Reddit Just Discovered a New Squad Bug, and it Breaks the Game...
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- Reddit just discovered a Squad bug whereby your FPS directly affects how the weapon sway and recoil on your gun actually work. This fundamentally changes how the game functions and should be played. In this video I investigate the bug both in the training area and in a live server, as well as discuss the impact the bug will have on the game.
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0:00 - The intro
3:09 - The real-world experimentation 
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Hey Slorgs, great video as always!
Some more information from us at Offworld on this. We will be making a bigger more official statement on it next week, but we have been aware of this issue for a short while now and have been workshopping a few fix options for this. It's important to know that this isn't a byproduct of the 6.0 update, the underlying problem is related to how sway is calculated.
Just know that it's a high priority for us, and we will be updating the entire community on this as soon as we possibly can, which is hopefully early next week. Thanks! ^ Ceeg
Well I imagine when the ICO destroyed weapons with more sway it only amplified the issue
Thanks. I figured this was a programming error that just needed someone to find or report the bug. I'm sure it got raised pretty high in the priority list, but as a low FPS player the scope movement was crazy. I'm sticking with iron sights or Squad 44. Squad players should play Squad 44 too. :)
have fun giving people free 244 hrtz monitors like some others have this is a clear advantage players will obtain from these high refresh rate monitors, hope it gets fixed.
Get rid of ICO! ITS BAD
Do you realize people would not have these bullshit weapon sway complaints if you just optimized the fucking game. Maybe, players with rtx 2080's and below should get 30-40 fps on the most dogshit settings. How about you allocate some resources into fixing your shitty game and stop trying to release half assed maps that no one will play
Being poor is officially now a skill issue.
Always has been and always will be lol
Not living in First world country now is skill issue
@@coolhwip6638calm down guy😂💀
My por 1660ti can't handle the gun properly... should I send her to the military camp?
Honestly don't worry since even good pc runs at like fucking 90 fps because of how this game is optimised.
"stick to low FPS" like it's my choice 😭
I used to run this game on epic settings on stable 144 fps. Haven't played for a year or two now and now I'm barely getting 40-50 FPS on medium to low settings. Well done.
Since 5 days ago im getting "Out of video memory trying to allocate a texture!" message when game freezes after playing for about hour and a half or 2 hours. Dafuk? I was pretty happy with performance after i switched to dx11 from dx12 and 7.3.1 hotfix update finally fixed 95% of stuttering so i started playing game for hours every day and then VRAM disaster struck.... -.- the only solution i found is to restart pc to clear VRAM usage because it's always at about 2gb after exiting game and just idling in windows. My RX 6600 have 8gb of VRAM and i dont see how textures in Squad that are often poor quality justify high VRAM usage. For example what are people who have something like RTX 2060 or RX 5600XT with 6gb of VRAM going to do? Put everything on low or dont play at all?
@@novinovic298 Try DX11!
@@novinovic298 man this game just getting worse, INF only maps were so good
@@rockade2408 Im a big fan of combined arms warfare so i prefer larger maps and as much vehicle action as possible. In fact i would like even more vehicles, more vehicle types, ugvs and kamikaze drones, larger maps with attack helicopters and mobile AA but i know that is never going to happen. But yes maps that are originally ment for infantry only combat do run much better than larger maps designed with vehicles in mind. It looks like engine they use is at fault and not really suited for game of Squad's type.
@@novinovic298what's your processor tho
oh, so that makes sense now. People complain about ICO being bad, but devs dont see the issue because they never play on low fps...this is crazy.
This isn't the only issue with ico but I'm sure that is a contributor.
Fuck, I just want to like squad, but yeah, shooting for me is pretty much restricted. I often lag for a good second, before I can shoot back. Guys with better PCs are straight up menace to me.
@slorgs just to calirify, it wasn't reddit that discovered it, it was me and a guy called satrox. We've raised a bug report with a lot of video evidence you can find on official Squad Discord.
Heart this, Mr SlawrgZ!
whats worse is they have known about it but kept quite
My God, ground breaking new !.... Know one gives a fuck
"hmm yes. punish the peasants" - some Squad dev, probably
You must be dense as a rock to think these “bugs” are intentionally coded, its an unoptimised game, ambitious and to blame devs for targeting people with low spec systems is plain silly.
@@brokencat2662 you must be denser than osmium to not realise that was a joke. don't reproduce please
Basing mechanics on frame rate is so archaic, I'm surprised anyone is still doing it
This is some GTA San Andreas level stuff. It's emabrrassing
By the way it's basically just a missing multiplication by the time that passes between frames.... in every game engine... (not just unity) as a dev, it's extremely embarassing to not know.
@@JohnnyEMatos for real this shit used to happen on gta games until IV
Some mf just forgot to multiply by deltaT and now we're fucked lol
In Resident Evil 2 & 4 Remake the higher your FPS the more damage your knife does.
a combination of this and extremely poor optimization of the game could explain a lot of angry moments from me and others
dude 70% my 1v1s are - dude lasersniped me when i was still waiting to stabilize even though i saw him first.
You didn't notice anything was a miss for almost a year, so no you just need to git gud.
@@kobi399 You don't know me or what I've said for the past year. This is definitely something I have been complaining about along with FPS performance. Good bait though.
@shibbet if it was so obvious to you where is your reddit post? Where is your bug report? I don't see you mentione anything anywhere.
@@kobi399 you’re a moron 👍
Wait you're telling me OWI made a critical error and a bug that completely breaks the game??? No way!!!
haha yeah bro, bring back INF SMall maps, i used to play that so much, now, i spawn in, cant get into a team and then get in a heli then die all after 30 mins of inthe game
@@rockade2408 Small infantry maps still exist? Chora, Logar, Sumari Bala, in a way Mutaha, in a way Fallujah and if you're really desperate for infantry-team-deathmatch seeding is optimal for that
@@josephstarling4609 check out the pinned comment ;)
As a game designer OWI excels in gameplay, balance and immersion...
As a dev, holy shit the spaghetti code that runs all OWI games feels like its being held together with silly string and could disintegrate in any second. Battlefield 3, a game over 13 years old looks and runs better all while featuring fully fledged environmental destruction while last week in Squad I witnessed a Bradley gat launched into orbit because it hit an indestructible tree.
Even non Squad OWI games like Starship Troopers run just as badly which doesnt bode well when compared to similar games like Helldivers. For the love of god just switch to UE5 and hire more backend staff, whats the point in being partially owned by Tencent if this is all you can get?
Wait you're telling me game companies make mistakes and leave in bugs? No way! But seriously tho this isn't OWI only
I play at 30 fps...Damn...
Damn, that weapon stabilization change at 120fps is nuts, its almost zero'd immediately with minimal sway.
It all makes sense to me now. I run at 140 FPS constant in most scenarios and I always think people are exaggerating the sway when they talk about it, and I always feel like I have to use single fire just to get dropped by some dude using full auto at medium range. Damn...
im dropping to 10 in firefights and i can assure you the sway is everywhere. Also many times im wondering how people are so accurate so fast.
Yeah, I recently upgraded from i7-8700k 1080ti to 7800x3d and 4080, and I HAVE been noticing that I'm playing better. I thought it was just the frames not holding me back anymore, but I guess there's more to it lmfao
You do not understand the idea behind this update. If your soldier (you) was broke before enlisting (buying squad) then he is malnourished and barely has the strength to hold a rifle. Its more realistic that way
Yup, I knew it, thats why I keep missing my shots when it should land....
I always wondered how folks were able to have stable sights during large fire fights…. 😢
Exactly this man... Everytime I watch this shit I'm like "how the fuck is it so much better than mine?"
You've exposed the secret... the council will remember this.
Lol
So my potato running the game at 40FPS locked gives me more of an disadvantage than i thought.... daaaamn
Out of curiosity what specs r u running?
@@hackfreak2k7 i5-7500, GTX 1060 6GB, 16GB of RAM
That 4 core 4 thread CPU is struggling... It can get slightly more than 40FPS but it's unstable. with 40 lock I get consistent 40.
@@damgam98 i hope when i buy the game my i5-8300 n 1050 will survive that around 60 fps
@@hasankeskin5562 That's gonna be weaker than mine so, don't expect that.
@@damgam98same shit, before ico it was stable 60+ even when shit hits the fan, now it’s 30 in heavy battles, and 40-50 when out of a heavy battle
This explains so much, I used to enjoy squad before the infantry updates. But the weapons and framerate have seemed to be far worse since, so I barely play anymore
Aiming down scope can sometimes drop below 20fps for me, and that's with graphics optimizations!
Kind of wild to see this...I'm not a coding guru but it makes me wonder how they are calculating recoil and weapon sway in their code.
A possible explanation for this is that game devs tie fps to their physics engines in order to simplify development since they don't have to worry about combining physics and rendering frames together. The issue with this is if the FPS gets too low or high, then the entire game physics engine breaks and starts running out of sync calculations which may be a reason why sway may be extreme for lower FPS individuals. An example of a game breaking with too high of a fps is when older versions of Skyrim run above an uncapped FPS of 60, carts begin to float and things start speeding up. I can see why they did this to speed up development but it's extremely lazy in a game like this that relies a lot on physics and further calculations.
I used to play this game at a stable 70 fps with a GTX 1060. Now I own a 12gb 3060 and I play at 40/60 with low-medium graphics. I know the 3060 is not the best graphics card, but I hope they manage to do something to improve performance, because it's not like I want to spend more money on a graphics card that I will only use on some weekends. I still love the game though
Might buy a gtx1060/80 just to run this better it's ridiculous on my rtx3050 runs like 💩
My 3060 seems to do just fine on high graphics settings.
@@92ford13 desktop gpu?
I mean, you should probably check your CPU more than you check your GPU in Squad. While Squad utilises multiple cores, it's still basically limited by a single core that loads most of the stuff, basically making your entire Squad experience locked behind your CPU's single-core performance.
The game is definitely becoming less optimized, in part due to new, more detailed maps, and in part due to changes like PiP scopes, but as I said, mostly due to increasing CPU load, not GPU. 3060 is more than 2x faster than 1060, so having decreased FPS with a better GPU in the same game is a clear sign that the GPU is not the bottleneck here
@MR_Foffe im running a 13th Gen Core i5 @3.5ghz Usually on Turbo at 5.1ghz, coupled with an RTX 3050. Its almost painful to play sometimes. Switching graphics settings in the middle of the battlefield just for a better frame rate. I think it has alot to do with cpu dumps too
This explains sooooo much now. I also just want to add that if you throw fps spikes in there, they reset distance travelled from away, so I’d it happens near the end of the directional sway, it will then redo that sway and basically double the drift.
yes
OWI have historically been pretty shit developers. The game is great but the quality is just awful. Every update everything just breaks. And they can’t communicate upcoming developments, it just lands like dog vomit on your couch.
Mate, calm down. They do a lot of great things, this is a bit harsh lol
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My god, it's the greatest warrior of Allah.
This game was genuinley better before the infantry combat overhaul, still fun but it always strikes me how much worse it is now, I really miss the old game
Agree 100 percent. All my friends stopped playing.
ICO was great as an idea. Execution on the other hand is subpar. I just want to like and play the game:(
It was even better before release (like 2019 ish) when they actually had an optimized game
Oh my god THATS WHY?
Devs with 3000 fps Nasa pc: " But I see no issue"
you can tell they barely test any of the stuff they add fking joker devs
You can sharpen the dlss and scope clarity in options making it clearer but you will still get the fps drop scoped in.
had a great round with you slorgs man, i did sub dont worry ;)
Huuuuge
Tying animation settings to the frames like daddy Bethesda...
Not having the skill of exploiting, grabbing, gaslighting and manipulating others who actually are skilled at something worthwhile to make yourself rich is definitely a skill issue.
i hated OWI enough as it is... they genuinely do not want you to play their game unless your PC is bulletproof.. they know how shitty their optimization is
so what i'm hearing is guys in your squad with sick rigs are now Designated marksmen/Scoped rifleman, and if your like me on a potato your a Machine gunner/Auto-riflemen. just work it out when you get in the lobby lol
Explains a lot, Ive never managed above 30fps at the lowest levels. Thanks for making me feel better. (Gotta get a new computer)
There is also the possibility that when the FPS drops, the weapon may stop firing.
LOL that's horrific. How? HOW?
FPS being tied to physics engine, commonly done to speed up game development. Delta time and time-step were not looked into when they did ICO is my guess.
@@Enrique-pc3eq thanks for this! Appreciate the breakdown :)
@@Enrique-pc3eq i dont think any of the shit they do is looked into, game just keeps getting worse
@@Enrique-pc3eq I think it's because the sway is based on delta time instead of being based on time.
Also run and gun is the preferred play style considering the guns feel like 45 pound plates when you shoulder the weapon for aim down sights.
thats actually wild
7:10 this explains why I saw you standing still while in admin cam 😂
You spying on me
@@slorgs lmao I was I little sad cause I couldn’t say high while in cam it was nice seeing you in our server 1stRB hope to see you around
Somehow, I'm not surprised
Brooo, on some maps I have ~75 FPS. On some other maps, 30 😢 some of the most popular maps have places and directions I cant look in or I drop by 20FPS instantly. When there's an arty, the game runs with practically negative FPS and time reverses ffs.It's always been kind of like this but for the last few updates (unsure if It's like this since ICO, because I was always an ICO enjoyer) my "performance" has been feeling incredibly choppy and never knew why. This is fukin it....
Oh, by the way, squad doesn't actually Apple most of your graphics settings without restarting the game, the I think the results with restart would be even worse.... trust me, I've been on the settings page for hours....
There was speculation abput lag upping your sway too. Is that sway at 30 fps actually represented on the sway indicator on the stamina bar ie the sway is calculatd to be more? Or is it just a graphic bug?
squad be like : We Fix a Problem
New Bug : Hello Sir
@slorgs you can increase you resolution scaling on look down scope to combat the "prioritize AA on scope" bs with DLSS enabled. I run mine at 125.
Imagine Tarkov had a bug where with high fps you were shooting at higher fire rate than with lower fps
i was just about to get back into squad after not playing since 2019/2020 and now i think im going to wait just a little bit longer
now i know why i always losing gunfight while using scoped weapon
I'd be curious if AMD's Fluid Motion frames affects this. If so, I may turn it back on to get those 200-300 FPS
So this why i always loose on CQC
Maximum PiP settings would mean: High FPS outside of ADS for reduced recoil in hipfire full auto spray, and low FPS for ADS with single fire precision!
finally something to regulate my skills
I am guessing what ever formulas the devs are using for recoil and weapon sway have large errors relating to the time set dt between each from. Ideally this would have been something the devs would have minimized or used a formula that is stable above say 15 fps or a time step of ~67ms.
squad used to run great on my 1050 ti a few years ago and now it runs like complete shite
Dayum same still using the old 1050 ti
same it is one of the reasons i dont play squad anymore . +2 years ago i player many years with 1050ti +50 fps but last couple years 30 fps is blessing with f mud graphics
Squad is mostly CPU dependent, get on with the time
barely looks better and sound design got worse
I wonder is the POI(Point of impact) the same or not before stabilization maybe it's just a visual thing I hope someone tests and check if the POI is the same as the POA (Point of aim) for the higher frames and for the lower frames too because if not that's even a worse thing!
now it explains everything, hope they fix it asap because since the last updates the game runs for me at 30 fps :\
I play with 60-70 fps and I naturally preferred the iron sight over scopes cos the sway was so unbearable. It makes so much sense now.
dude finished his bootcamp vs dude holding a rifle for the first time of his life.
In addition to this bug, I also encounter another one. that all m16s that have a cutoff of 3 rounds when the fps drops shoot much slower or don’t shoot at all. I don’t have such a bug with ak or other types of weapons. can you please check this case?
i think ive had this issue with all battle rifles. i actuall;y replaced my mouse thinking it was my left clicker
I run harju, falluja... at 40 fps with my toaster. I didn't understand why I was so much better in small maps, bc 60fps to 40 fps isn't that much for tracking and aiming.
Yes, your reaction time is slower with lower fps, but sometimes I would lose duels that I was aiming and shooting first. (I broke a headset in one of those instances) got to the point I was unconsciously avoiding infantry in those maps.
Im playing at 30-40 on my laptop right now. Back home i get 150 on the desktop, i knew it felt weird
WOW NOW I KNOW WHY, I thought I was playing the game wrong Wondering why tf peoples aim where a lot more stable then mine...
and i thought I was high when my character was swaying that shit around
so that explain alot of times. I'm having a hard time aim at squad, to the point when every gun fight is just me fix firing at the enemies position other than trying to kill them
I really hope they are working on a Squad sequel on say UE5.4
Even on a 3070 which was considered as the higher end GPU 3 years ago I still had poor performance on Squad.
Well, this actually explains a lot...
Lately I haven't been playing, because even though I enjoy the changes they've made to the gameplay in recent months I've always felt like people had an easier time landing shots on me than I did them, and I know I'm not great, but I was tired of gettin whacked so much. Now I know why I felt that way I spose.
same kind of bug Tarkov had when recoil was tied to fps
that drop in the fps when you aim is the worst thing in squad right now i wish they fix it and make some optimization to the game with the new updates ... cuz we realy hate that ... not forgeting the servers and how bad they are right now ...
Ive been saving for a new PC anyway lol I have a GTX 1080 and its a beast but its not getting any newer.
this is a comment for the algorithm
Now that explains my suffering (I play on lowest settings while still getting 40 to 50 fps and even then I keep getting fps drops for some reason
I noticed that when I have poor FPS, it is incredibly hard to aim. Meanwhile, for some reason, when I played on global escalation servers, my FPS was 100-120 and I noticed that there was almost no sway while aiming.
I thought it was because of the mod itself and not related to fps.
Yeah but that MOD also definitely has something that makes aiming and shooting easier, I used to get Same FPS on both that modded server and unmodded server and fighting was much easier in Global escalation server
From what I read in that mod's workshop, Global escalation is closer to pre ICO gunplay wise so the mod def. plays a part there too
This game has a great un-optimization. I got ~45 fps in narva with 7800xt. And 60-80 in other maps. I got 120fps+ on other games.
I hope they now focus on optimization thanks to this discovery. Fck man give back my unfullfilled hours because of low FPS, I've been grinding for soo long..
It really makes a lot more sense now why the community is so divided over the ICO. I never really understood all the complaints about noodly arms and also why so many people are firing at me at full auto when I feel like I can only do single shots lol.
I honestly get 40-50 fps on maps like Fallujah (sometimrs worse) though sometimes around 60 on more open maps. I actually just upgraded my CPU considerably and i hva e 1660 gtx (which is older but not nad imo) . So yeah, this is troubling
are AT launchers any good with higher FPS?
This means all the salt about people hating/loving the ICO was because we were never playing the same game lmao. We were just talking past each-other the whole time.
Just to clarify it was Discord member "Lick Assley" who discovered this
I always knew the gunplay in this game was terrible. Never knew it was this terrible.
Low fps is great for marksman and sniper classes
@slorgs i have one eye and i even saw that guy shotting at you 3:50
Also what is with DX11? what are you testing here????
My 2060 on medium settings stay winning lmao, some people with 3080s get like 40 fps after patches, and people with 1050tis and stuff are just stuck in low
When he said, if you run this game at 30fps i feel sorry for you.
IM PLAYING ON AVERAGE 24FPS with lag spikes every few seconds
But I still got positive K/D every round and have fun most of the time so this isnt everything
OPTIMIZE SQUAD PLLLLSSSSSS
Secondly, THIS is likely why some are liking the ICO and so many hate it and stopped playing lol.
I just stopped aiming, ADSing, and ONLY hipfire
Try it on Fallujah
Seems like a technical issue with the solution they have chosen to implement. But hopefully shouldn't be an issue to fix for em.
In shambles rn
Back to PR then
so what is the sweet spot
They just need bring aim how it was before overhaul only bring hand stamina and keep the suppression
I stopped playing squad because the lagging was killing me. Its also for some reason so much easier to aim an m4 over Ak-12 which just pisses me off.
Squad devs finna get bombarded
Slorgs what’s your PC Specs?
Nvidea 3080, AMD Ryzen 5800 x3d, 32gb RAM
@@slorgs Solid specs, I have a Laptop with RTX 2060 and i7 10th gen, haven’t played SQUAD since late last year due to horrible Performance I was getting and my Laptop used to get hot enough to toast a bread, I have heard optimisation is better than it was when ICO was new but I am waiting for when I build a PC later this year to finally return to SQUAD
@slorgs it's sad that with a 3080, your game still struggles when scoped in.
@@thesilentassassin1167 Bro, dont even try tbh. I upgraded from a 1070, to a 2080 with a Ryzen 5 3600x. Not the best but enough to play most modern games which are decently optimised at high settings with about 70-120 fps. I literally found cyberpunk easier to run than squad. I tried to redownload the game a few days ago to see if i can run it better this time, but to no surprise, running everying on the lowest setting only let me get up to 45 fps. I used to love this game so much, but the fact that the developers are so out of touch with their game makes me not want to touch it again
@@ammarabu-qalbain616 yeah it’s sad to see, pretty much every update they list optimisation as one of the improvements but still most people getting shitty FPS, unless you have beefiest RIGs you can’t enjoy the game, even most demanding latest AAA games with beautiful graphics are better optimised than this
Well I honestly guess I won't be playing Squad anymore. I thought everyone had the same sway and stuff as me 😂 My PC isn't bad, Squad is the only game where my PC struggles though and I rock 30-45 FPS, on good days i may be around 50-55 but when shit hits the fan and there's alot going on my FPS may go as low as 20. I'm an AMD user though and not too familiar with what Squad utilizes more, GPU or CPU wise.
no matter what i do i always have 60 fps, whyyyyy, i want moreee
disable vsync
your monitor can only refresh the image at 60fps aka 60 htz
sad 40-60 fps noises
I’ve said it from the beginning, the ico totally stuffed the game.
This is why I don’t use scoped weapons
I get 50 fps on the lowest settings, the sway is so bad