Why Bayern Munich Threatened To Join Serie A
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2021
- Bayern Munich are the most popular and successful team in the Bundesliga, and in German football as a whole - but almost 20 years ago, the club from Bavaria threatened to leave it all behind.
An enormous scandal in 2003 caused a rupture in relations between the DFB, the Bundesliga, and Bayern Munich.
In this documentary, HITC Sevens takes a look at the Kirch Affair, which created that dispute, why FC Bayern München threatened to move to Italy and join Serie A, and ultimately why it never happened. 
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Bayern: We could leave the Bundesliga at every moment.
Every German football fan: Dont threaten me with a good time.
You know damn well Dortmund is gonna become better now
@@whyareyouusinglightmode2098 The only thing I know "damn well" is that Haaland will leave Dortmund next summer and then Gio Reyna and Bellingham the summer after that. Dortmund is a club that is great at developing young talent but when the real big guys offer these players a contract, they are gone in no time. They might have a season or two, where they can challenge Bayern, but then they lose all their best talent and have to start over again.
@@Otto910 I mean without bayern the bundesliga would be nothing but ok
@@kaedeakamatsu6877 Because having one club that is so much richer than everyone else and subsequently winning every title is so great right?
Some people care more about a competitive season than fan interest for the league from China or the US.
@@Otto910 oh right I forgot bayern doesn't have any fans in germany who would like to see their club winning as well. the bundesliga without bayern would be nothing. when was the last time one of the other clubs won the ucl? or even uel?
Fun fact - Italians call Munich "Monaco di Baviera", which I only learnt after my GF (who was living in Italy at the time) had some Italian friends ask her if she wanted to go to Monaco for a weekend. So she agreed, went and found it puzzling why after she woke in the car after an overnight trip to "Monaco", that she was surrounded by snow capped mountains. She then spent a cold weekend in Munich in November, thinking she'd be by the sea in far warmer conditions.
Being from Munich, some people here also call it “Italy’s northernmost city”
@@Felipe-zn8mj thats Regensburg
Not really. She either didn't listen well, or her friends didn't pronounce well. Munich is Mònaco with the accent on the beginning o, while Monaco is Monacó with the accent on the ending o.
There is a clear difference, but it might have been an oversight.
@@montezumasrache4090 It's very possible that she's just not very good at speaking Italian
@@montezumasrache4090 We pronounce "Principato di Monaco" the same way as we pronounce "Monaco di Baviera", We say Monacó only when talking about the football team.
Always heartwarming to hear stories where big clubs and corporations don’t get punished for their crimes because they are big enough to screw the smallest clubs without consequences
How is that heartwarming?
@@itswalker9 I think he's being sarcastic
Covid closures anyone? 😏
I am far from a Bayern fan, but in their defense i'd like to point out, that the only actual crime (tax evasion by Hoeneß) was indeed punished, as mentioned in the video he even went to prison. The contract between Bayern and Kirch was not a crime, it was more deemed immoral and a bad look, but no actual laws had been broken.
Capatilism everybody
The Bundesliga would be a wonderful league without Bayern. So many big clubs and ridiculously competitive. Bayern are a great club but their creeping dominance from the 1990s has hit the point of being insufferable.
This is exactly what Nagelsmann talked about two days ago at the press conference before the CL match. Instead of lamenting that Bayern is too strong, every damn Bundesliga club should take their balls in their own hand and play to win EVERY match not just the two games against Bayern. In the Bundesliga only Bayern has the winner mentalitiy, the „mia san mia“ as they call it, because they don‘t care what the other 17 clubs are doing and are only focusing on their own game. Crying that Bayern is too strong, hating on Bayern for being too strong won‘t change a damn thing. And Bayern is not just a great club, they are the best team there has ever been in Germany and Top 3 in Europe!
@@Mindartcreativity With all due respect Nagelsmann is living in the world of fantasy with comments like that. Bayern’s wage bill is twice that of Dortmund, in itself a big German club. What happened the last time Dortmund assembled a top class side? Bayern poached their best players. The Bundesliga has effectively become a feeder league to Bayern. I think it is quite sad to see this as Germany has some wonderful, big clubs but has become incredibly boring in recent years.
It’s easy to claim other clubs should be looking to win every game, but with less money and a lower standard of squad they’re never going to win more points over the course of a season than Bayern.
They would be like what Serie A is like now, ironically enough.
@@Mindartcreativity The irony when Naglesmann himself is a manager poached by Bayern from the second best team last season
@@toph8298 First, what I wrote was my opinion and not what Nagelsmann said. He was aksed about it in the press conference but I didn’t include any part of his answer. Secondly, Dortmund buys way more players from league rivals. Go check. And it‘s not illegal to buy players from rival teams for any club in any sense. Bayern earned all that money through hard, consistent work and the titles follow. In detail it is what I said. Dortmund, Leipzig and Leverkusen lose too many games against other teams than Bayern, that‘s the difference but nobody admits it because it‘s way easier to blame Bayern for for their own success. Bayern‘s domination will go on for years unless Dortmund and Leipzig start playing like big boys and win 17/17 games!
I think bayern Munich would quit 1 hour after having to deal with Italian football authorities 🤣🤣
Nah they'll just pay them off like every other top Italian clubs does to win the league
@@user-op6kt8pg9y no
@@thescoutn2967 football fans really have a short attention span Italy is known for bribery and cheating to win the league once you've done it once you can never take that league seriously again
@@user-op6kt8pg9y no
@@thescoutn2967 yes
I'm from Geneva. No need to apologize, you're totally right.
You should do a vlog on ‘Il Grande Torino’ sides of the mid to late 1940’s,
and how they had every outfield player represent Italy in an international match.
still devastated at the life lost during the airplane crash😢
Torino never truly recovered from that, they were such an amazing side back then.
@@niccolomainetti6202 1949 😭
@@devinpapadoilos942 Such a tragedy, I reckon we'd have atleast another World Cup if Superga never happened.
@@niccolomainetti6202 are there any documentaries of the tragedy, i tried finding out more about it as its something really sad and i wanted to know more about
I'm not surprised that Bayern felt they had done nothing wrong. Nobody said diddly when Manchester United were in bed with BSKYB, or as we know them today, Sky Sports.
You’ve got to do a video on Southend - we lost 4-0 today, game was stopped due to protests, 15 minutes time added on, manager sacked, the opposition team held up banners against our chairman - still on course for 3 relegations in 3 years
Manager sacked halfway thru the match? So did he have to leave ar some point lol?
Nah things are even worse at Aldershot my local team
Sounds like comedy gold
Me waking up and checking RUclips: “Alfie’s going to have a video about Newcastle, isn’t he?”
Me seeing the thumbnail: “I am pleasantly surprised.”
It’s just so great to hear someone from abroad pronounce Lewandowski correctly. Well done Alfie!
I dont know where you are looking, but everyone i know pronounces it like that
everyone pronounces it right what bro, never heard anyone pronounce the w as a w, which is what i’m assuming you’re talking about
@@aidangilhooly6689 i’ve heard too many people pronounce polish w the same way english w
@@aidangilhooly6689 yet ive heard many people mispronounce his last name, which hurts my Polish heart
@@jebackohte dla mnie jak mówią lełandaski fajnie to brzmi
Bayern literally said, you do as I say or we leave 🤣
They had a about 0% chance of actually leaving. It was more of a tamper tantrum.
This is going to be a great watch, I never knew they even thought of doing this!
this channel, along with tifo. is the highest quality football content on youtube
Naah, Athletic Interest tops this imo.
@@putendoener athletic interest is the football channel for people who hate football
@@ayyguevara8448 Well I love football and I still think AI's quality is top notch. You don't like it? Totally fine, but don't tell me what I can and can't like.
Very informative. Thanks for the hard work & dedication you put into creating these videos. 👍🏻👍🏻
As a Swiss from the Geneva Lake, I completely agree with the analogy with Geneva. 100%.
Concerning Hoeness tax evasion it should be noted, that he didn't evade any taxes of his general income in Germany. The tax evasion came from a Swiss bank account, he used to "gamble" on the stock market. He made a lot of money there and lost it too. On the money he made he should have payed taxes, but he didn't.
The real interesting question no one asks: Why did the Adidas Boss Louis-Dreyfus give Uli Hoeneß money just to gamble? In a year, where Adidas was negotiating a new deal and had to outbid Nike...
@@PassivesAbseits Oh I asked myself that and it's pretty obvious why Dreyfus did that. Still wouldn't make sense to me for Hoeneß to be truly influenced by that. I mean one thing I always trusted Hoeneß with, was that Bayern always comes first for him. But yeah Hoeneß accepting that was his worst offence imo.
tax evasion is a victimless crime
@@jjj6446 no
@@Frosty1979 he did it with his own personal money not bayerns money
Mate your wit is just class. So it your content. Keep it up!
Wow this is something that I've never heard of before. I guess it is true that you do learn something new everyday.
Same mate!
Really you learn something new every day.
Lol Your voice is so calm which is very contrary to The Irish guy’s channel
Alfie, I was living in Geneva for the past 3 years. You described it pretty accurately.
Great video
Good research
The European super league currently has the Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus in the league
A three team league?
Is there relegation?
@@ianmacfarlane1241 yea, relegation is just 1 match against arsenal to see how bad you really are
@@apocsquid In that case Brentford are ESL quality
@@apocsquid we are celebrating we cannot be in the Super league
Premier league will be the new super league 🤣
18:17 one of the best cases of "what goes around comes around"
People keep calling bayern in a farmers league but in reality, they are just hating them because their too good
@Akhil Sadasivam still people are hating people cuz they too good lmao
No premier league club ever got relegated from football league. Oldham are currently in bottom two in league two. i think a what is going on at Oldham Athletic should happen Alfie 😊
Notts County were relegated from the Top Flight in 1992 - The Top Flight was renamed to the Premier League that summer...92-93 being the first season with the new name.
Notts County were relegated from the Football League in 2019 and are now in their third season in the Conference {England's 5th Tier}.
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Luton Town were relegated from the Top Flight alongside Notts County in 1992.
Luton Town were relegated from the Football League in 2009 and promoted back into the Football League in 2014 after 5 seasons in the Conference, they're now back in the Championship {2nd Tier} after 2 more promotions.
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Oldham were relegated from the Premier League in 1994, 2 seasons after Notts County and Luton Town.
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Wimbledon were relegated from the Premier League in 2000 and ceased to exist in 2004 - Replaced by Milton Keynes Dons who took their spot in the Football League and AFC Wimbledon who had to work their way up from the Combined Counties League {Tier 9 of the English Pyramid}.
AFC Wimbledon are currently in League One {the 3rd Tier} alongside Milton Keynes Dons}.
No Wimbledon weren't relegated out of the Football League technically but they were once a Premier League Club.
@@franohmsford7548 yes Luton HAD a points deduction
@@balham5606 when? when they were relegated from the top flight? when they were relegated into the conference? at some other point?
Just saying they had a points deduction is no good without the context of when it happened and how much they were deducted.
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Also, are you saying that this invalidates their relegation?
The fact is they were relegated - The how and why isn't in question!
You need to do the ITV Digital story next!
He has already, I think?
Fascinating! Never heard a peep of this before!
12:57 so... uh... any chance we have the rest of that photo...? For research purposes, of course.
As an American I rely on you for football knowledge and history. GOAT
Maybe check out Athletic Interest. He has really high quality content too!
@@putendoener thanks for the recommendation I’ll check it out!
Hach ja.
I started becoming a football fan back in 2002/2003 and with my 12 years I simply didn't understand what the hell all of this trouble about Kirch really meant.
Thanks for summing it up in such a great way.
By the way - we'd all be happy if Bayern just played somewhere else. They love Qatar, maybe they should move there.
Please do video on Southend United, facing a third straight relegation and are in 15 million pounds of debt
Surely they won’t be relegated again ?
@@balham5606they will at this stage
@@white_will_smith will you go to their f a cup match next weekend then ?
@@balham5606 not a southend fan I just follow England's lower leagues
@@white_will_smith that’s cool then
It's interesting to know that
Just a small hint in case it comes up for you again and you are interested in pronouncing it correctly:
In German the letter "i" is pronounced like the "e" in the English word "we" and the German "ch" is not pronounced like "k" but a bit like the starting letter "h" in the English word "huge" (very difficult to explain as the "ch" sound does not really exist in English).
i swear i've seen this video before, reupload?
Can you please do "7 clubs with the most trophies"
Love the Summer Heights High meme in the intro 🇦🇺
BL has such an interesting history and politics.
please make a Video of.mike Ashley 7 best signing like cisse Ben afra maximum and soo on
video suggestion: what do you think gonna happen for newcastle united for the next 7 years realistically
That's where Thierry Henry's originaly from
7 best non-fifa affiliated national teams. Eg I’ve heard Martinique are quite good
I mean as a dortmund fan I would take it any day of the week, not necessarily to make the league easier, but to show that people should keep discrediting or disrespecting us because bayern could easily dominate any other league as well, so its not like wee lose the title to a mediocre side every year.
Yeah but even if Bayern goes to a different league we probably still wont win it because our shit defense and losing to stupid teams like mainz freiburg etc
@@markdeckson1546 No I think even with bad seasons, Bayern and Dortmund are still consistently the two best teams in the league. It's more with the Monopoly they've built, it's nearly impossible to topple them. Hopefully they have a good period were they fall off, like Barca, Inter, Milan, Man U, etc, then the league can even its self out a bit again.
@@noahsteiner5052 they did have an off period but you failed to capitalize, 2019 and 2020, both years Dortmund could have won something.
Loved your Newcastle rants on Twitter. The peoples channel indeed.
The MBS thing had been going on for a while.
Can you do a video on Newcastle going from a scumbag owner to even worse owners?
Alteast the owners are not stingy no
Let's see what the new owners will change before we jump to conclusions.
So human rights, murdering journalists etc etc is fine if they buy Erling haaland?
@@kieronparr3403 tf did you expect from a rich Middle eastern owner?
Exactly this. I don't see why it should be allowed. Should Newcastle fans live by Sharia law under the Saudi regime, then see how they feel?
Interesting topic this one Alfie, should be a good one; Oh and Spain are the new Unofficial World Champions!
Why?
@@TheSpannerJNR They beat defending champion Italy the other day.
@@thinguyendinh9976 wouldn’t that mean European champions not world
@@BJHAttax HITC Sevens made a video about it before. Basically if you beat the defending champion at any international fixture, you're the champions.
@@thinguyendinh9976 but they wouldn’t be the world champions is what I’m saying. They would only be the European.
50+1 rule is always present. No outside corporate shall own or decide affairs of the clubs. Then again, money doesn't equal 🏆. I think sticking to that is what makes it unique. A few exceptions are Leipzig and Hoffenheim
If that had gone through than Bayern's wage bill would be lower ,is it okay if I add much lower?
The 1 dislike is by someone in Geneva.
Didn't understood why he chose Geneva as well.
Do a video on Coventry City
Can you do a vid on Wrexham
Leipzig and Hoffenheim are the most hated clubs in Germany but this is way worse then they did.
New video idea. Newcastles Last starting XI under Mike Ashley. Were are they now
I love your Alfie's videos, but I don't think I want him unloading anything over me thanks 😂
I remember that..
Everyone went: „you promise“ and they never talked about it again😁
7 teams that don’t compete in their own country
So they were paid to lobby for a poorly run broadcaster and when the company went bust and left almost everyone in debt, instead of admitting their mistakes and helping German football they held the league to ransom and got away with it.
Disgraceful
You could also say, they made a completely legal contract with another party, which did not violate any Bundesliga rule, DFB rule, DFL rule or any part of the broadcasting agreement, but when their rival clubs found out, they milked it for all the bad press and fines they could. I am far from a Bayern fan, but i've always had the feeling the other clubs back then enjoyed themselves a lot making Bayern out to be the bad guy, and tried to squeeze whatever they could out of it. Joining the Serie A of course would be a complete overreaction and had about 0% chance of happening, but it goes to show how emotional the debate was back then.
@@Jonathanizer what do you mean? Completely legal lol
@@octopus8420 By that i mean, that is violated no law. Do you not know what the word "legal" means? Or are you implying that the contract was illegal? If you claim, that it actually was illegal, please tell me which paragraph of the StGB is supposedly violated here?
So now they wanna raid Genoa, Sassuolo, Spezia, Cagliari and co.
Can you please do a video on what is going on at the FAI?? Proper corruption..
So cool to see Ja’mie in a HITC vid (she’s the schoolgirl in the meme, and was a parody of Aussie private school girls)
I remember summer heights high Jonah from Tonga was a good character.
Media villians : Man City, Newcastle
Real Villains:
Bayern was never own by a country with multiple human rights issues
@@escape2nirvana Germany
If Bayern would join the Serie a, then it would Benefit all. Serie a could higher their tv revenues and Bayern would play in a harder league.
Bayern if they left:What's up my fellow Italians
Modern day- East vs West Germany who would win?
This is the last video of you I will watch without AdBlock. I can deal with 1-2 midreels but this is utterly disgusting.
The Bundesliga clubs, especially Dortmund, need to grow a spine in regards to holding onto their best players and not letting Bayern steal them all. It is this weak mindset that has allowed Bayern to dominate the league.
And when was the last time Bayern bought a Dortmund player?
Geneva's picturesque and lovely.
I've not been to Munich though so I can't compare.
Its not, much like the club which is also filthy rich and arrogant
@@95zzz munich is a great city where is that hate coming from?
Munich is lovely with friendly people. I wish I could go back!
@@kaedeakamatsu6877 the city itself is very nice and beautiful, just a lot of awful people
@@95zzz never met anyone "awful" there
being from geneva i wasn't expecting my city to be roasted in this random video lol
Someone from the future and showed Bayern the state of the Italian league these days 😅 they immediately changed their tune
FIFA * UEFA would have had issues preventing it, given Berwick (English plays in Scotland) Cardiff, Swansea (Both Welsh play in England), FC Vaduz (Liechtenstien plays in Switzerland) and a few others already do what Bayern where proposing and EU laws.
Nah, we're still FC Hollywood lol, there is drama everyday within the club walls.
Can you do a video on why countries like Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, and some other Asian countries are members of UEFA?
Kasachstan liegt zum teil in Europa
Day 1 : 7 most entertaining premier league mid table teams of all time
Geneva is affluent, efficient, but definitely not boring.
7 best player who never won the league titles
Day 32 professional seasons of 1 player ( Messi, Maradona, Pele Zidane or whoever you want) from worst to best
Lewy makes the headlines now
I despise Bayern Munich. I will never understand why people in Germany hate Leipzig more than them. They are the reason that German domestic football is unwatchable.
Idea for a video. The so called football war, between between El Salvador & Honduras in 1969
I mean Italy is technically German-speaking (because of the Südtirol region), so I guess it’s not that much of a stretch? 😅
It would be like the Südtirol Italians finally had a Serie A club of their own!
Day π: First XI and bench of 1 player per club and 1 per country, current Premier League or any other domestic league only (you could also do a broader one, but that's much easier and more boring). So if you pick Kane you can't have either Son or Alexander-Arnold (just an example)
We are back in town boys! We are coming for you all!
Rubbish. You need at least 3 years and to pay good money for key players at the "top 6" players.
2:52 = You missed a golden opportunity Alfie. It's been like TWO or THREE YEARS, but we thirst for it.
> See's 20 minute 50 second video explaining issue
> Skips to 15 minutes to get summary
> Time saved: 20 minutes, 35 seconds.
what about when Barcelona threatened to leave la liga and join ligue 1
May have to do just that at this point lol
Basler was some baller.
Has this channel made a video on the origins of Major League Soccer?
You might be interested in what's going on in the Lowland League at Vale of Leithen...
Played 15, Won 0, Drawn 0, Lost 15, For 5, Against 96!
What on Earth?
Ay up lad monopolistic means lots of small firms with little market share in a single market, just learnt about this one in school today proper boring lesson though but you can only really refer to that as a monopoly league not monopolistic
Hoeneß wearing a St. Pauli shirt feels so wrong...
Retter ist halt Retter...
They should have let them leave. I want to see if they could actually fill the stadium if they played in serie A
here’s your chance to do a one off gaming video, seeing how bayern would get on in serie a on fifa or fm
Video Suggesion : The History of Uniao De Tomar
What happened to Panathinaikos?
We would have welcomed Bayern München in Serie A. Would be nice to have another AC Milan fan big rival in town 👍
Glad to see the concept of ruling with an iron fist and obliterating all those in one's path is still popular in their part of the world...
And thats the only club who got fans all over the country😂🔫
I thought Monaco threatened to leave Ligue 1 for Italy too.
As a German Id be fine with Bayern leaving. I just want my league back
So what you'd rather have some oil money takeover?
@@aalamahmad25 I really don’t know at this point. Like most Germans I don’t want investors to come in to the league but I don’t see how Bayern would not win Bundesliga every single year if it continues like this. Its not like our league isn’t strong (maybe Im biased but I think Bundesliga is the third best league) Bayern are just way to dominant. Dortmund, Leipzig and Leverkusen should implement a strategy of not selling managers and players to Bayern
Watch the 2bundesliga then it is also a german league
That would just mean that Bvb would start winning more titles wouldn't have to sell as many stars since they are winning things and get more money and be in pretty much the same position.
@@lps2013 No i doubt that would happen. Bayern are so unique in their status because they were the only consistent german top team over the last 40 year. Most young german talents dream of playing for Bayern one day its really not the same with BVB. Dortmund finished fourth twice in the last few years and Leverkusen, Gladbach, Wolfsburg, Leipzig and even Frankfurt would be massive challenges every year
The title got me like what the actual fuck....
I can't even remember this Bayern "threat". The Munich board has been quite erratic in its declarations and talked a lot of shit during this time (still does at times) so it doesn't surprise me. There was some BS coming from the Bayern corner on a monthly basis.