly felt alone. Our men and boys forced into army on both sides, brothers killing brothers as two monstrous pieces of garbage went on comparing their d*cks. Those who refused were killed with their families. Our Jewish population was murdered. We only regained our freedom in 1991.
UK never fought alone they had the empire behind them
@@johncarter449 - Hence, this is why the empire was all part of the UNITED KINGDOM.
Gary Oldman did a hell of a good job of portraying Winston Churchill. And he earned that Oscar.
He had been constantly robbed again and again. It was about time.
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flenching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"
Winston Churchill
First time watching Gary Oldman was in "The Professional".
He remains the scariest "bad cop" I ever saw in a movie.
"EEEVVVVVERRRYYYONNNNEEEE!!!!!"
@@thefourhorsemen91 F%"k you Erik hahahah, you stole my line!!!
0:14 Yeah, the two fingers sign came from the 100 years war. The french used to cut that 2 fingers of every archer they capture, so they can use the longbow anymore, so that troops, in front of the french troops make that sign as defiance.
V sign is,was away of ecpressing
Expressing the sentiment of foxtrot Oscar to the protagonists
This film shows how politicians are reptilian predatory immoral creatures they thought they were setting church up to faillittle did they know.
Churchill's private secretary, John Colville, wrote at the time in his private diaries: "The PM will give the V-sign with two fingers in spite of representations repeatedly made to him that this gesture has quite another significance."
So they are both right
The archers thing is a nice story, but there's no evidence for it (and in any case it was a three finger amputation threat).
My grandfather was at Dunkirk and couldn't swim but was essentially forced into the water in an attempt to get rescued. He would have drowned if his friend hadn't grabbed hold of him and swam them both to a small French fishing boat. Despite him being under fire in various places throughout the war, he said that was the scariest moment for him.
If you want good round story of this period. The Kings Speech (with Colin Firth) is a good choice. Kings Speech is about the King. His coming to power before the war and his personal difficulties with public speaking. It was nominated for 12 Oscars and won 4. On a budget of 8 million it earned 250 million.
This is May/June 1940, Pearl Harbour is December 1941, so not 6 months, it's 18 months. To his credit within the limits of his authority FDR did a great deal to try and support Britain behind the scenes, even the "push your planes across the border" was a great effort, at the time elements of Congress wanted to halt all arms sales to any European nation. It is noteworthy that FDR's and through him the US support for Britain infuriated Hitler, the US never declared war of Germany (after Pearl Harbor they declared war with Japan) but Hitler instead "supported" his diplomatic ally Japan and declared war on the United States. The meeting on the train never happened.
This is mostly true, but FDR really wasn't very supportive at this point in the war. Not that he didn't want to be, but conventional wisdom at the time was that Britain was doomed and he didn't want to spend political capital in a lost cause. It wasn't until it began to become clear that England could win the Battle of Britain that FDR started pushing as far as he could to help.
@@hkpew Yeah, speaking here on the same point from a different angle. FDR clearly wanted to help Britain, but it did not have strong US political support and (especially following New Deal political clashes) he felt limited given that conventional wisdom said Britain was finished after the fall of France (which in FDR's defence many British themselves thought was true, such as this film shows). Still, it may have been a dim and guttering light in the dark but he did keep at least some light burning to indicate to Churchill that he (and thus the US) would support Britain as much as he could. It is more of a comment on the many US politicians who resisted entering the conflict against Nazi Germany early in the War then later preached about how they were key supporters in the battle against Nazism after the War was clearly won. Not like we see that sort of behaviour still among many politicians, media and influencers. And as a society we tacitly allow such revisionism by ignoring it.
It should also be remembered that, despite what American children have been taught in school ever since, Russia actually made the greatest contribution to the defeat of Germany. The Cold War meant that this widely understood truth remains all but unspoken in the West.
@@emdiar6588 One, not Russia, the Soviet Union, similar but not the same. Two, in terms of direct fighting and sacrifice of lives no doubt - but the USSR could not have endured or prevailed without the support of Lend-Lease which basically mechanised Soviet logistics in terms of trucks and transport. So the defeat of Nazi Germany required both the Soviet and Western Allies. But the bloodshed, the pain, that fell heavily upon the Soviets - the people of all the regions and nations that were part of that entity. From Stalingrad, to Kursk, to Bagration, to East Prussia and Berlin, with all the vicious little battles before and in-between. And yes, a lot of US history (although other nations tend to be as well) is badly UScentric and blind to the wider reality.
FDR was an idiot and that comment about pushing planes was his way of saying no help
It's not one of Winston Churchill's more inspirational quotes, but "It's no damn use ducking. The bullet has gone a long way past you by now!” has a lot personal of meaning to me.
Another great Churchill quote: "We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle" Winston Churchill.
and that's why he lost post-war. Social policy was desperately needed after the war to get them on their feet. No time for trickle down economics.
But he was not a Republican who was a spend a holic, unable to keep his hands off the people's money.
@@dansiegel995Atlee was not a good prime minister.
Thatcher was the Prime Minister that finally started to fox the problems he caused by ending nationalized industries.
I'm glad you saw this.
Yes it's a slow burner but it's one of the best Gary Oldman performances imo.
Churchill despite everything was the right man, in the right place in the right time..
Tell that to the Indian people , especially the millions that he killed in Bengal. Fuck off with that shit.
@@DLites151 What Alan said is true and will never not be true.
@@DLites151 "Tell that to the Indian people , especially the millions that he killed in Bengal. Fuck off with that shit."
The Soviet Union lost 8-9 million civilian lives to famine and disease out of a total population of 170.6 million in order to win WW2.
In comparison the 2-3 million civilian lives lost in India to famine and disease was out of a total population of 550.4 million (entire British Empire at the time).
The guy had a war to win.
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He might have been a prick towards Indians, but there were much bigger pricks who did worse for less...
@@nt78stonewobble wrong. Soviets and British were both worse than the Germans. This is obvious.
You give them too much credit. The girl seemed "meh" and the clown in the cowboy hat has absolutely zero comprehension that anything of importance ever happened outside of his state.
A fantastic performance by Gary Oldman in thissun; really drove home the desperate plight of the British in the War's early days.
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy is another fantastic Oldman flick, but the plot is highly complex and does no hand-holding.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly." - Winston Churchill
If you want some WW1 movies I recommend War Horse directed by Steven Spielberg. Its an interesting and emotional World War 1 piece.
Also 'They Shall Not Grow Old' by Peter Jackson. Best WW1 movie ever.
1917 is a good one as well
He would be removed from office now, as an alcoholic and replaced by some appeaser like Starmer.
@@minty447 So is 'Dunkirk'
""I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly." - Winston Churchill"
Funnily enough, I can't find any actual source for when/where Churchill "said" this which tends to make me view it as a myth. it's also (imo) not particularly witty.
The parliament scene at the beginning is true to real life.
Lily James was also in "Yesterday", a fantasy story about the Beatles. She played the girlfriend of the main character.
You know for the Dunkirk evacuation he said SEND EVERYONE!!!
This start of this film and Dunkirk is June 1940, Pearl Harbour doesn’t happen until December 1941 btw!
Yes. We realized this later. Makes the time even crazier to think about!
Easy mistake to make, loving your reviews though guys!
@@colinrattray816 Unfortunately, yes - it WAS a very easy mistake to make...
You should try "Young Winston" which is a pretty good biopic of his childhood and early life up into his first election to Parliament (I think in 1904, when he was 30). He had some amazing adventures including being in one of the last great horse cavalry charge battles in history.
Bet it doesn't mention his out and out racism...
@@redcardinalist give it a rest.
Currently reading Churchill - Walking With Destiny. Very complex man who was what they needed at that moment in time.
"When will the lesson be learned? When will the lesson be learned? How many more dictators must be wooed, APPEASED-good God, given immense privileges-before we learn? You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth!"
Very appropriate with today's current events…
FYI: This was directed by Joe Wright -- the same person who directed 2005's Pride & Prejudice (that you recently reacted to).
The US did enter the war till 1942 this happened in 1940 just before the battle of Britain the US was not there we won the Battle of Britain
A decent movie, but I kind of still think that the BBC/HBO TV movie 'The Gathering Storm' with Albert Finney as Churchill remains the definitive. Captured his 'wilderness years' and his depression along with his tremendous work to warn the danger of Nazi Germany and Britain's ill-preparedness. It also encompasses the help provided him by his growing clique from all walks of political life, who shared his fears. A great companion piece to this is the Norwegian movie 'The King's Choice' which is about the Norwegian King in the opening days of Germany's invasion. It's one of the best WWII I've ever seen. It's not an action film, but it perfectly captures the fear and uncertainty of the time. There's also a few issues with Darkest Hour. It neglects to feature the key support Atlee and Labour showed in shoring up Churchill and averting Halifax's peace. The French P.M Reynaud fought hard with his cabinet to keep France in the war, and was torn apart by the collapse. He was also a friend of Churchill's, and I resent the film portraying him as it did. He wasn't a great man, but he stood up to Petain and Vichy France and for his troubles ended up in jail and then later, a concentration camp. Churchill's speeches also weren't immediately popular with the public, and it took time for them to be fully won over by him. It's a film that dumbs things down a bit too much and has too many false, cloying scenes. Still, OIdman's performance is excellent, so that to an extent saves the film .
Operation Dynamo was amazing. It's covered also in Mrs. Miniver, one of FDR's favorite movies and an Oscar winner.
In Greece, as is in Spain, most people nap at 4-6. Its not bad at all actually. You have more energy for the night and are more fresh. Plus, we are nations known for our longevity, so I think napping is very important.
To be honest watching this with you guys , all I could picture and think of is Ukraine and what they are going through. 🇺🇦❤ thanks for the reaction. 🇬🇧🇺🇸
Not quite the same though. Ukraine should definitely fight to remain an independent nation, however they do have elements within the nation that are a huge issue. The Nazi type groups, such as the Azoz Regiment and neo-Nazi Social National Assembly (SNA), within Ukraine are part of the problem, and are a cause for this war. It's not just Russia wanting to retake Ukraine, it's to end the killings of Russians of various ethnic backgrounds inside Ukraine.
@@My-Name-Isnt-Important Spoken like a true puppet of Putin.
@@MG-ll5nw Puppet? Those are facts. There are neo-Nazi type groups in Ukraine. It's clear the real puppet is you, and you're probably some neo-nazi supporter to try and silence the truth, by falsely claiming someone is a puppet of Russia for posting facts. Interesting your RUclips account was created in 2014 but has nothing associated with it. It's very likely that you are a Nazi supporter and a troll.
@@shinrapresident7010 Iraq is an entirely different situation. The US continually interfered with Ukrainian affairs leading up to 2014, by aiding a Neo-Nazi and helping to overthrow a democratically elected President, even if that President was a pro-Russian. As I said, Ukraine should definitely fight to remain an independent sovereign nation, but it's not as black and white as "Russia bad, Ukraine good." Also, Ukraine is nothing like the UK during WWII, it's far more complicated than that.
@@shinrapresident7010 So... What does this have to do with anything? Nobody except you mentioned Iraq. Ukraine has nothing to do with Iraq or the Iraq war. It doesn't have to do with the Azov Regiment or the other Neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine that are apart of their military and even some inside their government. Zelensky, who is Jewish, even awarded an a known neo-nazi one of Ukraine highest military honors.
Just recently for International Women's day, NATO posted on their twitter various women in Ukraine. They later had to take down several photos of some of the women, due to them having the Black Sun patch on their plate carriers. The Black Sun is a neo-Nazi symbol. That's what's being discussed.
Ukraine and the war there isn't just a black and white issue, there are many facets to it. Russia is invading, but they are also responding to what many of the neo-Nazi groups have done since 2014. Which includes killing people inside the Donbas region in Ukraine, who are of Russian but also ethnic minorities. Just last year in 2021, a few months ago in November, over 800 Jewish headstones in a cemetery were destroyed by neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
I find Christopher Nolan’s film “Dunkirk” to be a great companion piece to this, they each portray a different side of the war
interesting that both movies came out at the same time and were both about the British in ww2 during the same year
You probably know this, but the reactors have seen Dunkirk.
I think the film Atonement's Dunkirk scene is 1000x better than the Dunkirk film even if it only lasts about 10 minutes. It actually shows the terrible conditions and feelings of the men that were trapped there rather that about 1000 dudes just waiting on the beach like in the Nolan film
Dunkirk was an embarrassing film. So much wrong it was horrendous
I had a real problem with the "Dunkirk" movie because it started with absolutely no explanation of what the situation was. Why were the British on that beach what happened? Not even a mention of the year. I imagine young people under the age of 40 had no idea what was happening.
Gary Oldman got to sit in Churchill's chair. They used a substitute chair for the movie, but if you notice him tapping on the arm of the wooden chair in the movie, that is because Oldman noticed the marks on the arm of the original chair from the ring Churchill wore.
Make sure you wink with the closed eye and make sure you do the two finger 'v' the right way round. That was our darkest hour and the years following could have been even darker if things had not worked out. Great reaction to a great movie.
“ if your going through hell keep going” - Churchill
My favorite
Two things worth looking up referencing this, Gary Oldman at a actors round table discussing Churchill and Gary Oldman, in costume as Churchill, dancing like James Brown, great movie, one of the best actors in the last 3 decades.
17:55 It's worth remembering that the attack on Pearl Harbor wasn't an isolated incident. On the other side of the International Date Line (so, according to the calendar, the 8th of December, but in reality, these are all within hours of each other), the Japanese also launched attacks on British Malaya, Singapore and Hong Kong, Thailand, the Dutch East indies, Guam, Wake Island and Batan Island.
Oh, and they're all 1941, so... 18 months after the movie.
If you, or anyone, gets to London, go visit the War Rooms. After the war, they were basically just left as they were. You can feel the history oozing from the very walls.
Very true.
The Dunkirk evacuation was May 1940.
The 'Battle of Britain' was September 1940, first German set-back.
Pearl Harbour was December 1941
German defeat. to be clear. the Luftwaffe suffered horrendous losses.. highly experienced aircrews were lost - men who'd trained for years .. all shot down over England would be captured and made pows for duration - many shipped off to Canada... if they hadn't been killed already when their planes shot down
I was born a few days before Churchill died. My Dad was always proud that I “lived a few days in the life of the greatest Briton”.
Churchill had plenty of flaws, prejudices, vices. He was often wrong and made some awful decisions. He was often not a nice man. But, he was the right man at the right time. Without his leadership, we might never have had the courage to stand alone for so long.
The king stayed at Buckingham Palace even though it was bombed 9 times by the nazis also Churchill was a poor peace time pm but an excellent war time p.m
Sir Winston Churchill, the saviour of the western world. He and the British fought alone against the Nazis and the Fascists for over a year until first Soviet Union (July 1941) and then the USA (December 1941) entered the war. By the way: All battles where the real battles.
the 2 finger sign comes from the war in France as the French use to cut off the two fingers off British archers so they do not bow their arrows ever again so the other archers would put up the two finger sign to say we still have our fingers hence f-off
yeah but no its a myth theres no evidence to back it up and it has more or less been thoroughly debunked by historians
@@Frequencydead so does your claim .
@@Frequencydead ruclips.net/video/4TGYKnGZXcM/видео.html take a look
Screenwriter Anthony McCain also wrote a history book, The Darkest Hour. Churchill did disappear to talk with citizens about the war. If that ever happened on a subway is not known.
Gary Oldman is not given as much credit as he deserves. In my opinion he is the greatest actor of all time. There are a lot of great actors out there but they all still come across as themselves in every role they play. Oldman can completely transform himself. It is amazing to see. And I'd say Daniel Day Lewis comes in second place.
Husband was right: in the U.K. and Ireland, the V sign for victory is done with two fingers with your palm facing out, but two fingers with your palm facing in toward you means "F* off!"
Oldman is amazing.
Absolutely
Also there are some inaccuracies, our Navy had already lined up the boats earlier and on their own so it wasn't actually his idea. The meeting with the people on the train never happened and nor did the King visit him.
Nor was Churchill ever being "ousted" by his cabinet, there were frustrations, but there was no record/evidence of this, he pretty much had their backing.
His famous speech happened on June 4th, not May 28th, after celebrating saving the soldiers at Dunkirk, from what I've read.
He also had many different secretaries not just one.
I like that Oldman played both Churchill and Harry Truman in “Oppenheimer.”
Frenchman 1: he's delusional.
Frenchman 2: he's English.
Me: you're god damned right! 😆
It really is true, thats how you flip people off in England. Legend has it the gesture began with archers during a war with France. They would make the gesture to show the enemy they had two fingers to pull the bow string back with, and "we're going to get you."
If you wanna see a GREAT WW I movie from the Aussie side. Go watch Galipoli starring a young Mel Gibson. Incredible film. All of us growing up in Australia had to watch it in High School
Apparently there's account that the underground scene happened like that and probably didn't. He was known to "disappear" and show up somewhere in London speaking to the people during the war however. The thing that most people don't remember about the early days of WWII, and definitely before Pearl Harbor, was that the US didn't have the industry churning out tanks and planes or have a lot of men in arms. So there's not much we could have done early on. FDR was trying to arm countries in Europe when and where he could for a year or so. Then we ended up having to fight across two oceans. I always find it interesting when America is criticized for not doing enough early in WWI or WWII, but we had a very large German population and Ireland didn't want anything to do with it for a while either. So the UK had to fight off an multi month air campaign from Germany basically alone... except for some American volunteers and supplies. You can find a video of Churchill speaking in front of the US Congress on RUclips and it's very cool to hear his voice and see his mannerisms. Also, people should read George Washington's farewell address to the country before he left office. He makes a very specific comment on why America should stay out of European affairs, and this letter was read in every public school for a long time and it did have an influence on how people thought.
My father used to tell me that our soldiers used cardboard tubes to train to use bazookas; tanks were trucks with the word "tank" painted on them, and other such substitutions because we didn't have the military supplies before the war. A depression was on, Democrats were in charge, and the one place they love cutting to fund their socialist programs is the military.
The “Eagle Squadron” American volunteers in the RAF were a very small number, there were far more Polish, Czech, French and Belgian pilots, along with Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, South African, Indian and Caribbean pilots, than American.
America took advantage of the war. It sold weapons to the UK at inflated prices, with loans that had massive interest rates. America has never been a friend to the UK or any other country.
My favourite Oldman role was as Bex in The Firm.
I have read that they wanted to send the two Princesses to Canada. The Queen said they could not go without her, she could not leave without the King and the King would never leave.
I DOES mean "Up Yours!" Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7, 1941, so the U.S. didn't come into The War for another 19 months. England was alone, until Germany invaded the Soviet Union June 22, 1941. In the estimation of most reputable historians, Churchill saved Western Civilization. Hard to beat that. Churchill went off on his own more than once, but there is no record of anything resembling the depiction of Churchill in The Tube in this film.
Yeah it's a bit sad that the scene on the tube didn't happen IRL but I'm sure on those outings that he took that he definitely spoke to some of the everyday populace so I think the scene could be considered a faithful creative leap
The US didnt do anything until late 1942.
The Tube scene was used with creative license to depict Churchill's embodiment of the national will to resist.
The phone conversation with FDR seems pretty representative of the time. Congress was against getting involved, so FDR was constrained even though he wanted to help. So he found loopholes. One of those was building airfields on the American/Canadian border. In order to get around the congressional decision that we couldn't deliver war equipment, we instead flew the planes to the border airfield, left it there, then had Canadian teams pull it across the border where it could be flown to an eastern Canadian city to be refueled before flying across the Atlantic. It really was an ingenious loophole.
Really enjoyed this reaction from you guys and its made me want to watch the film myself as I've been thinking about it for a while, also my grandfather was captured during the evacuation of Dunkirk he was in the 4th Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry and was captured at the battle of Cassel and spent the rest of the war as a POW at Stalag XXB in Poland, and like so many others he never talked about it to anyone he did mention he was put on the long march from Poland as the Russians advanced towards Berlin.
Yeah, it's a great performance - as you suspected, the tube train thing is utter nonsense. Churchill wrote that he only every attempted to use the tube once during a general strink in 1926 and managed to get hopelessly lost. He was an incredible figure and a national hero - but 'man of the people'? Emphatically not.
3:48 - although is done for theatrical value; the hat on the chair is a nice touch. If you look closely and the back of the bench behind each politician you will see a little "prayer card" containing their name. By long standing convention in the House of Commons if you attend morning prayers you can "reserve" a seat in the commons by placing one of these cards in the little frame.
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." WInston Churchill, June 4, 1940
Are you sure that wasn’t Robin Hood addressing his me.man (who had an uncanny resemblance to Carey Elews) in the 15th century
Sticking two fingers up with palm facing towards yourself means "fk off" to whoever you aim it at. The other way around means "peace". But at the time, when churchill used the gesture, (palm towards himself) it didn't mean "fk off" it meant V for victory.
An excellent "what it was like" series was done by the British called _'Danger: UXB'_ which was available as a DVD box set, which I have since I thought it was a good show when it was broadcast.....but I don't know if it is available on any of the streaming services.
Damn good series.
@@keithrose6931 Yes indeed. I may have to set some time aside this weekend to watch some episodes.
It was through this series that I learned of the existence of the 'butterfly' bombs.
Yes, flicking the "V" at someone is the UKs middle finger. It means "up yours"
Reverse v is V for Victory
You should couple this with Dunkirk. They work well together showing that point in history.
Gary Oldman is one of the gifted actors to ever do it 💯
That speech at the end is classic!!!!!
After the speech 'we shall fight on the beaches' he said to his aide next to him ' and we shall fight them with the butt ends of broken beer bottles because that's bloody well all weve got'
The Battle of Britain 1969 takes up where this movie ends..... Epic air battles.
The most important part of the climactic speech is when he states that the Royal Navy will keep on fighting even if Britain were to fall. This was important because FDR wanted to know that if the US joined the war, Britain wouldn't surrender and leave us to fight by ourselves. That was the big part of the speech. Now people view it as some rallying cry that motivated people, but it was not actually broadcast anywhere at the time. That was a speech for Parliament and FDR.
You can see the actual speech on RUclips as well as many great moments. The great series The World at War is there. It is narrated by Laurence Olivier and covers the complete war. Churchill was the man of the century totally superior to FDR. World War II and the Civil War sell the most books. I enjoy you both. My only problem is when you have a live chat. I cannot enter my comments after I write them and don't know why.
Which Civil War? The English Civil War? The Spanish Civil War?
America has never had a civil war... yet.
@@Hiraghm The American Civil War from 1861-1865. It is also called the War Between the States.
Thanks guys i really love this movie. Churchill was a major player in ww1 as well first lord of the admiralty ( secretary of the navy) was blamed on a disastrous campaign. Quit joined the army seved as a colonel in the trenches, then was brought back to parliament and was appointed minister of war ( defense secretary) he was unpopular with some because he was a member of two different parties. Liberal Democrat then conservative. ( he said if your not liberal by 25 you have no heart if your not conservative by 35 you have no brain)
Brooklyn here!!!! Wow guys!! I watched this about 4 weeks ago. Gary Oldman puts on a performance of life time in this film. It was so good I didn't even knew it was him until the ending. ♥️
Ironically the question was about France, and the V sign originated in the 100 year war with France. The French hated the English longbow archers as it was so effective that any longbowmen captured by the French would have those 2 fingers cut off. So at the start of battles the rows of English archers would show the V sign to the French to tease them by showing they still have their fingers with which to draw their bows.
Yes that’s how you flip people off in the UK. The back of the head should face the person you’re directing it. It comes from when the French used to cut the bow draw fingers off of the British archers. It’s a way of saying F you I still have mine.
please, please, please, please react to the HBO movie "INTO THE STORM." Brendan Gleason is identical to Churchill and it's the absolute best Churchill movie ever, much better than this. I like Gary Oldman a lot but he doesn't sound like Churchill here. PLEASE watch "Hbo's INTO THE STORM". You gotta make sure to search for the "Churchill into the storm" one because in 2020 Hbo did some insane radical leftist documentary called Q. Into the Storm. IGNORE THAT. It's liberal propaganda
Do Crocodile Dundee!!
My favorite Churchill quote was from an exchange with Lady Astor, who loathed him:
Astor: Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your tea,
Churchill: Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.
My grandad was a sailor. Spent his sick leave doing the Dunkirk run.
14:02 the imagery and metaphors in this movie are amazing. Just as in life Churchill is focused on his writings (he wrote several books) when suddenly 100% of his attention is forced away and on to a red menace.
23:18 In the darkest hour when when Churchill is forced into appeasment with Germany. He is in the room upset there is a single dim light in a dark room. Then, when the King offers his support, there are suddenly 2 light sources. Beautiful imagery.
Gary Oldman defiantly earned his Academy Award with this film. Should have been like his fifth Oscar though, but the Academy hasn’t really gotten it right for a good number of years in terms of nominations and wins with people and films. The fact this was Oldman’s second Oscar nomination and first win is truly mind boggling.
Englishman here: Yes, the V-sign means "up yours" in the UK and Commonwealth Anglosphere. It has to be with the back of the hand toward the recipient. If it's the palm facing outward, it becomes "peace" or "victory".
Mr Movies, just as me, I consider Gary Oldman one of my all time favorite actors ( top 5), you really gotta watch at least Gary Oldman performances (if you haven't seen it yet) in ''Sid & Nancy'' as Sid Vicious (1986), the BBC tv movie ''The Firm'' as Clive '''Bex'' Bissell (1988) and as Jackie Flannery in ''State of Grace'' (1990). Greetings from the Netherlands.
17:48 aside from revelling in war profiteering, up until the outcome was already decided and they wanted a piece of the spoils..
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has said this. But, I've been on a Churchill diet most of this Memorial Day weekend. America was doing EVERYTHING we could for England except for giving them military equipment. Our Merchant Mariners were getting sunk at an alarming rate sending supplies across the Atlantic before we got into the war, and once we did. Well... back to back World Champs for a reason.
Edit: I believe Churchill is quoted saying that after the Pearl Harbor attack, "We have just won the war."
Lily James as Pamela Anderson in Pam & Tommy is absolutely incredible. An amazing performance. If she doesn’t win for best actress in a drama series I’ll be shocked.
Thank you for reacting to this. So now comes the Battle of Britain. This is when the RAF held back Hitlers plans for the invasion of our island. There is a good documentary, 13 Hours that Saved Britain, that you might find interesting. That summer another WW11 legend was born, the Spitfire. We live near where there are occasional flights of a Spitfire. To see it’s silhouette up in a blue sky and to hear it’s engine brings on goosebumps to this day.
Or she could just watch the excellent movie "The Battle of Britain" (1969) with it's spectacular flying sequences.
This is without a doubt one of the greatest films I’ve seen in a long time.
It is how you flip people off.
If you were an archer and were captured by the enemy, it was a practice for your enemy to cut off your index and middle finger to keep you from drawing a bow again. At the Battle of Agincourt the British archers showed their first and middle fingers to the French in defiance, telling them they weren't afraid.
'That's how you flip people off. That can't be right.' Throughout Chuchill's public career a 'nice' description of him could be summed up a 'a cheeky bugger'. As a historian I find it ironic that Churchill was a bit of a trial to his secretaries, Hitler was 'a perfect gentleman' to his... Also flying newly produced in the USA fighterplanes up to the Canadian Border and pushing them over...to then be flown transatlantic to Britain was a thing that happened. 1939-1940-early 1941 was definitely the Darkest Hour for Britain.
The two fingers is the equivalent of the middle finger. It is how you flip people off in Britain.
Yes, the "V" gesture is the Brit version of flipping someone off. A V for Victory gesture has the palm facing the other person. The "V" gesture that means F.O. shows the back of the hand to the other person.
The v sign was first used by medieval bowman because if caught they would have there fingers cut off so they could not use a bow. They showed the v sign as a message to the enemy
@@johanschmidt3228 That is a bit of a myth. They might well have done that after the French threatened to cut off their bow fingers, and enjoyed the two meanings, but there is some evidence that the middle finger gesture that dated back to at least the Romans, was doubled by showing two fingers.
"If you're going through hell, keep going."
PS Dunkirk was May 1940 - while Pearl Harbour was Dec 1941. V for "f*** off" is supposed to related to a the French - it was the longbow mans draw fingers (which the French liked to cut off!).
Churchill lead an interesting life - and of course had an American mother! Took part in one of last great cavalry charges with the 21st Lancers at the Battle of Omdurman. Became a reporter and covered the Boar War, and was captured, was interned and escaped! Chopped and changed his politics - is often held responsible for the disaster at Gallipoli in WW1 - the idea largely came from him, but not any operational control. Resigned from government in 1915 the re-joined the Army - serving in the trenches with the 2nd Grenadier Guards and later the 6th Royal Scots Fusiliers
What about you guys change the name of the channel to "You Me and da Boobies"?
I think it fits better
A good follow up on the King (George VI) in those days is "The Kings Speech" Colin Firth in the title role
Yes f off ( but also victory or reverse hand peace) it originated from the hundred years war , French said the would cut the fingers off English archers captured, before the battle the arcchers gave them the fingers. ( act of defiance)
LOL! I don't know about anybody else, but when I was young, the V-sign with the back of the hand facing somebody didn't mean 'victory,' it meant something else! I always thought 'Victory' was the same as the peace sign; with the palm outward, towards others?
Winston Churchill is the greatest Briton to ever live. Rule Britannia ! 🇬🇧👑
Left eye wink for sure. LMMFAO!!!
It's so much more funny than the right eye.
The classic, but now old film, "The Battle of Britain" from the 1960's - would also give you a better viewpoint of what happened in the early days of WW2 . . . And there is also a documentary on YT - "The 13 Hours That Saved Britain" as well . . . if you both wished to aid your knowledge of it any further . . .
'The Outsider' (2020) HBO series would definitely be up your street. It's brilliant. (Based on a Stephen King novel. Like a cross between Midnight Mass and The Conjuring. Only 10 episodes.)
the V's hand gesture was done by bowmen to show the French they still had bow fingers. hence they could kill the French. when the french cought British archers they cut these two fingers off. it is a taunt.