The Golden Ratio Applied To Delay Pedals (Crazy Maths Involved!) [Pedalboard Tips #37]
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After playing with the golden ratio function on my Strymon DIG, I wanted to know more about it.
So I made the complete task of gathering all the info and calculation needed to recreate the golden ratio with my current delay pedals.
If you were looking for the best way to stack delays for the fullest swells, look no further!
Hope you won't be too confused with all those numbers (but I'm sure you'll like the sounds!).
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The less scenic route is - if you wish to determine the delay time of the shorter delay multiply the longer delay value by 0.618 (inverse of 1.618) - if determining the delay time of the longer delay multiply the shorter delay value by 1.618. No matter what units. No need to do any unit conversion calisthenics. Ratios are unit agnostic. e.g. 60 bpm x 0.618 = 37.08 bpm. Cheers.
On the faster tempos give it the most amazing dreamy pseudo reverb sound, very useful.
This is interesting but you would have to apply the golden ratio to the amplitude of the second delay pedal also. For each repeat on the 1st pedal the 2nd pedal would have to decrease in amplitude by the golden ratio to create that spiral effect. You could cause it to increase but you would run out of headroom very quickly.
This would need some clever algorithm. At the moment you just have 2 delay lines running in parallel with equal volume creating a repeating skipping effect.
I will place a phaser effect with panning to my 6 parallel delays times ... and a spiral delay/reverb effect can be created. You could apply an "Auto-filter" effect too...
I never new I was going to be learning math on this channel
I had a pigtronix echolution that had a preset for golden ration delays. I never really used it much but is sounds really cool here. Something like this might be easier to setup in a DAW using vst delays
This is also fun the other way around with the fast delay first and the slower delay second...
I'm not sure which is better. Sometimes I like the long one 1st, other times the shorter one.
The real fun is matching the feedback/decay.
first sound: 6:30
second sound: 7:47
Strymon DIG not demoed
This is not a Strymon Dig Demo. This is a video about the Golden Ratio. You can view my Strymon Dig Demo here, thanks!: ruclips.net/video/9b75kHIqzoU/видео.html
Merci bien, mon ami! A bientôt 😁
Great explanation, but a little complicated, no? Why not just divide the tempo by 1.618? This way you could sync the tempo to any song with quick, easy math.
Interesting stuff, but I am glad that my delay pedal can figure this out by itself ;-)
That was awesome! I got the timeline and the dig, there was no el capistan on the only store that sells strymon products here in Peru, I'll get it next month when it arrives, AND that formula is amazing! I don't know how you only got 75 likes on this video, definitely a thumbs up bro! Keep it up!
Hey, you can participate in my giveaway to win a Strymon El Capistan, it ends tomorrow! Maybe you can win ;)
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I’m obsessed with golden ratio delay....great video by the way
Math is truly the language of creation! It looks like the two delays are in series with the faster tempo delay feeding the slower tempo delay, as opposed to the delays being in parallel, is that correct? I have been loving your channel, thanks!
Late to the party here by a few years... Thanks for sharing. This should be fun to try with a Boss RE-20 and a POD 2.0! :) I'll probably try it with Ableton plugins also. Cheers.
Antoine, This is very helpful. Merci beaucoup
37.08 x 2 = 74,16 not 75,6 ?
The results are pretty fun
This will be a challenge for my Carbon Copy and my Echosex delay pedals, as they lack tap tempo or a readout of ms.
Heh, even my Mirror Image Delay doesn't have those features, but it does have several possible control parameter combinations.
This man just made a reverb out of delays
It's like God's Reverb.
I experiment with manual adjusting one delay relatively to the other and there is some ratio, that enjoy the most, espesially playing triplets of bigger delay time. And seems like it is exactly the golden ratio)
Very good information thanks for sharing 👍
This was actually very helpful. Thanks.
That was super satisfying.
I did it with 6 different delay times ... in series, and switchable with time change in the opposite, like a mirror. d1-d2-d3 ... switch ... d6-d5-d4-d3 .... and switchable on / off for any independent pedal ... (GT-1000) sounds incredible. I still don't try the idea with delays in parallel, or in stereo.
I have stumbled upon this same ratio with two cheap delays. I have a Donner Yellow Fall, with a maximum 600 ms, and getting a Donner White Tape with 1,000 ms. With Both of them set to maximum delay, I am very close to the ratio. Isn't this also close to the dotted eighth setting?
The golden ratio can be used to create a geometric spiral that implodes upon itself infinitely. That's why it works so well for this purpose. Thanks for the tip!
Sounds similar to the Fibonacci series.
NB: I do not know math.
amazing video bro!
Thanks Antoine, I never knew, music had the Golden Ratio! Kind of like the Fibonacci ratio in math. Sounds great.
SO AWESOME MAN. Thanks so much.
Thanks very much for this, will try out on my Mooer Ocean Machine which also displays the ms on screen :)
Beautiful!
Great Video! Are these just quarter note delays stacked then? Does the Strymon Timeline have this Golden Ratio setting on its dual delay setting?
Useful stuff, thanks! I’ll try out on my el Capistan and TC Flashback
Gonna have to try this now. My M13 has ms readout...
Hey man, I recently discover your channel, really enjoy your lessons and tips, thank you for sharing, what cables do you recomend for making short length but clean and noiseless TR stereo splitting in a guitar pedalboard?
Mann the volume swells
I agree with you Antoine. The digital is indeed more versatile.
I think that was pretty "swell" :o)
Wow
Use an old boss gt-10 with double delay effect. :-)
What happens when I apply this to more than two delays?
Thanks! I remember telling my math teacher. "I don't need to pass Math" I am going to be a guitar player........wrong!
J'ai cette option sur ma Source Audio Collider (avec l'app) mais je ne comprenais pas à quoi ça correspondait.
What is colligen??? I don't understand, although I do understand devil up
Collision, to collide. Meaning the delays are boucing against each other.
Maybe the traduction was too literal from french to english and it doesn't mean exactly the same thing in english? Add my accent on top and you're in for a lot of fun ;)
Thanks for explaining, and yes it was fun!!
Does it matter which tempo/delay goes first?
Probably not, but easy enough to find out. Just pick one and tap.
What are you talking about? Just play into Boss DM2 and you got a great sound
Hello, Is it possible to do this same thing or similar to do the swells and make collide the repeats, with delays without the tap tempo function? Merci.
You would need to have a screen that shows you the amount of milliseconds if you're not using a tap tempo. If not, it's not going to be accurate!
Antoine Michaud what a shame! I bought a meet Maude but it doesn’t have a screen neither tap tempo, and it’s very dark, well... thank you, Antoine!
Is there a formula for three delays???
Yes. Money.
Amazing but you forgot to apply the same ratio to the feedback.
Is that accent from Québec?
Je ne peux rien te cacher!
Hahaha! J'aurais parier! Cool channel. Continue comme ça, je subscribe.
I can't even do long division.
The pedal does all this for me, right? I don't need to brain?
I know Fibonacci series, that's it. And addition/subtraction/multiplication (but that's pushing it).
This is the type of nonsensical fun that the boss dd-500 is perfect for. That stupid thing has so many parameters....you could dual delay your golden ratio and then further modulate the whole thing according to the golden ratio. I might try that for fun...see if I can get my bassman to collapse into a singularity and destroy the neighborhood.
If you are gonna use the golden ratio. Ya gotta play in 432hz
well it sound almost like an eighteenth note together with dotted eighteenth note. no?
i didnt know coach Freddie Roach plays guitar.. Boxing coach during the day. guitar nerd at night..
sometimes I am not sure if you are ironic or not
One of these days, Pink Floyd will Meddle about with this.
That was triplets
Oh god, It's been a year since I've haven't seen him. He used to go to my french school to teach things. I'm cringing at my last comment I made in one of his videos that I have deleted.
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This is simply a rabbit hole no musician would ever consider going down. Only nerdy music producers. BTW your Metronome is horribly out of focus. This video is 4 years old so no fixing it at this point.
I farted