I do want to mention a couple things to Bonny's credit that aren't as bad as I originally thought. Firstly, she did not purchase the wool rug herself, she didn't know there was wool in it, it was not a conscious decision for what that's worth. Secondly, she has pulled back on her statement about eating cholesterol making her healthier in a more recent video.
Cholesterol is a marker, not a cause of cvd - talking about reverse causality. The diet-heart hypothesis was false, it's been debunked with randomized controlled trials, and the dietary guidelines have been changed, no longer limiting dietary fat and cholesterol. You should know this by now, so you're either ignorant, or you're purposely lying.
@@KarasekUS You're wrong. And whose guidelines are you talking about? Did you check any European or Canadian guideline for that matter? Only the US guideline is fucked up - and even they do not recommend unlimited fat and cholesterol, don't be a fool.
@@naibaf710 openheart.bmj.com/content/3/2/e000409 - it says that _"RCT [randomized controlled trials] evidence currently available does not support the current dietary fat guidelines"_ and that *reducing blood cholesterol **_"did not result in significant differences in CHD [coronary heart disease] or all-cause mortality._*_ Government dietary fat recommendations were untested in any trial prior to being introduced."_ www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext _"High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. _*_Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke._*_ Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings."_ And the current Canadian dietary guidelines are a joke. I know Sick the Vegan made a propaganda video about it saying that's what he actually eats less the egg - but that's why he looks like death on vacation.
@@KarasekUS And here's why you cannot take these studies for a reference as to why fat = safe, carbs = not safe: www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(17)31216-0/pdf In fact, the confounding factor here was that poor people = insufficient nutrition, and because carbs are more affordable than fats, this was a false causation claim by the PURE study. In conclusion, the data collected does not sufficiently link dietary patterns (removing confounding factors) to health outcome. You can trash it now.
Doctor: Your cholesterol is too low. Vegan: But I feel fine, show no signs of negative health impact or declining, am killing it in the gym and surpassing everyone else's scores off the charts, blood pressure amazing heart rate amazing.. Doctor: You're dying. Eat eggs.
John Mcadam Doctor: your cholesterol is too high Carnivore: But i feel better than ever, all blood markers are better, performance in sport is better, skin, mood, libido... all improve Doctor: you are dying... cut the fat
vegan: I don't have a doctor. nor would I ever listen to their nutrition advice. It's pretty much guaranteed that they know less about nutrition than I do
Happy Healthy Vegan recently posted a related video, I'll repeat what I said there: I've had cholesterol readings of 77, total, in the past (LDL - 29) ... my cardiologist was surprised at this, but NOT displeased or alarmed. My GP had a similar reaction. As someone who had a heart attack 6 years ago (and subsequently went WFPB), I'm very happy to have "abnormal" low cholesterol readings, and the doctors concur. I run long distances regularly, and am in MUCH better health than I was before. No problems. I'd be willing to bet Bonny's cholesterol isn't lower than that (cardiologist said it was the lowest he'd ever seen) ... it's NOT a problem. The issue with very low cholesterol has to do with WHY it's low - if it's the result of underlying disease, THEN there's reason for concern ... concern about the underlying disease.
@@miguelangeldomingueztejeda4270 Lol you do not know biology. Cholesterol is not an agent against infection, neither is it a hormone. While required for good biological function, the circulatory levels of cholesterols need not be high for normal function. Most animals, including humans, have normal circulatory level when on the right diet. With a plant-based diet, humans have absolutely sufficient and safe levels of cholesterol. Not so on a SAD diet, that's dangerous.
@Fabian Tschopp - Well said. As Mic points out in the video, even LDL levels that are half of my quite low number show no ill effects. And personally, I run half marathons very regularly - if my levels were insufficient I'd expect it to show up there somehow. My docs ain't worried. :)
that sounds pretty scary if you have had heart attack already. Do you get heart palpitations? I think most vegan diets have a lot of sugar in them and sugar definitely makes my heart palpitate to the point when i can't sleep.
Aldes - Not scary at all. I built up to running half marathons over a 5 year period ... little by little, "one step at a time", literally. And eating a whole food plant based diet leads to low cholesterol levels, such that one can become virtually "heart attack proof", as Dr. Esselstyn puts it. WFPB ftw! (And no, no palpitations.)
@@bgtubber You know most of our cholesterol is produced by our own body (around 80%). It is highly probable that cholesterol have a significant function in our body (other than just be the main structural block for the brain).
Possibly, considering heart disease is a metabolic problem and not an inherent cholesterol problem. Lowering your LDL to unphysiological levels to prevent plaque formation is not the same thing as preventing heart disease. Heart disease is bioenergetic, this is why people who are "pre-sick" are labeled with metabolic syndrome. It doesn't suddenly become a cholesterol issue after plaque starts forming, it's still a metabolic issue. However most these RUclips health gurus have never studied cellular physiology, so citing cholesterol studies makes them feel educated. So preventing plaque, a symptom, is not the same as preventing the disease. Kind of like saying if I take ibuprofen to prevent a fever, I no longer have the flu, lol.
@@jasonmooreplease120 unphysiological??? Um, I know your ideology allows you to justify eating lots of meat and cheese, but please stop spewing nonsense from you fringe compatriots. Using such words just make you sound uninformed and, well, fringy.
At this point I’d have more “respect” for a vegan saying ‘guys I just don’t want to be vegan anymore, I’m sick of it’ versus all these people giving long winded medical excuses. Case in point Nikocado Avocado. Just like you said once that switch goes the flood gates open.
I have no "respect" for omnivours who tear down vegans. A lot of people make the switch when they have too many health problems, not the other way around. I always keep it to myself but as soon as someone who eats differently finds out it's a constant barrage of misinformation and somewhat hateful opinions. Keep it to yourself and ill do the same, capeesh?
Jessica X I so agree with you... when one is a fraud it is much more difficult to handle. When one owns up to whatever they are, it’s just the truth. Truth is easier to digest than lies. It’s like Charlie Sheen - he’ll tell people outright what he’s up to - women, drugs, whatever, and no one really cares, it’s just him. Tiger Woods on the other hand was a fraud - and fraud was the reason the public had a hay-day with his scandal. I personally can’t stand lack of integrity.
I’ve been waiting for this video! My levels are around 45, and my mom often told me that it’s too low. I was a little worried but deep down I knew it wasn’t something to be concerned about. Thanks for the info, Mic!!
Just made a video with my blood test results on a traditional bodybuilding diet Vs my vegan bodybuilding diet. My LDL dropped from 106 to 54!! I can't believe I had high cholesterol working out every day and being 17years old at the time. But I did. Eating cholesterol raises cholesterol!
Andrei Vlad That's true tho. Per calorie way more plants are more nutrient dense than meats. Like. Literally just Google a broccoli, spinach, sweet potatoes. Per calorie, they have WAY more nutrients than chicken, beef, pork, or fish.
Rafael Pinto Congrats! I experienced the same drop, and I'm way different than you (old, female). Shows what you eat is really important when it comes to cholesterol no matter what your particulars are.🌱
@Keto Aries oh I make a living? I don't monetize my videos, I don't sell any products or coaching, I have a law degree and I'm getting my masters in law. That's cool bro😂
This type of behavior that Bonnie is now expressing is typical of anyone who switches sides in something they were once passionate about. They want to justify and rationalize it so they can feel good about their decisions. Even if they known they're wrong.
She is still better than someone who went straight carnivore. Also eating eggs and meat was the only thing which gave them relief from loosing their health. No one was there for them to give them the right answer that would have given them relief and would have kept them from going nonvegan. And they did try to find a vegan solution. I'm just saying I understand why she would go non vegan. It's easier to stay vegan if your health is alright. For example I'm 172cm tall and 60 kg-s, constantly farting from legumes and bread type things, which I don't even eat very often. My wife on the other hand is struggling to loose weight. She is a hundred kilos. We're eating the same things. We have been vegan for about 1,5 years, mostly whole foods. We hope to get the money together so we can do the tests on Goji man's site and find out what's going on in our bodies, but it's really a question of can you find the person who can give you the answer you need to stay healthy.
Hey guys, RUclips is asking me if I want to activate memberships. My intuition is to NOT do it because it seems to be very commercialized and favor people that pay over those that don't. Let me know your thoughts and if there are any valid benefits besides money :)
What memberships are: It's basically just patreon, but you instead get stuff like special badges when you comment here, next to your name. It's not "pay to watch my videos". Don't overreact, y'all.
It's more like here doctor is misleading her, causing confusing for her and her audience. Thanks to Mic for using science to set the record straight, I do hope she realizes how she is being misled.
Why are people like her even making such misinformed videos on these subjects :/ The animal abuse aside (promoting eggs, fish, chicken, wool and down in just the last week alone as ethical) why does someone so young and with such a large young following not take it seriously that she is misinforming such a very influential fanbase about very serious potential health issues. Gosh darn.
@@swissladydriver8980 Let's say you have an audience of 300 thousand people. They say "I was having issues, but I had a ton of trans fat and my problems went away!" What do you think will happen? Bonny would mislead those some 300 thousand people into thinking that their problems can be solved with having a ton of trans fat too. However, in doing so, she's potentially inflicting her fanbase with very serious health issues. *NOT* okay. Spreading misinformation like that is SOOO dangerous. Of course it's wrong.
@@swissladydriver8980 The only natural place trans fats are found is in animal products... It's synthetically found in vegetable oil because of hydrogenation. Hydrogenation makes its behavior similar to animal trans fats. You know that she's not an expert and to not to take her anecdotal advice, but you're not the 300k viewers she has. Spreading false and misleading information is potentially deadly. People have full right to criticize her for that. "may be some people who are having the same issues and might want to make the changes that she has and see if it works for them." Exactly!! This is what makes it dangerous! People are going to misattribute their problems and follow her actions. This is the core of the issue with her spreading misinformation... it's for this very reason.
she has/had potential health issues. some ppl are having trouble producing non essential nutrients due to chronic meat dependence. sounds like carnist rhetoric but Klaper used these words yesterday on PBN.
@@swissladydriver8980 Even small amount of trans fats has been shown to be detrimental to health. Besides, then there's also saturated fats. Saturated fats have also been shown to be detrimental to health. It's just that a small amount of saturated fats is still fine for you. For trans fats? Why not just cut them out completely? If your goal is less heart disease then just don't have either, right? "Where's the evidence of that?" Please watch/rewatch the video. This entire video is about correcting her misinformation. Mic sources it with evidence too.
If she were that concerned she could just make herself a vegan grilled cheese. They're delicious and all sorts of unhealthy. Beer battered nori coated celeriac root freshly fried up on a bun with vegan remoulade... Delicious! And, you guessed it, completely unhealthy. Oh, and no dead chickens. :)
I use my score of 37 LDL to casually eat grilled cheese anytime anyplace. Whenever my mom and I meet she gets mad I eat too much junk food,strange coming from the woman that before I was vegan would feed me only fried shit I hadn't eaten a green vegetable until age 15 lol...
Great video, Mic. I'm a doctor and I have worked with cardiologists when I was a junior. One told me he had very high total cholesterol. But he was like "whatever. I just take statins." He genuinely thought that statins should be in the water supply. This is a guy whose JOB it was to site stents all day into atherosclerotic coronary arteries. So, patients don't have a lot of hope when their doctors are like that.
Every doctor I have been to has essentially told me I should not be vegan. "At least eat eggs or milk, for nutrients," I've heard. Luckily, I know that medical education does NOT equal nutrition education. Also, If vegans were a solid percentage of the population, and I had the government sneaking B12 into my food the way they do for folic acid in bread or fluoride in the water supply, I'm sure people and doctors would freak out a lot less about my health. (P.S. Please DO listen to your doctor's recommendations unless you've done your research on the vegan diet.)
SUPER important points on mixing up the cause and effect when it comes to health! Also MORE ALIEN SKITS, MORE ALIEN SKITS 😹👽😹. Vegan space nerds unite! ✊
Thanks for responding to her follow up videos. In your first response you were sympathetic but as you said the slack has really run out on her and she continues to flip the switch on what she 'knew' before. I'm glad you included Tofu Goddess' response about the wool rug, which really just shows she's veered straight off into the abyss. Having met her briefly in person (at a vegan restaurant) it's sad to see her promoting increasing one's cholesterol.
@@verenakalins4316 It's not really either way, it's more just highlighting her hypocrisy. She made a video saying she is 100% cruelty free apart from eggs and fish, but then in the next video shows a wool rug.
Been binge watching your videos Mic ever since I FINALLY decided to become vegan( just started last November). Nice to see a channel that dicusses vegan in a scientific and logical approach. Can't wait for the next video!
I am constantly surprised by people who know their numbers. I have never been tested for anything in 30 years of being vegan, have always felt great and never felt a need to waver from this way of eating/living.
Are you in the UK Nicola? It isn't that easy to get a full blood test in the UK. unlike America where you have to pay. Only if you're actually ill or showing weird symptoms do they test and even then we don't realise we can have a print out and study it for ourselves. We are happy to let the Dr tell us what's wrong and never question it. I had a full blood test done after 2 years vegan because of Mal de Debarkment symptoms and I found the results fascinating. I was pleased that I knew I could have a printout after watching YT and realising I could. Dr .btw. was really pleased with cholesterol of 3.3 I was 51, he said just keep doing what you're doing.
@Samara V Hamilton I beg your pardon, but it is her business alone if she _doesn't_ discuss it on social media as a means for justifying behavior publicly. Once she started tattling on herself, her viewers were within their rights to wonder about corroboration of this intimate detail that she has broadcast to all and sundry. The stuff that is my business alone I do not talk about on YT, and goes unremarked upon. See how this works now?
her business, aha. that's why she makes a vid about it.... also, cherry picking the information she feeds her viewers should be encouraged? my guess is her levels are perfectly normal vegan levels and her doctor overreacted. she probably is too scared to announce her normal levels and tries to play the victim by being unspecific. probably looked fo an excuse to stop being vegan as well. looking for attention, shes clearly not the brightest (from that small sample size i got in this video)
Vegan 3 years - my doctor said to me regarding my latest blood test "I don't care how low your cholesterol goes - it's not an issue." She is not a plant based or vegan doctor - she is just a sensible doctor.
I have been vegetarian since I was 15 I was overweight high cholesterol diabetes, 16 months ago I went totally plant base and I've lost 75 lb no more diabetes no more high cholesterol lots of energy and feel great I don't know a whole lot about all this science but I know how i feel, vegan for life ❤️, no matter what all these non-vegans are coming out saying I know the truth and how it works and how I feel ❤️
While I don't have rheumatoid arthritis I DO osteoarthritis throughout my entire body and going vegan has seriously reduced my inflammation and pain. Just sayin.
@@bludaizee24 It was within the first months. She sticks to it for two years now and still haves sometimes vegetarian foods when she is invated for a cake at her friends. And still feels good. She lowered her blood pressure aswell and takes just a half pill of the lowest dose - just in case.
That's awesome, I'm really happy for her. How wonderful to keep up her quality of life. Thanks for responding. I can't wait to share this with my relatives.!
Betsy Smith Same here Betsy! Vegan since two years and I thrive! It’s actually so easy to have higher cholesterol levels on a vegan diet, but it means you have to eat more than two apples and a banana a day. 😉
@@aislinn2468 Our own body produces all the cholesterol we need and to do that it needs fats, especially saturated fats are helping the body to do its intended job. No animals have to be enslaved, confined, raped and killed when they can barely walk from exhaustion and are no longer useful to us (yeah I am talking about 99% of the egg and dairy industry), in order for us to be healthy and thriving. Just a little bit of coconut milk every two weeks or so is enough, while being on a wholefood plantbased diet.
We can turn on and off cancer genes with animal protein We can turn on and off cognitive diossonance with fear of deficencies. --> the next subject of philosophy for ex-vegans
Sounds like the animal agriculture industry paid Rebecca a nice amount of money to change her viewpoint and start making videos about how you need some animal products in your diet. Is that too much conspiracy theory?
When vegans don't want to be vegan anymore....I went through that temptation myself "But eggs are good after all, right? and some farm chickens are treated nicely, right?" Honest conclusion: no and no.
Fabio From an ethical point of view, no matter how well farmers keep their hens they send them to the slaughter house after 2-3 years of producing eggs and they kill the male chicks as well as the factory farming because useless for well. From a nutritional point of view, eggs have a lot of cholesterol to offer and not much nutrition that you can get from other foods. The only way you can get eggs ethically is from someone who has rescued hens from the industry and has them in their backyard until they die.
@@FABIOof119 You are seriously misinformed. First off, the farmers will kill those animals at a very early age for no other reason that they make money and that they taste good. Second, you don't need those lives to survive. After that, some people need supplements vegans or omnivores. Most of all, the biggest killer of small wild animals is animal agriculture. (birds, kangaroos, deer, cats, coyotes, wolves, beavers, groundhogs, mice, foxes, dingoes are killed to protect the domestic animals and their feed). Finally, you can get all nutrients from a plant based diet except B12 (because of intense hygiene) which you may choose to have through fortified foods. B12 comes from a bacteria in the ground, not animal foods.If a vegan diet was not appropriate in all nutrients, we could not have thriving vegan people since birth. We do. I rest my case and yours is dismissed.
@@FABIOof119 yes to every animal its own milk. I am done talking to you. You can't even acknowledge what the American and British Dietician associations are stating. In the meantime, people are thriving on the vegan diet and will keep healthy and strong. Bye. www.greatveganathletes.com
@@FABIOof119 I am not brainwashed vegan. It took me a lot of personal research to get there. And again you are not even able to admit the verdict of trustworthy authorities like the American and British dietary associations. Again I am perfectly healthy after 12 years and very active physically. Wish you the same.
I hate it when my family always tells me I'm not getting enough good cholesterol! Like no my levels are perfectly healthy without all those animal products
@@KarasekUS humans make their own cholesterol, we don't need to consume it human beings are frugivores, our natural diet is fruits and leaves. we are in no way designed to consume animal products additionally we don't need that much fat. our main fuel is carbohydrates I've never heard anything about brain atrophy as a result of a plant based diet lol citation needed
@@aislinn2468 Sure, here it is described: ruclips.net/video/X2qdyKxU0YU/видео.html - and here's the study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18779510 Your liver may have a hard time keeping up with the demand for cholesterol on a plant based diet, especially when it's busy metabolizing all that fructose and cleaning up products of glucose metabolism. Consuming cholesterol means your liver will have to make a little less of it, which is especially beneficial for older people, increasing their life span. And I've never heard such a nonsense as humans being frugivores. lol According to what science? Citation needed. All frugivores or frutarians I've ever seen look like they've been released from Auschwitz. Frutarianism clearly leads to emaciation and thus also brain shrinkage. We are in no way designed to digest plants - only microbes can digest fiber and we have neither a rumen, nor a cecum, we have a short colon, from which you cannot absorb, and that's why you're b12 deficient. And we're certainly not designed to live on sugar, in fact it's the high carbohydrate consumption that increases aging and causes insulin resistance and all the metabolic diseases, including heart disease.
That study was done on elderly people and had no mention of how they were eating. Just because you are vegan does not mean you are b12 deficient. Try and find a study on vegans and report back.
Great video that summed up everything perfectly. Yeah right now Bonny Rebecca is just another carnist like billions of other carnists on earth who justify their animal exploitation with one bad reason after another. You are quite right. There is No need to ever bring her up again, but these things needed to be said.
Mic, thank you for showing us the science behind ideal cholesterol levels. One thing that bothered me about Bonny's "I'm not vegan" video was that she referenced her "elevated inflammatory markers" making her concerned about her potential for rheumatoid arthritis because of her father having the disease and that her omega 6:3 ratios were very out of balance. The out of balance omega 6:3 ratio can cause inflammation (Dr Brooke Goldner speaks of this in relation to healing her lupus as well as many other auto-immune diseases). I saw many of Bonny's videos where she was using lots of runny tahini that she kept in large containers (unrefrigerated - would that have caused it to go rancid since it was ground?), and sesame seeds are higher in omega 6. (And many videos in the past where she was eating out and perhaps eating more omega 6s that way as well). It seems prudent to simply handle the imbalance by taking an omega 3 algae oil supplement and decreasing sources higher in omega 6 to bring her body back into balance and see how that would decrease inflammation as well as looking for foods she might need to eliminate if she had food sensitivities or a leaky gut...basically testing to find out causes of her inflammation. And the plant based docs, like Ornish, Barnard, Fuhrman, Esselystyn, Goldner, all show how their diets help lower inflammation. Dr Goldner has a great visual pathway showing how excess omega 6s from oils and processed foods and arachidonic acid from meat and eggs contribute to inflammation.
I have a funny feeling that Bonny soon will come up with things like : now I'm eating fish for Omega 3, later beef for iron, chicken breast for protein and then the Earth is flat. Great video Mic! I like to watch science proof from your videos and for entertainment Freelee screaming at the meat eaters to stop animal exploitation. Each one of you are doing fantastic job 👏💪 Ps Next month I will celebrate 6 years of being vegan ❤️
I was worry about that until watching your videos because my LDL Cholesterol level is 27, I was like “No way! how can be possible? is this normal or abnormal?”, you helped me dude! I’m happy and healhy without harm, thanks and keep going 💪🏻🌴 lots of loves
No one is going to see this because it's 4 years later but Mic you should not have said anything about the 50-60 range (I get that you said there were not many), but a sample size of 2 should have just been omitted entirely.
Mechanism , Charlie Brown ! MEEECHAAAANIIIIIISMMMM !!! Who's the senior scientist here ? That's right, I'm the one who's here to tell YOU about science !
I am glad you have addressed the various issues that have been brought up by her video. I'm sure many new vegans will find the information very helpful. ..
The RA should actually never be a problem if she remained vegan. Inflammation reduction is key. Instead she eats eggs which are one of THE worst animal products to eat.. it actually causes inflammation...among other things. It’s just really sad she feels the need to even discus her diet. She should change her channel content.
Mic, forever the voice of reason and deep understanding. What would we do without your light?!! The royal WE has rediscovered some truth, and WE hope that ALL of us will hear it and find health and happiness together! That is the end of suffering. Thank you for your guidance!
All of my cholesterol, LDL, and HDL numbers match the low number of the reference range. I’m happy with this. I still cheat by eating junk food. MicTheVegan does seem to be much lower than the reference ranges, but I like oily foods.
Have you ever looked into levels of apolipoprotein B and vegan diet affects on? I read somewhere that this is a better indicator having a heart attack than high cholesterol. From the article: The next time you go in for a medical checkup, your doctor will probably make a mistake that could endanger your life, contends cardiologist Allan Sniderman of McGill University in Montreal, Canada. Most physicians order what he considers the wrong test to gauge heart disease risk: a standard cholesterol readout, which may indicate levels of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) or non-high density lipoprotein (non-HDL) cholesterol. What they should request instead, Sniderman argues, is an inexpensive assay for a blood protein known as apolipoprotein B (apoB).
Ahhhhh!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!! There was just a lot of stuff from Bonnie that I was not jiving with when I continued to watch her videos, and you know what I’m happy I was thinking critically and decided to unsubscribe because she was being very misleading, on top of the fact that she’s in this weird phase of in between, like remarking herself. I just couldn’t keep on with her because she’s clearly still trying to figure stuff out without learning and doing her own research.
very informative and well put together, like always. Thank you so much! The one good thing that came out of all those ex vegans is that the ethical vegans on RUclips got united and become an even stronger voice for the animals.
I've been vegan since November 2017. It's definitely a journey and I learn every day. Thank you for making these videos and helping us understand the science instead of just relying on opinion and emotion. Love your videos!!! Thank you!!!
Worth noting that there are other ways to raise your cholesterol outside eating eggs. No reason to... but based on her goals... raising cholesterol, decreasing fiber, etc. She didn't have to give up the v life to do any of that.
Sometime ago, at least a decade back, I encountered the idea that cholesterol plays a protective role against disease. I can’t remember the source, though. My mom’s cholesterol spiked “dangerously” a couple years before she died from cancer. She took prescription drugs to lower it....I’ve often wondered if that was a mistake. The body is smart, after all. Thanks for the head’s up on high dose b-12 causing acne....used to get pimples within 24 hours of using a well known and highly promoted spray supplement. I’m looking for a product that will allow more control over the dose. Thanks for everything you do. - vegan for life!
I am a vegan. My LDL is 75 and My HDL is 65. I actually think that's a little elivated but when I take into consideration that I have very low levels of vitamin d from being inside all the time. Now that I am supplementing I believe it will even further lower my cholesterol.
Is it wrong to declare my love for you!? You are fantastic and I thank you so much for all the scientific evidence you provide. You are doing the vegan cause a great deal of good. Xxxx
The scary part is Bonnie is talking about how she thought she new it all, but found out she was wrong, and is now talking like she knows it all just differently. She is talking as though she has some expertise and young people will eat it up.
When I was on dairy and the SAD diet (Standard American Diet) I had terrible arthritis in my hands. After suffering to the point that I could hardly type, had ceased playing the piano, gave up knitting and crochet and my husband swapped out all the doorknobs in the house from standard round knobs to lever-style (easier for me to open), I decided to do an elimination diet to see if the arthritis was from what I was eating. As I had had loads of trouble with dairy as a child, I switched to plant-based milks and gave up all dairy. Within one month, most all the pain was relieved, Inside of 3 months the joints in my hands were free of swelling. I did have one distorted joint, one of my pinkies, which still shows that I had arthritis but it does not hurt. Yes, now I am fully vegan. But my relief from arthritis is not alone. Many other people have trouble with dairy provoking arthritis also and studies have show that casein plays heavily in the trouble as it breaches the gut barrier and is deposited in the joints. Once casein is no longer in the blood, the removal of these deposits begins and along with that, cessation of pain. Perhaps the new rug of the former vegan was a gift and who might have given her this gift? Could it have been a bribe to produce videos to try to hurt the growth of veganism? I don't have proof, I am only posing the question. I came across a video hosted by That Vegan Couple in which women were calling eating meat and using dairy was their "choice". This word "choice" has figured prominently in abortion in order to shield people from the guilt of ending their own child's life. There is another option to avoid the feeling of guilt, that is don't do the behavior which makes you feel guilt and exercise self-discipline. What a concept.
I saw her video and I cannot recall her showing her previous results. She just talks about them being too low but she couldn't even give a number. I wonder if she is just making crap up because she is tired of being vegan or just given up.
I just keep seeing excuse after excuse from her with every video she posts to make herself feel better about going back. Its sad really and now she’s misleading her audience with all these so called facts her doctors are telling her.
@Brittany Flowerday I wasn't trying to be compassionate. I'm just telling the truth. People would ignore his looks and presentation style if he had some other appealing traits, skills or expertise, but I don't think he has those.
I had no clue who she was but just by what I have seen she’s clearly reaching for a new audience. I hold little faith in people who don’t back up what they say with facts, like her lab results. In any event, love your channel, Mic. I am a new vegan in my 50’s and have been reaping all the benefits of a vegan diet while feeling like my choices are kinder to both animals and the earth.
My cholesterol has always been 15-20 since I was a teenager even way before I was vegan and not once did my doctors everrrr say I needed to raise it. If anything they always asked how i do it.
This gives an amazing view on the topic! I have bpd, so my hormones were always super high, and I do not know if it has a correlation, but ever since I am vegan, my moodchanges (though still high) are alot less than when I didn't eat plant-based! Maybe a nice topic to explore!
I do want to mention a couple things to Bonny's credit that aren't as bad as I originally thought. Firstly, she did not purchase the wool rug herself, she didn't know there was wool in it, it was not a conscious decision for what that's worth. Secondly, she has pulled back on her statement about eating cholesterol making her healthier in a more recent video.
probably thanks to your videos
Cholesterol is a marker, not a cause of cvd - talking about reverse causality. The diet-heart hypothesis was false, it's been debunked with randomized controlled trials, and the dietary guidelines have been changed, no longer limiting dietary fat and cholesterol. You should know this by now, so you're either ignorant, or you're purposely lying.
@@KarasekUS You're wrong. And whose guidelines are you talking about? Did you check any European or Canadian guideline for that matter?
Only the US guideline is fucked up - and even they do not recommend unlimited fat and cholesterol, don't be a fool.
@@naibaf710 openheart.bmj.com/content/3/2/e000409 - it says that _"RCT [randomized controlled trials] evidence currently available does not support the current dietary fat guidelines"_ and that *reducing blood cholesterol **_"did not result in significant differences in CHD [coronary heart disease] or all-cause mortality._*_ Government dietary fat recommendations were untested in any trial prior to being introduced."_
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
_"High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. _*_Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke._*_ Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings."_
And the current Canadian dietary guidelines are a joke. I know Sick the Vegan made a propaganda video about it saying that's what he actually eats less the egg - but that's why he looks like death on vacation.
@@KarasekUS And here's why you cannot take these studies for a reference as to why fat = safe, carbs = not safe:
www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(17)31216-0/pdf
In fact, the confounding factor here was that poor people = insufficient nutrition, and because carbs are more affordable than fats, this was a false causation claim by the PURE study.
In conclusion, the data collected does not sufficiently link dietary patterns (removing confounding factors) to health outcome. You can trash it now.
Doctor: Your cholesterol is too low.
Vegan: But I feel fine, show no signs of negative health impact or declining, am killing it in the gym and surpassing everyone else's scores off the charts, blood pressure amazing heart rate amazing..
Doctor: You're dying. Eat eggs.
John Mcadam I doubt her dr even said that. Lol
John Mcadam 😂😂
Fucking Potatoes You are probably right about that!
John Mcadam
Doctor: your cholesterol is too high
Carnivore: But i feel better than ever, all blood markers are better, performance in sport is better, skin, mood, libido... all improve
Doctor: you are dying... cut the fat
vegan: I don't have a doctor. nor would I ever listen to their nutrition advice. It's pretty much guaranteed that they know less about nutrition than I do
Happy Healthy Vegan recently posted a related video, I'll repeat what I said there: I've had cholesterol readings of 77, total, in the past (LDL - 29) ... my cardiologist was surprised at this, but NOT displeased or alarmed. My GP had a similar reaction. As someone who had a heart attack 6 years ago (and subsequently went WFPB), I'm very happy to have "abnormal" low cholesterol readings, and the doctors concur. I run long distances regularly, and am in MUCH better health than I was before. No problems. I'd be willing to bet Bonny's cholesterol isn't lower than that (cardiologist said it was the lowest he'd ever seen) ... it's NOT a problem. The issue with very low cholesterol has to do with WHY it's low - if it's the result of underlying disease, THEN there's reason for concern ... concern about the underlying disease.
T's Picks hey I read that comment. Sup
@@miguelangeldomingueztejeda4270 Lol you do not know biology. Cholesterol is not an agent against infection, neither is it a hormone.
While required for good biological function, the circulatory levels of cholesterols need not be high for normal function. Most animals, including humans, have normal circulatory level when on the right diet.
With a plant-based diet, humans have absolutely sufficient and safe levels of cholesterol. Not so on a SAD diet, that's dangerous.
@Fabian Tschopp - Well said. As Mic points out in the video, even LDL levels that are half of my quite low number show no ill effects. And personally, I run half marathons very regularly - if my levels were insufficient I'd expect it to show up there somehow. My docs ain't worried. :)
that sounds pretty scary if you have had heart attack already. Do you get heart palpitations? I think most vegan diets have a lot of sugar in them and sugar definitely makes my heart palpitate to the point when i can't sleep.
Aldes - Not scary at all. I built up to running half marathons over a 5 year period ... little by little, "one step at a time", literally. And eating a whole food plant based diet leads to low cholesterol levels, such that one can become virtually "heart attack proof", as Dr. Esselstyn puts it. WFPB ftw! (And no, no palpitations.)
We also have levels of heart disease that are too low.
You don't want to have very low levels of heart disease. "Everything in moderation", you know? You need to be moderately ill.
@@bgtubber You know most of our cholesterol is produced by our own body (around 80%). It is highly probable that cholesterol have a significant function in our body (other than just be the main structural block for the brain).
@@alejandronorambuena3405 heart disease. Heart disease. Heart disease. Heart disease.
Possibly, considering heart disease is a metabolic problem and not an inherent cholesterol problem. Lowering your LDL to unphysiological levels to prevent plaque formation is not the same thing as preventing heart disease. Heart disease is bioenergetic, this is why people who are "pre-sick" are labeled with metabolic syndrome. It doesn't suddenly become a cholesterol issue after plaque starts forming, it's still a metabolic issue. However most these RUclips health gurus have never studied cellular physiology, so citing cholesterol studies makes them feel educated. So preventing plaque, a symptom, is not the same as preventing the disease. Kind of like saying if I take ibuprofen to prevent a fever, I no longer have the flu, lol.
@@jasonmooreplease120 unphysiological??? Um, I know your ideology allows you to justify eating lots of meat and cheese, but please stop spewing nonsense from you fringe compatriots. Using such words just make you sound uninformed and, well, fringy.
Short answer: nope
Also loving the consistent uploads
Adi same here 😻😻😻
If fewer hens (slaves) per hectare are better, then zero is clearly the best
At this point I’d have more “respect” for a vegan saying ‘guys I just don’t want to be vegan anymore, I’m sick of it’ versus all these people giving long winded medical excuses. Case in point Nikocado Avocado. Just like you said once that switch goes the flood gates open.
That's what I've been saying too! Why not just be honest about not wanting to be vegan anymore?
I 100% agree. I have no respect for these people.
I have no "respect" for omnivours who tear down vegans. A lot of people make the switch when they have too many health problems, not the other way around. I always keep it to myself but as soon as someone who eats differently finds out it's a constant barrage of misinformation and somewhat hateful opinions. Keep it to yourself and ill do the same, capeesh?
Jessica X
I so agree with you... when one is a fraud it is much more difficult to handle. When one owns up to whatever they are, it’s just the truth. Truth is easier to digest than lies. It’s like Charlie Sheen - he’ll tell people outright what he’s up to - women, drugs, whatever, and no one really cares, it’s just him. Tiger Woods on the other hand was a fraud - and fraud was the reason the public had a hay-day with his scandal. I personally can’t stand lack of integrity.
I’ve been waiting for this video! My levels are around 45, and my mom often told me that it’s too low. I was a little worried but deep down I knew it wasn’t something to be concerned about. Thanks for the info, Mic!!
Sasha Chumakova 45?? Wow, good for you! I am so envious!
Sunghee Lee No need to be envious. If you follow a whole food plant based diet, your cholesterol levels will most likely be healthy!
Depends on the genes, too! Whole food plant based is great but your genes can make you have a high Baseline cholesterol
@@sashachumakova Yeah, some people have high cholesterol naturally due to issues passed down through their genes.
Total cholesterol of 45???
Just made a video with my blood test results on a traditional bodybuilding diet Vs my vegan bodybuilding diet. My LDL dropped from 106 to 54!! I can't believe I had high cholesterol working out every day and being 17years old at the time. But I did. Eating cholesterol raises cholesterol!
That's awesome. Congratulations!!!
Andrei Vlad That's true tho. Per calorie way more plants are more nutrient dense than meats. Like. Literally just Google a broccoli, spinach, sweet potatoes. Per calorie, they have WAY more nutrients than chicken, beef, pork, or fish.
Andrei Vlad And its rude to insult someone's accent. Just bc he's not a native speaker doesn't make him weird.
Rafael Pinto Congrats! I experienced the same drop, and I'm way different than you (old, female). Shows what you eat is really important when it comes to cholesterol no matter what your particulars are.🌱
@Keto Aries oh I make a living? I don't monetize my videos, I don't sell any products or coaching, I have a law degree and I'm getting my masters in law. That's cool bro😂
This type of behavior that Bonnie is now expressing is typical of anyone who switches sides in something they were once passionate about. They want to justify and rationalize it so they can feel good about their decisions. Even if they known they're wrong.
She is still better than someone who went straight carnivore. Also eating eggs and meat was the only thing which gave them relief from loosing their health. No one was there for them to give them the right answer that would have given them relief and would have kept them from going nonvegan. And they did try to find a vegan solution. I'm just saying I understand why she would go non vegan. It's easier to stay vegan if your health is alright. For example I'm 172cm tall and 60 kg-s, constantly farting from legumes and bread type things, which I don't even eat very often. My wife on the other hand is struggling to loose weight. She is a hundred kilos. We're eating the same things. We have been vegan for about 1,5 years, mostly whole foods. We hope to get the money together so we can do the tests on Goji man's site and find out what's going on in our bodies, but it's really a question of can you find the person who can give you the answer you need to stay healthy.
Bonnie at this points is just making things up. I never heard of such thing as having too low cholesterol.
@@xtiantoth She also bought a wool carpet and feather filled couch. I'm pretty sure she knows what she's doing.
@@Nour-mx3uu Ok. There really isn't an excuse for that.
Cognitive dissonance.
Last time I was this early Dr Shawn baker didn't have diabetes
Lol😂😂😂
"Dr"?
🤣
"No longer doctor" Shawn Baker
BS 😱
Hey guys, RUclips is asking me if I want to activate memberships. My intuition is to NOT do it because it seems to be very commercialized and favor people that pay over those that don't. Let me know your thoughts and if there are any valid benefits besides money :)
hell no
I'm gonna have to say no.
Yeah I love your videos but I would never pay for them no offense.
What memberships are:
It's basically just patreon, but you instead get stuff like special badges when you comment here, next to your name. It's not "pay to watch my videos".
Don't overreact, y'all.
You chould promote patreon more. I dont mind if you put that at the start of your videos instead.
Mike your editing is video GOALS 😂👽
WHAT'S HER EXCUSE FOR A WOOL RUG? DID HER DOCTOR RECOMMENDED IT FOR VITAMIN D ABSORBTION?! 🤦♂️
OK, this made me laugh, hahah.
😂😂
You mean her naturopath!
you know fake wool it's worse for the environment
Why you don't upload no more bro?
She’s completely misleading her audience. Gosh, she sounds like a super confused person 🤷♀️🤦♀️
I think she just sounds like a person who gave up. Its just sad.
Yes she is turning into a real bad egg
Bingo! It’s doing more damage than just being honest and saying I’m over it and going back to the dark side.
It's more like here doctor is misleading her, causing confusing for her and her audience. Thanks to Mic for using science to set the record straight, I do hope she realizes how she is being misled.
She's not confused at all, she's obviously bought off by the egg industry to promote eggs.
Why are people like her even making such misinformed videos on these subjects :/ The animal abuse aside (promoting eggs, fish, chicken, wool and down in just the last week alone as ethical) why does someone so young and with such a large young following not take it seriously that she is misinforming such a very influential fanbase about very serious potential health issues. Gosh darn.
@@swissladydriver8980 Let's say you have an audience of 300 thousand people. They say "I was having issues, but I had a ton of trans fat and my problems went away!"
What do you think will happen?
Bonny would mislead those some 300 thousand people into thinking that their problems can be solved with having a ton of trans fat too. However, in doing so, she's potentially inflicting her fanbase with very serious health issues.
*NOT* okay. Spreading misinformation like that is SOOO dangerous.
Of course it's wrong.
@@swissladydriver8980 Actually meat naturally contains trans fat!
@@swissladydriver8980 The only natural place trans fats are found is in animal products... It's synthetically found in vegetable oil because of hydrogenation. Hydrogenation makes its behavior similar to animal trans fats.
You know that she's not an expert and to not to take her anecdotal advice, but you're not the 300k viewers she has. Spreading false and misleading information is potentially deadly. People have full right to criticize her for that.
"may be some people who are having the same issues and might want to make the changes that she has and see if it works for them."
Exactly!! This is what makes it dangerous! People are going to misattribute their problems and follow her actions. This is the core of the issue with her spreading misinformation... it's for this very reason.
she has/had potential health issues. some ppl are having trouble producing non essential nutrients due to chronic meat dependence. sounds like carnist rhetoric but Klaper used these words yesterday on PBN.
@@swissladydriver8980 Even small amount of trans fats has been shown to be detrimental to health. Besides, then there's also saturated fats. Saturated fats have also been shown to be detrimental to health. It's just that a small amount of saturated fats is still fine for you.
For trans fats? Why not just cut them out completely? If your goal is less heart disease then just don't have either, right?
"Where's the evidence of that?"
Please watch/rewatch the video. This entire video is about correcting her misinformation. Mic sources it with evidence too.
If she were that concerned she could just make herself a vegan grilled cheese. They're delicious and all sorts of unhealthy. Beer battered nori coated celeriac root freshly fried up on a bun with vegan remoulade... Delicious! And, you guessed it, completely unhealthy. Oh, and no dead chickens. :)
I use my score of 37 LDL to casually eat grilled cheese anytime anyplace. Whenever my mom and I meet she gets mad I eat too much junk food,strange coming from the woman that before I was vegan would feed me only fried shit I hadn't eaten a green vegetable until age 15 lol...
Great video, Mic. I'm a doctor and I have worked with cardiologists when I was a junior. One told me he had very high total cholesterol. But he was like "whatever. I just take statins." He genuinely thought that statins should be in the water supply. This is a guy whose JOB it was to site stents all day into atherosclerotic coronary arteries. So, patients don't have a lot of hope when their doctors are like that.
Too low of fantastic. Coming from a cardiologist that sees the death and destruction from LDL being high.
Your body CREATES cholesterol. There is no reason to eat it. I tried to give her a chance but can’t anymore
Every doctor I have been to has essentially told me I should not be vegan. "At least eat eggs or milk, for nutrients," I've heard. Luckily, I know that medical education does NOT equal nutrition education.
Also, If vegans were a solid percentage of the population, and I had the government sneaking B12 into my food the way they do for folic acid in bread or fluoride in the water supply, I'm sure people and doctors would freak out a lot less about my health. (P.S. Please DO listen to your doctor's recommendations unless you've done your research on the vegan diet.)
And make sure your doctor is vegan and knows what he/she is talking about.
plantbaseddoctors.org
@@ES11777 Hmmm... I didn't even know I had that option, I'll check out the link
SUPER important points on mixing up the cause and effect when it comes to health! Also MORE ALIEN SKITS, MORE ALIEN SKITS 😹👽😹. Vegan space nerds unite! ✊
#whenvegansloveexploringspaceandtime
v gang
Space is fake 🤷🏾♂️🤣
Vegan for life tho
Air is a liquid 🧐
Thanks for responding to her follow up videos. In your first response you were sympathetic but as you said the slack has really run out on her and she continues to flip the switch on what she 'knew' before. I'm glad you included Tofu Goddess' response about the wool rug, which really just shows she's veered straight off into the abyss. Having met her briefly in person (at a vegan restaurant) it's sad to see her promoting increasing one's cholesterol.
Do you really think that judging this harsh helps veganisme anyhow?
@@verenakalins4316 It's not really either way, it's more just highlighting her hypocrisy. She made a video saying she is 100% cruelty free apart from eggs and fish, but then in the next video shows a wool rug.
I agree too many people with bad diets, cholesterol, heart health issues.
I'm a newborn baby! 😂
LOL!
I love your humor sense!
Been binge watching your videos Mic ever since I FINALLY decided to become vegan( just started last November). Nice to see a channel that dicusses vegan in a scientific and logical approach. Can't wait for the next video!
Omg the alien bit made me laugh so hard 😂😂😂
I am constantly surprised by people who know their numbers. I have never been tested for anything in 30 years of being vegan, have always felt great and never felt a need to waver from this way of eating/living.
Many companies require wellness screenings. I get mine every year to qualify for lower insurance premiums.
Are you in the UK Nicola? It isn't that easy to get a full blood test in the UK. unlike America where you have to pay. Only if you're actually ill or showing weird symptoms do they test and even then we don't realise we can have a print out and study it for ourselves. We are happy to let the Dr tell us what's wrong and never question it. I had a full blood test done after 2 years vegan because of Mal de Debarkment symptoms and I found the results fascinating. I was pleased that I knew I could have a printout after watching YT and realising I could. Dr .btw. was really pleased with cholesterol of 3.3 I was 51, he said just keep doing what you're doing.
Glad we are done commenting on Bonnie..!
Bonny Rebecca is missing the boat if she wants to avoid rheumatoid arthritis.
Mohammad Levy big time
Darwinism in effect.
so what was her cholesterol level, exactly?
'low' seems so unspecific
Well she bought a wool rug for 1300 dollars and they're hailed in the medical community for their cholesterol raising benefits
@Samara V Hamilton wait so is it her business?
@Samara V Hamilton I beg your pardon, but it is her business alone if she _doesn't_ discuss it on social media as a means for justifying behavior publicly. Once she started tattling on herself, her viewers were within their rights to wonder about corroboration of this intimate detail that she has broadcast to all and sundry. The stuff that is my business alone I do not talk about on YT, and goes unremarked upon. See how this works now?
her business, aha. that's why she makes a vid about it....
also, cherry picking the information she feeds her viewers should be encouraged?
my guess is her levels are perfectly normal vegan levels and her doctor overreacted.
she probably is too scared to announce her normal levels and tries to play the victim by being unspecific.
probably looked fo an excuse to stop being vegan as well. looking for attention, shes clearly not the brightest (from that small sample size i got in this video)
Vegan 3 years - my doctor said to me regarding my latest blood test "I don't care how low your cholesterol goes - it's not an issue." She is not a plant based or vegan doctor - she is just a sensible doctor.
Keep her!
I have been vegetarian since I was 15 I was overweight high cholesterol diabetes, 16 months ago I went totally plant base and I've lost 75 lb no more diabetes no more high cholesterol lots of energy and feel great I don't know a whole lot about all this science but I know how i feel, vegan for life ❤️, no matter what all these non-vegans are coming out saying I know the truth and how it works and how I feel ❤️
You are so right! ❤✌💚🌱
Congrats!
While I don't have rheumatoid arthritis I DO osteoarthritis throughout my entire body and going vegan has seriously reduced my inflammation and pain. Just sayin.
My mother´s rheumatoid arthritis went away after beeing mostly planrt based; and she is nearly 70.
Anna Pomelo That's wonderful! How long did it take for her to start feeling better? I know someone with RA and would love to pass this along.
@@bludaizee24 It was within the first months. She sticks to it for two years now and still haves sometimes vegetarian foods when she is invated for a cake at her friends. And still feels good. She lowered her blood pressure aswell and takes just a half pill of the lowest dose - just in case.
That's awesome, I'm really happy for her. How wonderful to keep up her quality of life. Thanks for responding. I can't wait to share this with my relatives.!
@@bludaizee24 I am very happy for you, too. I hope your friend will get better, soon.
I have my cholesterol levels posted after 2 years vegan and my cholesterol levels are perfectly healthy.
That's BS I had rheumatoid arthritis and it went away after I went vegan
Awesome video! Sharing it on our community page :)
The short answer is no if you make yourself a curry with coconut milk in it once in a while and it’s damn delicious too. 😜
Works for me. I'm living proof that you can be vegan and have plenty of cholesterol to go around (the arteries).
Betsy Smith Same here Betsy! Vegan since two years and I thrive!
It’s actually so easy to have higher cholesterol levels on a vegan diet, but it means you have to eat more than two apples and a banana a day. 😉
coconut milk doesn't have cholesterol
only animal products contain cholesterol
maybe you were thinking of saturated fat
@@aislinn2468 Our own body produces all the cholesterol we need and to do that it needs fats, especially saturated fats are helping the body to do its intended job. No animals have to be enslaved, confined, raped and killed when they can barely walk from exhaustion and are no longer useful to us (yeah I am talking about 99% of the egg and dairy industry), in order for us to be healthy and thriving. Just a little bit of coconut milk every two weeks or so is enough, while being on a wholefood plantbased diet.
@@avidian888 I'm vegan and I know that we produce our own cholesterol, but thanks for the clarification
Thanks for this Mike. All the Ketonivores around me are screaming this at me.
I like this, "Ketonivores," ha-ha!
It sounded like bullshit since the beginning but I appreciate Mic looking into the studies
what's bullshit
@mike could you please make a video on plant based diet and collagen?
Just eat more vitamin c.
Your body renews skins tissue and collagen when you exercise and or intermittent fast ☺️☺️☺️, get your omega 3 from flaxseed/ chia seeds, ☺️
We can turn on and off cancer genes with animal protein
We can turn on and off cognitive diossonance with fear of deficencies.
--> the next subject of philosophy for ex-vegans
Sounds like the animal agriculture industry paid Rebecca a nice amount of money to change her viewpoint and start making videos about how you need some animal products in your diet. Is that too much conspiracy theory?
tofu goddess exposed bonny
Yup I suspect the same
Satoshi N ... conspiracy?... def think you're in a grey zone there.
you sound crazy
@Anna annanymous Same, she just always seemed fake to me and I was never subscribed to her.
You’re the man!!
You're too! 😊
... and I'm the man, and he's the man as well, so you can point your...
I love when you post mic! Always here as soon as you post😂❤
When vegans don't want to be vegan anymore....I went through that temptation myself "But eggs are good after all, right? and some farm chickens are treated nicely, right?" Honest conclusion: no and no.
Fabio
From an ethical point of view,
no matter how well farmers keep their hens they send them to the slaughter house after 2-3 years of producing eggs and they kill the male chicks as well as the factory farming because useless for well.
From a nutritional point of view, eggs have a lot of cholesterol to offer and not much nutrition that you can get from other foods.
The only way you can get eggs ethically is from someone who has rescued hens from the industry and has them in their backyard until they die.
@@FABIOof119 You are seriously misinformed.
First off, the farmers will kill those animals at a very early age for no other reason that they make money and that they taste good. Second, you don't need those lives to survive. After that, some people need supplements vegans or omnivores.
Most of all, the biggest killer of small wild animals is animal agriculture. (birds, kangaroos, deer, cats, coyotes, wolves, beavers, groundhogs, mice, foxes, dingoes are killed to protect the domestic animals and their feed).
Finally, you can get all nutrients from a plant based diet except B12 (because of intense hygiene) which you may choose to have through fortified foods. B12 comes from a bacteria in the ground, not animal foods.If a vegan diet was not appropriate in all nutrients, we could not have thriving vegan people since birth. We do. I rest my case and yours is dismissed.
@@FABIOof119 yes to every animal its own milk. I am done talking to you. You can't even acknowledge what the American and British Dietician associations are stating.
In the meantime, people are thriving on the vegan diet and will keep healthy and strong.
Bye.
www.greatveganathletes.com
@@FABIOof119 I am not brainwashed vegan. It took me a lot of personal research to get there. And again you are not even able to admit the verdict of trustworthy authorities like the American and British dietary associations. Again I am perfectly healthy after 12 years and very active physically. Wish you the same.
@@FABIOof119 Maybe follow also the UN recommendation to lean toward a vegan diet for the health of the planet. But who cares, right?
I hate it when my family always tells me I'm not getting enough good cholesterol! Like no my levels are perfectly healthy without all those animal products
Your brain, apart from water, is fat and cholesterol. Vegan diet has been shown to cause brain atrophy.
@@KarasekUS humans make their own cholesterol, we don't need to consume it
human beings are frugivores, our natural diet is fruits and leaves. we are in no way designed to consume animal products
additionally we don't need that much fat. our main fuel is carbohydrates
I've never heard anything about brain atrophy as a result of a plant based diet lol citation needed
@@aislinn2468 Sure, here it is described: ruclips.net/video/X2qdyKxU0YU/видео.html - and here's the study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18779510
Your liver may have a hard time keeping up with the demand for cholesterol on a plant based diet, especially when it's busy metabolizing all that fructose and cleaning up products of glucose metabolism. Consuming cholesterol means your liver will have to make a little less of it, which is especially beneficial for older people, increasing their life span.
And I've never heard such a nonsense as humans being frugivores. lol According to what science? Citation needed.
All frugivores or frutarians I've ever seen look like they've been released from Auschwitz. Frutarianism clearly leads to emaciation and thus also brain shrinkage.
We are in no way designed to digest plants - only microbes can digest fiber and we have neither a rumen, nor a cecum, we have a short colon, from which you cannot absorb, and that's why you're b12 deficient. And we're certainly not designed to live on sugar, in fact it's the high carbohydrate consumption that increases aging and causes insulin resistance and all the metabolic diseases, including heart disease.
We make our own. It’s not something that needs supplementation.
That study was done on elderly people and had no mention of how they were eating. Just because you are vegan does not mean you are b12 deficient. Try and find a study on vegans and report back.
Great video that summed up everything perfectly. Yeah right now Bonny Rebecca is just another carnist like billions of other carnists on earth who justify their animal exploitation with one bad reason after another. You are quite right. There is No need to ever bring her up again, but these things needed to be said.
Yeah I'm sick of her shit lmao ready to move on
Mic, thank you for showing us the science behind ideal cholesterol levels. One thing that bothered me about Bonny's "I'm not vegan" video was that she referenced her "elevated inflammatory markers" making her concerned about her potential for rheumatoid arthritis because of her father having the disease and that her omega 6:3 ratios were very out of balance. The out of balance omega 6:3 ratio can cause inflammation (Dr Brooke Goldner speaks of this in relation to healing her lupus as well as many other auto-immune diseases). I saw many of Bonny's videos where she was using lots of runny tahini that she kept in large containers (unrefrigerated - would that have caused it to go rancid since it was ground?), and sesame seeds are higher in omega 6. (And many videos in the past where she was eating out and perhaps eating more omega 6s that way as well). It seems prudent to simply handle the imbalance by taking an omega 3 algae oil supplement and decreasing sources higher in omega 6 to bring her body back into balance and see how that would decrease inflammation as well as looking for foods she might need to eliminate if she had food sensitivities or a leaky gut...basically testing to find out causes of her inflammation. And the plant based docs, like Ornish, Barnard, Fuhrman, Esselystyn, Goldner, all show how their diets help lower inflammation. Dr Goldner has a great visual pathway showing how excess omega 6s from oils and processed foods and arachidonic acid from meat and eggs contribute to inflammation.
I’m so glad you’re making videos debunking a lot of the misinformation going around right now. This is important 👍
I have a funny feeling that Bonny soon will come up with things like : now I'm eating fish for Omega 3, later beef for iron, chicken breast for protein and then the Earth is flat.
Great video Mic! I like to watch science proof from your videos and for entertainment Freelee screaming at the meat eaters to stop animal exploitation. Each one of you are doing fantastic job 👏💪
Ps
Next month I will celebrate 6 years of being vegan ❤️
Great jod as always Mic. I'm Striving to be as Thorough As You Are! Thanks!😎☝
Mics the man 100%🌱💚 bonny Rebecca didn't do it right she failed witch is ashame
meowcules
I totally agree
This is so well put together. Hope Bonny and her followers watch..
My doctor looked at my cholesterol and said I’d live to be 100.
keep up the videos man! your channel will have millions of views!!! these videos will be up for decades and will continue to receive views!!
Love it!!! Another amazing video!! 👍🙌👏✊✌️
I was worry about that until watching your videos because my LDL Cholesterol level is 27, I was like “No way! how can be possible? is this normal or abnormal?”, you helped me dude! I’m happy and healhy without harm, thanks and keep going 💪🏻🌴 lots of loves
Killing it as always! 👏👏👏
Thx for showing your charts for longer than a split second. Especially for your older subs. Love the animation! 🌱
“Organic, open range”
I’d laugh if it wasn’t so sad.
Glad I never watched her channel and now never will.
No one is going to see this because it's 4 years later but Mic you should not have said anything about the 50-60 range (I get that you said there were not many), but a sample size of 2 should have just been omitted entirely.
Mechanism , Charlie Brown ! MEEECHAAAANIIIIIISMMMM !!!
Who's the senior scientist here ? That's right, I'm the one who's here to tell YOU about science !
I am glad you have addressed the various issues that have been brought up by her video. I'm sure many new vegans will find the information very helpful. ..
The RA should actually never be a problem if she remained vegan. Inflammation reduction is key. Instead she eats eggs which are one of THE worst animal products to eat.. it actually causes inflammation...among other things. It’s just really sad she feels the need to even discus her diet. She should change her channel content.
2:36 "in other words, I'm a newborn baby"🤣🤣🤣
I love you mic, you are a gem in the vegan movement
Mic, forever the voice of reason and deep understanding. What would we do without your light?!! The royal WE has rediscovered some truth, and WE hope that ALL of us will hear it and find health and happiness together! That is the end of suffering. Thank you for your guidance!
All of my cholesterol, LDL, and HDL numbers match the low number of the reference range. I’m happy with this. I still cheat by eating junk food. MicTheVegan does seem to be much lower than the reference ranges, but I like oily foods.
"Am I gonna die?" and "In other words, I'm a newborn baby." Cracking me up.
Great points all around, Mic! Plant Based News, has an interview with Dr. Klaper on ex-vegans that is also very informative.
Have you ever looked into levels of apolipoprotein B and vegan diet affects on? I read somewhere that this is a better indicator having a heart attack than high cholesterol. From the article:
The next time you go in for a medical checkup, your doctor will probably make a mistake that could endanger your life, contends cardiologist Allan Sniderman of McGill University in Montreal, Canada. Most physicians order what he considers the wrong test to gauge heart disease risk: a standard cholesterol readout, which may indicate levels of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) or non-high density lipoprotein (non-HDL) cholesterol. What they should request instead, Sniderman argues, is an inexpensive assay for a blood protein known as apolipoprotein B (apoB).
Every time she uses the word "Doctor" just replace it with "egg sponsor" and see the real motive..money
My favorite vegan channel, thank you for all you do and help me with!! I don't know where i'd be without this channel
Ahhhhh!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!! There was just a lot of stuff from Bonnie that I was not jiving with when I continued to watch her videos, and you know what I’m happy I was thinking critically and decided to unsubscribe because she was being very misleading, on top of the fact that she’s in this weird phase of in between, like remarking herself. I just couldn’t keep on with her because she’s clearly still trying to figure stuff out without learning and doing her own research.
Not to mention that she still eats a lot of fibre and she said that the main goal is to reduce fiber intake. Oh boy
very informative and well put together, like always. Thank you so much! The one good thing that came out of all those ex vegans is that the ethical vegans on RUclips got united and become an even stronger voice for the animals.
I've been vegan since November 2017. It's definitely a journey and I learn every day. Thank you for making these videos and helping us understand the science instead of just relying on opinion and emotion. Love your videos!!! Thank you!!!
Worth noting that there are other ways to raise your cholesterol outside eating eggs. No reason to... but based on her goals... raising cholesterol, decreasing fiber, etc. She didn't have to give up the v life to do any of that.
3:59 this is so cheesy but I can't help but laugh out loud lmao
These people aren t vegan man
Sometime ago, at least a decade back, I encountered the idea that cholesterol plays a protective role against disease. I can’t remember the source, though. My mom’s cholesterol spiked “dangerously” a couple years before she died from cancer. She took prescription drugs to lower it....I’ve often wondered if that was a mistake. The body is smart, after all.
Thanks for the head’s up on high dose b-12 causing acne....used to get pimples within 24 hours of using a well known and highly promoted spray supplement. I’m looking for a product that will allow more control over the dose.
Thanks for everything you do.
- vegan for life!
I am a vegan. My LDL is 75 and My HDL is 65. I actually think that's a little elivated but when I take into consideration that I have very low levels of vitamin d from being inside all the time. Now that I am supplementing I believe it will even further lower my cholesterol.
Is it wrong to declare my love for you!? You are fantastic and I thank you so much for all the scientific evidence you provide. You are doing the vegan cause a great deal of good. Xxxx
The scary part is Bonnie is talking about how she thought she new it all, but found out she was wrong, and is now talking like she knows it all just differently. She is talking as though she has some expertise and young people will eat it up.
When I was on dairy and the SAD diet (Standard American Diet) I had terrible arthritis in my hands. After suffering to the point that I could hardly type, had ceased playing the piano, gave up knitting and crochet and my husband swapped out all the doorknobs in the house from standard round knobs to lever-style (easier for me to open), I decided to do an elimination diet to see if the arthritis was from what I was eating. As I had had loads of trouble with dairy as a child, I switched to plant-based milks and gave up all dairy. Within one month, most all the pain was relieved, Inside of 3 months the joints in my hands were free of swelling. I did have one distorted joint, one of my pinkies, which still shows that I had arthritis but it does not hurt. Yes, now I am fully vegan.
But my relief from arthritis is not alone. Many other people have trouble with dairy provoking arthritis also and studies have show that casein plays heavily in the trouble as it breaches the gut barrier and is deposited in the joints. Once casein is no longer in the blood, the removal of these deposits begins and along with that, cessation of pain.
Perhaps the new rug of the former vegan was a gift and who might have given her this gift? Could it have been a bribe to produce videos to try to hurt the growth of veganism? I don't have proof, I am only posing the question.
I came across a video hosted by That Vegan Couple in which women were calling eating meat and using dairy was their "choice". This word "choice" has figured prominently in abortion in order to shield people from the guilt of ending their own child's life. There is another option to avoid the feeling of guilt, that is don't do the behavior which makes you feel guilt and exercise self-discipline. What a concept.
I saw her video and I cannot recall her showing her previous results. She just talks about them being too low but she couldn't even give a number. I wonder if she is just making crap up because she is tired of being vegan or just given up.
Alien was honestly my favorite part. Lol Always appreciate the humor in these vids
Mic, I commented on her video and a fan sent me an article. I messaged you on insta to get ur input to see what you think of it. 😃
I was just doing my own research on this yesterday, crazy coincidence, but I’ve been curious about this myself so it’s cool to see you cover it
I just keep seeing excuse after excuse from her with every video she posts to make herself feel better about going back. Its sad really and now she’s misleading her audience with all these so called facts her doctors are telling her.
Thank you for your response to her claims! 💚
Please stop promoting the little girl. She has enough subscribers.
He wants some of her fame but it will never happen because he isn't very attractive and he has a weird way of speaking.
@@swissladydriver8980 Fame isn't everything. She's a moron.
@Brittany Flowerday I wasn't trying to be compassionate. I'm just telling the truth. People would ignore his looks and presentation style if he had some other appealing traits, skills or expertise, but I don't think he has those.
@@bridawg24 I'm not interested in fame, but most RUclipsrs are and that's fine for them.
“In other words I’m a new born baby” I love it
'Just another day in the American medical system' funny bc it's true and also sad bc it's true 😂😭
I had no clue who she was but just by what I have seen she’s clearly reaching for a new audience. I hold little faith in people who don’t back up what they say with facts, like her lab results. In any event, love your channel, Mic. I am a new vegan in my 50’s and have been reaping all the benefits of a vegan diet while feeling like my choices are kinder to both animals and the earth.
I think Bonny just decided she could make more money on RUclips as an ex-vegan than as a vegan.
Another great video Mic, love it!
"Having [eating] cholesterol is beneficial" sure... If you want a heart attack 🙈
My cholesterol has always been 15-20 since I was a teenager even way before I was vegan and not once did my doctors everrrr say I needed to raise it. If anything they always asked how i do it.
My rheumatoid/autoimmune symptoms are better without animal products containing cholesterol.
This gives an amazing view on the topic! I have bpd, so my hormones were always super high, and I do not know if it has a correlation, but ever since I am vegan, my moodchanges (though still high) are alot less than when I didn't eat plant-based! Maybe a nice topic to explore!