Supercharging A Kia EV9 Shows That Tesla Isn't Ready For The 800V Revolution... Yet.
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2024
- If you were hoping that Supercharger access would revolutionize EV charging, well... There are a few things you should know. If you have a "400V" EV then yep, Superchargers are the place to go for reliable charging with short cords and free adapters. If on the other hand you have an 800V EV like a Lucid, Porsche, or a Kia, Hyundai, or Genesis... Then things are a bit different. You see, V3 Superchargers don't natively put out the voltage required to charge your battery. Yep, even on 800V EVs that aren't actually 800V like this Kia EV9. In order to charge, these EVs have to boost the voltage using an onboard DC-DC conversion circuit that not only reduces charging efficiency, it reduced charging speeds dramatically. 10-80% in 20 minutes? Try an hour if you're low voltage charging....
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Since some of you asked: Yes the battery was fully conditioned. No, it wouldn't matter actually. We tested it with a cold battery the next day and the charge rate was the same. The limit is the DC-DC boost circuit, not the battery temp.
Fast charging isn't everything
Are you sure the car is the limiting factor? I drive an EV6 RWD large battery in Europe where we have had access to Tesla chargers for almost 2 years. If I go to a Tesla v2 charger I can get around 100 kw but I only tried it a couple times and had other cars charging so not sure if the limit was the station or the car. I have tried more times charging on v3 chargers (much more common here) and I consistently get 420 volts * 100 amps = 42 kw (I have car scanner) at any battery level and also where I was alone or near alone at the station. The car for sure is not limited to 100 amps proven at v2 stations. It must be the charger or some communication issue. I have talked to Kia, they said they are aware and the issue is on Tesla but of course that could just be something they say. I haven’t been able to get Tesla to explain it. I have given up and don’t go to Tesla anymore, we have many other options here but it would be nice to have Tesla chargers as backup. Thanks for bringing this topic up. I hope Tesla will offer 800v charging now the truck is out.
@@tomm5936ccs2?
Car is a limit factor on EA, too, which juices only up to 100 kW on a 20% battery and pre. conditioned!!!!
@@ahadzyad which car? I have seen videos here where the EV6 will go to the max of about 230 kw almost immediately also when at very low SOC.
“…assuming the EA station works, of course” you made me snort! 😂😂
As long as they are installing more EA stations and the Mach-Es and VWs migrate over to Tesla chargers, this is still good for Genesis / Kia / Hyundai EV owners.
Good luck prying anyone with a free charging account away from exclusively using EA stations.
@@newscoulomb3705 A lot of the 1 and 2 year plans are expiring from the 2022 EV boom, so there's hope. VWs are the most annoying with 3 year plans and slow charging, but it's their network, so I don't expect that to go away.
@newscoulomb3705
Hey Eric...true story, I ran into a guy at an EA station (Florida) with his Ioniq5 and he was bound and determined to go to 100% no matter how long it took!!😂
There were a couple cars lined up so it added a few minutes to our wait time but no biggie...we are retired!
We did our 20 minute charge and got out of there!
Have good day!
Cheers
Mike and Ally🇨🇦
The Cybertruck even has problems charging on the V3 Superchargers.
Meanwhile my $80k Lucid Air only charges at 50kw on superchargers...
Yep. It's a problem...
That shows a total lack of foresight by Lucid. Relying on only 800 volt chargers is a total head scratcher.
@@junehanzawa5165 Not really. Almost all CCS chargers support 1000V charging and there was no realistic expectation that Tesla would open their network at the time the vehicles were built. Also, Tesla has said 1000V is the future and all V4 and later stations will be 1000V.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide It's fair to say they couldn't have predicted Tesla opening the SC network, but they could also have done more here. Splitting the pack like VAG(P) does would have provided flexibility. Porsche clearly saw the benefit to doing it, so it's hard to give Lucid a complete pass here.
@AAutoBuyersGuide Tesla has been saying they will open their network for well of half a decade now. They opened it in Europe nearly 3 years ago now. It has taken Tesla just over a decade now to get their network installations to this point. It will be many, many years before V4's come even close to the number of V3's out there. They are still installing them on pre-permited sites. And the few V4 stalls out there still use V3 chargers. Banking just on EA and other CCS to bail you out is putting all your eggs in one basket. In business, that's called a total lack of foresight. There's no reason that pack should not have been designed to split in two from the start, or have added a more robust voltage down converter.
With our Ioniq 5 I’ve gotten 97 kW on a Magic Dock equipped Supercharger. That is still better than the 50-75 kW possible on many of the DC fast chargers in rural areas of Colorado. Ironically most the current Magic Dock locations in Colorado are right next to ChargePoint Express stations capable of 200 kW with an Ioniq 5. I still appreciate having an alternative in places (Moab) where Magic Dock is the only CCS option for many miles.
Yep, the Ioniq 5 will charge faster because it has a power powerful rear motor and the charging speed is dependent on the DC-DC conversion capability of the rear motor's electronics.
97kW on a 77kWh pack is much better charging experience than 84kW on a 100kWh pack.
On the Chargepoint paired CPE250 chargers, they're marketed as 125kW but for 400v cars they only get 75-80kW. The Ioniq 5 can nearly max it out which makes for a nice charging stop.
Reminds me of my 7000 mile roadtrip in my Chevy Bolt. I’m just counting on more Ford and Rivian drivers using Tesla Superchargers, which will leave more CCS chargers available for the Hyundai, Kia, Genesis and Lucid vehicles.
So it just held 84kW all the way to 80%? Not too bad. I'm curious what voltage the EV9 is requesting from the Supercharger. Bjorn Nyland had a video of a Hyundai Ioniq 5 charging at a 400v Kempower. It requested max voltage from the station and step it up from there. Supposedly, supercharger max out at 480v. So is the EV9 requesting 84 kW at 480v and 175amp continuous and using the onboard hardware to step up the voltage as it charges?
Tesla needs to hurry up and roll out V4 Superchargers in the U.S. those will solve the 800 volt (even though the EV9 is not 800 volt) issues. The Cybertruck needs the V4 as well.
Tesla can't even afford to keep its workers working and you think they should hurry up and spend billions they don't have???? Genius!
@@TxChristopher their charging division is separate from the vehicle division. So, yes, try again.
The cybertruck at least was smart and has a split battery pack system allowing it to charge fast even @ 400v.
Can you share where to get more info about using the rear motor and inverter to step up the voltage? i haven't seen anything concrete. Is the battery an "800V" system but the motors are only 400V? so the inverter reduces from 800 to 400 and then to AC?
The egmp vehicles use the rear motor inverter. It most likely takes the dc, converts it to ac, steps the voltage up and rectifies it back to dc at the correct voltage for the battery, hence the power limitation. All the hv components in the egmp vehicles are rated for their native voltage, but Hyundai designed the vehicles to be backwards compatible with older or lower voltage dc chargers.
I took a quick-and-dirty toll of the "Magic Dock" Superchargers around our area, and the Kia, Hyundai, and Genesis EVs seemed to average a ~97 kW rate. The good news is that the rate remains fairly stead. Yes, that's much slower than at EA 350kW chargers, but… I guess it'll do in a pinch.
Curious if you have tried the one in Los Gatos yet? It just opened recently and is supposedly V4. I need to try it with my EV6 one of these days but haven't gotten around to it.
Let us know if you try it. I also have an EV6 in the Bay Area and am curious.
Ev6 driver here too. Let’s know how it goes.
I think an important point that was glossed over for a long time is that, in North America, almost every public charger faster than 50 kW has always been 800 V capable. Tesla really did go off on their own with their 400 V standard, but as we're now seeing with bigger battery and 800 V EVs, that was a bit shortsighted. I really don't think Tesla even needs V4 at this point. They just need to figure out how to double the cabinets at their V4 sites and enable both higher power (180 kW average power per stall instead of the current ~90 kW) and 800 V charging.
Do you even know what you're talking about? All 50kw chargers are 400 volts or less as are most 100kw and 120kw chargers. Tesla was the first to provide more than 50kw with their V1's at 72kw, then 150kw if not shared with V2's, and finally 250kw on all V3's. And all V4's offer 1000v max and a theoretical 600kw max, although the stalls are still paired with V3 chargers. Once V4 chargers are upgraded, they will support the max that current EVs support of 350kw.
@@junehanzawa5165 What does "faster than" mean to you? Because I did not say "equal to or greater than."
Also, no, 50 kW chargers are not less than 400 V. Also, no, most 100 kW chargers are not 400 V. Also, functioning "100 kW" (really, 80 kW) CCS prototypes were unveiled six months before Tesla opened their first Supercharger. Also, while each V3 stall is capable of dispensing ~250 kW of peak power, only 360 kW of total power is dedicated to every four V3 stalls (if the site isn't full or the cars aren't pulling full power, that's not always apparent to the end user).
@newscoulomb3705 All V3 stations load balance after the initial charger supporting the 4 stalls max out. So unless, let's say, 12 EV arrive at a 12 stall site all with very low SoC arrive and all 12 plug in at the same time on all 12 stalls, you get the maximum you're supposed to get. Yes, you're going to get a bit less power if the whole site is full, but we've gotten the full 250kw or close to it for some time when we've been at a full site. That's because all 12 EVs are at different states of charge and are, for the most part, receiving what they are supposed to be receiving. Those that are close to 80% receive less, and those with very low SoC receive more. That the brilliance of their site designs.
As for 100kw chargers that are 800v, please provide one we can look up and confirm.
@@junehanzawa5165 None of your explanation changes the fact that at a site level, there's only 90 kW of power per V3 stall. If you still hit 250 kW at a full site, good for you. It just means a number of people are pulling significantly less than 90 kW.
As for 100 kW chargers at 800 V, the most common currently being deployed is the Delta City Charger, which is listed at up to 1000 V output. Another common 100 kW unit is the BTC Power HPCT-100, which is listed at up to 950 V output. The CPE 250 is a sub-100 kW (62.5 kW), and based on the tech sheets, it's 31.25 kW modules can be run in series, allowing up to 1000 V output.
@newscoulomb3705 The Delta City chargers are CCS2, not CCS1. That's because Europe uses 240 volts with three phase while North America uses 120 volts single phase. It's 1000 volts because they navilitely use higher voltage three phase electricity over there. I was reffering to North America 100kw chargers.
As for the BTC HPCT-100, that's a 400 volts (500 max) architecture. As is the BTC HPCT-125. You have to step up to the HPCT-150 to get the 800 volts (950 max) version. EA uses some of the latter for their 150kw chargers (meaning their architecture), which is why they are in reality 175kw despite their 150kw labeling. So no, the 100kw and 125kw are NOT 800 volts. Those are also very new models, similar to the Kempower modular models. They did not exist years ago when the V3's began being designed and deployed.
Just curious, have you ever charged at a Supercharger? If so, in anything younger than the original Model S or the LFP Model 3 with tops out at 170kw? I have never heard of anyone charging at only 90kw on a V3 on very low SoC even with a full site. In fact, I have never heard of anyone getting under 200kw on a capable Tesla with very low SoC even in a full site.
Hi Alex, did you precondition the battery some time before showing up, I believe this model has manual battery precondition.
It’s automatic if you have a destination set, but yes it was conditioned, but no, it would not actually matter, and the rate with the unconditioned battery is the same
@@EVBuyersGuide Well the problem with this design of the battery pack is it is a lower voltage than the 77.4KWH Ioniq 5, EV6 and GV60, those seem to hit 104KW max on Tesla's magic docks. Unfortunate we cannot escape physics, lower voltage at a set current only results in less KW delivery.
@@berthogendoorn2133 It's not the pack voltage at play, it's the rear power control module design. Th rear motor and therefore the rear power module is rated for more power in the Ioniq 5 and EV6, etc. A future EV9 GT (we all know its coming) will convert more power.
Sub-100kW charging power is a problem in general for electric vehicles like the EV9 and Mustang Mach-E. Until charging times to 80% or higher is reduced to 15 minutes or less, there's going to be a significant layer of resistance from drivers to transitioning away from ICE.
Still a better option than using a 50 kW DCFC unit: which are installed in great numbers across North America. Much cheaper to install and provision than 150 kW+.
@@JohnRoss1 50kW isn’t cheap at all considering there isn’t much grant money available to build them now.
Most egmp vehicles charge 10-80% in 18 minutes. The big battery EV9 does it in 24 minutes. The limitation in this case is the fact that Superchargers are designed for Teslas, not Hyundai/Kia, and since the vast majority of Teslas are 400V, their chargers are designed for 400V.
Another good reason for the 400 V architecture on Mercedes EQ. My EQS charges happily at 150kw at the magic dock.😂 10 to 90 in 30 min or so since the EQ charges at close to 100 kw all the way to almost 90. The EQS is a charging champ.
800V is the next logical step and makes sense but it's more of an evolution than a revolution.
My Lightning charged at 148kw at a magic dock!
Yeah, only the V4 Superchargers will put out up to 1000V. Will need to wait until Q1 2025 when Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are allowed on Tesla Superchargers and adapters are given out. On V3 superchargers, the max speed is 105 kW for e-GMP vehicles.
Technologies take time to improve, just like how automobiles slowly phased out the horse and buggy, but eventually gas guzzler like the horse will rarely be used.
I’d rather have the capability and have access to more places than to not have it at all. A lot of camping areas I’ve seen have superchargers waaay closer than the nearest high power CCS capable station
When you buy non-Tesla EV you buy just the car w/o charging network. The reason many choose Teslas over other car brand is the supercharger network…
V4 Superchargers accommodate higher voltage so as they roll out this problem should go away
Perhaps, Kia is not ready for Tesla Supercharging network?
As a Tesla owner - what is that giant adapter? Is that the "magic dock"? Haven't seen those around here I don't think. Are they being retrofitted into existing Super charger stations?
Yes that’s the magic dock. Yes they have been retrofitted on a few locations. I think Tesla will stop retrofitting now they have adaptors and Tesla will allow access on most v3 chargers.
It's like EV mileage. I knock 60 miles off the listed range for a road trip. I add 25 minutes to the stated charge time.
Good video - certainly not ideal yet, and you should look for V4 (cabinet and 800V hardware) magic dock install to see what the future holds if possible. However, for a quick 20kWh top up while you spend 15 minutes on a break to make it to your destination, it might be an okay option, especially if the EA station is down. Thanks for parking to the right of the rightmost stall, you are being the perfect guest ;)
Yeah, I’ll take what speed I can get at a tesla station that I know will always be working versus NO speed that I usually get at Electrify America
Just an FYI. Two 350kW EA statons did not charge above 80 to 100 kW on a 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 6, which was at 30% battery and battery conditioned prior to arrival to EA. So it is just not Tesla supercharger.
It's strange but if you were to be *just* under 30% then faster charging speeds kick in, try it again when under 30%... I saw an Ionic 5 right next to my EV6 and since I had started charging at 52% I only hit ~114kw, but when I peeked over at the Ionic 5 station it was over 280kw. A guy in a BMW iX told me that under 30% starting SoC is when the fastest speeds kick in.
I have the same thing in Europe - Slovakia - Trenčín. Tesla Supercharger and Kia EV9 GT-Line.
avoid tesla chargers. Ionity and others offer 200kw+ charge speeds. Front of Brno Kika there is one that confirmed with 150kw charging speed, just configure your satnav to avoid tesla and only use HPC
@@efem I have Ionity near Trenčín. I wanted to try Tesla. In case of emergency, it's good to know that Tesla works for me.
Maybe Hyundai/Kia should rethink the NACS thing…
That's terribly slow but if that's all that's available It's better than running out.
Most people park sideways like that in Toronto so no big one. LOL
So conclusion? Tesla chargers are all that and a bag of chips.
Maybe Hyundai-Kia should have installed their own charging network years ago?
DC charging ıs also a problem ın some slow runnıng ports
You’re using “nominal” wrong, half of the time.
the adaptor is limited, once Kia has native nacs itll be faster
Nope, not the case. Other vehicles can charge at 200+ kW on magic dock. The low voltage from the charger needing to be stepped up by the car is 100% the problem.
Superchargers are reliable… too bad they’re still all limited to slow 400v charging, even though rigs like the Cybertruck are natively 800v too.
The CyberTruck doesn't use the motor inverters as a transformer so it can pull the full 250KW. It doesn't actually need a transformer because instead the 800v pack splits into 2 400V packs, which makes the charging efficiency higher, because of loss in step-up/setp-down. It's basically the oposite of the Hummer EV which IMHO is the dumbest thing ever made. It uses 800V charging (more like 740v) and 370V drive units. Thats what you get when you outsource all your critical components for the "Ultium platform" and thats also why Tesla has already made more CyberTrucks then GM made Hummer EVs in it's first 2 years of production.
It's honestly kinda sad, because Ive seen the hummer in person, and it looks pretty good... until the suspension fails after a week.
Yup and even the Cybertruck has issues at V3 Superchargers. Tesla needs to hurry up and roll out true V4 Superchargers already!
@user-fl4pi2ut9c my statement still stands that it has issues at V3 chargers. Mainly you cannot just hop out and immediately charge, you have wait until it "switches over to 400v" and the cables barely reach even if you back up all the way.
@@angryGTS I'm only seeing minor issues. CT charges at 250 kW but will de-rate when handle gets hot. Not a huge issue, but V4s will help things along
@Techridr
Minor problems with a CT is still problems, hell the CT isn't even ready yet, doesn't even have autopilot yet (unless it finally got the update) and the charging curve is currently even worse than every other Tesla vehicle but thats a different subject. V4 will actually support high voltage vehicles. I'm hoping these quasi V4 superchargers going up by me will be turned on to be real V4 superchargers sooner than later. Hopefully, Tesla will upgrade current V3 stations as well, especially if they want the extra business these high voltage vehicles will bring.
Isn't a Supercharger a Telsa thing, not for the competition yet. I would use the EA charger first...
He explains the Tesla Supercharger MagicDock (of which there are about 50 locations in North America), has a built in adapter for non-Teslas that any CCS EV can use today.
That Supercharger says $0.47/kWh but right now for me it says $0.35, so I guess non-Tesla customers pay a 1/3rd premium.
Yep, non Tesla owners pay a premium or you can get a monthly subscription to get a reduced rate.
Glad that I will buy a Kia EV9 GT Line.
After telling everyone that you were buying an Outlander PHEV, now you are telling everyone that you are buying an EV9?
Or a Mustang Mach-E GT?
Maybe because the vehicle did not precondition its battery for a fast charge?
Nope, the battery was fully conditioned. However, it would not have mattered because the battery will max at 84 kW hot or cold or anywhere between due to the voltage conversion circuitry.
It is not a car problem. It is the Tesla charger problem. Why?
Just charging in EA charger.
It's a shame that as far ahead as the Hyundai/Kia group is over the rest of legacy, that they still use the rear motor inverter (basically regening) to convert down to 400 volts. That's going to hurt them in the near term. Others use other options, such as splitting the 800 volts pack in two to bring it down to 400 volts, so they get the full power on V3 Superchargers.
Using the rear motor rather than a contactor is more reliable, lighter and honestly simpler. The 800/400V split packs we see in GMs SUVs have caused issues when they or the control software has failed leaving the vehicle unable to move. Even if the contactor in this system failed you'd be able to move and still AC charge.
@AAutoBuyersGuide You're talking about GM. They can't even get their software to work properly. Or get a fast charging EV on the market until now. Others do it without issues. Case and point, the Cybertruck. You can also go with a more robust converter. Even Kia knows that. That's why their G80 can get up to 122kw on a magic dock. Still not good enough, but significantly better. I have no doubts they'll get there on their next generations, but should have been done from the start.
The rear motor inverter is an elegantly simple solution. A driver getting 97kW for their EGMP car with a 77kWh pack at a Supercharger results in a fair but unimpressive charging experience since the car holds 97kW flat past 80%.
Kia sells their car based on paper specs, there is no need to deploy 800V if you don't put money behind the network. Tesla has the network, so they don't care
Kia EV9 isn't an 800v architecture.
problem with kia evs that in case of battery damage or if it dies and similar replacing costs more then new car
I think EA get a worse rep than it deserves. Not perfect but I've only had 1-2 issues total, none of which I wasn't able to eventualy fix. Plus you get 2+ years of free charging at EA. Good to know Tesla is available as an emergency backup.
I did slightly better in an Ioniq 5, 97 kW. It was petty sustained. Still nothing like EA.
So what you're really saying is that your
I don't think this is a Tesla problem. Besides the roll-out of V4 chargers, only some brands have this issue. other 800+ volt vehicles get the max charge rate supported by the adapter, and Cyber Truck and Lucid both have an 800V battery that can split into 2 400V packs to claim the 250KW power of existing stations. While it's unfortunate Kia and Hyundai owners only get these speeds, part of that is due to cost savings by re-using inverters, and it can be assumed that you are spending less on your vehicle as result.
Bolt owners often know 50KW is a cost savings measure and are willing to make the sacrifice for a 2nd car.
It seems like any EV with 800V architecture will have to charge out of necessity at Tesla superchargers which I guess is better than none. Even the V4 looks like they are going to be 400V and the Cyber truck has the pack split in 400V for max power. Tesla is not going to worry about the 800V EVs as they are not mainstream.
V4 stations are all 1000v capable according to Tesla
The EV9 has a 560 Volt Lithium Ion battery pack, and NOT the 800 volt pack of the EGMP platform. This is why it's charging performance isn't as good as Ioniq5/EV.
As I clearly state in the video, NONE of the E-GMP platform vehicles has an 800V pack. Most are around ~600-650V.
Tesla at fault for not working properly with other manufacturers vehicles....... The cytruck is 800v and works fine at the 400v sites. Perhaps KIA should have consulted more to work out the issues.
Yeah that is terribly slow.
Tesla fault not building 800 volt charges station. Shame on you Tesla!!!!
Further proof that if you can’t charge at home there isn’t a huge savings. $35 and it was only at 80%. The equivalent amount of gas would have likely been around $50 and have taken you farther than the EV range. It’s not possible to get close to breaking even on the additional upfront EV cost without charging at home the vast majority of the time.
But that’s what most EV buyers do, they charge at home. So, it’s worth it to 9 out of 10 EV owners.
That's without the 30% savings that the Tesla membership provides. So if you don't have home charging, or are on the road often, it pays for itself after just one charge.
I've driven a Kia Soul EV for almost five years now and have used a commercial charger all of three times. The rest of the time I charge at home, at an annual cost of about $150.
So well worth the EV investment.
EV's are like diesels, it's a wet dream that you will ever recover the up front cost difference through mileage savings. Only fools buy into such nonsense!
I charged up my Longe Range Model Y from 8% to 90% for $0.22/kW at a Supercharger over the weekend. Paid about $13.5 for the 61.5 kWh. That’s a range of just over 250 miles or just over 400 kms. And if you can home charge then it’s even cheaper. And of course a great feeling that I have zero emissions…or oil changes…or whatever else needs replacement on an ICE vehicle…or getting gauged for repairs I don’t need. But this is the biggest OR: or needing to worry about increasing gas prices.
Only ford and rivian are approved by Tesla so far.
Kia jumped way ahead of the technology. Don’t blame Tesla. Kia could have build their own network of chargers. 😂
Keep calm and drive TESLAs
Complaints about the Tesla superchargers? Then don't use them!!!
So it's a Kia problem not a Tesla problem. I've used a Magic Dock to charge my Polestar 2 and pulled 155Kw
Once the Superchargers are upgraded to support 800v vehicles, they will be the GOAT. :-)
EA is a joke anymore. Three years ago, they worked much better than today. The one in Hammond, Louisiana, has all four stations inoperative today. One has been out of service for a month!
But not today because they have new EA chargers if you live in a state like California or any other state.
Idk, I’ve traveled all over the country and I’m not impressed with EA.
They'll likely go out of business or be bought out by a more compitent group. They have been pretty much clueless and uncommitted to maintaining their network from the start. They try, but nowhere near as much as they should. No having an idling fee until very recently (and only after a 10 minutes grace period) shows their mismanagement, and total lack of understanding of running a network.
@@junehanzawa5165 I agree! I went to a ChargePoint and it worked perfectly.
charging a non tesla its as bad as driving a suburban in fuel economy. Electrify America is even worse with their ridiculous fees and if anyone with common sense actually did the math you would see that quickly
Good lord you paid 47 cents per kWh.
Wtf.
Assuming a large SUV of this size gets 25mpg at 3.50 a gallon this is no cheaper than fuel.
35$ LOL I can go far with my Prius prime with 35$ of gaz
How in world is this a Tesla problem?
🤔 buy an EV that has no native charging infrastructure 🤡🤡🤡.
Tesla builds chargers for their vehicles 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
i don't want to say it, and $35, stab me already
Title should be “How car the industry fooled consumers to buy into marketing strategies (aka false promises)instead using common sense.”
Why would Kia/Hyundai make their own charging station that fulfills the promise of their products ? When they can just take your money and keep it in their pockets?
Why would TESLA help the competitors in allowing their customers use Tesla chargers? To lose its supercharging advantage ?
No way!
Musk wants you all to experience and give a lesson how you invested in wrong car company, he needs you all to feel the inconvenience , slower speeds and higher cost for energy vs tesla owner charging at supercharger. Now you all see the superiority of TESLA over the entire car industry… except BYD….
As a Tesla owner I say if you don't like it go charge on kias charging network we don't want you anyway... Oh wait they don't have one. So why would they make a car that's not compatible with the largest/best charging network then beg to use it?? Seems like a Kia problem not a supercharger problem.
So basically, if your going to get an EV... get a Tesla 🤔
Soo you are talking only about the situation in US ?
In other countries we have CCS 2 chargers which are more advanced then the NACS system
I think you should thank your luck arse that you can charge your crappy vehicle on such a robust Tesla charging network.
ALSO! You forgot to mention the almost 200,000 Kia and Hyundai vehicles, ABSOLUTELY ALL OF THEM, RECALL on faulty charge controllers!
Not to mention the $50,000 dollar out of warranty main battery replacement.
You would absolutely have to have rocks between your ears to buy anything but a Tesla!
Buy a Tesla or use the KIA charging network
Seems like Tesla "Supercharrgers" aren't that Super after all. They are already outdated technology. IMHO Going to a Tesla "Supercharger" is only good if there are no other options and you need to charge.
Glad that I prefer the Kia and use the V3 Supercharger.
V4 Super chargers support 1000V, and this is because Kia chose to use the Rear Drive unit as a transformer. CyberTruck which is also 800V charges at 250KW and it doesn't need an inverter. It just splits the pack into 2 400V packs, meaning there is no loss in conversion.
You know, like a company would do if they were good at making EVs.
Kia cooks their battery BTW. I wonder what that'll do to degradation in a few years.
"That Tesla Isn't Ready For The 800V Revolution"? There is no revolution. Tesla's charge just fine. Kia built EVs that had no reliable charging for them. There I fixed the title for you.
Superchargers were designed for Tesla’s… they work just fine on Tesla’s… opening them up to other vehicles is a benefit regardless of the charge rate because the other charging stations out there are unreliable at best… quite complaining or just quit using them.. can’t have everything….
I am not surprised. Tesla is getting more and more behind the EV competition.
Even in pure tech
$35 for 10% to 80% refill that takes over an hour? I don't think I ever pay that much for a 100% gas refill that's over in 3 minutes! Frankly, until you can match this with EVs don't even bother, and I will certainly vote against anyone who's trying to force this 废话 down my throat.
Normally it takes about 5 seconds and few bucks for 0 -> 100% fill at home.
You only ever do things like this if you're road tripping or driving like crazy.
But yet you don't object of the government mandate that all legacy vehicles can only be sold to flippers called dealers. What do you think about that mandate?
@@redhat421 "Road tripping" is what cars are for.
@@junehanzawa5165 I am not familiar with this one. Is this a regulation or a law? In which state? It may have something to do with ensuring that the said "legacy" vehicles are road worthy.
@zdzislawmeglicki2262 All 50 states have these monopolistic laws forced by auto dealership association bought policticians. Look it up. All legacy automakers are forced to sell their vehicles to flippers who then have 100% say on the price.
I don't put a penny in Elon Musk's pocket!
Kia EV9 advertises 10% to 80%, 70 kWh in 24 minutes at 800V.
70 kWh / 24 minutes * 60 min/hr = 175 kW max charge rate at 800V.
So you are charging at 48% of advertised max rate.
Actually it peaks at 210 kw (but yes, averages 175 kw over that run) on an EA station. The lower rate here is not a factor of the voltage per se, its a factor of the onboard conversion circuit which is only capable of 84 kw. There is no particular reason that Kia couldn't beef things up and convert 200+ kw aside from the cost. It's a balance of cost/demand here.
@@EVBuyersGuide100% correct. This is totally on Kia. They knew this was coming.