@@awsumaustin7650 they're technically a different organisation. Since, for one, Catholics/Irish couldn't join the RUC (until 1998) but they can technically join the psni. They tend to try to cover up RUC crimes all the same, but it is supposed to be a different organisation
@@violet7773 dont know who told you we couldnt join, we could, we just didnt want to and still dont, psni social/sports club in belfast still has ruc branding everywhere. they only rebranded for show lol
Hell I’d heard about the RUC when I was a kid in the 80’s. I had a weird obsession with world history and current events. The Catholics and Protestants were quite busy back in those days
My Granda was walking up Donegal Street one night on his way home from the pub when some guy with an army jacket and long hair was following him. A black taxi pulled and told him to get in so instead he ran and the guy driving the taxi got out to try and chase him. Granda is a fast runner so he got away but about 15 years ago when he and I were in a second hand book shop, he opened a book on the Shankil Butchers and the colour drained from his face because he recognised the mug shot of Basher Bates as the guy who was following him up Donegal Street. If he got into the taxi that night he'd have been another victim and I might not have been born. Scary shit.
Bobby Basher Bates was sentenced to natural life in 1979, ( later released along with other " lifer's ), His photo was on the news everyday during his sentencing, so your Granda would have seen his photo, long before the second hand bookshop !
@ShoJ369 my grandfather was born between wwi and WII. The man doesn't read or watch the news. Same with my grandma. Stop projecting today's need to know with back then. Most people then just didn't care what was happening if it wasn't literally on their block.
My dad grew up on the falls road during the troubles and has many stories about that time, one of them being a real sad story about one of the victims of these evil ppl. A 19 yo young man was kidnapped and tortured by Lenny and 2 others late one night. He was tied to a chair and endured his nails and teeth being ripped out with pliers and slashes across his body. Then one of the men got a call and the 3 of them left suddenly, saying they'd be back soon. Somehow the teen managed to untie himself and escape out a second story window. Severely injured and terrified for his life, ran to the nearest house slamming on the front door pleading for his life to let him in. This was around 1 or 2am at this stage, but luckily an old lady answered the door and let him in. Clearly severely injured, told this innocent looking old lady what had happened and to call for help. Well, she did make a call, but to the shock and horror of the poor young man, it wasn't the police she rang. It was the uvf she called, letting them know about the teen who escaped their house and was now in hers. Shortly after, the 3 men returned, was directed by the old lady to the teen and dragged him back, where they finished what they started. He was found in a ditch a few days later with his throat slit. To this day my dad says he has never met such an evil, wicked, horrible old bitch like that old woman, who KNOWINGLY sent that poor young man to his grave, and such an unassuming, innocent old looking woman at that.
@@theRhinsRanger To quote Hitchens Razer - "what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". The onus is upon those making a claim to prove it, not upon others to debunk it. However, with regards to this particular tale the only 19 year old killed by the Shankill Butchers was a Protestant UVF member who was shot so as told the story is demonstrably false. It certainly wouldn't surprise me to find something similar happened or that such stories were commonplace, the Shankill Butchers were something akin to Jack the Ripper with regards to the fear they spread.
I went to Belfast about 20 years ago and I was surprised that there was a bunch of murals that honored what we would call terrorists today. To be fair, they also honor the victims. They may be trying to honor all the lives just to move on in peace. Not sure how it is now.
@@Onora619Ah, good ol’ both sidesing. The IRA are terrorists, but apparently the left is afraid of that word now. Even saw the NYT refer to the Taliban as “militants.”
@GrievousReborn to be honest Simon is known for searching the pronunciations, so it does seem strange he just overlooked taig. but you do know he *is* from the UK yeah? food for thought. I'm from scotland and I've heard taig before so the chances he has (which Simon has had 10 more years on this earth than myself) heard the term is pretty high.
I was confused at first, since where I’m from in Canada, ”tag” is already pronounced ”tayg”, but then Simon said the word and I understood. It’s like the word ”tad”, but with a g at the end.
If anyone is wondering why there's a ferris wheel next to the Crumlin jail, it's a tourist attraction now. You can have your office dinner there now and there's also stuff on at Halloween for kids like a haunted house etc
I'm sure there were a few that would have but who to? They wouldn't have any confidence in reporting them to the ruc as most of them would just have given their names straight to the butchers!
Well unless u wanted to join the victims you would not dare say a word cus it puts you and your family at major risk you can't move to a Catholic area so unless u leave Ireland your screwed
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They killed several protestants and loyalists, even people from their own group or neighbourhood. The mere suspicion you said anything would get you tortured and killed.
No like Most UVF and UDA members were government informers lol, this is common knowledge , why do you think Murphy wasn't arrested even after they found the teeth and blood in his own house, the reason for him getting acquitted of the Packs murder, causing a disturbance in a lineup, was farcical , loyalists had to get the IRA to murder him ffs
As someone from Belfast, my dad was a child living on the Shankill Road when the Butchers were active, this definitely deserves a full Casual Criminalist episode. They stood out even amongst a period where murders, bombings, and terror attacks were nearly every day occurrences. That is a chilling thought.
I remember that in the 80s the news used to focus on the violence by the IRA. Only after the accords more stories started to be reported about the violence from the other side. This provides a different perspective on just how bad the troubles were and why there is still tension there. It's impossibly hard to forgive such cruelty...
I would guess it was a combination of the British press seeing the loyalists as "on our side" and the fact that acts committed in Belfast at the time did not get as much attention as those committed in other parts of the UK which was mostly done by the IRA
The IRA killed larger numbers of people for the entirety of the conflict in every bit as despicable manners as the shankill butchers difference is those people were never found again. The only time loyalists started to have a higher body count was in the early 90’s when it is said the IRA men in certain areas were too scared to stay in the same house 2 nights in a row incase the UFF or the UVF came calling. This is what ultimately led to peace in Northern Ireland as for the first time in the entire conflict republicans were in the receiving end of extreme violence. Earlier in the conflict both these groups existed and killed people but it was usually non involved catholics that were targeted in unsophisticated drive by shooting type attacks. Whereas in the 90’s loyalists had infiltrated all the various security forces which meant they could get more accurate information on republican targets and they were more than willing to go after them.
@@scotc6Tell yourself that, as they continue to march through innocent neighborhoods, burning bonfires and effigies of the pope. Loyalists are nothing better than the KKK.
I went to London in 1992. Everywhere you went, the Police would check your bags with a bomb sniffer. I left Euston station one afternoon and put the telly on in my hotel room. There was a live action feed from Euston Station of a suspicious abandoned bag that actually turned out to be a bomb. As an Australian, that kind of stuff freaked me out. Stuff like that just didn't happen where I grew up.
@@outlander_... going into town was normal to get searched, I remember going to the boxing club and the army throwing me onto the ground then pulling everything out of my bag and throwing all my stuff onto the wet rainy ground, never felt so violated in my life
The time of the butchers was before I was born but it was fairly close to where I live. My mother said one of the victims was an older man and when he was found had been so badly tortured, teeth removed etc, they thought he looked like a young boy......
Murphy pulled his teeth out and asked a UVF killer to find out how name "When I entered, the man was beyond talking, he was mangled, " They searched his house, found the teeth, and didn't arrest him
The Shankill Butchers' reign of terror left a lasting scar on Belfast's history. Their actions exemplified the brutal sectarian violence that characterized the Troubles in Northern Ireland. The gang's notoriety has been the subject of various books and documentaries, including Martin Dillon's "The Shankill Butchers: A Case Study of Mass Murder," which provides an in-depth analysis of their crimes and the societal context in which they occurred.
Northern Irelands history made me not believe in religion, my Ma was a Prodestant and my Da was Catholic, letting me choose whatever I wanted and I chose nothing, hard to believe in God with a history like this.
@@Hellooooo-kq1hb I see your point and honestly I'm not a huge fan of organised religion. A lot of people portray the troubles as a conflict that arose over Religion, bigotry etc. But to be fair, it really wasn't.. it just so happened that the two groups that were in conflict the Nationalists and the Unionists were primarily either Catholic in the case of the Nationalists and Republicans or Protestant in the case of the Unionists and Loyalists. But religion itself was never really the direct cause. I feel its important to make that distinction. The Troubles in its most recent incarnation 69-98 was in my opinion primarily about human rights.. and a result of the prejudice the native Catholic population were suffering under the Protestant ruling class. NI was really like an apartheid state not very long ago.. everything was tied up by the Protestant ruling class. Employment, housing, money, land.. while things are much better, the effects of this are still evident even today. All the best farm lands were taken from the indigenous Gaelic chieftains. I often wonder why there isn't any discussion about "land back" programs similar to those in USA, New Zealand etc where the lands are repatriated back to their original owners who were violently forced off them. Even the voting system was rigged. Not even a democracy just a few decades ago. A business owner had three times the voting power.. and practically all the businesses were owned by Protestant Unionist people. The fight was for equality and basic human rights. It wasn't to do with religious bigotry.. but of course, a conflict were two groups are so clearly defined, even if by something such as religion, does lead to such things.
@Sinnerboy88 clarify that Republicans were not unionists You mean Nationalists and Republicans were majority Catholic and loyalists and unionists are protestants.
I read the late Rangers keeper Andy Goram's book,he at the time knew little about the troubles,he was at a fans convention or something similar over in Northern Ireland,he was introduced to one of the Shankill butchers,the guy said this is so and so he was one of the Shankill butchers,Goram being unaware at the time asked him hows buisness thinking he was an actual butcher,he said it didn’t go down to well.
It's always so strange to me seeing youtubers who cover mainly topics that happen in much more largerly occupied countries mention / talk about NI. Especially crimes that take place here, all in all we a pretty insignifigent country. Also Taig is pronounced T-aye-guh. Lived in and around people from west belfast all my life, also lived near the shankill road most of my life. The terrifying thing about the butchers is how, all in all. They got away pretty much scott free
Thanks for covering this. Im a Catholic from Scotland. A protestant friend told me a story about an elderly self righteous old women in her congregation. The old woman recounted after a prayer meeting that she had seen a guy on the roof of her neighbours house carrying out repairs early in the Covid lockdown. She was incensed that the man, in her eyes had disobeyed the lock down rules. She said i was willing him to fall of that roof and end himself. She told this story like it was a normal reaction to the man working on the roof. The irony here is that the old woman is from a sect of Protestantism called Calvinism, old Calvin believed no one had free will, yet the old woman was willing the demise of another. Incidentally that is the historic scottish sect of protestantism in n.ireland brought over by Scottish protestants. Scotland has more lodges than N.Ireland.
My da:s cousin was a victim. I remember going to the wake and funeral and we weren't allowed to take off the lid because he was so bad. Sad and scary days. Went home recently after 18 years for a visit. Great to see the difference and what a transformation.
It's a lovely gentle song If you dont listen to the lyrics or know what the title means you might think its about a lovely spring day. But the lyrics blast that innocence away.
NI resident here- really enjoyed the episode. One small correction - and I cannot believe I'm about to correct the pronunciation of a slur, but it's broadly said as "tauge" / "tay-eg" as if it rhymes with the hague.
Jesus ty I couldn't think of a word that rhymes better. I would say blade or something but in our accent it's be said differently Also vague could have worked 😂😂😂
I do take exception to you highlighting the disappeared in the same context as the butchers given there are very different in circumstances to which they occurred, not trying to justify one murder over another but I would not see any relevance or link between in two in the overall course of that period in my country's history !!
Lifted off the streets, tortured, dumped like a dog..... Not much difference.... Well the difference being the butchers took strangers... The disappeared were taken by their neighbours
Big fan of The Casual Criminalist but didn't know this channel existed - clicked on this video as I'm from the north of Ireland and wanted to see how it was handled, was pleasantly surprised to see you Simon! Great video. PS, your pronunciations of Monaghan and Taig made me snort lol
The Decemberists have a great song about the Shankill Butchers. "The Shankill butchers ride tonight You better shut your windows tight They're sharpening their cleavers and their knives And taking all their whiskey by the pint"
There used to be a children's programme on UTV at the time called The Romper Room. The torture chamber used by these thugs to abuse their victims was called the Romper room by the Butchers.
One thing of note that is mainly just a grammatical error, it's Shankill not Shankhill. It seems to be only a pronunciation issue for English people, the most famous case I'm aware of being madlad Ross Kemp.
@JayM-wg7dd seancill is quite close to Shankill just less k. The word Seancill means old church as you are probably aware and Shankill is named after AN old church so it's all pretty similar
Im Irish. I did Honors history for the leaving cert. Why have i not heard of these monsters. Thank you Simon and your researchers for spreading information on all history. Wit hopes of honouring murdered & hopefully recognising from history when it is happening again. 🙏
Okay it has been over 15 years ago from my learning. And it was all put into uvf atrocity. But I'm sure we were not informed of the real evil done. We were told a really watered-down retelling.
Because in the south you hear nothing of what we suffered up here that's,why you all think we aren't really Irish and the troubles were only something that happened in books but not the books you read. The free state needs to be taught all Irish history not just Cromwell etc
@@outlander_... Tf are you talking about thw best brigade in the troubles was south armagh which was led by a wexford man and 60 percent of its members from munster trained by irish army It's you living under british education system not us we don't need too be told what we know or don't know I've done history in college this man is Talking bs
@Trueghh jesus christ m8 calm ur knickers. None of that means Jack shit to any of us and our daily lives or the daily lives of our parents etc. Give peace a chance m8.
I don't know how I feel about this. It's making me rethink all the true crime I consume when I'm cleaning. This was our lives. Wow. Families of murder victims really must be so saddened by people just using their loved ones murders as fodder for entertainment.
Simon, about Jimmy Nesbitt's book, remember that at the time of the Shankill Butcher murders and the Troubles at large, the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland) did _not_ exist. In its place was the RUC (Royal Ulster Constabulary).
First of all no protastant died the same way as catholics by knife, and no one ever tells the truth some of these murders where done in clubs in front of audience's who didn't mind watching torcher
My mum moved from the ardoyne to Germany to the UK, her stories are crazy, she had to hide under a car while a street was under attack, her best mate was deaf and couldn't hear the army shouting hault so they killed him. He was 16 years old. My mum is strong. She hates weakness, doesn't do affection well. At 70 she still runs the streets lol
If you're visiting Belfast, I *highly* recommend booking a black taxi tour -- you'll never know what side the drivers fell on, but they share their experiences of real life as ordinary people during the Troubles, while also showing you some really important spots in Belfast. It's amazing to hear from someone who was actually there then, and IMHO incredibly important to recognize how recently this all happened.
I went on the black cab tour, the tour guide was incredibly knowledgeable and it was one of the most eye opening experiences I've ever had well worth it. I was really nervous being from England but they just want to get their side of the story across and are very appreciative that you listen with respect.
@@brendanmaguire4134 Probably the UVF leaders. From what I gather they set at least some of the Butchers up. I think they gave information to the Republican groups to assassinate Murphy anyways.
A common story told is that one of the victims escaped the butchers, ran to a nearby house, and told the elderly woman living there about his ordeal. She called her grandson, who was one of the butchers, and the man was murdered. The loyalist community knew full well who the butchers were, as did the sectarian police force, many of the gang were part time members of the Ulster Defence Regiment, a state auxillary, underlining the sectarian nature of not just loyalists, but british policy in the North. If the Butchers were IRA men, they would be infinitely better known amongst the british.
13:27 - Tell me you're just reading off a script, with no prior knowledge of your subject matter, without telling me you're just reading off a script, with no prior knowledge of your subject matter. Everyone knows it was the RUC, not the PSNI, who undertook this case.
Also can i just say, just because some fellas in stormont signed the agreement doesn’t mean anything changed. The paramilitaries are atill a clear and present danger to our younger generations.
Yeah but only In loyalist areas.. The Ra has gone and will only be back if the people want to. There is NO IRA if the nationalist community says theres not. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND as in loyalists areas..
Take a walk to the peacewall and you will see the gates being locked every night. More scripts looking at the island of Ireland. Simon taking a run up at pronunciation is wonderful. Say Nothing is an amazing book
I asked for this topic a while ago and I'm so glad it's been covered, I'll forgive the pronunciations and not knowing the name of police changed and will suggest another topic although some may find it ropey as politics seems to be despised by some and it is another troubles story... Bloody Friday. (there was no mention 8n this video about the body found across from the police station and if the police aren't wanting to solve a crime let's be honest why would a civilian risk their life trying to report it?) I am also a Belfast resident 🤣
@ferretyluv Oh yeah cause that's what totally defines similar looks is whether they both have a uniform or not. Look at his face man. Similar head shape, jaw line, and smile.
I had a chance to visit Belfast, Derry/Londonderry, and Dublin for a study abroad class centered around The Troubles (part of a Master’s program). We did visit Shankill and also had a waitress at a Belfast restaurant from the Shankill area. The stories and history, regardless of levels of infamy, was overwhelming at times with each being important to beginning to understand The Troubles. And fwiw, I loved the time I spent in both Belfast & Derry/Londonderry.
@ hahahaha in fairness, I say ‘Derry’ in everyday speak, but as I’m a Yank and not a native Norn, my opinion doesn’t matter that much and say both, just outta respect by being an outsider 😂
As someone in northern england, what happened was disgusting and the Shankhill Butchers should never have been released. There are some animals that deserve to remain chained up.
Sectarianism in N Ireland was imported from Britain, it was and remains a British strategy rather than an Irish malady. There is also another tenuous link with the North of England, Shankill butchers and Yorkshire ripper or Wearside Jack ,to be specific. The Pitchfork murders of Andrew Murray and Michael Naan by the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders.This , hidden, story typifies what went on in Ireland and was for obvious reasons, never intended to come to Maybe you might let me know what you think, if you can find it that is.
@@foo219and be shocked at Nanking. They had to remove John Rabe for diplomatic reasons and because Hitler was irritated at his actions having angered high ranking members of the IJA, but members of his cabinet and some party leaders were shocked by the brutality and chaotic enthusiasm for violence. Even the SS was surprised by how bad how it was, and there was a major branch solely dedicated to running the camps.😳
Yep. When you look into it, it doesn't take much to see that the UVF and Butchers were MUCH worse than the IRA. I would even argue that the British Army and RUC were just as bad the IRA too
@@lunartears6761 I still can't get over the fact that one of history's greatest humanitarians was also a card carrying and proud member of the Nazi Party. You know things are barbaric when even the SS are like "Tone it down a bit, lads!"
Some people just thrive off of times of chaos. Keep your head up, your ears open, your mouth shut and if something doesn't smell or taste right ? Leave.
Good to see some content from where Im from only thing that’s wrong is it wasn’t psni it was ruc back then and its taig not tag but easy mistake keep up good content bro
Yeah, its funny how people in Britain largely are acutely aware of the crimes and atrocities of Irish Republican groups yet are largely unaware of the absolute heinous things done in the name of the British state by its agents and allies.... Luckily these days there are a couple of good documentaries that cover some of this on streaming, including Alex Gibneys No Stone Unturned and Unquiet Graves. (btw, "Taig" rhymes with Hague, or Plague its an anglicised of Tágh, the Gaeilgé version of "Tim" a popular name among Irish boys in the 19th and early 20th centuries, less popular these days, at least in the North, due to its essentially becoming a slur).
@@BounceBackBelfast They were there before the planters came and took the land, thats good enough. Vikings Normans English all assimilated with the Irish before the horrible scottish planters came over, they hate Ireland and Irish people, the language.. anything to do with being Irish. Which is ironic as over in Scotland they will sell souvenirs with Gaelic on them, they are also called Paddys in the British army and use an Irish wolfhound as a mascot, very strange deluded people.
Because the British state run the media and it was the state who were running the entire 30+ years of the mayhem, war, destruction and atrocities. Or the MEDIA'S NAME ( the troubles ).... ✌
@ it’s simple, the British government and establishment only wanted people to believe Republicans caused all the violence whilst ignoring the British supporting Loyalists and their acts of savagery
@TheScaryTruthCatalyst Dig deep enough and you'll probably find that they were behind most of them and if they weren't involved, they knew and done nothing to stop it.
In the annals of torture killers i.e. murderers who took on a physical role in the torture and murder of another person, Lenny Murphy is up there with Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Fred and Rose West, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka, Randy Kraft, David Parker Ray, John Wayne Gacy, Bob Berdella, Dennis Rader, Dean Corll, and Larry Eyler.
I worked in Belfast in the late 90s at Harland and wolf. I met a guy there who was allegedly in that group He came across as a sociable fella but came and went as he pleased at the yard. It was only when I questioned his comeing and goings without reproach from the management that I was informed of his background .
My Father worked in Belfast all during the Troubles on building sites. Every morning there was a Loyalist paramilitary man would be at the site waiting on the protection money. He had to be paid before work could start or the worked would be killed. It was a very scary time to be working in Belfast but he had to do it for the money. Especially in the Loyalist areas as my father was from Catholic background. He was always scared of the paramilitaries and the Shankill butchers. He said one time he was walking down the Shankill road at lunchtime to go to a corner shop to get some lunch and he wasn't really looking where he was going and he looked up and he saw this great big butcher with a big cleaver in his hand. My father almost died of fright. 😄 I don' know if anyone remembers them but it was one of those big life size "butcher man" statue things you used to see outside butcher shops years ago with the apron and the hat and the moustache and cleaver. Due to my Dad thinking about the Shankill butcher killing it terrified him for a moment until he realised what it was. 🤭
Belfast resident here, PSNI did not exist during the troubles, it was the RUC back then.
Equally ineffective and thuggish .
Yeah,loyalist thugs!
Cashel,Dublin City
Semantic. Two sides of the same coin. We still call them the RUC in some parts lf the North.
@@richardshiggins704Actually they were a lot worse. At the start of the troubles members of the RUC were involved in the riots and burning of houses
@@OnlyGrans69Yeah, in dissident hellhole ghetto estates.
Northern Irish resident here, the PSNI didn't exist until 2001, the police back then was known as the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC).
Seems like it did exist, just had a different name. He's using their current name
Did you just see the other comment and copy it word for word?
@@awsumaustin7650 they're technically a different organisation. Since, for one, Catholics/Irish couldn't join the RUC (until 1998) but they can technically join the psni. They tend to try to cover up RUC crimes all the same, but it is supposed to be a different organisation
@@violet7773 dont know who told you we couldnt join, we could, we just didnt want to and still dont, psni social/sports club in belfast still has ruc branding everywhere. they only rebranded for show lol
Hell I’d heard about the RUC when I was a kid in the 80’s. I had a weird obsession with world history and current events. The Catholics and Protestants were quite busy back in those days
My Granda was walking up Donegal Street one night on his way home from the pub when some guy with an army jacket and long hair was following him. A black taxi pulled and told him to get in so instead he ran and the guy driving the taxi got out to try and chase him. Granda is a fast runner so he got away but about 15 years ago when he and I were in a second hand book shop, he opened a book on the Shankil Butchers and the colour drained from his face because he recognised the mug shot of Basher Bates as the guy who was following him up Donegal Street. If he got into the taxi that night he'd have been another victim and I might not have been born. Scary shit.
Bobby Basher Bates was sentenced to natural life in 1979, ( later released along with other " lifer's ), His photo was on the news everyday during his sentencing, so your Granda would have seen his photo, long before the second hand bookshop !
Sounds like a typical RUclips anecdote!
@ShoJ369 my grandfather was born between wwi and WII. The man doesn't read or watch the news. Same with my grandma. Stop projecting today's need to know with back then. Most people then just didn't care what was happening if it wasn't literally on their block.
"might not have been born". There's no might. If he'd been murdered there's a 100% chance you would not have been born.
@@ShoJ369 He did but I like farming likes
Besides a couple discrepancies, you did a good job covering this. Thank you...🇮🇪
My dad grew up on the falls road during the troubles and has many stories about that time, one of them being a real sad story about one of the victims of these evil ppl. A 19 yo young man was kidnapped and tortured by Lenny and 2 others late one night. He was tied to a chair and endured his nails and teeth being ripped out with pliers and slashes across his body.
Then one of the men got a call and the 3 of them left suddenly, saying they'd be back soon. Somehow the teen managed to untie himself and escape out a second story window. Severely injured and terrified for his life, ran to the nearest house slamming on the front door pleading for his life to let him in. This was around 1 or 2am at this stage, but luckily an old lady answered the door and let him in. Clearly severely injured, told this innocent looking old lady what had happened and to call for help.
Well, she did make a call, but to the shock and horror of the poor young man, it wasn't the police she rang. It was the uvf she called, letting them know about the teen who escaped their house and was now in hers. Shortly after, the 3 men returned, was directed by the old lady to the teen and dragged him back, where they finished what they started. He was found in a ditch a few days later with his throat slit.
To this day my dad says he has never met such an evil, wicked, horrible old bitch like that old woman, who KNOWINGLY sent that poor young man to his grave, and such an unassuming, innocent old looking woman at that.
This is just a tale, totally untrue and i will unravel it if you wanna give dates of such facts?
@ariaacheson201 debunk it then, thats important
@@theRhinsRanger To quote Hitchens Razer - "what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". The onus is upon those making a claim to prove it, not upon others to debunk it. However, with regards to this particular tale the only 19 year old killed by the Shankill Butchers was a Protestant UVF member who was shot so as told the story is demonstrably false. It certainly wouldn't surprise me to find something similar happened or that such stories were commonplace, the Shankill Butchers were something akin to Jack the Ripper with regards to the fear they spread.
@@conormcnamara-reid8926 The victim of the troubles this tale got woven with. Was Sean Monaghan, 20 who was murdered in the Woodvale area 1994...
@@skulver thank you 👍
I’ll never forget the time I saw a Troubles documentary, where a loyalist called the group “A decent bunch of lads.”
Think it was a docu by Peter Taylor
@ Correct, that’s the one.
I went to Belfast about 20 years ago and I was surprised that there was a bunch of murals that honored what we would call terrorists today.
To be fair, they also honor the victims. They may be trying to honor all the lives just to move on in peace. Not sure how it is now.
@@Onora619 there is still loads of them around and I'm from the city.
@@Onora619Ah, good ol’ both sidesing. The IRA are terrorists, but apparently the left is afraid of that word now. Even saw the NYT refer to the Taliban as “militants.”
Psychopaths thrive in such organizations.
State backed murder gangs tend to be like that, it's kinda the point.
@@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329 State backed murder gangs is a conspiracy theory straight from the ira army council ........
Great vid as usual, just a note the PSNI was only formed in 2001, was the RUC back then
different name same organization
@@soapmaker-y8d Different name, different organisation
The worst thing about living in Belfast is that these people and people like them could be your neighbours.
Where are you from?
Those people are in all neighbourhoods what's your point.
@@fredfredburger5150 maybe he meant a decent bunch of psychopaths.
That and the protestants.
@@fredfredburger5150 where are you from?
Sorry Simon but the word Taig is not pronounced Tag it’s said “Tayg” and the PSNI didn’t exit in the 70s it was the RUC.
What a surprise somebody not from a specific country doesn't know how to pronounce words from another country
@GrievousReborn to be honest Simon is known for searching the pronunciations, so it does seem strange he just overlooked taig.
but you do know he *is* from the UK yeah? food for thought. I'm from scotland and I've heard taig before so the chances he has (which Simon has had 10 more years on this earth than myself) heard the term is pretty high.
PSNI is the official successor meaning it's basically the RUC today
I was confused at first, since where I’m from in Canada, ”tag” is already pronounced ”tayg”, but then Simon said the word and I understood. It’s like the word ”tad”, but with a g at the end.
PSNI is RUC rebranding.
About time a recent doc was done on the Shankill Butchers, thanks Simon.
Great topic…I hope a longer version makes it onto the Casual Criminalist.
If anyone is wondering why there's a ferris wheel next to the Crumlin jail, it's a tourist attraction now. You can have your office dinner there now and there's also stuff on at Halloween for kids like a haunted house etc
Gallows humour turned up to 11?
Charming stuff that not a single soul decided to report them over all those years 😐
I'm sure there were a few that would have but who to? They wouldn't have any confidence in reporting them to the ruc as most of them would just have given their names straight to the butchers!
A lot of the police had allegiances to groups.
Well unless u wanted to join the victims you would not dare say a word cus it puts you and your family at major risk you can't move to a Catholic area so unless u leave Ireland your screwed
They killed several protestants and loyalists, even people from their own group or neighbourhood. The mere suspicion you said anything would get you tortured and killed.
The UK used these guys, british intelligence was well aware of who these guys were and what they done.
These lads were demons among the violence up there, and that is saying something
Because they had British government cover
@@johnscanlon2598like Stake knife?
@@johnscanlon2598bit like how your country did the same. Like how the disappeared were killed and buried down south.
No like Most UVF and UDA members were government informers lol, this is common knowledge , why do you think Murphy wasn't arrested even after they found the teeth and blood in his own house, the reason for him getting acquitted of the Packs murder, causing a disturbance in a lineup, was farcical , loyalists had to get the IRA to murder him ffs
Yeah, ask the British Government why they were letting Stakeknife murder so many innocent people
As someone from Belfast, my dad was a child living on the Shankill Road when the Butchers were active, this definitely deserves a full Casual Criminalist episode. They stood out even amongst a period where murders, bombings, and terror attacks were nearly every day occurrences. That is a chilling thought.
I remember that in the 80s the news used to focus on the violence by the IRA. Only after the accords more stories started to be reported about the violence from the other side. This provides a different perspective on just how bad the troubles were and why there is still tension there. It's impossibly hard to forgive such cruelty...
I would guess it was a combination of the British press seeing the loyalists as "on our side" and the fact that acts committed in Belfast at the time did not get as much attention as those committed in other parts of the UK which was mostly done by the IRA
The IRA killed larger numbers of people for the entirety of the conflict in every bit as despicable manners as the shankill butchers difference is those people were never found again. The only time loyalists started to have a higher body count was in the early 90’s when it is said the IRA men in certain areas were too scared to stay in the same house 2 nights in a row incase the UFF or the UVF came calling. This is what ultimately led to peace in Northern Ireland as for the first time in the entire conflict republicans were in the receiving end of extreme violence. Earlier in the conflict both these groups existed and killed people but it was usually non involved catholics that were targeted in unsophisticated drive by shooting type attacks. Whereas in the 90’s loyalists had infiltrated all the various security forces which meant they could get more accurate information on republican targets and they were more than willing to go after them.
@@scotc6 MI6 was feeding locations to the UVA ETC, basically state sanctioned murder
Maybe cause the bbc is owned by the British state lmao
@@scotc6Tell yourself that, as they continue to march through innocent neighborhoods, burning bonfires and effigies of the pope. Loyalists are nothing better than the KKK.
I went to London in 1992. Everywhere you went, the Police would check your bags with a bomb sniffer. I left Euston station one afternoon and put the telly on in my hotel room. There was a live action feed from Euston Station of a suspicious abandoned bag that actually turned out to be a bomb. As an Australian, that kind of stuff freaked me out. Stuff like that just didn't happen where I grew up.
That was London😂😂😂imagine growing up in Belfast, those checks happened when you wanted to leave your neighbourhood 😂😂
It was when we went over there and would stop at a security guard to get our bags checked and they would look at us like we were simple
@@deedyg575the ring around the town. Going into castle street. Sure you may as well be going into Castlereagh.
@@outlander_... going into town was normal to get searched, I remember going to the boxing club and the army throwing me onto the ground then pulling everything out of my bag and throwing all my stuff onto the wet rainy ground, never felt so violated in my life
@deedyg575 My uncles had the same issue. The amount of things I overheard that happened. Disgraceful I hope they all have no luck in life.
The time of the butchers was before I was born but it was fairly close to where I live. My mother said one of the victims was an older man and when he was found had been so badly tortured, teeth removed etc, they thought he looked like a young boy......
Murphy pulled his teeth out and asked a UVF killer to find out how name "When I entered, the man was beyond talking, he was mangled, "
They searched his house, found the teeth, and didn't arrest him
always been told not to answer anyone that asks my last name or where i’m from. Well, this’ll be the reason 😂
So …. Where are you from ? I’m from Telford it’s ok
@ stranger danger 🙈
Carrickfergus, about 10-15 miles out from belfast
@@domwaite9818you just told 😂
@@outlander_... the rules on the internet are different from the ones on the shankill 😂
@domwaite9818 yes much safer to give out ur details on the Shankill 😅
Great episode, have been waiting for this one for years 👍🏼
As a long time fan this is one of my favorite videos from the Commander I've watched in a while...and I watch them all.
The Shankill Butchers' reign of terror left a lasting scar on Belfast's history. Their actions exemplified the brutal sectarian violence that characterized the Troubles in Northern Ireland. The gang's notoriety has been the subject of various books and documentaries, including Martin Dillon's "The Shankill Butchers: A Case Study of Mass Murder," which provides an in-depth analysis of their crimes and the societal context in which they occurred.
That’s the book I have. Have family from Belfast, they just don’t much talk about growing up there during the height of it all
Has always amazed me how depraved a group of people can become. I asked elsewhere; how safe is anything around humans? ✌🏻❤️🙏🏻
Northern Irelands history made me not believe in religion, my Ma was a Prodestant and my Da was Catholic, letting me choose whatever I wanted and I chose nothing, hard to believe in God with a history like this.
Protestant
Religion in general is responsible for much of the pain and suffering caused throughout history.
@@Hellooooo-kq1hb I see your point and honestly I'm not a huge fan of organised religion. A lot of people portray the troubles as a conflict that arose over Religion, bigotry etc. But to be fair, it really wasn't.. it just so happened that the two groups that were in conflict the Nationalists and the Unionists were primarily either Catholic in the case of the Nationalists and Republicans or Protestant in the case of the Unionists and Loyalists. But religion itself was never really the direct cause. I feel its important to make that distinction. The Troubles in its most recent incarnation 69-98 was in my opinion primarily about human rights.. and a result of the prejudice the native Catholic population were suffering under the Protestant ruling class. NI was really like an apartheid state not very long ago.. everything was tied up by the Protestant ruling class. Employment, housing, money, land.. while things are much better, the effects of this are still evident even today. All the best farm lands were taken from the indigenous Gaelic chieftains. I often wonder why there isn't any discussion about "land back" programs similar to those in USA, New Zealand etc where the lands are repatriated back to their original owners who were violently forced off them. Even the voting system was rigged. Not even a democracy just a few decades ago. A business owner had three times the voting power.. and practically all the businesses were owned by Protestant Unionist people. The fight was for equality and basic human rights. It wasn't to do with religious bigotry.. but of course, a conflict were two groups are so clearly defined, even if by something such as religion, does lead to such things.
@Sinnerboy88 clarify that Republicans were not unionists
You mean Nationalists and Republicans were majority Catholic and loyalists and unionists are protestants.
Religion is just an excuse for the barbarity inherent within us.
Always here for more facts from our dear factboy
Not a Belfast resident here. The PSNI did not exist during The Troubles, it was the RUC back then.
I read the late Rangers keeper Andy Goram's book,he at the time knew little about the troubles,he was at a fans convention or something similar over in Northern Ireland,he was introduced to one of the Shankill butchers,the guy said this is so and so he was one of the Shankill butchers,Goram being unaware at the time asked him hows buisness thinking he was an actual butcher,he said it didn’t go down to well.
It's always so strange to me seeing youtubers who cover mainly topics that happen in much more largerly occupied countries mention / talk about NI. Especially crimes that take place here, all in all we a pretty insignifigent country. Also Taig is pronounced T-aye-guh. Lived in and around people from west belfast all my life, also lived near the shankill road most of my life. The terrifying thing about the butchers is how, all in all. They got away pretty much scott free
No they didnt,Lenny Murphy was killed and most of the rest for life sentences
Thanks for covering this. Im a Catholic from Scotland. A protestant friend told me a story about an elderly self righteous old women in her congregation. The old woman recounted after a prayer meeting that she had seen a guy on the roof of her neighbours house carrying out repairs early in the Covid lockdown. She was incensed that the man, in her eyes had disobeyed the lock down rules. She said i was willing him to fall of that roof and end himself. She told this story like it was a normal reaction to the man working on the roof. The irony here is that the old woman is from a sect of Protestantism called Calvinism, old Calvin believed no one had free will, yet the old woman was willing the demise of another.
Incidentally that is the historic scottish sect of protestantism in n.ireland brought over by Scottish protestants. Scotland has more lodges than N.Ireland.
Warders would deliberately put prisoners they wanted removed on accessible floors where they could be 'taken care of'.
Love it when the new whistle saga drops.
My da:s cousin was a victim. I remember going to the wake and funeral and we weren't allowed to take off the lid because he was so bad. Sad and scary days. Went home recently after 18 years for a visit. Great to see the difference and what a transformation.
200+ RUclips channels
And nothing but Simon Whistler
Don’t call Stephen Nolan a journalist.
The RUC knew who they were, it was common knowledge on the Shankill road
The Decemberists have a song about them.
It’s been stuck in my head since I read the title.
Ayyy wondered if I’d see a decemberists comment!
Who?
@@MachanoBakas ruclips.net/video/cLY0HNds_tE/видео.html&ab_channel=anathemaarienette
It's a lovely gentle song
If you dont listen to the lyrics or know what the title means you might think its about a lovely spring day. But the lyrics blast that innocence away.
Busy crew, Simon. I see the basement staff are at optimal functioning.
This is one of the many reasons why it’s rude to casually discuss politics in Ireland. It’s just too recent.
Noted
It's not about politics, it's about murders...
@@pizzagogo6151 Murders that were politically motivated.
@@pizzagogo6151and why were they caused? Cause of politics u dingus
As an American it seems rude to not talk about it. The Irish were held under an apartheid state by the British and fought back. Simple enough.
This is a troubling video
NI resident here- really enjoyed the episode. One small correction - and I cannot believe I'm about to correct the pronunciation of a slur, but it's broadly said as "tauge" / "tay-eg" as if it rhymes with the hague.
Jesus ty I couldn't think of a word that rhymes better. I would say blade or something but in our accent it's be said differently Also vague could have worked 😂😂😂
@outlander_... Yeah now that you say it I don't know why I didn't think of vague, rather than the Hague 😂
@megashillyshally haha I didn't think of either so you are 1 up 😄😄😄😄
"Taig" is pronounced like "Tay-gue" or "tei-gh" though is a sectarian term so not like it's commonly used
I do take exception to you highlighting the disappeared in the same context as the butchers given there are very different in circumstances to which they occurred, not trying to justify one murder over another but I would not see any relevance or link between in two in the overall course of that period in my country's history !!
Lifted off the streets, tortured, dumped like a dog..... Not much difference.... Well the difference being the butchers took strangers... The disappeared were taken by their neighbours
@@ltbot78touts, they knew what the punishment was. There’s no correlation with that and a poor innocent bloke stumbling home from the pub
@@Irishman0855 yuppp cos they were all touts, nothing to do with king tout scap saving his own arse 🙄😕 but hey ho whatever helps ya sleep at night 👍
Big fan of The Casual Criminalist but didn't know this channel existed - clicked on this video as I'm from the north of Ireland and wanted to see how it was handled, was pleasantly surprised to see you Simon! Great video.
PS, your pronunciations of Monaghan and Taig made me snort lol
As a child of two victims of the troubles these videos mean a lot. Ireland will be free one day.
Northern Ireland is free within the UK.
@koeman1873 many of us want an United Ireland
@@lambhdeargh And many of us want to remain in the UK
@@koeman1873 yet it never gets put to a vote
@lambhdeargh you know as well as I do that the majority would vote to remain in the UK
The Decemberists have a great song about the Shankill Butchers.
"The Shankill butchers ride tonight
You better shut your windows tight
They're sharpening their cleavers and their knives
And taking all their whiskey by the pint"
Way too far to find this comment
@@yagurl_ IYKYK
And now that i learned about "Gusty" I finally get the line about the wicked wind...
I rather love that I now live in a world where Simon can’t pronounce taig.
There used to be a children's programme on UTV at the time called The Romper Room. The torture chamber used by these thugs to abuse their victims was called the Romper room by the Butchers.
That was in Sandy Row.
One thing of note that is mainly just a grammatical error, it's Shankill not Shankhill. It seems to be only a pronunciation issue for English people, the most famous case I'm aware of being madlad Ross Kemp.
Yeah but it's because they separate shan from kill not shank from ill
Ironically your version is also a mispronunciation of the original Irish word Seanchill.
@JayM-wg7dd seancill is quite close to Shankill just less k. The word Seancill means old church as you are probably aware and Shankill is named after AN old church so it's all pretty similar
Would love more videos on The Troubles
You might want to watch an Irish person from the north then.
Great show if you can find it.
Once upon a time in Northern Ireland.
Unbiased and honest
finally good content again
Im Irish. I did Honors history for the leaving cert. Why have i not heard of these monsters.
Thank you Simon and your researchers for spreading information on all history. Wit hopes of honouring murdered & hopefully recognising from history when it is happening again. 🙏
Okay it has been over 15 years ago from my learning. And it was all put into uvf atrocity. But I'm sure we were not informed of the real evil done. We were told a really watered-down retelling.
The free state government didn't want you to know.
Because in the south you hear nothing of what we suffered up here that's,why you all think we aren't really Irish and the troubles were only something that happened in books but not the books you read. The free state needs to be taught all Irish history not just Cromwell etc
@@outlander_...
Tf are you talking about thw best brigade in the troubles was south armagh which was led by a wexford man and 60 percent of its members from munster trained by irish army
It's you living under british education system not us we don't need too be told what we know or don't know I've done history in college this man is Talking bs
@Trueghh jesus christ m8 calm ur knickers. None of that means Jack shit to any of us and our daily lives or the daily lives of our parents etc. Give peace a chance m8.
Nice something to listen to while i clean. Love the videos
I listened to a casual criminalist episode while baking earlier. Lol. Before I knew it, dishes were done.
I don't know how I feel about this. It's making me rethink all the true crime I consume when I'm cleaning. This was our lives. Wow. Families of murder victims really must be so saddened by people just using their loved ones murders as fodder for entertainment.
Oh believe me, some of us remember the Butchers.
Is it Just me or does Murphy Look a little bit Like Jeffrey Epstein?🤔
Great video would be good to see more videos on NI 🇬🇧 🇮🇪
You have to do a video on The Ripper Crew Simon. They were a serial killer gang operating in Chicago.
Simon, about Jimmy Nesbitt's book, remember that at the time of the Shankill Butcher murders and the Troubles at large, the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland) did _not_ exist. In its place was the RUC (Royal Ulster Constabulary).
I've heard the Decemberists song a million times but didn't realize the Shankill Butchers were a real group. Puts the lyrics in a new perspective
First of all no protastant died the same way as catholics by knife, and no one ever tells the truth some of these murders where done in clubs in front of audience's who didn't mind watching torcher
that's the wildest part of this whole shocking murder spree. truly disturbing .
Tasmania Australia resident here, great video!👍
The sectarian issue is separate from the political struggles. Wolfe Tone himself was actually protestant.
Oh my God how many channels does this man have?
Lovely fellas !
What?
One of the worst groups of killers in European history yikes
My aunt moved from Northern Ireland during the troubles she's a little mentally disturbed
We all are 🙃
I bet she is or was funny AF thou.. ✌
My mum moved from the ardoyne to Germany to the UK, her stories are crazy, she had to hide under a car while a street was under attack, her best mate was deaf and couldn't hear the army shouting hault so they killed him. He was 16 years old.
My mum is strong. She hates weakness, doesn't do affection well. At 70 she still runs the streets lol
Glad this is covered
Wow, these guys were monsters.
I NEVER thought I would hear Simon name Monaghan!
If you're visiting Belfast, I *highly* recommend booking a black taxi tour -- you'll never know what side the drivers fell on, but they share their experiences of real life as ordinary people during the Troubles, while also showing you some really important spots in Belfast. It's amazing to hear from someone who was actually there then, and IMHO incredibly important to recognize how recently this all happened.
I went on the black cab tour, the tour guide was incredibly knowledgeable and it was one of the most eye opening experiences I've ever had well worth it. I was really nervous being from England but they just want to get their side of the story across and are very appreciative that you listen with respect.
Depends on where u get the taxi m8
As a loyalist the butchers sicken me. No wonder brigade staff set them up
Whos the brigade?? Mi5
the UVF brass who ratted the butchers out to the RA
Psychos were on both sides we are all human at the end of the day.
@@brendanmaguire4134 Probably the UVF leaders. From what I gather they set at least some of the Butchers up. I think they gave information to the Republican groups to assassinate Murphy anyways.
A common story told is that one of the victims escaped the butchers, ran to a nearby house, and told the elderly woman living there about his ordeal.
She called her grandson, who was one of the butchers, and the man was murdered. The loyalist community knew full well who the butchers were, as did the sectarian police force, many of the gang were part time members of the Ulster Defence Regiment, a state auxillary, underlining the sectarian nature of not just loyalists, but british policy in the North.
If the Butchers were IRA men, they would be infinitely better known amongst the british.
Have a book about these, and was so chilling.
read the newspaper of their capture that is pictured in the video, only 2 of them were given actual life sentences
13:27 - Tell me you're just reading off a script, with no prior knowledge of your subject matter, without telling me you're just reading off a script, with no prior knowledge of your subject matter. Everyone knows it was the RUC, not the PSNI, who undertook this case.
In his other channels he fully admits he knows nothing on the subjects. Don't be too hard on him
You don't know this channel do you? That's the whole theme of what he does ffs
Also can i just say, just because some fellas in stormont signed the agreement doesn’t mean anything changed. The paramilitaries are atill a clear and present danger to our younger generations.
Yeah but only In loyalist areas..
The Ra has gone and will only be back if the people want to. There is NO IRA if the nationalist community says theres not. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND as in loyalists areas..
`I love these documentaries and think they are well researched, but Oh God Simon's pronunciations of anything (Northern) Irish is woeful.
Jeez, all you have to do is read the book "Shankhill Butchers" to get it right.
Shankill, not hill
Take a walk to the peacewall and you will see the gates being locked every night.
More scripts looking at the island of Ireland. Simon taking a run up at pronunciation is wonderful.
Say Nothing is an amazing book
How many channels does this man have!?
I asked for this topic a while ago and I'm so glad it's been covered, I'll forgive the pronunciations and not knowing the name of police changed and will suggest another topic although some may find it ropey as politics seems to be despised by some and it is another troubles story... Bloody Friday. (there was no mention 8n this video about the body found across from the police station and if the police aren't wanting to solve a crime let's be honest why would a civilian risk their life trying to report it?) I am also a Belfast resident 🤣
Why does Lenny Murphy look like Jeffrey Epstein?
He doesn’t? Epstein didn’t have a unibrow.
@ferretyluv Oh yeah cause that's what totally defines similar looks is whether they both have a uniform or not. Look at his face man. Similar head shape, jaw line, and smile.
@jaytaylor629 he does look a bit like him.
I had a chance to visit Belfast, Derry/Londonderry, and Dublin for a study abroad class centered around The Troubles (part of a Master’s program). We did visit Shankill and also had a waitress at a Belfast restaurant from the Shankill area. The stories and history, regardless of levels of infamy, was overwhelming at times with each being important to beginning to understand The Troubles.
And fwiw, I loved the time I spent in both Belfast & Derry/Londonderry.
It’s Derry you don’t have to say the colonial name
@ hahahaha in fairness, I say ‘Derry’ in everyday speak, but as I’m a Yank and not a native Norn, my opinion doesn’t matter that much and say both, just outta respect by being an outsider 😂
@@JakeSezzno it's lit just Derry
As someone in northern england, what happened was disgusting and the Shankhill Butchers should never have been released. There are some animals that deserve to remain chained up.
Sectarianism in N Ireland was imported from Britain, it was and remains a British strategy rather than an Irish malady.
There is also another tenuous link with the North of England, Shankill butchers and Yorkshire ripper or Wearside Jack ,to be specific. The Pitchfork murders of Andrew Murray and Michael Naan by the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders.This , hidden, story typifies what went on in Ireland and was for obvious reasons, never intended to come to Maybe you might let me know what you think, if you can find it that is.
It's never a good sign when you make the IRA look not-as-bad by comparison!
It's a bit like when the nazis had to tell the Japanese to dial down the human experimentation.
@@foo219and be shocked at Nanking. They had to remove John Rabe for diplomatic reasons and because Hitler was irritated at his actions having angered high ranking members of the IJA, but members of his cabinet and some party leaders were shocked by the brutality and chaotic enthusiasm for violence. Even the SS was surprised by how bad how it was, and there was a major branch solely dedicated to running the camps.😳
Yep. When you look into it, it doesn't take much to see that the UVF and Butchers were MUCH worse than the IRA. I would even argue that the British Army and RUC were just as bad the IRA too
@@lunartears6761 I still can't get over the fact that one of history's greatest humanitarians was also a card carrying and proud member of the Nazi Party. You know things are barbaric when even the SS are like "Tone it down a bit, lads!"
@@Noodle3058 the British state is unbelievably ( SNEAKY) in fact there's not a crime they haven't been involved with..
Some people just thrive off of times of chaos. Keep your head up, your ears open, your mouth shut and if something doesn't smell or taste right ? Leave.
Good to see some content from where Im from only thing that’s wrong is it wasn’t psni it was ruc back then and its taig not tag but easy mistake keep up good content bro
Very good and very well presented but got quite a lot of things wrong.
The book is one of the most shocking books I have read. Brutal stuff.
Yeah, its funny how people in Britain largely are acutely aware of the crimes and atrocities of Irish Republican groups yet are largely unaware of the absolute heinous things done in the name of the British state by its agents and allies....
Luckily these days there are a couple of good documentaries that cover some of this on streaming, including Alex Gibneys No Stone Unturned and Unquiet Graves.
(btw, "Taig" rhymes with Hague, or Plague its an anglicised of Tágh, the Gaeilgé version of "Tim" a popular name among Irish boys in the 19th and early 20th centuries, less popular these days, at least in the North, due to its essentially becoming a slur).
people often throw religion as the main reason but lets be real its from 400 years of planter vs native
They're not native though..
@@BounceBackBelfast thats the point. actions from james the vi
@davyjones1335 no I mean the people you're claiming native, aren't native to Ireland
@@BounceBackBelfast They were there before the planters came and took the land, thats good enough. Vikings Normans English all assimilated with the Irish before the horrible scottish planters came over, they hate Ireland and Irish people, the language.. anything to do with being Irish. Which is ironic as over in Scotland they will sell souvenirs with Gaelic on them, they are also called Paddys in the British army and use an Irish wolfhound as a mascot, very strange deluded people.
@@BounceBackBelfast break down in communication, then I dont understand you. I am stating loyalists are the descendants of the planters.
5 commercials in 20 minutes, come on now Simon
That's RUclips man..get RUclips premium..no ads.
Get a ad blocker. I had zero😊
I want an episode on the worst moments in live tv history
The British media never covered Loyalist atrocities
Because the British state run the media and it was the state who were running the entire 30+ years of the mayhem, war, destruction and atrocities. Or the MEDIA'S NAME ( the troubles ).... ✌
Of course they woudn't. You dont report on the crimes of your 'side' the enemy was the IRA at the time, instead it all comes out afterwards.
Don't think so. Why?
@ it’s simple, the British government and establishment only wanted people to believe Republicans caused all the violence whilst ignoring the British supporting Loyalists and their acts of savagery
@TheScaryTruthCatalyst Dig deep enough and you'll probably find that they were behind most of them and if they weren't involved, they knew and done nothing to stop it.
I live near the shankill road. It is different still a buzzing community hub but there is still the underlining feeling of tension.
In the annals of torture killers i.e. murderers who took on a physical role in the torture and murder of another person, Lenny Murphy is up there with Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Fred and Rose West, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka, Randy Kraft, David Parker Ray, John Wayne Gacy, Bob Berdella, Dennis Rader, Dean Corll, and Larry Eyler.
I worked in Belfast in the late 90s at Harland and wolf.
I met a guy there who was allegedly in that group
He came across as a sociable fella but came and went as he pleased at the yard. It was only when I questioned his comeing and goings without reproach from the management that I was informed of his background .
My Father worked in Belfast all during the Troubles on building sites. Every morning there was a Loyalist paramilitary man would be at the site waiting on the protection money. He had to be paid before work could start or the worked would be killed. It was a very scary time to be working in Belfast but he had to do it for the money. Especially in the Loyalist areas as my father was from Catholic background. He was always scared of the paramilitaries and the Shankill butchers. He said one time he was walking down the Shankill road at lunchtime to go to a corner shop to get some lunch and he wasn't really looking where he was going and he looked up and he saw this great big butcher with a big cleaver in his hand. My father almost died of fright. 😄 I don' know if anyone remembers them but it was one of those big life size "butcher man" statue things you used to see outside butcher shops years ago with the apron and the hat and the moustache and cleaver. Due to my Dad thinking about the Shankill butcher killing it terrified him for a moment until he realised what it was. 🤭
Why are you speaking about the UVF in past tense... They still have too much power
Need a casual criminalist episode