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2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse Reaches Mach 2.0
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
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Consider the 2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse an evolution of the spectacular outgoing Ford Mustang Mach 1. And that car, the quickest in our Lightning Lap LL2 category (for cars under $65,000), isn't a bad place to start. Aside from the exterior and interior, the changes to the chassis and powertrain are comparatively minimal but welcome.
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00:00 Intro
00:46 Engine, acceleration, weight
01:38 Chassis upgrades and optional Trofeo RS tires
02:22 More about the V-8
02:42 Exhaust sound
03:28 Interior displays
05:10 Six-speed manual and flat-shifting
08:08 Handling, balance, stability control, and steering feel
10:28 Auto rev match fail
12:17 The beginning of the end
Thanks for watching everyone! As many of you rightfully noted, I was a bit premature on the end of the current Camaro. As for the rest, be sure to read the story for more technical information and additional driving impressions: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44675712/2024-ford-mustang-dark-horse-drive/
Great review Carlos!!
Why worry about facts and details Carlso? And why would the 6th Gen Camaro "not exist anymore" because GM decided to end production? Are you telling me someone is coming for my 6th Gen SS 1LE and they are going to crush it and all others? Not good and I'd still not own a mustnag.
$76k for a 5.0 never thought I'd see the day Ford is smoking crack
It'll be $90k at the dealer
The price isn't as confusing as it somehow manages to weigh 3900 lbs. It should easily be 200 lbs lighter.
@@JFinnsit is 4000 lbs in automatic not 3900 lbs.
well when youre so much better than your competitors, even when theyre significantly faster on track, and they go out of production because of it leaving you alone in the segment you can charge whatever the hell you want.
@@kahless0173😂😂😂
Best thing about the Dark Horse is it comes with an engine and not a motor!
Well said
I did "no lift shift" on my 88 LX 5.0 after installed a centerforce clutch, Hurst shifter, and HD trans! It banged hard with the 3.55s in the read
you are the only reviewer who is bringing the soft limiter issue and i find it very true. i feel it very well in the 5.0 S550 manual too!
I don't seem to have this issue on my 2020.
I think its only because launch control is enabled, i see the LC i. The bottom
@Glibzer no i mean lets say ur accelerating from second or thrid gear . U can feel when u reach 7 k that the acceleration force has stopped. Maybe it has to do with my 3.55 ratio on an eu performance pack gt
@Glibzer no i mean lets say ur accelerating from second or thrid gear . U can feel when u reach 7 k that the acceleration force has stopped. Maybe it has to do with my 3.55 ratio on an eu performance pack gt
As a Camaro guy, I’d love to get one of these in a few years, as it’s really grown on me. But these prices are getting insane, especially while there’s supposedly going to be a Shelby coming as a 2026 model. (Yes, I know I should get the Camaro but it’ll be harder to find one speced the way I’d like it)
Unfortunately soon you won’t be able to buy a new Camaro at all, let alone one in the correct spec
As a Camaro guy, you should stick to Camaros, as a car guy you should get whatever your heart desires.
Wait on new camaro it will be out in couple years and a EV probably have lot of horsepower.
@@Chris-Rife😐
I’m a mustang guy, and when I saw this new dark horse replace the mach1- which was a beautiful car, btw- I put in an order for a ZL1 1LE. But I just heard back from Chevy and they canceled my order 🙃 so now, I guess it’ll be this ugly mug
I was hoping that Ford would have given us a lighter street legal version of the Mustang let’s say a perf. pack 2, 300 to 400 lbs lighter in the 3500-3600 lbs range. But still good job and thank’s to Ford for keeping the V8 Mustang alive.
yep, it's a bit of a pig and it looks like Ford stole the front clip off the Honda Civic/Accord. 🤣
The GT3 they've been teasing will probably be a lot lighter but I assume the cost will be outrageous.
To make it lighter just remove the back seats, trunk plastic, and carpet. Voila!
@@TML34 Yep, it is heavy, but not like the OUTGOING Camaro or Challenger.
Hard to do with all the "safety" the government mandates it must have.
What an incredible and bittersweet review! Great job, Carlos!
I do like that Blue, looks similar to 'Shark Blue' on my Porsche 911. Mustang looks muscular and ready for action. 😎
As a Shelby and GT3 owner.. I agree.
Carlos is the best reviewer hands down! Car is killer, but that price? Crazy how times have changed. My first brand new Mustang GT 1985 loaded $12.6k out the door. In 2013 I purchased a Mustang GT Premium with the Brembo brakes, $32K out the door. Now a Dark horse loaded and with dealer mark-ups, $70-$80k? I would only buy used if and ever used prices come back to reality.
The average new car price in 1985 was around $11,000... so by comparison your 85 Mustang GT would've cost about $55k in today's money. That's about what a loaded 7th Gen GT would cost today. The average new car price in 2013 was about $31,000. In today's money your 2013 GT Premium would've cost $49,500 - again, right in line with what you'd pay for a 7th Gen GT. Car prices are in fact, "in line with reality"... salaries just haven't kept pace with inflation which is why everything else "seems" so expensive. All that aside, I'm really impressed with new Mustang, but I'm not in any rush to sell my 2020 Camaro LT1 6-speed. If I was buying a 7th Gen Mustang, I'd want a no-option bare-bones basic GT with the manual...but giving up my TR6060 for an MT82 seems like a step backwards. And if I had "Dark Horse" money, I'd just buy a Camaro ZL1 (while supplies last).
Agreed. For the price of this car, fix the front end!
That's a little like comparing apples to oranges. Price a speced out GT premium, not a Dark Horse.
Your my favorite car journalism. Man you have such a trustworthy vibe.
Always look forward to your reviews, Carlos! I love the blue Dark Horse. I always preferred the Camaro over the Mustang but this is another Mustang I wouldn't mind having! With the manual of course.
Thanks!
It loos like the camaro and the camaro has real sport car chops
@@gigi9467 Yea, the SS 1LE or the ZL1 1LE are some of the best sports cars for the money! The Alpha chassis was such a win for Chevy. I think they use the Alpha chassis for the new Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing, which is probably why it's so damn good, even as a 4 door sedan!
@ornsteinoftheabyss,
You would be correct, Sir!!
I keep saying it…when GM built the 6th Gen “Tracky” Camaro, they built A MASTERPIECE!!
This is objectively true.
There’s no way a muscle car gets to *also be a legit sports car, but GM did it..👍
@@bird-man4022 It is truly a shame that the Camaro is going away. It has been the best rivalry to the Mustang and one of the best looking cars Chevy ever made, next to the Vette. I really hope they don't taint the name and turn it into an SUV like Ford did with the Mustang.
Great video and review. It was clear you were giving us a type of real world review Thanks, FD
About that redline/limiter thing: Some owners will, indeed, take advantage of that extra room on the tach. No doubt there will be several aftermarket options to address that. It also seems the steering "improvements" that are on all the versions, which seems like the right approach, took some of the feel out, the opposite of what it sounds like they were going for. I would think, too, some of the other issues are software related and will be worked out when it hits the streets. Monumental effort, though, and ecstatic it even exists!
The steering is perfectly where it should be feel wise. Have fun knuckling the steering wheel every drift or hard corner. U ppl never been to a track in your life.
IMO the rivalry between the Camaro and Mustang made both of them better.
Hate the interior and the rear styling. Feel the s550 variants (Gt350 and Mach 1) are much better looking.
Thank God we got some real Mustang enthusiast in this chat and not some Ford ball washers . And hell yes the Shelby GT350 and MACH 1 are better in so many ways.
Not necessarily a mustang guy. In my opinion they nailed the outside looks but I'm not a fan of the interior
Impressed with the quality of the shots filmed in this video compared to other mustang dark horse driving reveals 🎉
I have always loved LOVED the Mustang! Would never own one, but God I love its ruckus-ness. 😍 You posted up an amazing review and presented the car very well. Thank you!
This looks a lot like the 6th Gen Camaro though.
The Camaro’s rear visibility is crap, but that Alpha Platform is just unbeatable. I’ve driven a standard v6 RS from Enterprise rental and modified SS (750hp) in San Francisco last year. Rented from Hertz. Drove from San Francisco to Napa. I couldn’t see anything out the back window, but the Camaro was absolutely planted to the road. I touched 130mph several times. A Dodge TRX kept testing me on that uphill pull after the Bay Bridge. He didn’t know I had some extra juice. 😂 Also, coming back one of them darn CHiPs officers on a Harley rolled up next to me and gave me the look-“I’m watching you.” I want to say, “Let’s Go” so bad. 😂
Yeah you need to drive some mustangs if you think camaros are nice lol..
That’s a man’s man driving that great car. Great video and acting and driving. Damn.
Carlos is one of the few journalist I truly trusts
I'm a simple man. I see Carlos, I watch and upvote.
Red looks good on this car
❤Thank you for sharing this beautiful car God bless you
It's disappointing to hear that the front end of this car is vague and uncommunicative like reviews for the GT mentioned. Trying to guess what the front end is doing while on track is not a good time.
same. I was hoping the Dark Horse wouldn't have the same issue. Deal breaker for me, but still a cool car
That’s assuming your as an accomplished driver as the C/D driver
@dennishilligoss7386 you don't have to be an accomplished driver to appreciate the benefit of a car that communicates what the front wheels are doing well. Cars with a lack of feel are less confidence inspiring and not as satisfying in my opinion
@@wadesloanexactly! There is no excuse for this flaw
It’s also one opinion. Every other review has stated otherwise.
I aint paying $60k on a stock stang ill enjoy my stock ctsv
Coupe?
Thats a damn good looking car.
You are only saying this because it looks like a Camaro.
I've heard the same about the steering feel. Why would it be lacking? Why would Ford continue to make a car that has a numb feeling to the steering? As sensual as this car is, it's amazing to me that they haven't gone for the throat on that aspect of it. Think about it- the sound of the car is amazing. It's a visually appealing car- beautiful. The smell of leather, rubber, gas- F-me! Love it! Somehow they either didn't or forgot that the feel from the road is just as important as the other things a driving enthusiast loves about a sports car. Good job, Ford, but ya could'a been awesome, is what it sounds like.
So it's not a work out to drive around a track or drift..
I must be gettting old because it looks like a modern Camero. and it doesnt have that muscle car feeling with the big touch screens. I hope Shellby, Steeda, Hennessey, Roush, can give it some more muscle car feel.
I will stick with my 2014 GT500!!😎
Just wondering what year did you get it?
@@FastFrank1408 2017
@@drfaticus cool. How much was it.
@@FastFrank1408 62K with less than 3500 miles on it
I'd never let go of that. Easily one of the top 3 best mustangs ever made.
It sounds amazing. Really does. It looks like a Camaro from the front which is really odd.
For the price fully loaded you have to ask yourself, zl1-zl1 1le-m2-gt350/350r-hellcat-used gt500 possibly… what you gone pick ? 🤔
GT350 hands down!
But you see we have a lot of Ford ball washers commenting on this video 😅
Oh, man I'm gonna get me a dark horse it is sick lol .
Camaro ZL1 or SS1LE
@@tommyboyGT350Factz! I’ll take Alex word on it too!
Dealer markups coming in hot already seen a couple at over 100k😮
What makes the mustang a better driver’s car is outward visibility, you don’t feel like you’re in a pill box. Plus the car has good lines, it’s a classic shape. I still prefer 6th gen mustang design. The new one’s front and rear design is a little divisive for me.
The seats you were showing when mentioning the Recaros are the standard seats with the adjustable headrests.
I noticed that too, they they showed the Recaro's.
It's called a cumstang look at it Camaro and mustang had a baby
Facts
The interior is so disconnected from past Mustang evolution in design. Could be a Kia, Hyundai who knows. Such an opportunity and history to build on and this seems to have fallen short.
I'm glad he said actual muscle car. Someone who finally knows the proper term.
I just can’t pay $75k for a dressed up Mustang GT Premium, when the Mustang GT500 used to sell at that price. I know vehicles are getting more expensive, but why would I buy a Mustang over a C8 Corvette? I’ve owned 6 Stangs with the years being between 03-2017, and I’m not sure if I could buy another because of the price.
Manual transmission.
This would explain why 1 saw 3 s650s otw home from work on 24/27 last week
Camaro isn’t dead yet, Carlos, 2024 is the last year for the current generation Camaro.
So depressing. These cars are going away and the last few years we have left to try and grab one, all the dealers are price gouging the hell out of everything, making them unobtainable for many.
Can't wait to see more Carlos and @throttlehouse crossovers. I miss the Carlos Lago deep dives too.
Where
The fuel cutoff for my 22 GT is 7300 rpm and the gauge goes to 8. The GT350 had a special analogue gauge that went to 9k. Maybe they're going to do a new 350 with digital dash and want to keep it the same as the GT dash? Unlikely. also when modified these coyotes went over 8K rpm so youd have to have a seperate gauge to read the rpm so this could help that scenario.
Are you 100% positive on the fuel cutoff for the 22. 2018 and up should have 7400 rpm fuel cutoff. Unless tuned, that is the stock hard limiter on the s550.
@@al151 I was in fact wrong and you were right, it is 7300.
S197 FOR LIFE!!!
Been hearing that in every review so far that the end feeling is almost gone. I just don't understand why they do that. I want to feel everything going on. Some of us above average drivers want that back!
You don't drift so you wouldn't understand..
@@redsviewlong live Ken Block!
Where is double hump dash? Big screen just followed trend, it losts it’s heritage design
Agree, it’s sad that the Camaro and Challenger are gone. Gonna be holding on to my Hemi R/T manual for a long time.
Don't blame you. I love my 66 Mustang with a 347!!
I would keep it forever if I were you. I want to find a decent 2012 Boss 302 and I want to be buried in it.
Thats a properly done limiter...if youre waiting for redline you're gonna miss it, as drag racers we always put the shift indicator 200-300rpm below actual redline....especially in 1st or 2nd where the revs build fast.
FYI the print article refers incorrectly to "Vapor Blue" as the darker color that mutes that accents (confusing with Dark Ember, which is the dark blue offered in the '24). Vapor Blue is the bondo clearcoat, err, light gray/kinda not really blue color offering.
Just checked the consumer site and it looks correct to me. Vapor Blue Metallic is the darker, somewhat hue-shifting blue. I don't see Dark Ember; did you mean Dark Matter?
@@CarlosLagoblue ember is the colorshifting dark blue. The vapor blue is light grayish blue.
It’s called evolution. We’re moving forward. Things do change, and not stay the same. Same with this car. We all love it to be the same old mustang we remembered, but the technology has changed. Instead of complaining, we should embrace it and enjoy it for what it is. I personally like it.
Nah. Hard pass on all these stupid screens. I'd just but used.
My Mustang came with Sport Cup 2’s with the Handling Package
No longer the case with the 7th gen Mustang.
@@CarlosLago I see
Interior with screens is a big improvement.
No hokey “ground speed”, craptastic one way toggle switches, etc.
Also no mt82…
what camera's are you using?
Thought people would be more excited about this car, but I think I'll stick with my ZL1 1LE for a few more years at least.
Great video...not necessarily a Ford fan but a V8 that revs to over 7K is never a bad thing. I know it's been a while, but Carlos was a great addition to the team, always enjoy his content. Keep the great vids coming!
Personally I don't like the spoiler which I think spoils the lines of the car. Can you say at what speed you have to go before it has any effect? I still prefer my S550 especially the interior and instrument binnacle etc. Really helpful review thanks.
I expect Lund Racing to get rid of that rev limiter 😂
They won’t do it on this car.
@@mikehughes8023wait a couple months
I'll Always Love Heroes Hayden Panettiere
Why is this 4000lbs
Government mandated safety equipment and standards and Ford designs the model to be tough and reliable. It all adds up.
How does this compare to a GT350R or Mach 1 with the handling pack?
It’s probably a lot like the Mach one, but with a little bit extra horsepower.
Wow! 1540 MPH ? That’s amazing.
I watched the video at 1.5X speed and the Dark Horse reached Mach 3.0!
I never thought I’d see the day where a mustang and a C8 corvette would overlap in price. 🤯
Dark Horse Premium with manual transmission, the handling pack and Recaros is $71,505. The Camaro ZL1 comes with Recaros, its standard suspension and 1LE SS are the same, and its $69,995. Go to the ZL1 1LE and its $77,495. So for less money than the Dark Horse you get 650hp and a 3907lbs curb weight or for $6000 more than the Dark Horse Premium wiht handling and Recaros you get 650hp, 3853lbs curb weight and way more car overall. How does one on still go Camaro here? And while you can still buy an SS 1LE for under $50,000, you can throw on a cold air intake and a dyno tune and turn that 460hp near that 500hp mark and still come out way cheaper and lighter than the Dark Horse.
The reasons you outlined is exactly why I bought my 2020 Camaro LT1 6-speed when I was cross-shopping Mustang/Challenger. The Camaro is a better overall value.
The Darkhorse Looks alright I need to see it in person. it's only 500hp though. my charger hellcat would blow it doors off. for 60k it would be a good value
Wonder how the Roush is going to look
Every car RUclipsr just drove the DarkHorse, and are posting their vids at the same time, saying the same exact stuff. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all: I am happy to see you reviewing a car again. Secondly, that car looks like a Camaro with a different nose.
70-80k for a 2 door pony car that weighs 3,975 (!) and is slower than my C6 vette which has the venerable LS3 and TR-6060 and weighs 750lbs less that we bought for 27k with 11k miles. Seriously, I don't get the appeal but I applaud Ford for making an honest-to-goodness V8 with a MT.
I love the Red or the Metallic blue
I really wish the Mustang was built on the Camaro platform.
Your a Moran.
When a 2022 Ford Mustang and a 2022 Chevy Camaro have a kid, this is what you get 🤔
The drone shot in the beginning of this video, I swear I was looking at a Camaro . 😂
@@tommyboyGT350😂😂😂😂😂
What many fail to realize is that the rear quarter panels were first on the Mustang in the 60’s before the Camaro.
@@EVsSuck777 negative
@@AshyyygamingYT Look at a 1965 Mustang fastback. The curvy rear quarter panels were already there. In 1967 they were made wider and more sculpted, then in 1969 they were made even wider and boxier. The 2024 Mustang looks based off the 1967 Mustang Fastback.
Proper name. US names hot cars properly. Unlike here in UK
One hot lap without talking and camera facing pov was what I was hoping for. Just one lap would have been nice.
Nice looking Camaro
Dark Horse W/Handling Package. We need lap times VS other cars
Nice review! I didn’t think I would, but I actually dig the satin eyeliner design.
Is there going to be a new version of the GT500? Or, has that been killed off?
Would love to see a Dark Horse vs 5th Gen Z/28. On paper it seems like a good comparision, even if the Z/28 is almost 10 years older.
2015 Camaro Z/28 with 7.0L engine got smoke by a 2015 GT350R with a 5.2L engine.
@georgemerusi299,
I would love to see that matchup!
Afterwards, I’d like to see the Darkhorse vs the 6th Gen SS1LE, given it laid down a slightly faster track time than the Z28, and it’s lighter weight.
Yeah ford #1 always
@@chucktaylor9190 It did when did this happen? According to LL Z/28 beat gt350r with all the frdo bandaids at VIR Grand Course.
"But that car doesn't really exist anymore."
Sure it does. The Camaro is still being produced, and it'll continue production into early 2024. I know because I just bought a new 1LE. So yes, a comparison between the two cars would definitely be relevant.
@karlhungus8946,,
EXACTLY!!
I’ll keep saying it..Our cars with Alpha chassis + 1LE Track Pack is a masterpiece.
TBH, I want to see the Dark Horse manual (vs) SS1LE manual “head 2 head” on track.
I’m willing to bet the difference between the two won’t be more than 2 seconds.
We’re talking $45k for the Camaro (vs) $60-$70k for the new Mustang Dark Horse.
Would track times and the “driving experience” justify the price difference?
What is the 0-60 and quarter mile
Have a 2022 Camaro SS today and a had 2020 Bullitt a couple years back, BTW both Manual!!! Love the new screens in the Dark horse and the colors ... but in reality its the TREMEC that makes all the difference if you haven't had the chance... I like the Ford inside with all the bells and whistles, but the Camaro drives so much better (Transmission). This may be the mix we all needed!!!
‼️please someone tell me what’s the name of the song they used at time stamp 2:46🙏🏽
The final nail in the coffin for internal combustion will be when electric cars finally go lightweight. Still...people get rid of cars every 3 to 5 years, where are all those toxic batteries going to? yunkyard? fumes, ground pollution? I'm glad a few manufacturers are investigating alternative fuels to keep internal combustion running.
But how will they make them lightweight. Those battery packs weigh more than most cars in itself. Maybe in 20 years, but I'm thinking the ICE will have made a comeback by then.
Hey! Larlos Cago...long time, no see
I've done nothing but collect as many ICE engines as possible fer the last 10 years- I'm with you on the bittersweet end - 11' 5.0 Boss/ 15' ZO6/21' 392 Rubicon/ 22' TRX - maybe time fer one more 25' ZR1 perhaps
For all those reasons at the end… what’s not to love?
I am not a Ford person but once he said Recaro seats I changed my mind about Stangs. See I was in a very bad accident in '21 and was almost killed in a '19 ZL1. The Recaro Seats with all the nanny electronics saved my life and I got out with a busted left heel and fractured tibia. Let's just say I can piss a lot of metal detectors. Give me Recaro seats in this bad boy and I can be alright.
I don't like the name or the logo... they had so many iconic names to choose from. Boss? Mach 1? Shelby GT?
Shleby
For what they will charge for this plus the rediculous markups coming a 2022 gt500 would be a way better bet. Im a huge mustang guy but not sure about the new ones.
I love the Dark Horse, but I really can't get over how much I hate all that extra black plastic on the front bumper.
Yup. Its tragic. Unbelievably cheap looking . Amateurish.
Can tell he is a chevy lover
Great looking car but needs boost and more power. 500 is not enough for a 4k lb car esp at elevation 😅
So new style and stickier tires. Got it.
It's a fitting name, the video quality is also dark.
It's funny that the Mustang slowly evolved to look much more like the Camaro. I wouldn't be able to know the difference between them from some of the angles.
I just don't see it.
Ford even copied the hood vents from the camaro. First they put it on the GT500 and now the sixth gen mustang
Does this exhaust sound that raspy in real life.?
What did he ever do with that white ls swapped s13?
Nice review, but I would take the Camaro over the Ford all day long!!!!!
Meeeeeee two
Mmm I don't know, I like both of them, my son has a 21 GT 10 speed, and when I drive it I am 100% satisfied, it is very impressive, which no doubt the Camaro is also , it's awsome to have a choice between these high performance cars.
Ford all day
😂 general motors crap
@@mickjames666 GM are better and that's a fact truth hurts
If I wanted a high end new mustang, I'd scramble to get a Mach 1 instead of this.
Hell, yes the MACH 1 is a better Mustang. Thank you for your comment and not being a Ford ball washer .